This film is going to suck, isn't it? It's going to fall for the meme that Napoleon became an abitious emperor because of relationship issues or something, and not actually try to explain the complicated system of Napoleons government and the Napoleonic Code and so on.
Its a shame because I look forward to every Napoleonic Era movie.
>live in over feminized society.
>male virtues like strength, honor, bravery are mocked
>everyone in history had mommy/daddy/height/little penis issues
>God, women are pathetic
Napoleon had no mommy, daddy, height or penis issues at all.
napoleon was before freud, kiddo. those israeli problems didn't exist in his time
You know Napoleon was of average height for his time, right?
Everybody was a manlet back then.
Well yes anon, which is why I posted that post
He was average in a country where most of the population was malnourished peasants. For a member of the nobility, he was below average.
Minor rural nobility.
Lol. He was from one of the better off families in Corsica. He wasn't a malnourished peasant, that's for sure, and comparing him to one is disingenuous. He was a manlet for his peer group, deal with it.
>he wasn't malnorished
you really have no idea what you are talking about do you? he was quite literally malnourished since he spent all he could on his lowly position as artillery lieutenant and was quite literally starving himself during that time.
He joined the artillery at 16. That's pretty well past the late bloomer stage for teens
a man stops growing at about 25, as you said he joined at 16
>a man stops growing at about 25
Is this the cope your parents told you for being the shortest guy in class?
not him but i randomly grew an inch when I was 25ish
bit weird
Are you sure you didn't just practice better posture?
No it's probably even worse
I'm 6.0 flat no its just basic science why are you trying to argue this between the years 16-23 napoleon was malnourished, this can't be argued why are you trying?
>no its just basic science
You mean like the "basic science" that fricking anyone under 25 is le heckin' pedophilia because of "muh brain development"
wat? what the everloving frick are you talking about?
Intellectually outpaced, how sad.
you really are clueless eh? why would you even attempt to engage when you clearly have no idea what you are trying to discuss?
>a man stops growing at about 25
lol. you're mostly done growing by 17, past that is pretty insignificant
it can add another inch or 2, I was 5'10 when I was 18-19, when I measured again in my late 20s I was 6.0, yes those extra few years count
that was after he already stopped growing, you only grow until you're like 21 or 23 tops
Cope. That was after his father died, late into his adolescence. He was shorter than his peers before then and was not malnourished during most of his formative years. He undeniably had better nutrition than the vast majority of France.
>late into his adolescence
so he was malnourished between the years 16-22, the years a man grows taller, whats your argument here again?
That you're a stupid homosexual insisting on a point you know is wrong. Even assuming incorrectly that you don't do most of your growth by 16, which you certainly do, whatever malnourishment he may have suffered is incomparable to that of truly starved peasants who starved on a regular basis for their entire childhood years. You have to be a complete mongoloid to argue against this.
>incomparable
thats not remotely relevant to his physical growth
>uh others had it worse
and? that doesn't change my point in the slightest, wtf is this?
ever great world leader in history was a manlet
>Stalin
>Hitler
>Alexander the Great
>Mussolini
>Churchill
>Hirohito
>Lenin
>Franco
>Gandhi
>Joan of Arc
>Queen Victoria
all manlets, all of them
how can women be manlets
womanlets then, nevermind
>Hitler
>great world leader
come come now, at least Napoleon had a goal other than "living space"
Hitler conquered more land than Napoleon
Napoleons intention was never to conquer.
please enlighten us, what was the intention of the man who waged war all across Europe and Egypt
To spread French values of liberty in a Europe still very much strangled by the tyrannies of the Spanish Inquisition, the Hapsburgs and the Prussians.
Egypt was not Europe so it does not conform to this conversation, but part of it was to continue trade with the lavant and cut off British supply.
>To spread French values
My dude, he appointed his relatives to monarchical positions across Europe while expanding France's direct borders. I'm not saying that his motives were bad for doing so, but trying to claim that he wasn't a conquerer is nonsensical.
Tard.
>My dude, he appointed his relatives to monarchical positions across Europe while expanding France's direct borders.
And how is that different from any other royal family. These were not absolute monarchs by any means. And Napoleonic Spain was considerably freer, more free than Spain had experienced ever in its history at that stage.
Napoleonic Spain also killed a million Spaniards. Napoleon simps are absolutely delusional.
absolute bullshit
Bro the Peninsular War killed upwards of hundreds of thousands of people at least, all due to an act of French betrayal, invading their own ally without provocation.
and that killed a million spaniards did it
Yes I'm sure the Spanish peasants were really feeling the political reforms while French soldiers were burning their villages down. Gallic 'civilization' is always just rape, thievery, and murder.
