It's explained in the books. Olympus mons was settled by people from china, texas and india. The whole thing resulted in a blend of cultures with southern accents. Alex Kamal is my favorite character.
The red aliens are the ones who killed the protomolecule aliens billions of years ago. They REALLY hate when anyone uses the ring space since it travels through their reality and hurts them. They attack anything that's above a certain mass. So when Marco's ships were going through the gate, Holden's forces sent another ship through and it push it over the limit causing the aliens to eat his ships.
its not well explained in the show. there is a limit placed on the ring systems energy use. whenever ships go through a ring it is using some of that energy. when the ring system goes beyond that energy level any ship going through the rings goes "dutchman" and it disappears. it disappears into a different type of space that is inhabited by the aliens who killes off the protomolecule crestors. those aliens basically eat every ship that goes dutchman
it gets even worse in the books. the protomolecule killers start making entire star systems black out. theyre trying to figure out how to wipe out all the humans
>big bad thing wants to destroy everything
how original!
5 months ago
Anonymous
they want to wipe humans out because the aliens are trying to protect their own universe from the damage the ring system is doing to it. thats why they killed off the protomolecule creators
5 months ago
Anonymous
That's not what it is at all, idiot. The humans found the protomolecule tech and started using it again. The 'bad' aliens wouldn't care about them if they hadn't.
>big bad thing wants to destroy everything
how original!
The protomolecule ring works by siphoning off energy from an alternate universe. The spooky red aliens can't interact with us directly but they can alter our laws of physics and observe whether things keep traveling through the ring gates afterward. It's self defense.
its not well explained in the show. there is a limit placed on the ring systems energy use. whenever ships go through a ring it is using some of that energy. when the ring system goes beyond that energy level any ship going through the rings goes "dutchman" and it disappears. it disappears into a different type of space that is inhabited by the aliens who killes off the protomolecule crestors. those aliens basically eat every ship that goes dutchman
I feel like it'd be hard to cast. They need someone that looks belterish, 'handsome', someone with charisma that makes girls just drool over him, and can seemingly always convince groups of people to follow him. And the audience isn't supposed to like him either. How pissed would they be if the audience sided with Marco and he was a fan favorite, kek
>How pissed would they be if the audience sided with Marco and he was a fan favorite, kek
Well, I'm sure they would be pissed. But is a character really charismatic if some portion of the audience doesn't take their side?
The key to a good villain is actually being compelling. Having respectable motivations. Which, Marco as written could fit the bill. But I think he casting was poor.
the point of marco is he is completely right in everything he's saying. but the viewer knows his plan can't work. that belter food is still completely dependent upon earth exports. that earth doesn't need to go to war with the belt, earth can just sit back and starve the belt out.
The Belt had Earth over a barrel at that point though. They had control of the ring, Earth's fleets were fricked, Earth was fricked up, Marco had a fleet of martian ships, he could dictate to Earth what the deal would be and they'd be his b***hes
the fleets were held down by marco's rock throwing, not fricked up. earth still had more ships.
of course the belters were being propped up by early laconia, to keep earth distracted. another bit of information the viewer has, but the characters don't.
>The Belt had Earth over a barrel at that point
If by that you mean they had suppressed the UNs ability to force project into the belt, i agree. But it was always going to be a pyrrhic victory. Because with earth in ruins and Ganymede not fully rebuilt how many belters would starve? A lot. Speculatively I think a 1/3rd population haircut isn't put of the question. Marco had a grandiose plan that was selfish because it was always going to cost millions of belter lives. He didn't care about the belt. He wanted to found his own new world through the ring and was just playing the belt for fools.
earth was never going make the belt a paradise, would always see the entire solar system and everyone in it as its property, to do with as it pleases, unless said people fight back, hard.
the belt has more resources than the whole of earth, spread out in a pretty string of pearls configuration. wise exploitation of these resources would mean limitless food, air, and water, all in microgravity.
5 months ago
Anonymous
More mineral resources. Still nothing to support the amount of organics they need for human life, the same organics they were dependent on Earth for. At least according to everyone in the books, including Nico Sanjrani (Marco's chief economist).
5 months ago
Anonymous
you know you're replying to
the point of marco is he is completely right in everything he's saying. but the viewer knows his plan can't work. that belter food is still completely dependent upon earth exports. that earth doesn't need to go to war with the belt, earth can just sit back and starve the belt out.
right?
5 months ago
Anonymous
Non-sequitur, the post I was replying to:
the belt has more resources than the whole of earth, spread out in a pretty string of pearls configuration. wise exploitation of these resources would mean limitless food, air, and water, all in microgravity.
is demonstrably false.
And Marco is proven not to be right.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>i'm dumb
okay, I'll spell it out. the population of the belt is not sustainable without earth exports because earth expanded the population of the belt as quickly as possible to maintain quarterly profit margins, for short term gains. the belt , as it was before marco, was completely at the mercy of earth, and earth had no mercy.
marco then punishes the earth for this lack of generational thinking with the type of generational thinking the earth should've been engaging in from the start.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>i'm dumb
I gathered you were, but I'm quoting the book at you. The Belt cannot survive without Earth's organics. No matter what. The Belt is at the mercy of human evolution, as Nico Sanjrani points out to Michio Pa, not the people of Earth.
Marco wasn't right about anything, he just murdered a bunch of innocent people because he's a loony and then loses.
5 months ago
Anonymous
this, starving the people of the belt out doesn't punish anyone but the belt
5 months ago
Anonymous
if the choice is between starving and suffering over a long period of time and breaking shit and dying, people tend to choose the latter, much to the upset of those willing to just sit and starve. functionally though, for those willing to starve, nothing has really changed.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Explains why the Free Navy lost.
5 months ago
Anonymous
belt wasn't starving until inaros sperged out and ruined the only planet humans metabolisms are evolved to work with
see [...].
why? it's a non-sequitur. my points stand.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>belt wasn't starving
... then you didn't pay attention to the entirety of the show... the belt was starving, gasping, and dying of thirst, and begging for every drop, puff of air, and morsel, from the inners, on top of being killed for striking.
expecting this to not result in a revolution, even one that wouldn't work, is just stupid.
5 months ago
Anonymous
More Belter BS. No wonder Inaros was a puppet and lost.
Inaros staged his attack for different reasons (at least in the book). But then you don't remember Nico Sanjrani's points so I'm guessing you didn't read them.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>you don't remember Nico Sanjrani's points
I literally said them at
the point of marco is he is completely right in everything he's saying. but the viewer knows his plan can't work. that belter food is still completely dependent upon earth exports. that earth doesn't need to go to war with the belt, earth can just sit back and starve the belt out.
. see also
the fleets were held down by marco's rock throwing, not fricked up. earth still had more ships.
of course the belters were being propped up by early laconia, to keep earth distracted. another bit of information the viewer has, but the characters don't.
seriously man, what's wrong with you? autism?
5 months ago
Anonymous
You didn't say them, because you claimed he was right when the book outright says he wasn't. Shit, you even fricked up by saying it was about starving that wasn't happening, instead of Marco's stated reason from the books. Try again.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>his plan can't work. that belter food is still completely dependent upon earth exports.
are you just not reading past the first ten words or something?
