I would say Divers is just kinda boring and it's got lame pacing. It takes forever to really build up to anything and then it ramps back down and takes forever to get going again. All the side characters are fun at least. Rommel deserved his own show.
I wanted something more like .hack and Re:Rise hit that a bit better. The main protagonists are a bit more interesting and varied in my opinion.
Try is the weakest Build show by a country mile.
As far as a "main" Gundam show goes, IBO or AGE were both pretty meh to me. Lots of interesting ideas in them. And I quite like the mechanical designs. But IBO winds up never making good on a lot of the more interesting aspects of the setting and AGE drops the ball hard during that final arc. Mikazuki is also just the most uninteresting take on the "cold child soldier" type imaginable. Like Heero or Setsuna without any of their charm.
That’s still Gundam Age and stop replying to bad threads. Gundam Witch is boring ass garbage unless you are a shipper but at least it doesn’t insult as much as Gundam Age.
True. Too many girls, too many feelings, and I felt kind of emasculated after finishing it. Gundam is for true men who brood about the ethics of war. UC or die.
The literal keystone to Gundam is having your feelings emanate from your fricking Robot and being felt by others.
the whole canon is about being able to be a fricking empath for others feelings.
>Gundam is for true men who brood about the ethics of war.
KEK no it isn't. It's for woke trannies to b***h about how "war is...le bad XD" because it was made by and caters exclusively to morons who think star wars was a cinematic masterpiece. What you're looking for is Robot Jox newbie.
I don't get swhy people keep bringing Twilight axis when it's mostly a short to do ads for the book + literally was made by a single person doing all the storyboard, animation, direction and even directing the dub.
According to ANN, Se Jun Kim is credited for direction, script, key animation, mechanical design, character design, and over animation direction duties. However a ton of smaller companies did contribute for in-between and finishing animation.
I dont think you can really say one guys work is worse than the thing a ton of people worked on. That one dude did what he could, WfM crew had all the resources and time they needed but still produced something on the same level as one guy and some outsourced studios
If anything, outsourcing the work to 16 different companies sounds like they had enough money and time to throw around to ensure the one guy didn't have to work himself to the bone, but it does mean he has a lot of tasks to coordinate and put together into a cohesive final package.
That's not much money though when you consider how cheap outsourcing is compared to in house. G-Witch had more time and effort because more high value assets werr allocated to it compared to just throwing money at whatever studios would bite to help finish a project.
No they weren't. Gunpla fighting and build media has been around since the fricking 80s. Build Fighters is like the fifth time they did it and the second anime.
yes, that's why it's good. just let people make their OC gundam and just duke it out for fun is why build gundam is leagues better than whatever b***h from mercury was trying to do.
man this shit makes worry this about the future of the franchise, it tried appealing to the worst type of fan. it has piss poor writing and characters and lame mechs. at least we have Hathaway 2 coming out eventually
The usual template opinion. People have been saying this since the 90s and it hasn't worked. Chances are, you found out about this franchise yourself from some non-UC like Wing which has the same criticisms.
It's inevitable that Bandai Namco would look to newer pastures to keep Gundam relevant as a franchise. The production team just didn't care for WfM as a Gundam story.
My biggest concern more than anything is how embarrased G-Witch felt to be a Gundam show.
It feels like it was written by one of those "I don't watch toy commercials, I watch REAL mecha shows like Evangelion and Gurren Lagann!" people.
Guess that makes sense given it was written by Okouchi. I love Code Geass in spite of its flaws, but holy shit is the mecha stuff in that show underwhelming. Didn't help that 90% of the Knightmare Frames have some of the weakest Real Robot designs I've seen in an anime.
I don't think he would be interested in writing a Gundam story in the first place. He seems more like a tokusatsu/kaiju guy. Whatever little work he's done on Gargantia and A/Z, they were primarily SoL/war drama, with the mecha being an afterthought. A Gundam show needs the Gundam to shine - not be a prop that could be replaced with a grunt.
>It feels like it was written by one of those "I don't watch toy commercials, I watch REAL mecha shows like Evangelion and Gurren Lagann!" people.
That's exactly it. Modern-day audiences, particularly teenagers, don't seem to appreciate war stories with mecha. Maybe the War in Ukraine will change that?
I mean, the production team tried to use unchecked corporate greed because Takuya Okamoto claimed war stories didn't appeal to teenagers (https://www.zeonic-republic.net/?page_id=9814) and yet not much was explored on how corporations are more powerful than governments.
>and yet not much was explored on how corporations are more powerful than governments
Except how Benerit launched dozens of hit squads and killed 1526 innocents in search of others and the government did nothing about it.
>and yet not much was explored on how corporations are more powerful than governments.
And even then SAL was the final boss so they weren't that powerful in G-Witch.
That was the prologue set 21 years before the story proper. Sure the SAL learned from Vanadis but once season 2 happened, everything but Suletta X Miorine was rushed.
Hence the arguments about WfM needing more than 25 episodes: you introduce story arcs and if you rush them to focus on the yuri romance, why bother introducing stuff like corporations being more powerful than governments?
>That was the prologue set 21 years before the story proper
No, that was current Benerit launching vigilante searches for Dawn of Fold and killing innocents.
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Ah. But that was one episode and like I said, they rushed the implications of what happened (we don't see more of Guel learning how bad Earthians have it because when Guel reappeared two episodes after that, he managed to reach Asticassia without a single scratch).
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I don't think Spacians have a problem with the Earthians, they're just free what ever they want.
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They kinda don't want them within breathing distance.
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And that's one thing I noticed with the Earthian-Spacian divide: why the need to treat them as less than human?
That doesn’t feel like a corporate thing nor something that they can get away with. It felt more like Delling being a god emperor and nothing to do with him being the head of a corporation or a corporate board. You could literally replace the Benerit group with any goverment of your choosing and it wouldn’t change a damn thing which defeats the point of trying to do something different. It’s the same shit with a different name.
>That was the prologue set 21 years before the story proper
No, that was current Benerit launching vigilante searches for Dawn of Fold and killing innocents.
The issue with that is, again, it’s nothing specifically evil to corporations. If it was more like the prologue where Delling undermined the process of the council to kill a group that could potentially monopolize his war profiteering then people wouldn’t think it was such a moot point but Benerit is literally just the government which is especially apparent when you don’t get to see the difference between Benerit and the actual government which would have helped so much to make it feel like the corporations were bigger and more powerful.
>That doesn’t feel like a corporate thing nor something that they can get away with. It felt more like Delling being a god emperor and nothing to do with him being the head of a corporation or a corporate board. You could literally replace the Benerit group with any goverment
Except it's an issue because they are a corporation and not a government.
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Gee it sure would be nice to see how that mattered outside of SAL suddenly becoming the big bad in the end
>Benerit is literally just the government
It isn't. Benerit is a group of corporations, SAL is the government.
On paper yes but SAL is nonexistent
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If you don't see an issue with a corporation using military violence against other people without any oversight from the government, that's an issue with you.
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I do but that’s just the same brand of government shit with a different name. There is nothing unique outside of calling it something different
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It is different because it's private citizens doing it with zero regard for what public law ordained.
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I get that but it still doesn’t come off as anything more special than it just being the government doing it. It would have been nice to see them going around or paying off SAL to let them but as it stood, they just felt like another government rather than corporations overstepping their authority. That’s my issue with it. I want it to feel more corporate than government cause at it was it was just government but different name
8 months ago
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Corporations sending large scale military level hit squads at the direction of 1 person is overstepping their authority.
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it doesnt mean much when theres no government pushback
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The government being unable to do anything about it shows just how much of an issue a large corporate conglomerate having that much power is.
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Show them not being able to do anything instead of just saying they can’t. Their nonpresence is the issue. If they were there more and they were show to be unable to do shit then you’d be able to see the differences more clearly but since they only show up in the end and as a villain it just doesn’t feel well thought out.
>and yet not much was explored on how corporations are more powerful than governments.
And even then SAL was the final boss so they weren't that powerful in G-Witch.
>I love Code Geass in spite of its flaws, but holy shit is the mecha stuff in that show underwhelming.
He incorporated mecha into the story much better in Valvrave. And the units also looked much better than whatever forgettable designs Code Geass had.
Valvrave went so hard
wish G-Witch could've been more like it
melodramatic but enjoyable due to the combat
I dropped it after the promo episode, the mechs were cool but the premise was so fricking gay
He's not. The show just wasn't able to or didn't properly show the decline of his relationship with his sons. He wasn't perfect given he cheated on his wives, but there's crumbs of evidence that he was a good father until the corpo spiral made him worse
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No, he was definitely a villain that started the show not caring for his kids and only cared about the corporate side of his life and scheming because he couldn't win on his own.
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Did you miss anon saying he spiraled down and we see him afrer he's spiraled and fricked up his relationships or are characters only allowed to be pure evil and pure good with no complicated things like circumstances affecting that?
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There is no spiral, he starts bad.
