This episode single handedly ruined the show for me
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This episode single handedly ruined the show for me
This episode single handedly ruined the show for me
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Women do a good job of making themselves hateable
Bojack is a good show overall, but when it comes to the episodes that focus on politics it's really clear that the entire writing staff has never interacted with anyone outside of NY/LA. Hardcore pro-gun people in America absolutely love the idea of women being armed.
The direction this episode should have taken is that pro-gun activists have historically become uncomfortable when certain ethnic groups have guns, for example California has strict gun laws thanks in large part to Reagan freaking out about the Black Panthers. But if they did that, then well-off white/asian women who write for the show couldn't feel like victims.
>Hardcore pro-gun people in America absolutely love the idea of women being armed.
Not only that, but many women ARE armed while the episode treats it as a bizarre idea that would turn the world upside down.
Hollywood morons are trapped in their own little bubble.
>the episode treats it as a bizarre idea that would turn the world upside down.
was it not intentional? I get the feeling that Bojack sometimes did criticize how moronic Hollywoodgays were
This.
Gun control has a long history of being used against black people and latinos.
Most cops hate the second amendment because they're scared of armed minorities.
And for a good reason
The problem is that this still makes zero sense because it argues that gun control is oppressive (But also a good thing)
The social commentary on this show was always a little shaky. And I disagree with the conclusion here. Like realistically guns would be commercialized and become pink capitalism. Pink guns would sell for more and there would be female gun activists and crazy gun nuts would ride that wave of feminism to paint themselves as heroes defending women every time a school shooting happens.
American women have more abortion rights than 80% of Europe. Most countries there have stricter term limits.
Always found the argument that America of all places oppressed its women to be insane beyond belief.
>Always found the argument that America of all places oppressed its women to be insane beyond belief.
Remember that these shows are being written by upper-class American women who have never left their own cities, let alone their own country. The equivalent would be if you locked a young man in a room where he's being fed nothing but Andrew Tate videos 24/7 for four years straight, and then you asked him to make a tv show that does social commentary about American society.
but it does oppress women, systematically.
it's not because more places are worse that it will invalidate the current thing youre complaining about
and having one of thousands of human rights given to you wont stop you for being judged forno you are. If that was the case lgbt wouldnt be as oppressed, in your logic
Whatever you say, woman
Im a woman or i will never ever be a woman?
decide already
I like trannies, not women though
>lgbt wouldnt be as oppressed, in your logic
They absolutely aren't in the western world. The gay rights movements can have thousands of people march in parades while naked and twerking.
LGBT memes are a religion in the United States.
homie you're just using filtered internet as an argument
Well well well the puritan strikes back. Hell doesn't exist, neither your fake god.
>homie you're just using filtered internet as an argument
YWNBAW
I won
The Harvey Milk Award yes.
>Puritanism is when you don't like to sacrifice children to moloch
ok buddy, you go ahead and take the dive. i'm certain you'll be very happy when you're dying alone and miserable, with the knowledge that you helped an 90 year old child diddling trillionaire ritualistically consume a fetus so he could increase his life.
only being able to kill your baby up to a certain limit of time is NOT oppression
killing your baby is not a human right
burn in hell
>having one of thousands of human rights given to you
What rights do women not have?
Human rights are subjective.
Different women (and men) will always argue for different rights because rights are based on subjective desire based values of a culture.
Every single right you could have is mutually exclusive and comes at the cost of another right: "The right to bear arms" vs "The right to live in gun free society."
>The right to live in gun free society
Does not exist.
A right doesn't just mean something some butthole wants.
abortion has nothing to do with women its only about if you think a fetus is a person
Real talk: isn't this an issue worth dividing the country over?
Or having a war over?
This seems to me like a big deal and why I don't really think the abortion debate is going to be solved simply.
If a fetus is a person, abortion is murder, and the United States has basically been carrying out child murder on an industrial scale for 60 years. That would be such a monstrous evil that I'm not even sure the country would deserve to continue existing, if that were true.