5 months ago
Anonymous
I didn't get this in the show. Cause he said that Ganymede could produce all the food they need (after a few early light food years). Meanwhile it has been shown that planet literally is so vulnerable to attack that it literally has glass mirrors in orbit.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>he said that Ganymede could produce all the food they need
and, earlier, you have prax talking about how systems like ganymede aren't sustainable.
5 months ago
Anonymous
I don't recall him saying it wasn't sustainable, just that it was a complex system that needed proper care.
5 months ago
Anonymous
prax basically says every non-earth system is unsustainable because they're all eternally dependent on earth
5 months ago
Anonymous
"proper care" meaning imports from earth.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah I didn't get that part of it. I don't see why shipping soil from Earth is even a thing. There has to be a way of making viable soil and anything without Earth imports.
Like let's say we establish a Mars colony. You aren't going to import tomatoes, because they can be grown via hydroponics No soil needed. You are going to import CPU's because they are small and it is not easy to build the necessary fabs and support infrastructure.
5 months ago
Anonymous
sovl
sovlless
5 months ago
Anonymous
can't grow tomatoes in martian soil
Bring some seeds with you
plants developed to conditions on earth won't just grow on alien planets, let alone develop property or reproduce
5 months ago
Anonymous
The Haber Bosch process does not rely on any Earth-based organics.
5 months ago
Anonymous
It also doesn't apply to agriculture on alien worlds.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Why do fertilizers not work on Earth plants if they're grown on other planets?
5 months ago
Anonymous
>can't grow tomatoes in martian soil
Disregarding the whole The Martian is bullshit because potatoes can't be grown in the high perchlorate soil of Mars. Which I think is what you are implying. I don't need soil. We would use hydroponics.
5 months ago
Anonymous
soil depletion, on earth, is avoidable by letting fields go fallow for a season. to let the entire biosphere of the area live, shit, and die on the land to replenish nutrients. this means hundreds, if not thousands of species contributing to the nutrient content of the soil.
Since none of that stuff is in space, there's no (cheap/easy) way to replenish soil nutrients. The cheapest/easiest way is just to ship soil out into space.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>soil nutrients
What do you even mean by this? Are you talking hydroponics solutions or actual soil?
5 months ago
Anonymous
bacteria, fungi, single-celled organisms, amoeba, nematodes, all the chemicals they produce and all the toxins they clean.
there's no simple way to describe how an ecosystem functions, much less create a new one.
5 months ago
Anonymous
We are talking food sources not terraforming.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Then we're talking about unsustainable food sources, dependent upon earth.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Which is easy to solve with todays tech. To say nothing of hundreds of years in the future.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Which is easy to solve with todays tech.
on earth.
This is what is in a hydroponics nutrient solution. I fail to understand why you need Earth for any of this. They can be found on any planet. So convince me otherwise.
5 months ago
Anonymous
you should read more into hydroponics, paying special attention to how its still just theory and has yet to really generate any results.
5 months ago
Anonymous
you sound simple
I didn't realize people were just trolling. Sorry, I'll leave.
5 months ago
Anonymous
how much exclusively hydroponically grown food have you eaten in your life?
the answer is zero
5 months ago
Anonymous
I've smoked a good amount of it
5 months ago
Anonymous
No, sorry, you haven't. even "hydroponically grown" weed is still dependent upon soil.
5 months ago
Anonymous
chill, man
5 months ago
Anonymous
I grow microgreens and small cherry style tomatoes at home for salads. I mean this is common if you look on YouTube.
5 months ago
Anonymous
you sound simple
5 months ago
Anonymous
Did you just not read the books or something?
5 months ago
Anonymous
do the books imply ganymede is sustainable?
5 months ago
Anonymous
The books point out Marco is wrong.
5 months ago
Anonymous
The show does too.
5 months ago
Anonymous
The show does too.
frick... i guess marco wasn't right
5 months ago
Anonymous
He was right in the sense the inners were never going to loosen their grip.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Got it backwards, the Inners were going to loosen their grip... completely. That's why he rebelled.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>he rebelled because he was about to get what he wanted
... anon this pretty amazing stuff you're posting. you're going to have to help me out here.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>what he wanted
lol read Babylon's Ashes, anon
5 months ago
Anonymous
I accept your concession. You've already established that book marco and show marco are different, which means you're arguing points that don't exist in the show.
5 months ago
Anonymous
If you didn't read the books why were you trying to debate them?
If you don't know why Marco did what he did, you accept nothing he said was right. And so, I accept your concession.
Reply to my post if you concede. And come back when you've read Babylon's Ashes lol. Inaro was acting against something bigger than starvation, top fricking kek.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Show marco directly states why he did what he did, and he was right to do what he did. If that's at odds with the books I have no reason to care.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Then why debate the books? He even states the reason in the show anyway, and it's not starvation.
What a bizarre "debate". Appreciate the concession tho.
5 months ago
Anonymous
I never debated the books or talked about them. some bookgay just started autism'ing at me over marco being more wrong in the books.
5 months ago
Anonymous
When someone quotes the book (and show) at you and you're unfamiliar with it, just say so instead of making a feeble attempt at an argument. Watching you lose was cringey.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Okay. and you don't talk about the books if no one mentions them. Deal?
the point of marco is he is completely right in everything he's saying. but the viewer knows his plan can't work. that belter food is still completely dependent upon earth exports. that earth doesn't need to go to war with the belt, earth can just sit back and starve the belt out.
is entirely about the show. it wasn't even clear I was being autism'd at by a bookgay until a dozen replies.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Already pointed out Marco isn't right about what he says in the show either.
You have some weird autistic twitch where you keep repeating yourself like you think that'll make you correct. It doesn't.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Marco isn't right about what he says in the show either.
then you watched a different show than everyone else.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Anon, you don't speak for "everyone else". If you think you do, your autism is acting up again.
5 months ago
Anonymous
autism-bro, you're implying the inners in the show weren't >starving >gasping >dying of thirst
all to serve inner profit. Then a ring appears, and suddenly the inners should be allowed to claim it all for their own, do the same things?
marco was being used by the laconians to keep earth pinned down, but its not like earth didn't deserve it.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>BILLIONS MUST DIE
now THIS is autism
you still don't speak for everyone
Anon, you don't speak for "everyone else". If you think you do, your autism is acting up again.
quote Inaros, if you think that will help you
5 months ago
Anonymous
billions who are given more to do nothing than belters get for blood, sweat, and tears, yeah. another thing marco was right about.
5 months ago
Anonymous
He was right in the sense the inners were never going to loosen their grip.
The issue is who cares about the Sol system. Just leave. You got a thousand systems for the belters to go to. Just frick off. The entire asteroid plan was just dumb that anyone could see would just end in war and belter suffering.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>You got a thousand systems for the belters to go to. Just frick off.
Not so fast, skinny. Those planets are the rightful property of Earth corporations.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>The issue is who cares about the Sol system. Just leave. You got a thousand systems for the belters to go to. Just frick off.
But you can't.
>Sanjrani relaxed and pulled up a diagram from the desk's display. A complex series of curves laid over x and y axes. "We made assumptions when we started this," he said. "We made plans. Good ones, I think. But we didn't follow them." "Dui," Michio said. "First thing we did," he said "was destroy the biggest source of wealth and complex organics in the system. The only supply of complex organics that work with our metabolisms. The worlds on the other side of the ring? Different genetic code. Different chemistries, Not something we can import and eat."