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In the show? Yes indeed he did anon but characters can have developments they’ve gone trhough before the show to get to the point they were at. Vim cared about his family and his sons deeply which is why Guel was so frustrated with his failure because he’d already seen his father change and wanted to succeed in an attempt to let his father take a break and return to the way he once way.
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>Vim cared about his family and his sons deeply
We never saw anything like that.
8 months ago
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Things can be implied. It wasn’t implied well but by the end of the show and even earlier on Vim’s issue was his overbearing nature when it came to his sons. He trusts Guel when he does well but when he’s struggling he’ll step in, and this is him at his worst. It was unfortunately mostly shown through outside materials but he cared about his sons more than anything.
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>Things can be implied.
It's not implied at all. >mostly shown through outside materials
There is no outside material that shows it either.
8 months ago
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Are you one of those people that can’t handle character you don’t like being seen as anything other than the worst thing ever?
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No, but this is not that. This is you making up things about a character because you like his kid.
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I don’t like any character in WfM. There is concept art of Vim being a sweet and loving father and one of the scenes in end of the show made a point to show that he wanted both Guel and Lauda to succeed and care for each other and that they were a family who looked out for each other. When the show begins and we see him he’s in a bad place hence why when he does die it affects Lauda and Guel the way it does. It’s weird to me that you’d want to strip this show of the little bit of nuance it did have because you either don’t like Guel and don’t want good things to be associated with him or you like Guel and you think Vim slapping him means he’s just outright abusive and hateful.
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Schwarzette's gunpla manual also confirmed Lauda is his heir, meaning he indeed treated both brothers equally even though Lauda was illegitimate and joined the family late. That guy is just moronic, he's probably an /u/ refugee schizo or is simply baiting for easy (You)s.
8 months ago
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>Pretending to like G-Witch yet skipping entire scenes (probably because they don't involve muh lesbians).
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I don’t like any character in WfM. There is concept art of Vim being a sweet and loving father and one of the scenes in end of the show made a point to show that he wanted both Guel and Lauda to succeed and care for each other and that they were a family who looked out for each other. When the show begins and we see him he’s in a bad place hence why when he does die it affects Lauda and Guel the way it does. It’s weird to me that you’d want to strip this show of the little bit of nuance it did have because you either don’t like Guel and don’t want good things to be associated with him or you like Guel and you think Vim slapping him means he’s just outright abusive and hateful.
That scene is about Guel's feelings on Lauda, there isn't anything about Vim in it.
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>there isn't anything about Vim in it.
I didn't know Cinemaphile was a blind-friendly website, based moot caring about disabled people
Are you the same schizo who keeps spamming Calitrash pictures and pretending it's the best Gundam ever made in the G-Witch mech thread? Because your moronic posting style seems familiar
8 months ago
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Vim is in the scene, but there is nothing about him being there that is important, he introduces Lauda to Guel and that's it. The actual character work in the scene is from Guel.
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>There is nothing about him >Vim smiling kindly at Lauda and gently patting him in the shoulder means nothing
You're a moron. No offense intended.
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You’re so close anon. That scene is about the Jeturk family as a whole and how together they’ll heal from the things that hurt them. Vim even acknowledging Lauda as his son on the same level as Guel is a huge step and then purposefully fostering a strong bond between them instead of letting one grow to resent the other is a very big thing for a dude in a world as rutheless as theirs to do. The mothers literally left. Vim being there to help Lauda get adjusted to Guel is part of the point. He wants to see his sons do well.
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>Gives his son 3 chances of not burying the family company >On the last time offers him a change of pace where he'll learn to work at a Subsidiary >Was looking for him till the moment he died
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>Was looking for him till the moment he died
He wasn't, he was scheming with Grassley.
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Vim the Martyr did both, there's no reason to assume his final words before exploding were a lie
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He wasn't a martyr, he was a greedy snake.
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He's barely more Snake-like than Miorine, the only difference is he doesn't pretend it's an accident and feel sorry when his choices lead to people dying. Also, he never attempted to force anyone to work for him, unlike her
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If Jeturk House and the respect Guel's employees have for him are any indication people actually WANT to work for Jeturk unlike the poor Earthlings who were forced to join Miorine's startup funded by her warlord dad.
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>he never attempted to force anyone to work for him
Guel.
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Guel wanted to, he was only mad he couldn’t do it his way
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He didn't, Guel wanted to join Dominicus as a pilot.
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Actually I take it back, I misremembered. Vim wasn’t forcing him to work for him, he wanted to make sure Guel was competent and happy enough doing that before he just let him run off to a different and potentially more snake-like house that might use him. He’s an overprotective father who’s afraid of being left behind by those he cares about.
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>Vim wasn’t forcing him to work for him
No, he was. He was pulling Guel out of school and forcing him to work for him against Guel's wishes.
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Guel wanted to be a pilot and Vim was allowing him the best facilities and suits to foster that. He was trying to help Guel in his own way due to his insecurities.
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No, he was forcing Guel into a job Guel didn't want because Vim felt Guel was embarrassing him.
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>forcing
He wanted to show him the ropes in a subsidiary. This is what most billionaire nepobabies do IRL, by the way.
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No he felt that Guel wasn’t ready for the job that he was trying to get into. Vim wasn’t a good person but he was doing his best to make sure Guel and Lauda were ready when they had to step into their big boy shoes.
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No he felt Guel was embarrassing him so he pulled Guel out of school and tried to ship him off to a desk job that Guel didn't want. The only reason Guel could have come back to the school in season 2 is because Lauda went behind Vim's back.
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Because Guel was obviously struggling. Did you want him to just let Guel continue to flounder at the school after he more than anything, embarrassed himself? Vim was trying to make sure his kid didn’t get bullied.
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>Because Guel was obviously struggling
Only because of Vim. Forcing an AI into his suit when Guel did better without is and kicking Guel out of the house.
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And in the end Guel did better with the AI than without both in his duel with Suletta and his fight with Shaddiq. So who was wrong?
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Guel was struggling way before that my guy did you not watch the show and how the first few episodes were him spiraling down? Vim wanted to help try and give him a semblance of something before he fully stepped into protective father mode
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>Vim wanted to help try and give him
No, Vim was only embarrassed by him.
8 months ago
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You're a broken record, go take a walk outside or something.
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And in the end Vim was proven right because Guell ended up taking charge in S2 while Lauda was being eaten alive by the Peil hags when he was the interim CEO. If anything both of them should have been in the business course from the beginning, but Vim allowed them to pursue what they liked if only for a few years (probably because he used to be a pilot himself too). He wasn't a good dad, but he used to be one. Much better than Sarius and Delling (who forbid his daughter from playing the piano for no reason),
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Delling is an odd case. He listens to Miorine when she’s actually serious about things but she hardly ever asks or talks to him so he doesn’t ever get the chance and when he does approach her she’s always stand offish. He sucks as a parent and the Holder system was stupid but I think it was both Mio and his fault that things were that bad.
Vim on the other hand was invested in what his sons wanted to do and I think regardless of what he wanted, if they actually were passionate and doing well in what they were doing, Vim would have let them pursue it.
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>doesn't pretend it's an accident
Neither does Miorine. >and feel sorry when his choices lead to people dying
So he doesn't care about others and is an butthole.
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Speedwatcher.
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Yeah, no. He kinda starts off as being scheming and conniving from word go. His goal is seeing Delling bite it.
>Guy who, albeit on orders, carries out the brutal massacre in the prologue, and effectively kills the MC's Father in one of the most tragic scenes in the show. >Get's promoted and post timeskip is a higher ranking official taking it easy but now washed up and fat. >When the plot starts moving he ends up getting involved more and more, until he finds himself on the giant super-weapon that exists only because he wasn't thorough and let some survivors escape his mission in the prologue. >Wait, did this sound interesting? Now make his existence completely unregistered to the people he wronged most, and absolutely nothing happens to him, nor does he do anything important.
I don't care if it was supposed to be clever subverting expectations because Prospera never wanted revenge, it was boring. This show barely knew what to do with half it's characters.
Shaddiq died? I thought he was just going to prison?
Also it's a shame that his Anti-Permit device didn't do anything or show up again. I thought they were going to use it in the finale
Not really, just people inferring on his last scene. He admitted to being behind Quiet Zero even if he wasn't involved in it. People just kind of took that as immediate death sentence given how many ppl died during that incident.
It felt a little flat at times and I wish it was "nastier" (which is why the Guel on Earth episodes were so cool) but I enjoyed its take on Gundam and the tightrope of the school youngsters/politicking elders up until the last 3-4 episodes. Felt like it wanted to be longer as around that point it feels like in real time you can feel it completely stopped caring about anything it was putting down.
>Make a transhumanism centric story where a character gets her brain uploaded to a mobile suit and is used as a tool >She ends up trapped in a keychain
Excuse me? This is the sort of thing you'd find in a parody comic. What the frick were they thinking?