On the other hand, if a fetus is not a person, then denying a woman the ability to terminate a pregnancy essentially shackles her to the trouble of a life she doesn't want and denies her supposedly essential freedoms.
How do you fix this issue? The divide seems fundamental. How do you solve this issue without either a civil war or the country breaking up? You essentially have millions of people on both sides who have two fundamentally different views on one of the most important issues in all of existence. How do you make those factions coexist? Especially now that Roe has been overturned and there's open jockeying between them across the nation?
just make it legal until a certain point, like 2 months or so, or in extreme cases like children being raped and getting pregnant or feetus that are born with cancer that can pass unto the mother and shit like that.
Did you even read what he said, anon? "Just restrict it to x months" doesn't solve the issue because this isn't some moronic homosexualry about 'le women rights'. Adding a time limit isn't going to change the fact that one side thinks it's murder and one side thinks that doing that is a human right.
there no way you can appease both parties. so just do that.
And how the hell is that supposed to 'fix the issue', moron?
there's no way to fix it dummy. you are never ever going to appease both parties ever. So set something in stone and let both of them cry about it.
And they'll stop complaining about this law becasue what? Because you told them to? Idiot.
Oh, oh right, you mean just ignore them, Because that's how it works right? We should just obey this law that makes no one happy because you said we should, so therefore we should.
your options are
>allow abortion
>don't allow abortion
>allow abortion with limitations
you are never going to make everyone happy with any of them, so pick your poison.
Enjoy.
this whole debate is so easy to resolve
just ask yourself or others these two questions:
1. is it wrong for a pregnant woman to smoke meth?
2. if its wrong, why?
if they answer "no" to #1 then you are not talking to a human being but rather a demon
>1. is it wrong for a pregnant woman to smoke meth?
Yes
>2. if its wrong, why?
Because it supports the meth industry and can lead to a future meth addict or mental person.
>but it does oppress women, systematically.
no it doesnt, not by any definition of "oppress", "women", or "systemically"
>systematically
you would be surprised on how out touch some people can be. post below is a good example, even though he is clearly shitposting
>If that was the case lgbt wouldnt be as oppressed, in your logic
rainbow people being oppressed hasn't being a thing in decades. The last frickin decade has been nothing but companies bending their knees to lgbtq and minorities.
>right wing Black folk using a batshit insane troony who shot a church to demonize everyone from the troon community
>alot of tabboo regarding sexuality, gender and identity
>to this day people will act like LGBT themes are way malicious than it actually is
No i don't think so, anon.
>have an entire month dedicated to your uplift and worship
>the system is against us bros
you're ignorant as frick holy shit
>ignorant af
I'm not the one who thinks biology is a choice.
biology already states so many times that gander is not a pattern nor limited to 1 or 2
You use discord as well.
>biology already states so many times that gander is not a pattern nor limited to 1 or 2
Yes, it does. Every intersex condition is a mutation of the two.
It is a mutation of the two, forming a new one
are you dense enough to not realize you're just arguing agaisn't yourself at this point?
A non-viable mutation, you moronic troony. Not a new gender, just a failed expression of one of the two. There is no third position here.
>non viable mutation
You must be brainless
For stating the truth? That makes no sense.
trannies aren't intersex or whatever lmao they're just horny dudes groomed into chopping their dicks off or chicks who got raped when young and dress up like guys to disguise themselves
What are you smoking there are only two sexes, and all the genetic disorders still can be neatly put into male or female.
>biology already states
The fact that gay men exist or that lesbians exist does not change the fact that a MtF troony lacks a womb and lacks any of the organic parts for reproduction of a real woman.
I'm sorry you made me do this but let's frick this thread up more: tell me what is a woman.
I can't tell the difference between transsexuals and ugly women anymore. Please tell me Im not alone.
You're alone, homosexual
You are an ugly woman/transexual and sadly not alone.