Literally all of them are dependent on Earth. It's one aspect of hard science they stuck with. You can't just go to a different planet think you're in Kansas.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Bring some seeds with you
5 months ago
Anonymous
>The only supply of complex organics that work with our metabolisms. The worlds on the other side of the ring? Different genetic code. Different chemistries, Not something we can import and eat."
That is a hard argument to buy. Belters can easily make vats of yeast and other materials. Sure they would need samples from Earth, like seeds. But once you grow the yeast vats, you don't need Earth.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Not a hard argument from the top expert on the subject in the Belt. Belters can make vats, but they still depend on Earth for virtually everything, and always will.
>“You don’t,” he said. Tears sheeted across his eyes, clung to his skin. “No recycling process is perfect. Everything degrades."
5 months ago
Anonymous
>“No recycling process is perfect. Everything degrades."
That doesn't mean you need Earth. It means you need raw chemicals, water, etc. Earth is and will only ever be valuable for its high tech exports. Not common foodstuff.
5 months ago
Anonymous
It does in the setting and it does in reality. Can't answer for you skewed interpretation of agriculture in non-Earth environments.
Why do fertilizers not work on Earth plants if they're grown on other planets?
Why would they? Fertilizers developed for the growth of organisms that developed for Earth. Once on an alien world there are myriad factors to account for on the development of the plant and what can help it.
Hell, they talk about this in the show with Prax. Even with genetic engineering they're still dependent on organics from Earth.
5 months ago
Anonymous
... this is b8, isn't it? reads like the gaunt belter from season 1.
5 months ago
Anonymous
It's like they didn't pay attention during any scene with belters. That's like all they ever talked about, how inners would just turn off their air and water whenever they wanted if the belters weren't doing exactly as told. It's why there was such an uproar and hoopla about the Canterbury ice hauler since they didn't believe it wasn't Earth who destroyed it specifically to frick with belters.
5 months ago
Anonymous
you're just repeating what I said at
the point of marco is he is completely right in everything he's saying. but the viewer knows his plan can't work. that belter food is still completely dependent upon earth exports. that earth doesn't need to go to war with the belt, earth can just sit back and starve the belt out.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Saying
>i'm dumb
I gathered you were, but I'm quoting the book at you. The Belt cannot survive without Earth's organics. No matter what. The Belt is at the mercy of human evolution, as Nico Sanjrani points out to Michio Pa, not the people of Earth.
Marco wasn't right about anything, he just murdered a bunch of innocent people because he's a loony and then loses.
>Marco wasn't right about anything
doesn't sound a lot like
the point of marco is he is completely right in everything he's saying. but the viewer knows his plan can't work. that belter food is still completely dependent upon earth exports. that earth doesn't need to go to war with the belt, earth can just sit back and starve the belt out.
>the point of marco is he is completely right in everything he's saying
because he wasn't. he was an idiot, he was wrong, his own chief economist called him out on his bullshit, and he lost.
5 months ago
Anonymous
see
if the choice is between starving and suffering over a long period of time and breaking shit and dying, people tend to choose the latter, much to the upset of those willing to just sit and starve. functionally though, for those willing to starve, nothing has really changed.
par for the course, the entire series has about 5 competent actors total (amos, miller, dawes, sadavir, kenzo and throw lopez in there too even though it was a bit role. alex, ashur, and cortazar are ok). it's pretty embarassing how shitty the writing and acting is for such a big budget series
Is there anything I can do to remedy this? I wanted to start watching The Expanse as I haven't seen a sci-fi series for awhile, but the first episode for me was a massive case of "whispers and explosions", where I couldn't hear shit of dialogue but the background music and effects volume was through the roof so I didn't get 10 minutes through the first episode. Does it improve? Are there mediums I can use to alleviate this?
That's your sound settings. You could look through the settings and sometimes they have presets that change it to enhance voice and decrease loud noises
My piece of shit samsung tv I've adjusted the sound as much as possible to no avail.
your sound system is fricked up. fix it. turn off dolby in your tv settings unless you actually have a 5.1 or 7.1 system. if you do make sure its actually set up right.
you could also be autistic. but 99% of the time when I deal with people who complain about extra loud explosions and quiet dialogue its because their settings are fricked.
Yeah the extra channel type settings are turned off (some are auto disabled to begin with because I'm just using the tv speakers since I'm poor and hadn't bought a decent sound system (which might be part of my problem!).
On prime video there are audio track options >Boost Dialogue Medium >Boost Dialogue High
Try one of those
Ok I'll try that, thanks. I don't recall what medium I tried to watch it, would've been netflix or prime off a default out of the box app on that said shitty samsung tv. I miss my panasonic viera plasma tv.
I'm so mad at this TV in general; it doesn't even have a signal meter for broadcast antenna signal; all the settings are based around other functions except being a television signal reciever and display. Like what the frick I bought a TV not a big computer monitor. But that's what I get for buying cheap in a panic after my old tv died and not researching shit beforehand.
>default out of the box app on that said shitty samsung tv.
Anon, please buy yourself a cheap laptop to stream shit to your TV. I wouldn't wish any smart TV OS on my enemy.
I'm so mad at this TV in general; it doesn't even have a signal meter for broadcast antenna signal; all the settings are based around other functions except being a television signal reciever and display. Like what the frick I bought a TV not a big computer monitor. But that's what I get for buying cheap in a panic after my old tv died and not researching shit beforehand.
your sound system is fricked up. fix it. turn off dolby in your tv settings unless you actually have a 5.1 or 7.1 system. if you do make sure its actually set up right.
you could also be autistic. but 99% of the time when I deal with people who complain about extra loud explosions and quiet dialogue its because their settings are fricked.
audio normalization fixes this, theres probably a setting in your audio for the tv to turn it in. it tries to make everything the same sound level. i thought the sound was actually pretty good in the expanse so not sure why its needed
He was great, and one of the best in the entire show. Him and Drummer some of the only cool Belters. His death was also one of the stupidest in the show.
And? Ashford succeeded, got to Marco, and literally had his gun to his head. Then Philip shows up with a gun pointed at Ashford's back, and Ashford just gives up and lets them kill him. He was dead either way, but could have taken Marco with him. Stupid.
Keting ere pashang to ta showxa fo mi, to sabaka mali? Mi wanya to fo sasa mi finyish ere fosh pelésh ere imbobo xunyam mi ere da OPA, unte mi ta go fo walowda raids ere UN, unte mi decho seri xanya mang fosho. Mi sasa dewe fo du xite lik wa gorilla unte mi da bosmang sniper ere da OPA. To nating fo mi amash wang mo ting fo du xite. Mi gonya leta-go to da pashang kuku wit precision lik tumang vedi natim, pochuye da wowt mi showxa. To pensa to kang showxa dedawang fo mi ere da network? Pensa wamotim, pashangwala. Xitim, mi showxa fo secret spy network mi unte im ando trace IP to, deradzhang to mowsh kom sif gútegow fo da storm, koyo. Da storm deting decho da ting to du nem livit to. To pashang det, maliwala. Mi kang bi kowpelesh, kowltim, unte mi kang decho to ere seng xanya we, unte dedawang bera wit xante mi. Mi oso tenye kowl da OPA tungeting, unte mi gonya du im kowl da we fo decho to, to kakamali. Sili bera to ta kang sasa deting unholy retribution wowt semówt mali ta gonya leta-kom ere to, mebi to ta na showxa. Amash to na ta kang, to na ta du im, unte xitim to mowsh gif peye fo im, to nakangepensa pashangwala. Mi gonya kaka fury kowl ere to unte im gonya decho to. To pashang det, maliwala!