>And how is that different from any other royal family
That's part of my point. Spreading your dynasty's control of foreign lands was part of the conqueror template. And again, France's direct borders were expanded (ie he annexed lots of land) as part of his conquests.
>And Napoleonic Spain was considerably freer, more free than Spain had experienced ever in its history at that stage.
Again, I'm not saying that what Nappy did was bad. I'm arguing against the idea that Napoleon can be separated from other historical conquerors by virtue of a higher goal. Most of history's conquerors did more than just conquer, but they still fit the bill.
The Spanish loved being liberated so much that they started many many riots and a guerilla war.
this is like debating the troubles
No?
It was a war against a foreign usurper and his government. There was no broad division of the Spanish people.
You guys are like a moronic Diogenes. When someone talks about how a human has 2 legs, you point out a birth defect guy with 2 stumps and go "Well ackshully". Just accept that you've been owned here and your fringe examples are a false equivalence
you are the one whos "well acktually" peasants had it worse, no shit you moron, that doesn't negate anything either of us said you moron
Wasn't me. Wow, you're too moronic to even keep track of a conversation, no wonder you think men grow until they're 35 or whatever
>35
you are pretty desperate to change the narrative aren't you?
Its called "hyperbole." Wow, you really are an angry little man aren't you?
lol moron
yes I just happened to know the name but not that they were engaged, what the frick are you attempting here? obviously I knew that.
Having an affair applied to a married woman fricking another man, not two engaged partners fricking each other, ESL-kun.
I was dumbing it down for dumb fricks like you
Cope, historylet.
cope with what your moronation? its ok I have to cope with it every day on this board, I'm use to it.
>ESL shitskin calling others moronic
LMAO
>Spanish Inquisition meme
And the Hapsburgs ruled empires that were more free than modern democracies
to ensure the survival and place of his family in this world, the other western countries did not accept the bourbon's being removed and constantly were trying to reinstate them by waging war on france
>Napoleon
>Waging war
Most of his European wars were defence against the reactionary cucks and Egypt was his own political power play + creating another front for Britain to waste money on.
now now, i'm the one talking about his early life as an artillery officer, but lets not kid ourselves the peninsular war was his doom and its his fault wellington made the gains he did, so focused on russia he didn't see what was happening in spain until it was too late
Peninsular War was a nothing burger until he decided to leave it to his in-fighting marshals instead of handling them and he had very good reasons for giving Spanish Bourbons the boot.
>Peninsular War was a nothing burger
>until it wasn't and he focused on russia leaving his idiots in charge
hahhaahahahahahhaahahhahahahaha *inhales* hahhaahahahahahhaahahhahahahaha hahhaahahahahahhaahahhahahahaha hahhaahahahahahhaahahhahahahaha
oh damn, um yea that was my exact point
>muh Russia
>illiterate historylet
Holy fricking ESL.
constantly sperging about esls doesn't make you any less wrong, you idiot, no I'm not you moron.
ok ESL
lol just accept your total defeat and move on, fricking idiot
holy ESL
no, read a book some time
>Includes people like Joan D'Arc and Gandhi
>Doesn't think of actual world-changing men of power like Charlemagne or Peter the Great
Or include Mao, who basically mogged all the other tiny chinamen
>xerxes was 8 feet tall
>known as incompetent, naive, cowardly, and a failure
checks out
Napoleon didn't have proper nutrition because
1. His mother couldn't produce milk for him.
2. His family didn't have enough money or servants for lavish foods.
Read a fricking book, morons.
and he spent his years where any normal man would've grown starving himself, are you just ignoring that or what?
Army didn't pay that much and he spent most of his income to support his large family. Read a book, moron.
how does this refute my point at all? again why the frick are you trying to poke holes in what I'm saying when everything you post simply supports what I'm saying?
You're implying he deliberately starved himself to death.
no I'm not, are you literally esl? how are you misunderstanding what I'm saying this badly?
that's literally the point of the post you're responding to, genius
His father Carlo did die when Napoleon was young and before he had accomplished anything of note. His mother was apparently domineering in his childhood and reliant upon her most distinguished son after Carlo's death, during the worst throes of the Revolutionary Terror. Napoleon was perhaps slightly shorter than his aristocratic French officer-school peers when growing up, and was reportedly bullied for that among other things, which could have driven him to excel as he did. His penis reportedly worked fine, although he was not very confident with women until long after he had made his name as a general and emperor. As such for most of his career he was in thrall to his first wife Josephine, a widow six years older than he who exhibited similar domineering qualities to his mother.