>gander
Honk Honk
HONK HONK HONK HONK HONK
Frick, the geese got out. WHO LEFT THE FRICKING GATE OPEN?!
So pride month just doesn’t exist then?
And don’t give me that “rainbow capitalism” spiel when members of the lgbt community at large do celebrate it and treat it like an important occasion
Release the troonyfesto
I already bet it's encouraging more trannies to ape out, or it doesn't follow their agenda
sure buddy, tell your discord friends you guys need to learn how to shitpost and raid properly.
like left-wingers haven't been using batshit insane incel shooters to demonize the entire right
quads of truth, lucky 7 even
>rainbow people being oppressed hasn't being a thing in decades. The last frickin decade has been nothing but companies bending their knees to lgbtq and minorities.
Gay marriage was illegal in every state until 2004 and only became legal nationally in 2015. You're completely wrong
state-licensed marriage is a scam, what's your point?
Gay marriage did more to set back the gay lifestyle than it helped. We were fine before everyone started making such a big deal about everything.
Politicians actively pushing policies to prevent gay people from getting married is obviously an indication that LGBT people were being oppressed. Your opinions on marriage are irrelevant.
>until 2004
2 decades then
>2015
a little under e decade the, not too far off
Felt like I was losing my mind when people started complaining about 12 week limits for on demand abortions. That's basically what you'd get in most of Europe.
>American women have more abortion rights than 80% of Europe.
Citation fricking needed. Americans don't even get free healthcare.
>free
>Always found the argument that America of all places oppressed its women to be insane beyond belief.
American "oppression" isn't like middle east bad. Its more that red state places strict terms on abortion even if its required. Any problem that is exclusively women only and not breast cancer is pretty much treated as a woman only problem while men items do get financial support and more.
If you want to look how moronic we're willing to go, look at how the U.S. is currently willing to frick over its military just to make a stand on abortion of all issues.
Abortion is not a right, so banning it doesn't oppress women in the first place.
Just think about it: would you prevent
crackhead BPD prostitute and a alcoholic wife-beater father to have a disabled son? Feminist passing globohomosexual idolatry to her daughters? a 13 y.o getting raped and have a kid? Another piece of shit spamming on Cinemaphile?
That's not even a "rights" problem, not everybody should have a kid.
I suspect people who make the "we should murder undesirables" pro-choice argument rarely fully believe it
>disabled
Pretty sure that would be common practice if the israelites weren't afraid of getting eugenic'd out of humanity (the logic is that if we'll start first with the mutants then move to the morons and finally the antisocials like them).
>Feminist passing globohomosexual idolatry to her daughters?
Should be fine. If the children have no mental defects themselves they will realize their mothers are full of shit. No need to kill them just because they were spawned by c**ts.
>a 13 y.o getting raped
I would stop the pregnancy for the same reason I wouldn't let that girl do some other dangerous stunt: there is a chance she can do it but it's more likely that she'll just get hurt badly.
Is this the episode about the dolphin chick singing about abortion while twerking?
That episode really irked me
Different episodes, but out of all the social commentary episodes the I personally the abortion one the least bad.
No, this is the even worse soapbox episode from another season.
The abortion one is also terrible because it fails to exaggerate the pro-abortion thing to the point of absurdity (there are people who DO say abortion is great as much as that) and doesn't even touch the primary arguments against it which just leaves it as masturbation.
What show has had the best take on abortion?
I cannot imagine trying to cover a topic like abortion in a comedy to begin with except using it as an edgy joke. It's not really the medium for serious introspection on the topic.
Big mouth and family guy both had episodes which were about it.
The Simpsons
> "Abortions for some and miniature American flags for others!"
There is no way you can tackle the issue in a way that doesn't upset the other side.
Oh, Rick And Morty actually did a good abortion episode. The first Interdimensional cable episode. Beth learned she shouldn't have aborted Summer because having a family is more important than having a slightly more prestigious job.
For the record I am pro-choice. I just wanted to show examples of being neutral or sort of being pro-life. Because most examples are going to be pro-choice.