Watch it all, you simple frick. Who the hell goes into a show with the concept you need to stop somewhere? What, you think it's going to infect you with something if you watch too many episodes? As if you have anything better to do with your time.
>the Expanse huh? >I LOVE that show. How about I take a crack at producing it? >Lord of the Rings huh? >I LOVE that franchise, how about I take a crack at producing it?
They did decently at The Expanse. They adapted the books for their seasons pretty closely. Problem is that the books they got weren't as interesting as the first three.
The people making Expanse in the early seasons basically cut themselves 200-400% raises off of Union rules as soon as they were allowed to.
It's why the show's production gets worse and worse as its budget goes higher and higher.
>I'll liberate my culture by massacring more people in a single attack than every tyrant and every war in human history combined. >How bad could the consequences possibly be?
Honestly, great plan. Outstanding. Terrific. I know good plans, and this guys got a great plan. I walked in and said >Wow what a great plan
>I'll liberate my culture by massacring more people in a single attack than every tyrant and every war in human history combined. >How bad could the consequences possibly be?
thats not even the largest problem with what they did. most of the food in the solar system came from earth, ganymede would not be able to feed everyone in the belt. tens of millions of belters would have starved to death if marcos plan was fully realized
The beauty of the plan is its the type of generational thinking earth refused to take part in. they wanted their resources now-now-now so they ruined the places where resources were easiest to harvest and then acted like the belt needed just learn to do more with less. Where what they should've been doing is slightly altering the orbits of resource rich rocks so they'll rendezvous with extraction facilities in a steady procession.
so marco had a bunch of rocks rendezvous with earth in steady procession.
What's even more moronic is how many people agreed with it. Like yeah, you guys were oppressed but were you "kill 20 billion people" oppressed?
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thats not even the largest problem with what they did. most of the food in the solar system came from earth, ganymede would not be able to feed everyone in the belt. tens of millions of belters would have starved to death if marcos plan was fully realized
i completely lost interest in reading the books after he made bobby lose a hand-to-hand fight to some cowboy-mayor-dude in her own ship
now i have like 3 unread books here i cba to even touch, i fully expected her to fold this piece of shit but nooooooo some rando bumfrick from nowhere beats a fricking space-marine that trained her whole life wtf is this shit
here we go with the wiki morons again. bobby beat the shit out of amos
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not amos you dumb frick
after timeskip they were on a bounty mission to bring some space-hick back to the federation or whatever they called it bec he didnt pay space-toll for passing the ring or smth
Naomi was very smart and capable engineer. You just don't want that to be the case because women, especially black women, can't be that according to you. She must be an incompetent, idiot, nog, etc. so therefore Amos is wrong to like her. When really, Amos would knock your pathetic face in and keep on walking.
technical ability doesn't really show on screen well, especially when a character barely ever does anything, and triply so when all her decisions are fricking stupid.
Story had so much potential. I wanted more "Man in his infinite hubris plays with forces beyond his understanding" kino. Instead I got Marco Inaros for two seasons and Holden's wife's son.
after building up forces and building with the Laconia low orbit platforms a new fleet of ships with hulls that regenerate, Duarte comes back to Sol and annihilates Earth, Mars and Belters' fleet before they surrender and accept to get annexed into his Laconian Empire. Holden gets taken prisoner helping the gang escaping Medina station.
Except that when one of his battleships fires its super advanced weapon at Pallas and pulverizes it, everyone in the Sol system passes out for several regardless of where they were. A "bomb" shows up on that battleship, identical to the one Miller shows to Holden on Ilus.
While a Resistance organizes itself against Duarte's empire and Amos goes undercover on Laconia to try to break out Holden, Duarte, after going on an immortality treatment invented by Cortazar with protomeme tech, decides to frick with the aliens ("dark gods") that killed the protomeme species by sending a ship with a darkmatter bomb through the gate right when the next ship crossing would get disappeared. In the meantime, Teresa, Duarte's daughter regular sneaks out and befriends Amos. The aliens react to the bomb by blowing up a neutron star in the system the bomb was transiting from, causing this system's gate and the one facing it opposite of the slow zone's bubble to go offline.
A few days later, the "dark gods" destroy everything in the slow zone, meaning every ship present along with Medina Station and one of Duarte's fancy battleships. It knocks out the entire infrastructure of antennas and relays letting colonies communicate with each other and the Sol system through the Gate. The attack also sends Duarte into a deep vegetative state. Amos gets found out and is killed after Teresa gives him a visit, only to be killed and resurrected by the "Strange Dogs" (actually repair drones from the protomeme).
The Resistance then takes on Laconia, Bobbie dies blowing up the big scary battleship they had guarding the Sol system. Naomi and gang then lead a raid on the Laconia system, destroying the protomeme platforms. The raid on the system helps Holden and Amos reunite and Teresa comes with them.
While the gang hides in another system, Duarte wakes up, kills Cortazar with a wave of his hand and disappears.
His stand in gets upset and sends a Colonel Tanaka after him to bring him back.
More attacks ensue from the "dark gods" ensue as they experiment on what will kill humans and not just render them unconscious. It eventually works and the "dark gods" manage to kill everyone in a gate system.
Traffic in the slow zone picks back up, and the ship Alex's kid is on gets disappeared, only for the process to get reversed as the slow zone's boundary starts to glow white. However, as a side effect, everyone on the ship start sharing memories. Turns out to be the beginning of Duarte's Instrumentiality plan, as he managed to get on the station at the center of the ring and activate it, the ball acting like a defense filed and keeping the spooky aliens at bay.
The gang eventually finds where he is after Holden purposefully infects himself with the protomeme and goes there to stop him as Duarte's hive mind spreads, leading to the Roci and a small number of ships having to fight against it while Holden, Teresa and Tanaka look for Duarte.
They find him, fight for a bit and manage to kill him. The lighthouse is the only that keeps the "dark gods" away, so if no one is there to keep it activated, they'll come back and kill everyone. Holden decides to sacrifice himself by blowing up the station to close off the slow zone and the rings, Alex goes to the system where his kid migrated to with the Roci, Naomi goes back to Earth with Teresa and Amos.
The epilogue happens a gazillion years later as humanity's colonies survived and managed to make FTL travel possible. An emissary lands on earth, only to get greeted by Amos, still allive thanks to the protomeme.
They also realize that it's a really bad idea to continue using the alien tech since they are not dead, but hibernating. They put themselves in hibernation for billions of years waiting for some species to wake them up, and then they will take over that species and use their bodies to recreate their empire in a different form. So the 'dead' aliens would return and humanity would eventually go extinct.
One of the worst shows ever made and it's horrible because it's about things I really like, so now I will never see a good show that has them because it was done by this trash
He had great hair though
Ok, but was there anything you liked?