>2.If Ad. Stella ever receives new works, should Okouchi, Okamoto, and Kobayashi be kicked out?
I kept arguing about this. I'm all for making sure those three don't touch Ad Stella if it'gets a continuation since they didn't care for the setting THEY created.
Because it's a crime to leave Ad Stella with just WfM. Vanadis Heart may not matter since it'll have to coincide with WfM's ending.
Ideally, to end Ad Stella, the SAL must be dissolved and a new government where all the governments on Earth, the Fronts, and colonies on the Moon, Mercury, and other portions of the Solar System (another thing a continuation can explore) are a part of it and that this government will be harsher on corporations and the power they possess.
He'll just keep doing what he usually does, even with new characters. Not only that, it's not like he'll sue if Ad Stella was continued without him (each Universal Century animated work kept changing hands for starters).
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Ad Stella is just budget Unicorn. Who gives a shit? They didn't. Just go read UC side stories. You'll have a better time reading Ecole Du Ciel where Witch stole its premise from anyways.
>Just go read UC side stories. You'll have a better time reading Ecole Du Ciel where Witch stole its premise from anyways.
UC side stories are obliged to not contradict animated works written from 1979 until 1993, especially on world building and referencing current events.
The Ad Stella hypothetical sequel I advocate for can make references to the Russian Invasion of Ukraine for instance. Sure the original Unicorn novels mentioned thr War on Terror but those weren't animated and they made the novels come off dated.
Whether teenage audiences like it or not, they will have Ukraine in mind for conventional war between two nation-states and an Ad Stella sequel is a perfect avenue to reference the Russo-Ukrainian War.
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>references to the Russian Invasion of Ukraine for instance
... WHY?
Why the everloving frick would somebody want to put political baggage into ANY story they want to write? And why would anybody want to hang themselves with a setting somebody else made and ultimately failed to make good on in their own work? There isn't anything so original about WfM that can't be copied and replicated in a better story.
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The idea of a space-based government dominating over Earth's original for Gundam. Not only that, Ad Stella's the only AU so far to tackle the idea of a colonized Mercury (even if it wasn't depicted in the anime).
As for referencing the war in Ukraine, the only references to it an Ad Stella sequel can go for is those who'd collaborate with the antagonists (a nod to the Donbass secessionists) and how Earth-based resistance fighters (my idea for a sequel would be the antagonists, the descendants of a failed colonization mission invading as revenge for supposedly being forgotten and abandonned after the Drone War ended with Earth as the determined front to force the invaders into an unwinnable quagmire) are receiving weapons from colonies not harmed in the fighting.
8 months ago
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>Why the everloving frick would somebody want to put political baggage into ANY story they want to write?
It's the opposite. Why would anyone want to tell a story on a large scale without borrowing from historical and/or recent context? >UC draws a lot from WWII >SEED takes elements from 9/11 >00 is inspired by the overall Global War On Terror
Ukraine is the big conflict in the news nowadays: revanchist former empire invading a newly independent nation willing to fight them to the end. The Japanese are fascinated by it. Just put it in the hands of a competent writer and you're set.
8 months ago
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>revanchist former empire invading a newly independent nation willing to fight them to the end
It's already the plot of like, three quarters of the Ace Combat series. Just turn plane mecha back into actual mecha and you're set.
8 months ago
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die screaming. the ukraine current thingism is beyond obnoxious. sickening how artificially often it's forced into everywhere and everything but this is just gross. no-one cares besides literal reddedors. real wars aren't like this neverending news-generator distraction bullshit. a real war would have been over in a month, dead everywhere, real combat footage everywhere but this is just so odd and if you can't see it at this point you have an agenda, AI propaganda/mass delusion or you're just fricking moronic. so sick of this fake israelite run """"war"""""
8 months ago
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You've never been alive when the Vietnam War waded around and for the first time media recorded it in its grittiness in real time.
8 months ago
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bot post i swear. like what the frick are you even saying?
8 months ago
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Victory Gundam already did Ukraine. So did the original Gundam.
Ad Stella is just budget Unicorn. Who gives a shit? They didn't. Just go read UC side stories. You'll have a better time reading Ecole Du Ciel where Witch stole its premise from anyways.
>If Bandai only permits 24 episodes, then how would you write the show?
Macross plus but gundam with lots of real robot stuff and some planettes sprinkled on top
>2. If Ad. Stella ever receives new works, should Okouchi, Okamoto, and Kobayashi be kicked out?
Okouchi needs to stay and he needs to be encouraged to be as unhinged as he was with Code Geass and Valvrave. It felt like people were telling him to hold back with WfM. I want pure unfiltered Okouchi insanity.
>1. How much you wanna bet the crew had zero passion on this project?
obviously with lack of everything interesting >2. If Ad. Stella ever receives new works, should Okouchi, Okamoto, and Kobayashi be kicked out?
no, i'd proof read their shit before i give the ok >3. If Bandai only permits 24 episodes, then how would you write the show?
simple, make it about war between earthians and specians while make Mercurians the puppet master of the conflict to get all benefits for their hell environment they had to endure and remove the school setting because frick school.
>simple, make it about war between earthians and specians while make Mercurians the puppet master of the conflict to get all benefits for their hell environment they had to endure and remove the school setting because frick school.
So just make it UC all over again. Why even bother?
We already have UC Gundam, it's the majority of the franchise. AUs are a chance to do something different. You don't have to like what they did but if your idea of 'fixing' it is to just make it a UC clone then you've missed the entire point of the exercise.
G Gundam, and arguably 00 season 1, is the only time they did something different with an AU.
Witch didn't do anything different except for be the first AU that was a fricking lazy ass Unicorn rehash.
I honestly don’t get this point because everything is a rehash of something and WfM being a UC clone that tried to focus on an abused mining colony using the powers that be to stew conflict so that they would be too busy fighing to take advantage of them and following the story of a girl who’s involved as an agent of Mercury but finds herself wanting to break away because she’s found that both spacians and earthians are people rather than this scary image that was put into her head by people’s stories and working to improve relations and stop the fighting between the earthsphere while not letting her planet return to being a mining hell hole devoid of people wouldn’t qualify as just being a UC rehash and would be doing a unique thing based on setting and premise of the protagonist being one of the war profiteers in the beginning. If you see what anon said and think “UC rehash” you’re the one devoid of any imagination or creativity and if you think G-Witch as it is wasn’t aping from UC constantly to the point where it got predictable than I think you’re just someone who doesn’t understand the allure of AUs which is usually taking a different perspective on things, not just being something out of left field to be different.
8 months ago
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Anon for the love of god please learn how to structure a sentence.
8 months ago
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Sorry if you couldn’t follow but that’s how train of thought works when you’re writing stuff out that way. You want me to throw in some commas or periods for you? It’s a run on but it’s just an outline of the idea.
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Anon for the love of god please learn how to structure a sentence.
>First gundam show about Mercury, which no UC work has put any heavy focus on. >Actual show ends up ignoring Mercury completely outside of lip service from the MC and Cradle Planet. >Anon suggests making Mercury actually matter in the show and be relevant to the mc’s motivation.
How the frick is that a UC rehash? If anything the show we got was a rehash with how many unwarranted references they shoved in at every given opportunity.
Oh it's the same anon from an earlier thread that thinks removing "Okouchi, Okamoto, and Kobayashi" is some silver bullet that will make Ad Stella worthwhile
Look, it isn’t possible for Ad. Stella to receive continuations. The problem is convincing the current audience who came for a platonic relationship disguised as yuri and nothing else. And yes, Sulemio is a platonic friendship and I shall die on that hill till the day I eat a milf’s pussy!
Looking back at the show, the elements in it made more sense if it was a documentary where stuff and things just happen without having to explain itself, but that's not the case, things happen in this fictional story because someone made it that way. So when the brown chick does weird flirty shit on screen with no plot relevance for twitter clips or when Eri becomes a keychain or when the cool robots get no screen time before turning into fairy dust, someone made that happen, and I am just not having it.
I’m just gonna say this upfront: Prospera was wasted potential. She had every opportunity to truly shine as one of Gundam’s best villains. Manipulative, intelligent, and frightening one way, yet kind and caring another.
Her ultimate plan being a digital playground for her dead daughter is a fricking joke, and she gets off scot free despite having killed possibly hundreds of people.
This b***h should’ve died in the end, and it’s a fricking mystery why she didn’t.
I don’t suppose anyone got any ideas of what in gods name was Mio’s mother smoking for creating this stupid idea? I mean, Jesus, how hard was it to make a flashback episode?
What obscure plant science was supposed to factor into Quiet Zero anyways? Rajan says that Notrette's botany knowledge played a major factor into it's construction, but I can't tell what that is.
Was it literally just an excuse to put the secret shut down code into a tomato?
>Was it literally just an excuse to put the secret shut down code into a tomato?
A tomato fricking ROUJI analized by chance.
And then Miorine is able to just memorize the entire sequence after seeing it once.
They really weren't thinking a lot about the writing during the final episodes.
