This episode was kinda stupid, how would the alien explain even a simple engineering problem without babbling for hours about things that happened years ago?
This episode was kinda stupid, how would the alien explain even a simple engineering problem without babbling for hours about things that happened yea...
>hurr durr I can't enjoy this unless EVERYTHING makes logical sense
Space travel isn't real, how does the transporter work, why are all aliens human like?
You're questioning the wrong thing homosexual
>Space travel isn't real
Yes it is
>how does the transporter work
They explained it in the show but you haven't watched it so you wouldnt know, debatable that its more akin to a cloner than a teleporter
>why are all aliens human like?
they arent, watch the show. plenty of non humanoid aliens.
>debatable
It’s explicitly and directly stated and shown, multiple times, that it isn’t a cloner.
Rope Dangling. His pronouns changed.
>The drywall slats, at 4" spacing.
So I'm guessing neither of you have seen that episode.
>So I'm guessing neither of you have seen that episode.
jokes are supposed to be funny
you could have cultural plays in which the building of a particular thing is acted out. referenced by act, like chapters in an engineering textbook.
Literally all language is this. We cannot telepathically communicate precise knowledge to one another's minds. Even the idea of something as objective as the length of a centimeter depends on a mutually understood symbolic dictionary over the ideas of space, distance and 2-dimensional measurement before you even get to the idea of the ‘centimeter’. If I tried to explain an atom for you I would have to start with something simple and wrong like, imagine a ball with stuff spinning around it. They just use historical comparisons vs object comparisons.
kys you PewDiePie at the bridge
The aliens used to communicate in a more 'normal' way, while venerating their ancestors/earlier culture by telling stories. They progressed scientifically to a point where all needs were catered for, and their people no longer needed to communicate complex ideas. After that, over a long period of time, they began to use metaphors/references because it was efficient for conveying more simple things, the only things left to convey, and pleasing to their sensibilities. Like a haiku.
So were the Pakleds also a race of gigachads who got stupid and ugly over time because they had no conflict or hardship to overcome?
Nah they're just shit.
>So were the Pakleds also a race of gigachads who got stupid and ugly over time because they had no conflict or hardship to overcome?
They are explicitly said to be a race that didn't get into space on their own and only bungles by through the charity of strangers.
>They are explicitly said to be a race that didn't get into space on their own and only bungles by through the charity of strangers.
That's the Ferengi
Pakleds traded core mining rights for their homeworld to ferengi for warp capable vessels.
The universal translator isn't as universal as the Federation believes. Their language is fine, it's the UT that's fricked up.
This episode is less comfy when you’re an adult and have to deal with ‘No speek Eenglish’ hispanics at work every day. I hate living in North Mexico (South Florida)
There’s no coming together and forming an unlikely friendship when those cretins refuse to learn the language of the country they chose to live in.
>Mike and Walter, by the river (recognition of defeat and quiet resignation)
>Black person, when the anus was tongued
Sander Jennings, at the bowling alley
>wat nou, when the hitler dood
Jeremy Renner, on New Years Day
The pussy.
The ass and butthole. The pee-hole.
>yes...but what does it all MEAN?
>PewDiePie, on the bridge.
日本語
Translates literally into English as "The Word of the Sun's Origin"
I need experience to intuit the connection between the specific "word" and the more general "language" and cultural context to make the connection from "sun's origin" to "place of the rising sun" to "Japan", so that I can understand this refers to the Japanese language and not some creation myth about the sun.
If written language can be difficult to decipher without extensive information and additional context, is it so hard that a spoken language could have the same issue? If the Tamarian language is highly sensitive to subtle differences in the tone or length of syllables that the Universal Translator isn't programmed to deal with, it could simply boil down every sentence to its most rudimentary interpretation (which, since we lack context, sounds like a language of metaphors).
They say: Dumas, when we were not moronic.
Then they speak normal human English for several hours
Tariq, his bussy torn asunder.
Nah, it was good. tvhead dumbasses need some kind of exposure to foreign languages not always having direct translations from english. It's super annoying being able to decipher meaning from chinese or japanese expressions when they translate through google but other people are just dumbasses that can't decipher the meaning and go 150% normie and think its the other guy being 'stupid for saying that' when he says something like 'you are the man who stands at the top of the mountain of arrogance'
star trek was always intended to be a vendue for ideas like this; it's like the twilight zone except they're exploring concepts of foreign civilizations. this is one of the better examples, and yes it does fall apart once you dig into it, which is why the show doesn't do that, they get one episode and they're done. these guys aren't joining the federation.
also it was a fun way to subvert the universal translator and still have them unable to speak to each other because language just isn't that simple that an AI can always 1:1 substitute words and make it work
CIA, his flight plan filed
the beast was their mutual immediate priority
it's pretty clever actually.
even when you have a shared vocabulary, and you can understand the literal content of what someone said, that doesn't fully transmit to you what they actually mean
this episode takes that idea to the extreme.
it's possible their civilization developed space faring technology using a less stupid language which then turned stupid over time as their civilization stagnated
I think it's plausible that these guys are like useless nobility off on foolhardy adventures, while their culture employs an underclass of people who actually have a functional language that keep everything running.
How do toddlers make themselves heard when they want milk or something? I doubt they know any stories about someone begging for food at that age.
Ironically, talking to a toddler is *very much* like talking to a Tamarian. Most exchanges go like this:
>Finish your chicken nuggets.
>TEMBA, HIS ARMS WIDE!
>... Okay, but finish your dinner.
>SHAKA, WHEN THE WALLS FELL.
>...EAT. YOUR. CHICKEN. NUGGETS.
>Darmok and Jalad, at Tanagra!
>Why won't you eat your [expletive swallowed] dinner?
>...
>...Are you going to eat?
>...One time, Bluey and Bingo pretended they were dinosaurs.
How do toddlers do it now? Gestures, body language and intuition by an adult. But I get it those concepts are lost to people with severe autism.
fun fact: 'bear' is a euphamistic term for whatever the original term for whatever we initially called bears such was our fear of them and now no-one remembers
All language is idiomatic
What's a cubit?
He would say "A gap, to equal OP's manhood!!!" to define an inch.
then "Proud they stood, on the march to N'gatha!!" to stipulate the spacing and orientation of the object.
All our imperial measurements are taken from ratios of the human body. Extremely easy to communicate metaphorically. With a little work, the way to build a house, or ark, could be unspooled via a fairly simple storyline that's easy to remember.
The story gets more complex once you need to describe micro-circuitry but then you'd build in scaling concepts, "Goliath, fallen to the stone!!!" Meaning something big made small, with a theme of stone (silicon chip). Then just tell each story sequentially. Most circuit-boards look like little cities, so you use city-metaphors in their construction etc.
Channeling electricity? Use the metaphor of water.
My understanding is that they understood normal language and sentence structure, but just couldn't speak it. Engineers would learn all relevant stories prior to deployment, so you could pass off specific problems to similar events. It would obviously take a long time for them to develop new thoughts and ideas, but once it's established it becomes a shorthand. Very likely what ends up happening in explanation is that they piece together stories and strings rather than reference specific events that mirror exactly.