Yeah this guy was my favorite
Paki living on Mars with a southern accent. I don't buy it.
It's a hundred years in the future. You want everything to be exactly the same as it is now?
Dude I live in TX and meet Arabs and Asians with southern accents. Nothing is even weird to me anymore.
It's explained in the books. Olympus mons was settled by people from china, texas and india. The whole thing resulted in a blend of cultures with southern accents. Alex Kamal is my favorite character.
t. texan
>Alex Kamal is my favorite character.
>t. texan
Are you me?
Dumb Americanski. In Russia if stan countries do no assimilate we annex and now they part of Russia. Is logic.
>Patch me through to the comms of the cute lil' thing waiting outside the highschool for her mom to pick her up, hoss
donkey balls
>OH N-!
10/10 .webm, anon.
What is happening here? Did the sumbarine implode in the volcano?
nah marco is getting ripped apart by the antagonist of the protomolecule
i still don't get what happened
The red aliens are the ones who killed the protomolecule aliens billions of years ago. They REALLY hate when anyone uses the ring space since it travels through their reality and hurts them. They attack anything that's above a certain mass. So when Marco's ships were going through the gate, Holden's forces sent another ship through and it push it over the limit causing the aliens to eat his ships.
mean aliens
it gets even worse in the books. the protomolecule killers start making entire star systems black out. theyre trying to figure out how to wipe out all the humans
>big bad thing wants to destroy everything
how original!
they want to wipe humans out because the aliens are trying to protect their own universe from the damage the ring system is doing to it. thats why they killed off the protomolecule creators
That's not what it is at all, idiot. The humans found the protomolecule tech and started using it again. The 'bad' aliens wouldn't care about them if they hadn't.
The protomolecule ring works by siphoning off energy from an alternate universe. The spooky red aliens can't interact with us directly but they can alter our laws of physics and observe whether things keep traveling through the ring gates afterward. It's self defense.
its not well explained in the show. there is a limit placed on the ring systems energy use. whenever ships go through a ring it is using some of that energy. when the ring system goes beyond that energy level any ship going through the rings goes "dutchman" and it disappears. it disappears into a different type of space that is inhabited by the aliens who killes off the protomolecule crestors. those aliens basically eat every ship that goes dutchman
What if feels like to chew 5 Gum?
>I'm a big man like mi da, ke?
homosexual.
I hate this sniveling kid like you would not believe.
>we can't afford Oscar Isaac
Man he would have been perfect.
Even Oscar Issac couldn't have made that crap script worth watching.
Frick that would've been so much better
who?
I feel like it'd be hard to cast. They need someone that looks belterish, 'handsome', someone with charisma that makes girls just drool over him, and can seemingly always convince groups of people to follow him. And the audience isn't supposed to like him either. How pissed would they be if the audience sided with Marco and he was a fan favorite, kek
>How pissed would they be if the audience sided with Marco and he was a fan favorite, kek
Well, I'm sure they would be pissed. But is a character really charismatic if some portion of the audience doesn't take their side?
The key to a good villain is actually being compelling. Having respectable motivations. Which, Marco as written could fit the bill. But I think he casting was poor.
the point of marco is he is completely right in everything he's saying. but the viewer knows his plan can't work. that belter food is still completely dependent upon earth exports. that earth doesn't need to go to war with the belt, earth can just sit back and starve the belt out.
The Belt had Earth over a barrel at that point though. They had control of the ring, Earth's fleets were fricked, Earth was fricked up, Marco had a fleet of martian ships, he could dictate to Earth what the deal would be and they'd be his b***hes
the fleets were held down by marco's rock throwing, not fricked up. earth still had more ships.
of course the belters were being propped up by early laconia, to keep earth distracted. another bit of information the viewer has, but the characters don't.
>The Belt had Earth over a barrel at that point
If by that you mean they had suppressed the UNs ability to force project into the belt, i agree. But it was always going to be a pyrrhic victory. Because with earth in ruins and Ganymede not fully rebuilt how many belters would starve? A lot. Speculatively I think a 1/3rd population haircut isn't put of the question. Marco had a grandiose plan that was selfish because it was always going to cost millions of belter lives. He didn't care about the belt. He wanted to found his own new world through the ring and was just playing the belt for fools.
What was Marco right about?
earth was never going make the belt a paradise, would always see the entire solar system and everyone in it as its property, to do with as it pleases, unless said people fight back, hard.
the Belt could never be a paradise, anymore than a mineshaft on Earth can be
seems a tad autistic to murder billions and put the Belt at risk of extinction over
the belt has more resources than the whole of earth, spread out in a pretty string of pearls configuration. wise exploitation of these resources would mean limitless food, air, and water, all in microgravity.
More mineral resources. Still nothing to support the amount of organics they need for human life, the same organics they were dependent on Earth for. At least according to everyone in the books, including Nico Sanjrani (Marco's chief economist).
you know you're replying to
right?
Non-sequitur, the post I was replying to:
is demonstrably false.
And Marco is proven not to be right.
>i'm dumb
okay, I'll spell it out. the population of the belt is not sustainable without earth exports because earth expanded the population of the belt as quickly as possible to maintain quarterly profit margins, for short term gains. the belt , as it was before marco, was completely at the mercy of earth, and earth had no mercy.
marco then punishes the earth for this lack of generational thinking with the type of generational thinking the earth should've been engaging in from the start.
>i'm dumb
I gathered you were, but I'm quoting the book at you. The Belt cannot survive without Earth's organics. No matter what. The Belt is at the mercy of human evolution, as Nico Sanjrani points out to Michio Pa, not the people of Earth.
Marco wasn't right about anything, he just murdered a bunch of innocent people because he's a loony and then loses.
this, starving the people of the belt out doesn't punish anyone but the belt
if the choice is between starving and suffering over a long period of time and breaking shit and dying, people tend to choose the latter, much to the upset of those willing to just sit and starve. functionally though, for those willing to starve, nothing has really changed.
Explains why the Free Navy lost.
belt wasn't starving until inaros sperged out and ruined the only planet humans metabolisms are evolved to work with
why? it's a non-sequitur. my points stand.
>belt wasn't starving
... then you didn't pay attention to the entirety of the show... the belt was starving, gasping, and dying of thirst, and begging for every drop, puff of air, and morsel, from the inners, on top of being killed for striking.
expecting this to not result in a revolution, even one that wouldn't work, is just stupid.
More Belter BS. No wonder Inaros was a puppet and lost.
Inaros staged his attack for different reasons (at least in the book). But then you don't remember Nico Sanjrani's points so I'm guessing you didn't read them.
>you don't remember Nico Sanjrani's points
I literally said them at
. see also
seriously man, what's wrong with you? autism?
You didn't say them, because you claimed he was right when the book outright says he wasn't. Shit, you even fricked up by saying it was about starving that wasn't happening, instead of Marco's stated reason from the books. Try again.
>his plan can't work. that belter food is still completely dependent upon earth exports.
are you just not reading past the first ten words or something?
I didn't get this in the show. Cause he said that Ganymede could produce all the food they need (after a few early light food years). Meanwhile it has been shown that planet literally is so vulnerable to attack that it literally has glass mirrors in orbit.