Also lol at that guy who keeps defending G-Witch, how embarrassing
>Gee, who should i give the shutdown code to this easily weaponisable magic space vegana i created? >Should i give it to my husband, who is an adult, experienced military man, has plenty of reasources available, and already knew about the project? >No, i'll give it to my daughter, so that way she has to risk her life to go to Quiet Zero in person while its assumingly filled with countless threats to her life.
Gwitch gets worse the harder you think about it
What obscure plant science was supposed to factor into Quiet Zero anyways? Rajan says that Notrette's botany knowledge played a major factor into it's construction, but I can't tell what that is.
Was it literally just an excuse to put the secret shut down code into a tomato?
It wasn't the shutdown code, it was her password. They tried the shutdown code and it didn't work so Miorine used her mother's password to login and change the code then enter it.
That’s even worse when you think about it because it wasn’t even guaranteed Miorine would think that. The entire final parts of the show require you to turn your brain off and clap it’s so sad.
>The entire final parts of the show require you to turn your brain off
They don't.
8 months ago
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You really do
There's no reason why the fat lady's assistant would want to bring most of those kids on the suicide mission, except i guess Chuchu intimidated him into it? Instead of, you know, commandeering it with his space badge and getting more guys like Kenanji on board
There's also no reason why SAL wouldn't arrange for Shaddiq to be killed when he had sensitive information and outlived his usefulness to them
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>he had sensitive information
He didn't. He knew nothing about the connections between Ochs Earth and the SAL and he didn't have knowledge about any of their dealings. The most we were shown him to know is that the Dawn of Fold had gundams but he didn't seem to know more than that.
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I think him knowing that is a lot more important than the other things. Him knowing where they get their gundams and how is pretty fricking damning and in any other au, his imprisonment would be seen as a terrible knock against justice since with him being behind bars and his credibility shot, people wouldn’t find out the truth about the conflict that had been going on for longer than even his lifetime. G-Witch is just a Gundam without any kind of truth to it. There is no justice nor any kind of real concern about the state of affairs outside of what makes the protagonists happy and it’s so much worse for it.
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>Him knowing where they get their gundams and how
But he didn't.
8 months ago
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He knew a food enough approximation that it’d still put them in the hot seat and any further investigation wouldn't’ have been in their favor.
>Was it literally just an excuse to put the secret shut down code into a tomato?
A tomato fricking ROUJI analized by chance.
And then Miorine is able to just memorize the entire sequence after seeing it once.
They really weren't thinking a lot about the writing during the final episodes.
Also lol at that guy who keeps defending G-Witch, how embarrassing
>Password >Shutdown code
Potato, tomato, what's the difference? It's still just a text McGuffin they need to stop the big bad machine.
I still want to know how the frick Quiet Zero is supposed to be based on plants. It's insane how little we were given on Notrette when she's the mother of one of the main characters.
Vim was more interesting and I say this in a completely unironic way.
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Because we knew more about Vim since he had an actual presence in the story from being alive and getting a flashback scene. Notrette got neither of those things, everything we learn about her is word of mouth from other characters.
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There isn't much for Notrette to do other than give exposition in a flashback.
Only a homosexual cucked by his own smoothbrain would say this. Imagine not appreciating wholesome romance between women and a reformation journey for an arrogant moron.
>inspired by
It was more or less an adaptation in the vein of West Side Story, Throne of Blood or Gnomeo and Juliet.
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>Password >Shutdown code
Potato, tomato, what's the difference? It's still just a text McGuffin they need to stop the big bad machine.
I still want to know how the frick Quiet Zero is supposed to be based on plants. It's insane how little we were given on Notrette when she's the mother of one of the main characters.
>Potato, tomato, what's the difference?
My potatoes grew tomatoes this year so I'd venture very little.
Notrette helping out Miorine with QZ doesn't come off as that emotionally heavy anyway since she was always implied to be a good mother on good terms with Miorine. But the show treats the hidden code like it's something profound.
Still better than the "resolution" Delling got i suppose. I can't believe they managed to make Sergei and Andrei's dynamic but worse
You know for as much as Yurigays cream themselves over the subtlety of Suletta squashing a man or telling the audience that her character has finally developed they are very inept at noticing any cursory details that don't have a glaring spotlight shone on them
From Vim's POV >Guel loses his status as holder after getting into a stupid duel >Mistreats an engineer who was just doing his job >Gets into ANOTHER stupid duel for a girl that doesn't care about him, loses >At this point he's acting like a spoiled brat so he gets kicked out >Comes up with another plan to kill Delling >Tells him to pull out and that he'll show him how he does business in a subsidiary >Guel runs away
The first slap was undeserved though.
>Guel loses his status as holder after
And Vim was upset because it interfered with his plans to kill Deiling and absorb his business. Vim only cared about his corporate backstabbing.
Sarius was quick to remind Shaddiq of his position the moment he suspected him of being a terrorist, did you forget? Try to pay attention to the scenes that don't involve Sulemio, I know it's hard but I think you can do it.
It’s not making shit up. Are you forgetting the concept arts up thread and the way he treats Lauda compared to how most illegitimate bastards are treated?
The concept of 'war partitioning' isn't even all that complex, it just seems like Sunrise went out of their way to explain it in the most baffling ways possible.
They agree to divy up the sides in wars between companies within the Benerit group and limit the scale of what they'll sell to stop them from being too devastating or too decisive.
Done.
I feel like everything after the prologue was generated by AI that was given a prompt like "Gundam, Shakespeare, LGBTQ+, school setting". I recently tried a story generation chatbot that you need a Japanese IP to access. You'd be surprised at the plots some specialized chatbots trained on manga and anime can come up with. It's indistinguishable from the stuff that actually gets made
>I recently tried a story generation chatbot that you need a Japanese IP to access. You'd be surprised at the plots some specialized chatbots trained on manga and anime can come up with. It's indistinguishable from the stuff that actually gets made
I'm not surprised in the slightest. Just feed the bot on Syosetu's garbage and you're halfway there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shōsetsuka_ni_Narō
nah, Age was worse, at least this shit was half as long
OG Divers is the worst
Only a Vagan would say this.
Divers is head and shoulders above g-witch
No, divers is actual garbage. G-witch is far above it.
Kys
Divers was the best entry since Seed Destiny easily.
No, divers is the worst, bar none.
>Thinking Divers is bad when it has better writing than WfM
It doesn't, that proves divers is the worst.
I would say Divers is just kinda boring and it's got lame pacing. It takes forever to really build up to anything and then it ramps back down and takes forever to get going again. All the side characters are fun at least. Rommel deserved his own show.
I wanted something more like .hack and Re:Rise hit that a bit better. The main protagonists are a bit more interesting and varied in my opinion.
Try is the weakest Build show by a country mile.
As far as a "main" Gundam show goes, IBO or AGE were both pretty meh to me. Lots of interesting ideas in them. And I quite like the mechanical designs. But IBO winds up never making good on a lot of the more interesting aspects of the setting and AGE drops the ball hard during that final arc. Mikazuki is also just the most uninteresting take on the "cold child soldier" type imaginable. Like Heero or Setsuna without any of their charm.
That’s still Gundam Age and stop replying to bad threads. Gundam Witch is boring ass garbage unless you are a shipper but at least it doesn’t insult as much as Gundam Age.
I feel more insulted sitting through Witch than I did when I watched through AGE
And yet you still keep posting it.
Better than SEED, Age, 0079, and IBO
lol no. it might be better than g-saviour, i'll give it that
Did I hate Suletta as much as I hated Kira? No.
Thus, G-Witch is better than SEED.
>letting Kira seethe and squat in your mind.
NGMI
Suletta is the modern Kira but not even as popular as him
True. Too many girls, too many feelings, and I felt kind of emasculated after finishing it. Gundam is for true men who brood about the ethics of war. UC or die.
The literal keystone to Gundam is having your feelings emanate from your fricking Robot and being felt by others.
the whole canon is about being able to be a fricking empath for others feelings.
There is a lot of that going around. It is like the morons that b***h about idolshit in Macross.
You feel emasculated by anything
>Gundam is for true men who brood about the ethics of war.
KEK no it isn't. It's for woke trannies to b***h about how "war is...le bad XD" because it was made by and caters exclusively to morons who think star wars was a cinematic masterpiece. What you're looking for is Robot Jox newbie.
Stop it with your bullshit. It's not going to happen.
I bet you're the kind of dipshit that says "tranime" unironically.
>"It's not going to happen"
>troon proceeds to prove otherwise
KWAB
It's (You) forcing that crap on the board. Or you think people are stupid?
anime is 99% the reason you trannies exist in the first place, so I have no regrets in hating it.
Iron Menstruation, Hathaway's Trash, Gundam-san, First Impression, and Twilight Asses say otherwise. Still near the bottom though.
I don't get swhy people keep bringing Twilight axis when it's mostly a short to do ads for the book + literally was made by a single person doing all the storyboard, animation, direction and even directing the dub.