Anything with mpreg
Ozzy and Drix?
No one who makes the "guns have more rights than women" argument has the slightest idea about what gun laws are actually in place, it just makes them feel better, yes.
Same. I want women to arm themselves. It might make them less whiney.
I'm pro gun, but I thought this episode was really funny.
Okay.
Good
This episode actually has some basis in reality. Some of the nation's harshest gun laws were made by the Patron Saint of conservatism Ronald Reagan when he was governor of California, because white people were afraid of the Black Panthers open carrying. So America hates black people more than it loves guns.
Yes, but is it a defense for gun control? If anything it should be a condemnation of it.
Don't forget that the NRA fully supported Reagan on that.
Gay marriage was actually about the government forcing religious institutions to obey commands.
The government should have never had a place in marriage to begin with.
Well, Bojack was correct in one respect. Absolutely, without a doubt in my mind, none of this matters in any way.
It’s this and many others. This show try’s to come as attempt at cynicism and critique is ruined by its own bullshit which comes with being an LA writer.
I’ve got ask, is there honestly any female celebrity this show ever dunked on? From what I remember, it was all praise, whacky antics, and maybe mild criticism but still portrayed as sympathetic.
>women arguing about their right to abortion when the practice to avoid pregnancy is easier and continuously sanctioned to be safer by men as well
I was pro-choice before, but women don’t enter a “now or never” situation when dealing with pregnancy, they have birth control before and after the act, before a developing fetus even appears and they’re conscious enough to address it, even if it was rape or incest the measures to prevent it don’t require a primitive measure like abortion and even then very few will object.
They have 20 bailouts and all they have to do is remain attentive so they don’t have to worry about a deadline where their choice to not address it becomes a responsibility.
"pro choice" means women dont have to suffer consequences for their choices
Even if they get what they want it won’t stop them from complaining
It actually isn't the example of the show declining in writing. The first half of the show had some episodes dedicated to political topics but they were sort of self-contained. The real damage was done in the post MeToo era when the creator was deeply affected by Harvey Weinstein casually mentioned that he liked the show. His shame seeped into the writing and it as many people have pointed out, the show twisted itself in a pretzel trying to villanize Bojack more than necessary. It couldn't hide that the show became a vehicle for virtue signaling and Mea Culpas for creating a character like Bojack that people enjoyed to watch. I would have rather had a single post-election cringy Trump episode than the entire show going off the rails.
The fundamental disconnect between urban and rural areas, and especially the urban areas that the entertainment industry is in and everywhere else, are a major cause of the current "culture war".
People who have only ever lived in LA or San Francisco look around and see diversity everywhere, people of all races, all sexualities, and many gender identities. They see old media that has less of these things and actively work to add this stuff so that media better reflects what to them is the real world, fixing a perceived injustice.
On the flip side some random person in a small town in middle America will look around and see a 99% white population, they've never met a gay or transexual person in real life. They see all of these things in modern media and see it as some plot to change the real world to be more "diverse" and "progressive".
Despite the internet too many people are still trapped in cultural bubbles.
>They see all of these things in modern media and see it as some plot to change the real world to be more "diverse" and "progressive".
You used the word plot but you meant conspiracy theory. It is quite literally their mission statement.
You're looking at this through a fundamental misunderstanding of their perspective.
They arent seeing where you live and thinking "oh this place should be more diverse! Let's change it so that it is!"
They are seeing where they live and thinking "media isn't reflecting how diverse the world is, we need to change it so it does!"
>They arent seeing where you live and thinking "oh this place should be more diverse! Let's change it so that it is!"
They actually are thinking that though
>They arent seeing where you live and thinking "oh this place should be more diverse! Let's change it so that it is!"
That's quite literally what is happening. Nice try though.
>actively work to add this stuff so that media better reflects what to them is the real world, fixing a perceived injustice.
>see it as some plot to change the real world to be more "diverse" and "progressive".
that's the same thing