>he said that Ganymede could produce all the food they need
and, earlier, you have prax talking about how systems like ganymede aren't sustainable.
I don't recall him saying it wasn't sustainable, just that it was a complex system that needed proper care.
prax basically says every non-earth system is unsustainable because they're all eternally dependent on earth
"proper care" meaning imports from earth.
Yeah I didn't get that part of it. I don't see why shipping soil from Earth is even a thing. There has to be a way of making viable soil and anything without Earth imports.
Like let's say we establish a Mars colony. You aren't going to import tomatoes, because they can be grown via hydroponics No soil needed. You are going to import CPU's because they are small and it is not easy to build the necessary fabs and support infrastructure.
sovl
sovlless
can't grow tomatoes in martian soil
plants developed to conditions on earth won't just grow on alien planets, let alone develop property or reproduce
The Haber Bosch process does not rely on any Earth-based organics.
It also doesn't apply to agriculture on alien worlds.
Why do fertilizers not work on Earth plants if they're grown on other planets?
>can't grow tomatoes in martian soil
Disregarding the whole The Martian is bullshit because potatoes can't be grown in the high perchlorate soil of Mars. Which I think is what you are implying. I don't need soil. We would use hydroponics.
soil depletion, on earth, is avoidable by letting fields go fallow for a season. to let the entire biosphere of the area live, shit, and die on the land to replenish nutrients. this means hundreds, if not thousands of species contributing to the nutrient content of the soil.
Since none of that stuff is in space, there's no (cheap/easy) way to replenish soil nutrients. The cheapest/easiest way is just to ship soil out into space.
>soil nutrients
What do you even mean by this? Are you talking hydroponics solutions or actual soil?
bacteria, fungi, single-celled organisms, amoeba, nematodes, all the chemicals they produce and all the toxins they clean.
there's no simple way to describe how an ecosystem functions, much less create a new one.
We are talking food sources not terraforming.
Then we're talking about unsustainable food sources, dependent upon earth.
Which is easy to solve with todays tech. To say nothing of hundreds of years in the future.
>Which is easy to solve with todays tech.
on earth.
Nitrogen
Phosphorus
Potassium
Calcium
Magnesium
Sulphur
Iron
Copper
Zinc
Manganese
Boron
Molybdenum
This is what is in a hydroponics nutrient solution. I fail to understand why you need Earth for any of this. They can be found on any planet. So convince me otherwise.
you should read more into hydroponics, paying special attention to how its still just theory and has yet to really generate any results.
I didn't realize people were just trolling. Sorry, I'll leave.
how much exclusively hydroponically grown food have you eaten in your life?
the answer is zero
I've smoked a good amount of it
No, sorry, you haven't. even "hydroponically grown" weed is still dependent upon soil.
chill, man
I grow microgreens and small cherry style tomatoes at home for salads. I mean this is common if you look on YouTube.
you sound simple
Did you just not read the books or something?
do the books imply ganymede is sustainable?
The books point out Marco is wrong.
The show does too.
frick... i guess marco wasn't right
He was right in the sense the inners were never going to loosen their grip.
Got it backwards, the Inners were going to loosen their grip... completely. That's why he rebelled.
>he rebelled because he was about to get what he wanted
... anon this pretty amazing stuff you're posting. you're going to have to help me out here.
>what he wanted
lol read Babylon's Ashes, anon
I accept your concession. You've already established that book marco and show marco are different, which means you're arguing points that don't exist in the show.
If you didn't read the books why were you trying to debate them?
If you don't know why Marco did what he did, you accept nothing he said was right. And so, I accept your concession.
Reply to my post if you concede. And come back when you've read Babylon's Ashes lol. Inaro was acting against something bigger than starvation, top fricking kek.
Show marco directly states why he did what he did, and he was right to do what he did. If that's at odds with the books I have no reason to care.
Then why debate the books? He even states the reason in the show anyway, and it's not starvation.
What a bizarre "debate". Appreciate the concession tho.
I never debated the books or talked about them. some bookgay just started autism'ing at me over marco being more wrong in the books.
When someone quotes the book (and show) at you and you're unfamiliar with it, just say so instead of making a feeble attempt at an argument. Watching you lose was cringey.
Okay. and you don't talk about the books if no one mentions them. Deal?
is entirely about the show. it wasn't even clear I was being autism'd at by a bookgay until a dozen replies.
Already pointed out Marco isn't right about what he says in the show either.
You have some weird autistic twitch where you keep repeating yourself like you think that'll make you correct. It doesn't.
>Marco isn't right about what he says in the show either.
then you watched a different show than everyone else.
Anon, you don't speak for "everyone else". If you think you do, your autism is acting up again.
autism-bro, you're implying the inners in the show weren't
>starving
>gasping
>dying of thirst
all to serve inner profit. Then a ring appears, and suddenly the inners should be allowed to claim it all for their own, do the same things?
marco was being used by the laconians to keep earth pinned down, but its not like earth didn't deserve it.
>BILLIONS MUST DIE
now THIS is autism
you still don't speak for everyone
quote Inaros, if you think that will help you
billions who are given more to do nothing than belters get for blood, sweat, and tears, yeah. another thing marco was right about.
The issue is who cares about the Sol system. Just leave. You got a thousand systems for the belters to go to. Just frick off. The entire asteroid plan was just dumb that anyone could see would just end in war and belter suffering.
>You got a thousand systems for the belters to go to. Just frick off.
Not so fast, skinny. Those planets are the rightful property of Earth corporations.
>The issue is who cares about the Sol system. Just leave. You got a thousand systems for the belters to go to. Just frick off.
But you can't.
>Sanjrani relaxed and pulled up a diagram from the desk's display. A complex series of curves laid over x and y axes. "We made assumptions when we started this," he said. "We made plans. Good ones, I think. But we didn't follow them." "Dui," Michio said. "First thing we did," he said "was destroy the biggest source of wealth and complex organics in the system. The only supply of complex organics that work with our metabolisms. The worlds on the other side of the ring? Different genetic code. Different chemistries, Not something we can import and eat."
Literally all of them are dependent on Earth. It's one aspect of hard science they stuck with. You can't just go to a different planet think you're in Kansas.
Bring some seeds with you
>The only supply of complex organics that work with our metabolisms. The worlds on the other side of the ring? Different genetic code. Different chemistries, Not something we can import and eat."
That is a hard argument to buy. Belters can easily make vats of yeast and other materials. Sure they would need samples from Earth, like seeds. But once you grow the yeast vats, you don't need Earth.
Not a hard argument from the top expert on the subject in the Belt. Belters can make vats, but they still depend on Earth for virtually everything, and always will.
>“You don’t,” he said. Tears sheeted across his eyes, clung to his skin. “No recycling process is perfect. Everything degrades."
>“No recycling process is perfect. Everything degrades."
That doesn't mean you need Earth. It means you need raw chemicals, water, etc. Earth is and will only ever be valuable for its high tech exports. Not common foodstuff.
It does in the setting and it does in reality. Can't answer for you skewed interpretation of agriculture in non-Earth environments.
Why would they? Fertilizers developed for the growth of organisms that developed for Earth. Once on an alien world there are myriad factors to account for on the development of the plant and what can help it.
Hell, they talk about this in the show with Prax. Even with genetic engineering they're still dependent on organics from Earth.