>was made by a single person doing all the storyboard, animation, direction and even directing the dub.
First I heard of this.
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=19396
According to ANN, Se Jun Kim is credited for direction, script, key animation, mechanical design, character design, and over animation direction duties. However a ton of smaller companies did contribute for in-between and finishing animation.
well shit that's actually impressive. Maybe TA isn't as bad when you take that into account.
Why would any of that not mean it's worse than WFM?
I dont think you can really say one guys work is worse than the thing a ton of people worked on. That one dude did what he could, WfM crew had all the resources and time they needed but still produced something on the same level as one guy and some outsourced studios
If anything, outsourcing the work to 16 different companies sounds like they had enough money and time to throw around to ensure the one guy didn't have to work himself to the bone, but it does mean he has a lot of tasks to coordinate and put together into a cohesive final package.
That's not much money though when you consider how cheap outsourcing is compared to in house. G-Witch had more time and effort because more high value assets werr allocated to it compared to just throwing money at whatever studios would bite to help finish a project.
Surely not, if we count build series.
>Thinking Build is bad
blatant toy commercials marketed towards people under the age of 12, are indeed shit.
That's literally the whole fricking point of Gundam. The whole series is a way to market Japanese Bionicles to children.
they were subtle about it before buildshit though
No they weren't. Gunpla fighting and build media has been around since the fricking 80s. Build Fighters is like the fifth time they did it and the second anime.
haahahahha
Man, WfM has shown that there are so many secondaries it's barely funny.
yes, that's why it's good. just let people make their OC gundam and just duke it out for fun is why build gundam is leagues better than whatever b***h from mercury was trying to do.
man this shit makes worry this about the future of the franchise, it tried appealing to the worst type of fan. it has piss poor writing and characters and lame mechs. at least we have Hathaway 2 coming out eventually
The usual template opinion. People have been saying this since the 90s and it hasn't worked. Chances are, you found out about this franchise yourself from some non-UC like Wing which has the same criticisms.
It's inevitable that Bandai Namco would look to newer pastures to keep Gundam relevant as a franchise. The production team just didn't care for WfM as a Gundam story.
My biggest concern more than anything is how embarrased G-Witch felt to be a Gundam show.
It feels like it was written by one of those "I don't watch toy commercials, I watch REAL mecha shows like Evangelion and Gurren Lagann!" people.
Guess that makes sense given it was written by Okouchi. I love Code Geass in spite of its flaws, but holy shit is the mecha stuff in that show underwhelming. Didn't help that 90% of the Knightmare Frames have some of the weakest Real Robot designs I've seen in an anime.
What if Urobutcher handled G-Witch instead?
So much death
so a vast improvement
I don't think he would be interested in writing a Gundam story in the first place. He seems more like a tokusatsu/kaiju guy. Whatever little work he's done on Gargantia and A/Z, they were primarily SoL/war drama, with the mecha being an afterthought. A Gundam show needs the Gundam to shine - not be a prop that could be replaced with a grunt.
>they were primarily SoL/war drama
Sounds like gbitch.
>He seems more like a tokusatsu/kaiju guy
what if he makes gundam show about kaijus?
>It feels like it was written by one of those "I don't watch toy commercials, I watch REAL mecha shows like Evangelion and Gurren Lagann!" people.
That's exactly it. Modern-day audiences, particularly teenagers, don't seem to appreciate war stories with mecha. Maybe the War in Ukraine will change that?
I mean, the production team tried to use unchecked corporate greed because Takuya Okamoto claimed war stories didn't appeal to teenagers (https://www.zeonic-republic.net/?page_id=9814) and yet not much was explored on how corporations are more powerful than governments.
>and yet not much was explored on how corporations are more powerful than governments
Except how Benerit launched dozens of hit squads and killed 1526 innocents in search of others and the government did nothing about it.
That was the prologue set 21 years before the story proper. Sure the SAL learned from Vanadis but once season 2 happened, everything but Suletta X Miorine was rushed.
Hence the arguments about WfM needing more than 25 episodes: you introduce story arcs and if you rush them to focus on the yuri romance, why bother introducing stuff like corporations being more powerful than governments?
>That was the prologue set 21 years before the story proper
No, that was current Benerit launching vigilante searches for Dawn of Fold and killing innocents.
Ah. But that was one episode and like I said, they rushed the implications of what happened (we don't see more of Guel learning how bad Earthians have it because when Guel reappeared two episodes after that, he managed to reach Asticassia without a single scratch).
I don't think Spacians have a problem with the Earthians, they're just free what ever they want.
They kinda don't want them within breathing distance.
And that's one thing I noticed with the Earthian-Spacian divide: why the need to treat them as less than human?
That doesn’t feel like a corporate thing nor something that they can get away with. It felt more like Delling being a god emperor and nothing to do with him being the head of a corporation or a corporate board. You could literally replace the Benerit group with any goverment of your choosing and it wouldn’t change a damn thing which defeats the point of trying to do something different. It’s the same shit with a different name.
The issue with that is, again, it’s nothing specifically evil to corporations. If it was more like the prologue where Delling undermined the process of the council to kill a group that could potentially monopolize his war profiteering then people wouldn’t think it was such a moot point but Benerit is literally just the government which is especially apparent when you don’t get to see the difference between Benerit and the actual government which would have helped so much to make it feel like the corporations were bigger and more powerful.
>That doesn’t feel like a corporate thing nor something that they can get away with. It felt more like Delling being a god emperor and nothing to do with him being the head of a corporation or a corporate board. You could literally replace the Benerit group with any goverment
Except it's an issue because they are a corporation and not a government.
Gee it sure would be nice to see how that mattered outside of SAL suddenly becoming the big bad in the end
On paper yes but SAL is nonexistent
If you don't see an issue with a corporation using military violence against other people without any oversight from the government, that's an issue with you.
I do but that’s just the same brand of government shit with a different name. There is nothing unique outside of calling it something different
It is different because it's private citizens doing it with zero regard for what public law ordained.
I get that but it still doesn’t come off as anything more special than it just being the government doing it. It would have been nice to see them going around or paying off SAL to let them but as it stood, they just felt like another government rather than corporations overstepping their authority. That’s my issue with it. I want it to feel more corporate than government cause at it was it was just government but different name
Corporations sending large scale military level hit squads at the direction of 1 person is overstepping their authority.
it doesnt mean much when theres no government pushback
The government being unable to do anything about it shows just how much of an issue a large corporate conglomerate having that much power is.
Show them not being able to do anything instead of just saying they can’t. Their nonpresence is the issue. If they were there more and they were show to be unable to do shit then you’d be able to see the differences more clearly but since they only show up in the end and as a villain it just doesn’t feel well thought out.
>Benerit is literally just the government
It isn't. Benerit is a group of corporations, SAL is the government.
>and yet not much was explored on how corporations are more powerful than governments.
And even then SAL was the final boss so they weren't that powerful in G-Witch.
>I love Code Geass in spite of its flaws, but holy shit is the mecha stuff in that show underwhelming.
He incorporated mecha into the story much better in Valvrave. And the units also looked much better than whatever forgettable designs Code Geass had.
Valvrave went so hard
wish G-Witch could've been more like it
melodramatic but enjoyable due to the combat
I dropped it after the promo episode, the mechs were cool but the premise was so fricking gay
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The students died.
No one named other than antagonists died
None of the antagonists died besides Shaddiq offscreen and Vim who I think is supposed to be morally grey
Vim was definitely a villain.
His most evil actions was attempting to kill another "villain" and having a troubled but not too troubled relationship with his son
He's not. The show just wasn't able to or didn't properly show the decline of his relationship with his sons. He wasn't perfect given he cheated on his wives, but there's crumbs of evidence that he was a good father until the corpo spiral made him worse
No, he was definitely a villain that started the show not caring for his kids and only cared about the corporate side of his life and scheming because he couldn't win on his own.
Did you miss anon saying he spiraled down and we see him afrer he's spiraled and fricked up his relationships or are characters only allowed to be pure evil and pure good with no complicated things like circumstances affecting that?
There is no spiral, he starts bad.
In the show? Yes indeed he did anon but characters can have developments they’ve gone trhough before the show to get to the point they were at. Vim cared about his family and his sons deeply which is why Guel was so frustrated with his failure because he’d already seen his father change and wanted to succeed in an attempt to let his father take a break and return to the way he once way.
>Vim cared about his family and his sons deeply
We never saw anything like that.
Things can be implied. It wasn’t implied well but by the end of the show and even earlier on Vim’s issue was his overbearing nature when it came to his sons. He trusts Guel when he does well but when he’s struggling he’ll step in, and this is him at his worst. It was unfortunately mostly shown through outside materials but he cared about his sons more than anything.
>Things can be implied.
It's not implied at all.
>mostly shown through outside materials
There is no outside material that shows it either.
Are you one of those people that can’t handle character you don’t like being seen as anything other than the worst thing ever?