His love interest planned all of his greatest victories for him, he just stole the credit.
They will unironically go down this road. These people actually believe that all great men and their deeds were stolen credit from women
Is it true his wife was a bawd with no teeth? Why did he love her so much?
>Her expression is good humoured, but thoughtful, her mouth firmly closed: like many women of the times, before orthodontics and anesthetics, she had problems with her teeth, which were decayed or absent, so that when she spoke she covered her mouth prettily with her hands
You obviously never had your dick sucked by a toothless wench brah
He didn't give a frick about her once he seized power and found out she cheated.
This is the only Napoleon-kino you will ever need
Amen.
Thanks lads, now I have some history kino to watch
i dunno, the commie's podcast has been pretty excellent so far. He was only a commie in one episode and it was easy to skip. I wouldn't have even known otherwise, he doesn't dickride the jacobins.
>This film is going to suck, isn't it?
no. the late Ridley is the best Ridley.
>Prometheus
>House of Gucci
>Exodus
>Alien: Covenant
>The Last Duel
all beyond kino. Napoleon is going to be movie nr 1 in the world, a crown israeliteel in Ridley's career
I couldn't care less who the director is. Presenting Napoleon in this light is dumb.
It's good luck that Gladiator 2 is out of production. And I assume it will just be scrapped since it costs so much money to keep the sets on standby. Scott needs to stop making movies, IMMEDIATELY.
thank god who the frick need a sequel for that who even is the gladiator this time and why? just leave this movie alone hollywood gravediggers
Hit and miss. Covenant sucked and HoC felt like a hate crime.
>Covenant sucked
I think you wanted to say, "Covenant was the best Alien movie since Prometheus"
>House of Gucci
Shit movie and the accents were extremely cringe
>Prometheus
>Alien: Covenant
>kino
all of these films are atrocious and borderline incompetent
Did no one else see the sarcasm?
Everyone...
Everyone around you...
It’s going to have a weird color palette.
Le Orange, Le blue, Le Greenscreen.
Kubrick is rolling in his grave.
as a history gay, I got triggered so fricking bad by this shot I swear to God
why
don't tell me that you think the polished limestone was still on the pyramids back then
The polished limestone at the top of the pyramid of Khafre is still there.
Not all of it.
The Arabs mined pretty much all of it on all of the other pyramids after their invasion for the creation of palaces and mosques hundreds of years before Napoleon was even born.
no, but Napoleon had great respect for ancient Egypt. he took with him 160 scientists, engineers and artists whose task it was to study everything there was to find out about Egypt. and they did eventually decipher the hieroglyphs. also, Napoleon created the Institute of Egypt. he would never ever order his troops to shoot at the pyramids
I think that's supposed to be the British, or maybe even the Ottomans, not the French. Why would they be flying red banners? It's famously believed that redcoats used the Sphinx as target practice.
you can literally see the frogs in the very previous shot, shooting their cannons
the battle at the pyramids was 20 miles from the actual pyramids
Uh-oh
that's Alexandre Dumas, the famous French African writer
>that's Alexandre Dumas, the famous French African writer
Oh, ok, I'll give it a slide, just for him, because it's clearly him, but that had better be it
he was way, way less dark skinned, he was métisse, not full on black, his skin was pretty fair
Dumas wasn’t born yet in 1795 you absolute charlatan
oy vey I've been found out shut it down
He wasn't black OR born at the time.
No it was his father.
t. Reading a 800 page bio of Napoleon rn
Say Vive L'Empereur right now or else you lick tyrant feet.
>Russian winters are......cold????
Napoleon managed to actually reach Moscow. He was too deep into the advance to prepare for winter. Ironically this was his biggest mistake. He had beaten the old European powers and was establishing a new European order that followed the libertine ideals of France. Of course once the Grande Armee had been pummeled by the Russian winter and Russian counter offensive the Austrians and Prussians, who had been silenced after the Battle of Austerlitz stabbed the French in the back and forced them all the way back to France.
Why would anyone invade Russia? Is Russia the final boss for autists?
Britain.
Britain was the final boss of France. When Napoleon beat most of the Coalition in the Battle of Austerlitz, almost all of Europe was under the influence of the Napoleonic Code of liberty and secularism. Napoleon wanted Britain to surrender peacefully but he knew that invasion was probably inevitable so he tried to get them to relent through blockade. All of Europe blockaded against Britain. English smugglers who tried to get supplies were attacked by the French and British navies. There was only one country supplying Britain, and that was Russia.