... this is b8, isn't it? reads like the gaunt belter from season 1.
It's like they didn't pay attention during any scene with belters. That's like all they ever talked about, how inners would just turn off their air and water whenever they wanted if the belters weren't doing exactly as told. It's why there was such an uproar and hoopla about the Canterbury ice hauler since they didn't believe it wasn't Earth who destroyed it specifically to frick with belters.
you're just repeating what I said at
Saying
>Marco wasn't right about anything
doesn't sound a lot like
>the point of marco is he is completely right in everything he's saying
because he wasn't. he was an idiot, he was wrong, his own chief economist called him out on his bullshit, and he lost.
see
.
marco isn't right about shit. all we wanted to do, really, is destroy things. and he would have kept doing it.
>lets cast the worst actor as the main hero
Don't speak to me or Naomi's son ever again
par for the course, the entire series has about 5 competent actors total (amos, miller, dawes, sadavir, kenzo and throw lopez in there too even though it was a bit role. alex, ashur, and cortazar are ok). it's pretty embarassing how shitty the writing and acting is for such a big budget series
Is there anything I can do to remedy this? I wanted to start watching The Expanse as I haven't seen a sci-fi series for awhile, but the first episode for me was a massive case of "whispers and explosions", where I couldn't hear shit of dialogue but the background music and effects volume was through the roof so I didn't get 10 minutes through the first episode. Does it improve? Are there mediums I can use to alleviate this?
That's your sound settings. You could look through the settings and sometimes they have presets that change it to enhance voice and decrease loud noises
My piece of shit samsung tv I've adjusted the sound as much as possible to no avail.
Yeah the extra channel type settings are turned off (some are auto disabled to begin with because I'm just using the tv speakers since I'm poor and hadn't bought a decent sound system (which might be part of my problem!).
Ok I'll try that, thanks. I don't recall what medium I tried to watch it, would've been netflix or prime off a default out of the box app on that said shitty samsung tv. I miss my panasonic viera plasma tv.
>I'm just using the tv speakers
its amazing how shitty current year tv speakers are.
I'm so mad at this TV in general; it doesn't even have a signal meter for broadcast antenna signal; all the settings are based around other functions except being a television signal reciever and display. Like what the frick I bought a TV not a big computer monitor. But that's what I get for buying cheap in a panic after my old tv died and not researching shit beforehand.
>default out of the box app on that said shitty samsung tv.
Anon, please buy yourself a cheap laptop to stream shit to your TV. I wouldn't wish any smart TV OS on my enemy.
Also get one of these
Advertising or begging
Neither, just recommending an anon what I use personally.
your sound system is fricked up. fix it. turn off dolby in your tv settings unless you actually have a 5.1 or 7.1 system. if you do make sure its actually set up right.
you could also be autistic. but 99% of the time when I deal with people who complain about extra loud explosions and quiet dialogue its because their settings are fricked.
On prime video there are audio track options
>Boost Dialogue Medium
>Boost Dialogue High
Try one of those
audio normalization fixes this, theres probably a setting in your audio for the tv to turn it in. it tries to make everything the same sound level. i thought the sound was actually pretty good in the expanse so not sure why its needed
I think this guy gave a good performance. I was sad when he got killed
He was great, and one of the best in the entire show. Him and Drummer some of the only cool Belters. His death was also one of the stupidest in the show.
>1m15s webm
And good quality, too. Damn that's some good work.
>His death was also one of the stupidest in the show.
He did his standard breaching strategy against a guy who told him he'd studied his exploits, a guy willing to let tons of people die for his cause.
And? Ashford succeeded, got to Marco, and literally had his gun to his head. Then Philip shows up with a gun pointed at Ashford's back, and Ashford just gives up and lets them kill him. He was dead either way, but could have taken Marco with him. Stupid.
eh, he kills marco then marco becomes a martyr, he becomes a traitor sent by earthers and dipshit becomes the new, even less coherent marco.
Keting ere pashang to ta showxa fo mi, to sabaka mali? Mi wanya to fo sasa mi finyish ere fosh pelésh ere imbobo xunyam mi ere da OPA, unte mi ta go fo walowda raids ere UN, unte mi decho seri xanya mang fosho. Mi sasa dewe fo du xite lik wa gorilla unte mi da bosmang sniper ere da OPA. To nating fo mi amash wang mo ting fo du xite. Mi gonya leta-go to da pashang kuku wit precision lik tumang vedi natim, pochuye da wowt mi showxa. To pensa to kang showxa dedawang fo mi ere da network? Pensa wamotim, pashangwala. Xitim, mi showxa fo secret spy network mi unte im ando trace IP to, deradzhang to mowsh kom sif gútegow fo da storm, koyo. Da storm deting decho da ting to du nem livit to. To pashang det, maliwala. Mi kang bi kowpelesh, kowltim, unte mi kang decho to ere seng xanya we, unte dedawang bera wit xante mi. Mi oso tenye kowl da OPA tungeting, unte mi gonya du im kowl da we fo decho to, to kakamali. Sili bera to ta kang sasa deting unholy retribution wowt semówt mali ta gonya leta-kom ere to, mebi to ta na showxa. Amash to na ta kang, to na ta du im, unte xitim to mowsh gif peye fo im, to nakangepensa pashangwala. Mi gonya kaka fury kowl ere to unte im gonya decho to. To pashang det, maliwala!
him and drummer were the only non awful belters
4 is not ok. 4 is awful
What season should I stop at? Just started 3.
Don't watch 5. 4 is okay.
Watch it all, you simple frick. Who the hell goes into a show with the concept you need to stop somewhere? What, you think it's going to infect you with something if you watch too many episodes? As if you have anything better to do with your time.
Season 5 have me cancer you insensitive frick
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Gotta talk about that ride kid, next clue to the case.
Easily best performance in the show and my personal favorite character.
I really enjoyed both his arcs. His role as the investigator was so weird and interesting
>miller gets rid of the hat before he ever meets holden
>holden still sees miller ghost with the hat
this show fricked up everything
Doors and corners, kid.
That was a hint to the audience that proto-Miller was real, not just a hallucination.
keeps the rain off his head
This show has too many mutt actors for me to give a shit.
>the Expanse huh?
>I LOVE that show. How about I take a crack at producing it?
>Lord of the Rings huh?
>I LOVE that franchise, how about I take a crack at producing it?
They did decently at The Expanse. They adapted the books for their seasons pretty closely. Problem is that the books they got weren't as interesting as the first three.
they did not.
>lets fire a main cast member for bullshit reasons and try to just keep going without him
The people making Expanse in the early seasons basically cut themselves 200-400% raises off of Union rules as soon as they were allowed to.
It's why the show's production gets worse and worse as its budget goes higher and higher.
>I'll liberate my culture by massacring more people in a single attack than every tyrant and every war in human history combined.
>How bad could the consequences possibly be?