No, but this is not that. This is you making up things about a character because you like his kid.
I don’t like any character in WfM. There is concept art of Vim being a sweet and loving father and one of the scenes in end of the show made a point to show that he wanted both Guel and Lauda to succeed and care for each other and that they were a family who looked out for each other. When the show begins and we see him he’s in a bad place hence why when he does die it affects Lauda and Guel the way it does. It’s weird to me that you’d want to strip this show of the little bit of nuance it did have because you either don’t like Guel and don’t want good things to be associated with him or you like Guel and you think Vim slapping him means he’s just outright abusive and hateful.
Schwarzette's gunpla manual also confirmed Lauda is his heir, meaning he indeed treated both brothers equally even though Lauda was illegitimate and joined the family late. That guy is just moronic, he's probably an /u/ refugee schizo or is simply baiting for easy (You)s.
>Pretending to like G-Witch yet skipping entire scenes (probably because they don't involve muh lesbians).
That scene is about Guel's feelings on Lauda, there isn't anything about Vim in it.
>there isn't anything about Vim in it.
I didn't know Cinemaphile was a blind-friendly website, based moot caring about disabled people
Are you the same schizo who keeps spamming Calitrash pictures and pretending it's the best Gundam ever made in the G-Witch mech thread? Because your moronic posting style seems familiar
Vim is in the scene, but there is nothing about him being there that is important, he introduces Lauda to Guel and that's it. The actual character work in the scene is from Guel.
>There is nothing about him
>Vim smiling kindly at Lauda and gently patting him in the shoulder means nothing
You're a moron. No offense intended.
You’re so close anon. That scene is about the Jeturk family as a whole and how together they’ll heal from the things that hurt them. Vim even acknowledging Lauda as his son on the same level as Guel is a huge step and then purposefully fostering a strong bond between them instead of letting one grow to resent the other is a very big thing for a dude in a world as rutheless as theirs to do. The mothers literally left. Vim being there to help Lauda get adjusted to Guel is part of the point. He wants to see his sons do well.
>Gives his son 3 chances of not burying the family company
>On the last time offers him a change of pace where he'll learn to work at a Subsidiary
>Was looking for him till the moment he died
>Was looking for him till the moment he died
He wasn't, he was scheming with Grassley.
Vim the Martyr did both, there's no reason to assume his final words before exploding were a lie
He wasn't a martyr, he was a greedy snake.
He's barely more Snake-like than Miorine, the only difference is he doesn't pretend it's an accident and feel sorry when his choices lead to people dying. Also, he never attempted to force anyone to work for him, unlike her
If Jeturk House and the respect Guel's employees have for him are any indication people actually WANT to work for Jeturk unlike the poor Earthlings who were forced to join Miorine's startup funded by her warlord dad.
>he never attempted to force anyone to work for him
Guel.
Guel wanted to, he was only mad he couldn’t do it his way
He didn't, Guel wanted to join Dominicus as a pilot.
Actually I take it back, I misremembered. Vim wasn’t forcing him to work for him, he wanted to make sure Guel was competent and happy enough doing that before he just let him run off to a different and potentially more snake-like house that might use him. He’s an overprotective father who’s afraid of being left behind by those he cares about.
>Vim wasn’t forcing him to work for him
No, he was. He was pulling Guel out of school and forcing him to work for him against Guel's wishes.
Guel wanted to be a pilot and Vim was allowing him the best facilities and suits to foster that. He was trying to help Guel in his own way due to his insecurities.
No, he was forcing Guel into a job Guel didn't want because Vim felt Guel was embarrassing him.
>forcing
He wanted to show him the ropes in a subsidiary. This is what most billionaire nepobabies do IRL, by the way.
No he felt that Guel wasn’t ready for the job that he was trying to get into. Vim wasn’t a good person but he was doing his best to make sure Guel and Lauda were ready when they had to step into their big boy shoes.
No he felt Guel was embarrassing him so he pulled Guel out of school and tried to ship him off to a desk job that Guel didn't want. The only reason Guel could have come back to the school in season 2 is because Lauda went behind Vim's back.
Because Guel was obviously struggling. Did you want him to just let Guel continue to flounder at the school after he more than anything, embarrassed himself? Vim was trying to make sure his kid didn’t get bullied.
>Because Guel was obviously struggling
Only because of Vim. Forcing an AI into his suit when Guel did better without is and kicking Guel out of the house.
And in the end Guel did better with the AI than without both in his duel with Suletta and his fight with Shaddiq. So who was wrong?
Guel was struggling way before that my guy did you not watch the show and how the first few episodes were him spiraling down? Vim wanted to help try and give him a semblance of something before he fully stepped into protective father mode
>Vim wanted to help try and give him
No, Vim was only embarrassed by him.
You're a broken record, go take a walk outside or something.
And in the end Vim was proven right because Guell ended up taking charge in S2 while Lauda was being eaten alive by the Peil hags when he was the interim CEO. If anything both of them should have been in the business course from the beginning, but Vim allowed them to pursue what they liked if only for a few years (probably because he used to be a pilot himself too). He wasn't a good dad, but he used to be one. Much better than Sarius and Delling (who forbid his daughter from playing the piano for no reason),
Delling is an odd case. He listens to Miorine when she’s actually serious about things but she hardly ever asks or talks to him so he doesn’t ever get the chance and when he does approach her she’s always stand offish. He sucks as a parent and the Holder system was stupid but I think it was both Mio and his fault that things were that bad.
Vim on the other hand was invested in what his sons wanted to do and I think regardless of what he wanted, if they actually were passionate and doing well in what they were doing, Vim would have let them pursue it.
>doesn't pretend it's an accident
Neither does Miorine.
>and feel sorry when his choices lead to people dying
So he doesn't care about others and is an butthole.
Speedwatcher.
Yeah, no. He kinda starts off as being scheming and conniving from word go. His goal is seeing Delling bite it.
Wish they killed Kenanji.
>Guy who, albeit on orders, carries out the brutal massacre in the prologue, and effectively kills the MC's Father in one of the most tragic scenes in the show.
>Get's promoted and post timeskip is a higher ranking official taking it easy but now washed up and fat.
>When the plot starts moving he ends up getting involved more and more, until he finds himself on the giant super-weapon that exists only because he wasn't thorough and let some survivors escape his mission in the prologue.
>Wait, did this sound interesting? Now make his existence completely unregistered to the people he wronged most, and absolutely nothing happens to him, nor does he do anything important.
I don't care if it was supposed to be clever subverting expectations because Prospera never wanted revenge, it was boring. This show barely knew what to do with half it's characters.
Kenanji did nothing wrong.
Shaddiq died? I thought he was just going to prison?
Also it's a shame that his Anti-Permit device didn't do anything or show up again. I thought they were going to use it in the finale
Not really, just people inferring on his last scene. He admitted to being behind Quiet Zero even if he wasn't involved in it. People just kind of took that as immediate death sentence given how many ppl died during that incident.
Meanwhile Elnora got to retire to earth
Yes, not even a question.
It's bad but nowhere near as bad as Reconquista, ZZ or G-Savior.
>Reconguista
No.
Ah yes, the legendary filtered poster.
G-reco is top 5 Gundam you idiot
G_Witch still got more profit than that.
Thanks for admitting Gundam Seed Destiny is one of the best Gundam series in the franchise.
Bitch, G-reco is the greatest shit ever created. I wanna bathe in the G-self’s oil to feel more connected to it.
its about as good as ZZ
But none of those are bad?
>ZZ
>Uh, permet?
>Uh, gund-arm?
>Uh, prosthetic limbs?
All irrelevant LOL
Definitely the most boring one. Even SEED Destiny, while derailing hard and being plagued by recaps, was at least entertaining.
I think I glazed my eyes more on IBO S2, but this one certainly is a real contender.
Gwitch isn't really bad, but it's generic. Huge missed opportunities with it's lore.
Ad Stellla is much better used in Vanadis Heart
You’re not wrong.
>Bandai decides to go full moron and try their own version of Lucasfilm’s the Force is Female, but somehow worse.
Almost every aspect of Gwitch felt like it was ticking off an item on a list rather than actual passion
Especially the forced references like the fencing duel in s2
It felt a little flat at times and I wish it was "nastier" (which is why the Guel on Earth episodes were so cool) but I enjoyed its take on Gundam and the tightrope of the school youngsters/politicking elders up until the last 3-4 episodes. Felt like it wanted to be longer as around that point it feels like in real time you can feel it completely stopped caring about anything it was putting down.
The show in general feels like it's supposed to be experienced through 30 second clips on twitter and fanart rather than actually being watched.
>Make a transhumanism centric story where a character gets her brain uploaded to a mobile suit and is used as a tool
>She ends up trapped in a keychain
Excuse me? This is the sort of thing you'd find in a parody comic. What the frick were they thinking?
SEED, Destiny, Try, and Divers were all worse.
Wrong.
Alright, boys. Three questions for the board!