Yeah...but to do a whole ass invasion because they're sending supplies? That's moronic. You may as well just invade Britain.
>invade a country with the biggest navy
Here's the thing. The Russians never actually fought Napoleon. They knew they'd lose. So they just kept retreating, and retreating into the vast interior where it got colder and colder. The Russians burnt down Moscow and Napoleon simply was not able to continue marching onward so he retreated. It was nothing like the way the Germans did it.
Russians always did this when someone attacked them on their territory, always
Not in WW2. Hitler was just overly cautious and slowed down his advances to much. Not to mention how shittily he did the preparations for Kursk.
Germany had already lost by Kursk, but yes it was moronic letting the soviets build layered defences in the salient then grinding all your armoured divisions against these defences. Ironically like Russia is doing to Ukraine at the moment & like Ukraine did to Russia around bakmut. Advancing into layered defences without complete overwhelming firepower is death.
I'm going to add onto this, the solution is drones. Not a few like is being used now, but using drones like they use artillery shells. Throwing thousands or tens of thousands drones per day at the lines, drains all the manpower & destroys their back line artillery then you can advance through minefields (slowly).
>The Russians never actually fought Napoleon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Borodino
He wanted to but the French navy got stomped so hard at Trafalgar that invading Britian directly was no longer a possibility and he only had economic means to try to break the British. I agree though that it was still moronic to invade over one nation not following his Continental System.
napoleon lost the war at trafalgar. britain has the whole world to draw from, you cannot blockade britain, its france that was blockaded and cutoff from its colonies. whether he invades russia or not doesn't matter, britain has the luxury of waiting and safely poking france and waiting for its opportunity, it just came earlier than expected
>silenced after austerlitz
Hmmm
Americans don't understand History because their civilisation is so young. Napoleon is perhaps one of the last legendary human leaders.
You'd think Americans wouldn't fall for the Napoleon = Tyrant meme considering they were friendly nations in the 1810s.
Napoleon gave America Louisiana. Ironically the Americans weren't very good friends with the Revolutionary French. They saw them as too radical, and they did not like the idea of giving them the money they owed to them for their help in the Revolutionary War. So despite being a revolutionary republican nation they didn't give a frick about being comrades in the struggle of liberatine Europe from its old systems
If Napoleon won we'd have flying cars unironically. And politics would be much more intelligent. And WW1 and WW2 would never have happened.
I am so sick of this hairlip gay riding off his dead brothers street cred.
I've always, always wanted to make a film about the Napoleonic Wars. Maybe the Penninsular War or perhaps the Battle of Leipzig. Not about Napoleon per-se but maybe of one of the many fascinating regiments that fought in the French Empire. Like the Poles or the Irish. Other than Waterloo and Napoleon himself, and maybe the odd movie that brushes on some battles for 10 minutes, there really isn't that many films about it.
Leipzig would be way better than peninsula. We have far, far too few kinos about the major battles of Napoleon’s career. It’s almost criminal.
>nobody has made a scene of the french soldier fricking up the fuse for blow up the bridge
>moron blows it too early turning a terrible day into an absolute tragedy
fuuug
Calm down. The relationship is obviously just shit to keep the girlfriends interested while us guys enjoy Boats and Regiments
>hate being associated with francophilia
>the more I learn about france the more I can't help it
>napoleon lost because.. le russian winters are.. le cold
>even though most of the invasion force died from starvation and disease before the winter even began
because of the long march
the winter was just the final blow
Napoleon overstayed in Russia believing the Tsar would surrender. The Tsar never surrendered though and Napoleon's army was doomed. You can more clearly blame Napoleon for that failure rather than a random disease that decimated his army prior to the winter (something you don't really have control over).
The other thing is that it was the winter that killed off a lot of his superior veterans.
Unless the British are depicted as villains, then this movie is garbage. Napoleon is blamed for the constant wars, but it was the British who kept funding everyone to start uprisings against Napoleon.
Everyone cheers on the Brits because of their stubboness against Napoleon. But in retrospective they were probably the biggest obstacle towards positive freedom and change in Europe.
Boney lost. But he changed Europe forever it probably didn't matter that he did, 30 years later there would be revolutions in Europe inspired by the French Revolution and Napoleon in France, Germany, Italy, what would become Belgium and England. The Napoleon III came to the throne. All while Napoleon was still alive.