Honestly, great plan. Outstanding. Terrific. I know good plans, and this guys got a great plan. I walked in and said
>Wow what a great plan
What's even more moronic is how many people agreed with it. Like yeah, you guys were oppressed but were you "kill 20 billion people" oppressed?
thats not even the largest problem with what they did. most of the food in the solar system came from earth, ganymede would not be able to feed everyone in the belt. tens of millions of belters would have starved to death if marcos plan was fully realized
The beauty of the plan is its the type of generational thinking earth refused to take part in. they wanted their resources now-now-now so they ruined the places where resources were easiest to harvest and then acted like the belt needed just learn to do more with less. Where what they should've been doing is slightly altering the orbits of resource rich rocks so they'll rendezvous with extraction facilities in a steady procession.
so marco had a bunch of rocks rendezvous with earth in steady procession.
Counterpoint: Total inner death
go bring me ice from saturn. b***h
Why did the author create such a dumb plotline for the books?
what plot? marco? that plot is much better in the books
No it isn't.
Yes, it is. And very realistic way for people to act.
i completely lost interest in reading the books after he made bobby lose a hand-to-hand fight to some cowboy-mayor-dude in her own ship
now i have like 3 unread books here i cba to even touch, i fully expected her to fold this piece of shit but nooooooo some rando bumfrick from nowhere beats a fricking space-marine that trained her whole life wtf is this shit
here we go with the wiki morons again. bobby beat the shit out of amos
not amos you dumb frick
after timeskip they were on a bounty mission to bring some space-hick back to the federation or whatever they called it bec he didnt pay space-toll for passing the ring or smth
I know, he nailed the role
i quit at the beginning of s3 but almost every actor on this show was awful.
For me, it's the Agatha King
reminder that Murtry literally did nothing wrong
Ashford, Amos and Miller were the three best characters by far
Amos was a gigamoron Naomi simp. Ashford, Miller, and Alex were the only good characters.
>Ashford, Miller, and Alex were the only good characters.
Naomi was very smart and capable engineer. You just don't want that to be the case because women, especially black women, can't be that according to you. She must be an incompetent, idiot, nog, etc. so therefore Amos is wrong to like her. When really, Amos would knock your pathetic face in and keep on walking.
technical ability doesn't really show on screen well, especially when a character barely ever does anything, and triply so when all her decisions are fricking stupid.
Yes she can fix a microwave and change a light bulb but everything outside of that she's completely moronic about and drags everyone else down.
>Amos was a gigamoron Naomi simp
He wasn't simping for her he was using her conscience because he doesn't have one
Amos kills people for dumb reasons. Lives forever.
HOW IS THAT FAIR???
last man standing
It's funny to think anyone believes anything Marco said was accurate when he was literally just a useful idiot for Duarte lmao
Literally hoo?
Story had so much potential. I wanted more "Man in his infinite hubris plays with forces beyond his understanding" kino. Instead I got Marco Inaros for two seasons and Holden's wife's son.
at least they weren't going to be the focus of the next three seasons
can any bookgays sum up the rest of the plot after the TV series ends?
after building up forces and building with the Laconia low orbit platforms a new fleet of ships with hulls that regenerate, Duarte comes back to Sol and annihilates Earth, Mars and Belters' fleet before they surrender and accept to get annexed into his Laconian Empire. Holden gets taken prisoner helping the gang escaping Medina station.
Except that when one of his battleships fires its super advanced weapon at Pallas and pulverizes it, everyone in the Sol system passes out for several regardless of where they were. A "bomb" shows up on that battleship, identical to the one Miller shows to Holden on Ilus.
While a Resistance organizes itself against Duarte's empire and Amos goes undercover on Laconia to try to break out Holden, Duarte, after going on an immortality treatment invented by Cortazar with protomeme tech, decides to frick with the aliens ("dark gods") that killed the protomeme species by sending a ship with a darkmatter bomb through the gate right when the next ship crossing would get disappeared. In the meantime, Teresa, Duarte's daughter regular sneaks out and befriends Amos. The aliens react to the bomb by blowing up a neutron star in the system the bomb was transiting from, causing this system's gate and the one facing it opposite of the slow zone's bubble to go offline.
A few days later, the "dark gods" destroy everything in the slow zone, meaning every ship present along with Medina Station and one of Duarte's fancy battleships. It knocks out the entire infrastructure of antennas and relays letting colonies communicate with each other and the Sol system through the Gate. The attack also sends Duarte into a deep vegetative state. Amos gets found out and is killed after Teresa gives him a visit, only to be killed and resurrected by the "Strange Dogs" (actually repair drones from the protomeme).
The Resistance then takes on Laconia, Bobbie dies blowing up the big scary battleship they had guarding the Sol system. Naomi and gang then lead a raid on the Laconia system, destroying the protomeme platforms. The raid on the system helps Holden and Amos reunite and Teresa comes with them.
While the gang hides in another system, Duarte wakes up, kills Cortazar with a wave of his hand and disappears.
His stand in gets upset and sends a Colonel Tanaka after him to bring him back.
More attacks ensue from the "dark gods" ensue as they experiment on what will kill humans and not just render them unconscious. It eventually works and the "dark gods" manage to kill everyone in a gate system.
Traffic in the slow zone picks back up, and the ship Alex's kid is on gets disappeared, only for the process to get reversed as the slow zone's boundary starts to glow white. However, as a side effect, everyone on the ship start sharing memories. Turns out to be the beginning of Duarte's Instrumentiality plan, as he managed to get on the station at the center of the ring and activate it, the ball acting like a defense filed and keeping the spooky aliens at bay.
The gang eventually finds where he is after Holden purposefully infects himself with the protomeme and goes there to stop him as Duarte's hive mind spreads, leading to the Roci and a small number of ships having to fight against it while Holden, Teresa and Tanaka look for Duarte.
They find him, fight for a bit and manage to kill him. The lighthouse is the only that keeps the "dark gods" away, so if no one is there to keep it activated, they'll come back and kill everyone. Holden decides to sacrifice himself by blowing up the station to close off the slow zone and the rings, Alex goes to the system where his kid migrated to with the Roci, Naomi goes back to Earth with Teresa and Amos.
The epilogue happens a gazillion years later as humanity's colonies survived and managed to make FTL travel possible. An emissary lands on earth, only to get greeted by Amos, still allive thanks to the protomeme.
I want to see Zombie Amos
They also realize that it's a really bad idea to continue using the alien tech since they are not dead, but hibernating. They put themselves in hibernation for billions of years waiting for some species to wake them up, and then they will take over that species and use their bodies to recreate their empire in a different form. So the 'dead' aliens would return and humanity would eventually go extinct.
Tanaka would have been badass. Same with Bobby going out
Hang skinnies from trees
redpill me on belters
every fricking time we meet them, they're violent douche bags
What do you expect after a century of brutal economic exploitation? That they be nice to you and worship the ground you walk on?
I expect them to die.
Pashang fong, inyalowda
Earther website, skinny. Speak Earther.
Day of the rock soon, tumang.
>A FRICKING INNER
This homosexual is a terrible OP. Reddit tier post.
You're a fan of overacting then I take it?
FRICK OFF shit head. I'm a fan of whatever I want to be a fan of.
is that the gay boxer ryan garcia? i keep saying oscar should pitch him to televisa
>just repeating what I said at
You just know this direct to streaming dreck had zero capable directors on set, the actors were on their own and it shows tbqh.
*squints*
One of the worst shows ever made and it's horrible because it's about things I really like, so now I will never see a good show that has them because it was done by this trash
I feel that way about most sci-fi franchises
>implying telenovelas are bad