1. How much you wanna bet the crew had zero passion on this project?
2. If Ad. Stella ever receives new works, should Okouchi, Okamoto, and Kobayashi be kicked out?
3. If Bandai only permits 24 episodes, then how would you write the show?
>2.If Ad. Stella ever receives new works, should Okouchi, Okamoto, and Kobayashi be kicked out?
I kept arguing about this. I'm all for making sure those three don't touch Ad Stella if it'gets a continuation since they didn't care for the setting THEY created.
If they didn’t care for it why should someone else? Don’t saddle a new creator with this abortion of an AU. Let them make their own thing.
Because it's a crime to leave Ad Stella with just WfM. Vanadis Heart may not matter since it'll have to coincide with WfM's ending.
Ideally, to end Ad Stella, the SAL must be dissolved and a new government where all the governments on Earth, the Fronts, and colonies on the Moon, Mercury, and other portions of the Solar System (another thing a continuation can explore) are a part of it and that this government will be harsher on corporations and the power they possess.
Then have Okuchi do it. Stop trying to make someone else fix his mess.
He'll just keep doing what he usually does, even with new characters. Not only that, it's not like he'll sue if Ad Stella was continued without him (each Universal Century animated work kept changing hands for starters).
>Just go read UC side stories. You'll have a better time reading Ecole Du Ciel where Witch stole its premise from anyways.
UC side stories are obliged to not contradict animated works written from 1979 until 1993, especially on world building and referencing current events.
The Ad Stella hypothetical sequel I advocate for can make references to the Russian Invasion of Ukraine for instance. Sure the original Unicorn novels mentioned thr War on Terror but those weren't animated and they made the novels come off dated.
Whether teenage audiences like it or not, they will have Ukraine in mind for conventional war between two nation-states and an Ad Stella sequel is a perfect avenue to reference the Russo-Ukrainian War.
>references to the Russian Invasion of Ukraine for instance
... WHY?
Why the everloving frick would somebody want to put political baggage into ANY story they want to write? And why would anybody want to hang themselves with a setting somebody else made and ultimately failed to make good on in their own work? There isn't anything so original about WfM that can't be copied and replicated in a better story.
The idea of a space-based government dominating over Earth's original for Gundam. Not only that, Ad Stella's the only AU so far to tackle the idea of a colonized Mercury (even if it wasn't depicted in the anime).
As for referencing the war in Ukraine, the only references to it an Ad Stella sequel can go for is those who'd collaborate with the antagonists (a nod to the Donbass secessionists) and how Earth-based resistance fighters (my idea for a sequel would be the antagonists, the descendants of a failed colonization mission invading as revenge for supposedly being forgotten and abandonned after the Drone War ended with Earth as the determined front to force the invaders into an unwinnable quagmire) are receiving weapons from colonies not harmed in the fighting.
>Why the everloving frick would somebody want to put political baggage into ANY story they want to write?
It's the opposite. Why would anyone want to tell a story on a large scale without borrowing from historical and/or recent context?
>UC draws a lot from WWII
>SEED takes elements from 9/11
>00 is inspired by the overall Global War On Terror
Ukraine is the big conflict in the news nowadays: revanchist former empire invading a newly independent nation willing to fight them to the end. The Japanese are fascinated by it. Just put it in the hands of a competent writer and you're set.
>revanchist former empire invading a newly independent nation willing to fight them to the end
It's already the plot of like, three quarters of the Ace Combat series. Just turn plane mecha back into actual mecha and you're set.
die screaming. the ukraine current thingism is beyond obnoxious. sickening how artificially often it's forced into everywhere and everything but this is just gross. no-one cares besides literal reddedors. real wars aren't like this neverending news-generator distraction bullshit. a real war would have been over in a month, dead everywhere, real combat footage everywhere but this is just so odd and if you can't see it at this point you have an agenda, AI propaganda/mass delusion or you're just fricking moronic. so sick of this fake israelite run """"war"""""
You've never been alive when the Vietnam War waded around and for the first time media recorded it in its grittiness in real time.
bot post i swear. like what the frick are you even saying?
Victory Gundam already did Ukraine. So did the original Gundam.
>all the governments on Earth, the Fronts, and colonies on the Moon, Mercury, and other portions of the Solar System are a part of it
That's the SAL.
SAL's domain are the Fronts. What do you think the S stands for?
They care more about the fronts but they have domain over the earth as well.
Ad Stella is just budget Unicorn. Who gives a shit? They didn't. Just go read UC side stories. You'll have a better time reading Ecole Du Ciel where Witch stole its premise from anyways.
they already have nothing to do with the manga and the story + worldbuilding is much more interesting, focus on Earth and medical technology
>If Bandai only permits 24 episodes, then how would you write the show?
Macross plus but gundam with lots of real robot stuff and some planettes sprinkled on top
>2. If Ad. Stella ever receives new works, should Okouchi, Okamoto, and Kobayashi be kicked out?
Okouchi needs to stay and he needs to be encouraged to be as unhinged as he was with Code Geass and Valvrave. It felt like people were telling him to hold back with WfM. I want pure unfiltered Okouchi insanity.
>episode 1 of Gwitch 2
>Suletta gets raped Kiki style
>1. How much you wanna bet the crew had zero passion on this project?
obviously with lack of everything interesting
>2. If Ad. Stella ever receives new works, should Okouchi, Okamoto, and Kobayashi be kicked out?
no, i'd proof read their shit before i give the ok
>3. If Bandai only permits 24 episodes, then how would you write the show?
simple, make it about war between earthians and specians while make Mercurians the puppet master of the conflict to get all benefits for their hell environment they had to endure and remove the school setting because frick school.
>simple, make it about war between earthians and specians while make Mercurians the puppet master of the conflict to get all benefits for their hell environment they had to endure and remove the school setting because frick school.
So just make it UC all over again. Why even bother?
because it's a gundam show? you actually like WfM's plot?
If you're going to make an AU, make it yooniq gayget. See G.
We already have UC Gundam, it's the majority of the franchise. AUs are a chance to do something different. You don't have to like what they did but if your idea of 'fixing' it is to just make it a UC clone then you've missed the entire point of the exercise.
G Gundam, and arguably 00 season 1, is the only time they did something different with an AU.
Witch didn't do anything different except for be the first AU that was a fricking lazy ass Unicorn rehash.
I honestly don’t get this point because everything is a rehash of something and WfM being a UC clone that tried to focus on an abused mining colony using the powers that be to stew conflict so that they would be too busy fighing to take advantage of them and following the story of a girl who’s involved as an agent of Mercury but finds herself wanting to break away because she’s found that both spacians and earthians are people rather than this scary image that was put into her head by people’s stories and working to improve relations and stop the fighting between the earthsphere while not letting her planet return to being a mining hell hole devoid of people wouldn’t qualify as just being a UC rehash and would be doing a unique thing based on setting and premise of the protagonist being one of the war profiteers in the beginning. If you see what anon said and think “UC rehash” you’re the one devoid of any imagination or creativity and if you think G-Witch as it is wasn’t aping from UC constantly to the point where it got predictable than I think you’re just someone who doesn’t understand the allure of AUs which is usually taking a different perspective on things, not just being something out of left field to be different.
Anon for the love of god please learn how to structure a sentence.
Sorry if you couldn’t follow but that’s how train of thought works when you’re writing stuff out that way. You want me to throw in some commas or periods for you? It’s a run on but it’s just an outline of the idea.
>First gundam show about Mercury, which no UC work has put any heavy focus on.
>Actual show ends up ignoring Mercury completely outside of lip service from the MC and Cradle Planet.
>Anon suggests making Mercury actually matter in the show and be relevant to the mc’s motivation.
How the frick is that a UC rehash? If anything the show we got was a rehash with how many unwarranted references they shoved in at every given opportunity.
Oh it's the same anon from an earlier thread that thinks removing "Okouchi, Okamoto, and Kobayashi" is some silver bullet that will make Ad Stella worthwhile
Okay then, genius. How would you fix Ad. Stella? Question 3’s still pending.
I would never make it since its premise is already bankrupt
Look, it isn’t possible for Ad. Stella to receive continuations. The problem is convincing the current audience who came for a platonic relationship disguised as yuri and nothing else. And yes, Sulemio is a platonic friendship and I shall die on that hill till the day I eat a milf’s pussy!
Frick no it's IBO.
>$10 says this show was Bandai wanting ESG Score money from Blackrock
Age had better world building and fights.
IBO, Wing, and ZZ are worse, but not by much.
Looking back at the show, the elements in it made more sense if it was a documentary where stuff and things just happen without having to explain itself, but that's not the case, things happen in this fictional story because someone made it that way. So when the brown chick does weird flirty shit on screen with no plot relevance for twitter clips or when Eri becomes a keychain or when the cool robots get no screen time before turning into fairy dust, someone made that happen, and I am just not having it.
Wait we like G-Reco now? When did the council decide this?