>All while Napoleon was still alive
Almost every other post ITT has straight up lies them. Wtf is going on?
Sure, he shook things up which ended up changing Europe for the better, but it doesn't mean he himself was good. It's like saying the Black Death was "good" because of how it contributed to ending feudalism by driving up peasant labor value
I don't remember the black death giving people any constitutional liberties.
I don't remember you being such a mouthy homosexual the last time I visited your mother
>a Spielberg joint
>about Napoleon
No, mang. It will be certified kino.
Waterloo will forever be the greatest and worst Napoleonic movie. Because dear fricking god, the Kubrick Napoleon movie would have been amazing, and I'm sure Kubrick was more understanding of Napoleon than others.
does ridley scott actually do the directing? how much input and control can he really have at 85 years old? his fire must have long been out by now
>low energy brooding Napoleon for any reason other than gastric distress
At least it will look good, given its Ridley.
>Napoleon was routinely bullied by his peers for his accent, birthplace, short stature, mannerisms, and inability to speak French quickly. He became reserved and melancholy, applying himself to reading.
FRICKING BULLIES I SWEAR TO GOD
Wow, he's just like me except I was never bullied and I only read Cinemaphile posts
Napoleon would be a chud today
He had integrity and the ability to self-critisize. He is not literally you.
You're a grown man who lives with his mom.
i'm surprised he seems to have left out désirée
>désirée
who? a french prostitute, I guess
Bernardine Eugénie Désirée Clary, Queen of norway and sweden, famously had a massive affair with Napoleon before he dumped her for Josephine, largely seen as a bad move but eh, it worked out...oh wait
tldr: yes a french prostitute
>affair
She was his finance, dumbass.
After The Last Duel I don't trust Ridley Scott no more, he is clearly more interested in pushing a feminist agenda than telling a good story.
that story is the most famous trial of a rapist pretty much ever, I don't see how it could've been done differently
cast him
>The status quo was using "manlet" as a cope 300 years ago
LA VICTOIRE EN CHANTANT
NOUS OUVRE LA BARRIERE
LA LIBERTE GUIDE NOS PAS
>cares about Napoleon
>hasn't read Braudel
idiot
He was a masonic proto globalist and his work started the hellish global landacape israelites are doing right now
I wonder how it'll handle the justification for Napoelon's coup. I hope they show how much of a clusterfrick Revolutionary France was by that point (war in the Vendee, constant foreign invasions, general terror), but I expect that they'll only make a passing mention to instability while his women whispers advice in his ear.
I find Napoleon's relationship with the French israelites really funny. They went from hailing him as a savior after he freed them from the ghettos to bemoaning him once he forced them out of finance through assimilation programs.
I chuckle at people who call this a genocide.
Despite all the fricked up things the Jacobins did to priests and people who wore underwear, an armed revolt was still an armed revolt.
Well genocide is meme-word, but its easy to have sympathies with a population that was rural, catholic and conservative and had to respond to a usurpers that was liberal city slickers that were atheists and had killed the fricking king. Then they have the balls to lament the guillotine killing their own in Paris, while the death toll in the Vendee was far worse
It's going to have some semblance of Black person worship, yes.
Sorry, Alsace Lorraine is French and always will be French.
here's that extraordinarily successful 20 y/o general i was telling you about
there it is
Well they had to include women somehow, you know they had to. There's simply no way not to in 2023. And Napoleon's life being a story of great men doing great things and women gossiping, they had to find a way to make women more important.
this book is a great well sourced read for learning about the man himself
Just read primary sources like Caulaincourt or Marbot, they are the only ones who can really tell you about Napoleon now
hard to learn about his private life just from his generals
do you guys think Napoleon III was any better
I mean he fricked up in the Franco Prussian war with horrific consequences but at that point he was old and hadn't the stomach for war
It'll be just as good as Gladiator.
>honhonhon I haveu taken your capitale, you willeu surrendeur immédiatement
Why didn't Napoleon look at a map?
>ginormous inhospitable wasteland
>unlimited manpower
>worthless land
>cold as frick
I honestly don't get why he invaded Russia, he should have focused completely on the fight against Britain
that mistake was made again and again by many
he committed one of the two classic blunders the most famous of which is never start a land war in asia
He could never confront Britain head-on (and vice versa). So his only other option was getting bogged in a perfidious anglo-backed Spanish guerilla war which was already going badly.
F
He was the greatest chud of all time.
>explain the complicated system of Napoleons government and the Napoleonic Code
Sounds like a shitty movie, good thing Ridley Scott is directing and not you.