It's the /m/ cycle of hate. Hate new thing and turn around and praise old thing that was previously hated, rinse and repeat.
So, /m/enstration cycles
I always liked it though, if you were filtered don't try to blame the board.
heh my boy Grecoz.... he just needed more time.... to be liked more....
Tomino fans always liked it, everyone else didn't, besides visuals.
They finally watched it thanks to the movies and now like it. They didn't watch it the first time because ANN told them to hate it.
Someone please make chud/basedjak edits of Suletta and the white haired one.
I’m just gonna say this upfront: Prospera was wasted potential. She had every opportunity to truly shine as one of Gundam’s best villains. Manipulative, intelligent, and frightening one way, yet kind and caring another.
Her ultimate plan being a digital playground for her dead daughter is a fricking joke, and she gets off scot free despite having killed possibly hundreds of people.
This b***h should’ve died in the end, and it’s a fricking mystery why she didn’t.
I don’t suppose anyone got any ideas of what in gods name was Mio’s mother smoking for creating this stupid idea? I mean, Jesus, how hard was it to make a flashback episode?
What obscure plant science was supposed to factor into Quiet Zero anyways? Rajan says that Notrette's botany knowledge played a major factor into it's construction, but I can't tell what that is.
Was it literally just an excuse to put the secret shut down code into a tomato?
>Was it literally just an excuse to put the secret shut down code into a tomato?
A tomato fricking ROUJI analized by chance.
And then Miorine is able to just memorize the entire sequence after seeing it once.
They really weren't thinking a lot about the writing during the final episodes.
Also lol at that guy who keeps defending G-Witch, how embarrassing
It's worth defending.
Frick off
No.
>Was it literally just an excuse to put the secret shut down code into a tomato?
a shut code inside a vegetable?
>Gee, who should i give the shutdown code to this easily weaponisable magic space vegana i created?
>Should i give it to my husband, who is an adult, experienced military man, has plenty of reasources available, and already knew about the project?
>No, i'll give it to my daughter, so that way she has to risk her life to go to Quiet Zero in person while its assumingly filled with countless threats to her life.
Gwitch gets worse the harder you think about it
It wasn't the shutdown code, it was her password. They tried the shutdown code and it didn't work so Miorine used her mother's password to login and change the code then enter it.
That’s even worse when you think about it because it wasn’t even guaranteed Miorine would think that. The entire final parts of the show require you to turn your brain off and clap it’s so sad.
>The entire final parts of the show require you to turn your brain off
They don't.
You really do
There's no reason why the fat lady's assistant would want to bring most of those kids on the suicide mission, except i guess Chuchu intimidated him into it? Instead of, you know, commandeering it with his space badge and getting more guys like Kenanji on board
There's also no reason why SAL wouldn't arrange for Shaddiq to be killed when he had sensitive information and outlived his usefulness to them
>he had sensitive information
He didn't. He knew nothing about the connections between Ochs Earth and the SAL and he didn't have knowledge about any of their dealings. The most we were shown him to know is that the Dawn of Fold had gundams but he didn't seem to know more than that.
I think him knowing that is a lot more important than the other things. Him knowing where they get their gundams and how is pretty fricking damning and in any other au, his imprisonment would be seen as a terrible knock against justice since with him being behind bars and his credibility shot, people wouldn’t find out the truth about the conflict that had been going on for longer than even his lifetime. G-Witch is just a Gundam without any kind of truth to it. There is no justice nor any kind of real concern about the state of affairs outside of what makes the protagonists happy and it’s so much worse for it.
>Him knowing where they get their gundams and how
But he didn't.
He knew a food enough approximation that it’d still put them in the hot seat and any further investigation wouldn't’ have been in their favor.
functionally speaking that's no different
Do you make your passwords easy for others to find?
>Password
>Shutdown code
Potato, tomato, what's the difference? It's still just a text McGuffin they need to stop the big bad machine.
I still want to know how the frick Quiet Zero is supposed to be based on plants. It's insane how little we were given on Notrette when she's the mother of one of the main characters.
Vim was more interesting and I say this in a completely unironic way.
Because we knew more about Vim since he had an actual presence in the story from being alive and getting a flashback scene. Notrette got neither of those things, everything we learn about her is word of mouth from other characters.
There isn't much for Notrette to do other than give exposition in a flashback.
Only a homosexual cucked by his own smoothbrain would say this. Imagine not appreciating wholesome romance between women and a reformation journey for an arrogant moron.
Were people really expecting a story openly stated to be inspired by "The Tempest" to end as a grim dark tragedy?
>inspired by
It was more or less an adaptation in the vein of West Side Story, Throne of Blood or Gnomeo and Juliet.
>Potato, tomato, what's the difference?
My potatoes grew tomatoes this year so I'd venture very little.
SEED and 00 are actually the worst.
Sneed more.
Notrette helping out Miorine with QZ doesn't come off as that emotionally heavy anyway since she was always implied to be a good mother on good terms with Miorine. But the show treats the hidden code like it's something profound.
Still better than the "resolution" Delling got i suppose. I can't believe they managed to make Sergei and Andrei's dynamic but worse
There's been a lot of bad Gundam series id be hard pressed to say this is worse than ZZ or destiny.
Shit its between this or Age. Both are piles of shit.
That's not G Reco or ZZ
I can't get into AUs. I've dropped every AU I've tried to watch except G. I'm sorry.
Oh yeah this is official too.
Awful dad, allowing his sons meet their hero before he became morbidly obese.
He let Guel fall asleep on the table, he must be overworking them. He’s setting his son up for back problems!
>/u/ show
>Adult men characters filter audience
How do the Jeturks do it?
He is still an butthole that cared more about corporate backstabbing than his kids.
A later development after he spent many a years being a good father to his kids.
>A later development after he spent many a years being a good father to his kids.
Do you not have eyes brother?
You know for as much as Yurigays cream themselves over the subtlety of Suletta squashing a man or telling the audience that her character has finally developed they are very inept at noticing any cursory details that don't have a glaring spotlight shone on them
>G-Witch is too high IQ for some anons
Sad
From Vim's POV
>Guel loses his status as holder after getting into a stupid duel
>Mistreats an engineer who was just doing his job
>Gets into ANOTHER stupid duel for a girl that doesn't care about him, loses
>At this point he's acting like a spoiled brat so he gets kicked out
>Comes up with another plan to kill Delling
>Tells him to pull out and that he'll show him how he does business in a subsidiary
>Guel runs away
The first slap was undeserved though.
>Guel loses his status as holder after
And Vim was upset because it interfered with his plans to kill Deiling and absorb his business. Vim only cared about his corporate backstabbing.
>Filtered by fricking VIM of all people
Yes anon Vim never cared about his sons unlike best dad Delling, also love the lesbians, go back to /u/ now.
Deiling was a shit dad too, Sarius was the only one that really cared.
>that really cared
>Suspects his son is a terrorist, does nothing about it
>Lets Shaddiq turn out this way
Sure anon
Sarius was quick to remind Shaddiq of his position the moment he suspected him of being a terrorist, did you forget? Try to pay attention to the scenes that don't involve Sulemio, I know it's hard but I think you can do it.
You keep making shit up about him to launder his reputation.
It's pretty sad that you people don't even pay attention to what you watch, but whatever you say anon.
It's sadder that you have to make up shit.
Go and take a walk, you seem upset.
It’s not making shit up. Are you forgetting the concept arts up thread and the way he treats Lauda compared to how most illegitimate bastards are treated?
He didn't answer those posts BECAUSE they proved him wrong. Just leave him alone, he must be baiting at this point.
08th MS team
thanks!
>It’s not making shit up.
It is making shit up.
Vim can be upset about more than one thing at a time and he could have just disowned Guel and Lauda if it was that much of an issue.
It really does feel unique in that unlike every other Gundam TV series I really don't think it left an interesting world or circumstances behind.
Because the world barely makes sense and the few interesting things about it are barely touched upon
Vanadis Heart does a better job about it so far
The concept of 'war partitioning' isn't even all that complex, it just seems like Sunrise went out of their way to explain it in the most baffling ways possible.
They agree to divy up the sides in wars between companies within the Benerit group and limit the scale of what they'll sell to stop them from being too devastating or too decisive.
Done.
can anyone recommend me a good mecha show/movie targeted at adults?
also what's the gif from?
I feel like everything after the prologue was generated by AI that was given a prompt like "Gundam, Shakespeare, LGBTQ+, school setting". I recently tried a story generation chatbot that you need a Japanese IP to access. You'd be surprised at the plots some specialized chatbots trained on manga and anime can come up with. It's indistinguishable from the stuff that actually gets made
>I recently tried a story generation chatbot that you need a Japanese IP to access. You'd be surprised at the plots some specialized chatbots trained on manga and anime can come up with. It's indistinguishable from the stuff that actually gets made
I'm not surprised in the slightest. Just feed the bot on Syosetu's garbage and you're halfway there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shōsetsuka_ni_Narō