This is fricking sad, this movie is legit DEAD. Like DEAD, DEAD.
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Is this one of the biggest bombs in Disney history? It looks really bad
And yet they will learn NOTHING from this flop and continue to shit out films via committee and executive meddling alone. Disney makes films like my coworker bought a car. She wanted a white sedan with butt warmers in the seats and leather interior. She found the cheapest possible option that had those little extras and ended up with a complete piece of shit.
Why allow people to be creative when you can put together a shopping list of marketing concepts and idealistic BS to loosely wrap a narrative around?
>Character that can be made into plushie
>Comedic sidekick
>POC
>Theme of "Inspiring the next generation" because that's what Disney wants to do in the NEXT 100 years...get it? get it?
>Theme of "wishing upon a star" as a throwback
>Tie cinematic universe together as an afterthought because Marvel shit...I dunno
"GENIUS! This is going to be the greatest movie ever."
>And yet they will learn NOTHING from this flop and continue to shit out films via committee and executive meddling alone.
Iger has already said that the reason why they're struggling now is too little executive meddling, so yeah, they're learning absolutely nothing. As we all know, corporate execs are really good at creating masterpieces.
The creatives themselves are no better. They were the ones that forced Disney's hand and got Strange World to release in theaters, to the same disastrous effect.
>Anon asks a simple question
>Anon writes a novel-sized ragepost about sjws unrelated to their question
Lel
>novel-sized ragepost about sjws
>only "mention" of sj is one word in a bullet list
lmao
>sjws
rent free
I'm a bleeding heart liberal. I simply mentioned that one of their obvious requirements was to have a person of color which is an objective fact. I see no reason to pretend like Disney *isn't* making a painfully conscious effort to be more inclusive.
I don’t care if they are right or wrong they didn’t answer OP’s question in the slightest
>I'm a bleeding heart liberal
so a white moron
>complex answer
>anon expect it reduced to one sentence
Go back to X (formerly known as Twitter) and TikTok!
The turists really can't help themselves unfortunately
>novel-sized ragepost
>that
>novel sized
you didn't see real rage posts then
Are you saying Wish has Big Altima Energy?
Honestly none of those points are a bad start for a movie but like. The development and ultimate pkot ended up being bad. It's not a problem with the concept of the movie, is the execution that sucks fricking ass.
But the whole execution also stinks executive meddling.
>oh we need a villain, but he can't be bad, but he needs to be bad anyway and we can't have a twist villain and he needs an ironic end and to turn into the magic mirror and durrr
>oh we need a protagonist, she needs to be cute and quirky and young and relatable and a minority and nice and in the right and durrrr
>supporting characters? why, marketable plush and funny animal of course
>you mean like humans? put the 7 fricking dwarfs, I don't care if that's too many characters to actually develop frick you
Everything seems like the result of some moronic higher up decision, they probably rewrote the whole movie multiple time until it was bland mush.
>oh we need a protagonist, she needs to be cute and quirky and young and relatable and a minority and nice and in the right and durrrr
the thing is, it worked in the past. The "princesses" of the past were nice, good, PoC (or not, plus depending on the time line germans and irish at one point were not considered americans fully), they were right, because they were doing right and good things. The heroin in wish is insane. Giving people their wishes, no matter what they want ends in extinction of humanity. The main villain may not be great, but he sounds and acts more good, then she does.
That is the problem. It is like making a movie, in which X-men are wrong and Magneto is right, and not just philosophicaly or on some level. The house of mouse makes movies where the main heroes are the villains, in the normal world.
The previous quirky heroines were also more than just quirky and "right". Asha has no character; even her dead father is just kinda there like ChatGPT was checking off the Disney movie tropes, and the writers do nothing with the rest of her family.
People complain a lot about the "quirky" female leads, but imo it worked for Rapunzel and Moana. Those were fine. It's fine to write that "adorable" personality if it makes sense for the character.
Anna is not a well written character in a very flawed movie
Sisu is not even "quirky". She's supposed to be annoying (and she is)
Mirabel is annoying (but she was not intended to be lmao)
Asha is a mistake and the culmination of execs misinterpreting why it worked for other characters
I disagree about Mirabel. She's is not really quirky at her core. Her annoying act is essentially being the class clown, overcompensating and trying to make herself different to mask her insecurity and the feeling of being forgettable and inferior when surrounded by extraordinary people. Whenever we see her in the more intimate scenes, she's quiet and reflective, more like her grandmother than Anna or Rapunzel.
One of the better WDAS MCs, in my opinion.
Of course it worked for Rapunzel, she has been sheltered her entire life.
And it makes no sense for Moana, she's a community leader and royalty her entire island looks up to for leadership. She should be competent socially and normal, not an adorkable quirkster brown skinned Rapunzel
>People complain a lot about the "quirky" female leads, but imo it worked for Rapunzel and Moana. Those were fine. It's fine to write that "adorable" personality if it makes sense for the character.
I can tell you what the source for the absolute LOATHING for quirky BPD facial expression disney princess is.
Generational gap.
TikTok e-girls made acting like a disney cartoon girl into a fad 5 years ago and it became CRINGE big time after the fad died down.
So while boomers and genx/millennials saw overexpressive bordering on manic disney girls and thought "oh my what a FEISTY girl, she really WEARS THE PANTS" zoomers just see some annoying frumpy b***h in her bedroom who had too much disney than what's healthy.
Cinemaphile was obsessed with this girl in 2020
Cinemaphile is a bunch of middle aged men and horny indians. Of course they get obsessed with every frumpy online b***h that reminds them of Boxxy.
To every zoomer some fat girl from 5 years ago making lame faces is toxic levels of cringe.
>complain a lot about the "quirky" female leads, but imo it worked for Rapunzel
It didn't work for Rapunzel if you ask me. Someone who lived their whole life without speaking to anyone except their mentally traumatizing adoptive mother would not act the way Rapunzel did. Notice how quickly she socialized and made friends with criminals and the townspeople? That's bullshit. Someone with Rapunzel's background would be supremely cautious about doing anything because she'd be scared and nervous. She wouldn't be the outgoing optimist that the movie depicted her as.
>Notice how quickly she socialized and made friends with criminals and the townspeople? That's bullshit.
Not really. She's a 10/10 and desperate for human contact. She also has no sense of boundaries so goes in 100% with everyone she meets. I have met plenty of homeschooled kids who act similar to Punzy.
>Giving people their wishes, no matter what
I got to play devil’s advocate here: She doesn’t want Magnifico to grant everybody’s wishes, just return the wishes he doesn’t plan to grant since the wish is part of a person’s soul that makes them want more, but he refuses because without their wishes they remain his loyal subjects who never question his authority.
>just return the wishes he doesn’t plan to grant since the wish is part of a person’s soul that makes them want more
But people were still wanting more, it was poorly written.
Issue to that ends up being why would anyone give it up willingly (as the movie claims they do) and how don't they get another desire.
that or the fact it's actually a dang paradise with no crime, hunger or plague. I'd give up wanting to frick a 10/10 or enough money to satisfy me, seems like a burden lifted tbdesu
Imagine being a person in medieval Europe and finding a country with free living, no hunger, no major illnesses, and the ability to live to 100+ years. Magnifico wouldn't just be admired, he would be the second coming of Jesus himself.
you know what happens to rats when they don't have to work for food, play etc over time? Those populations die out and not in a nice way.
It’s the weird thing Disney does where the setting has to be pure and wholesome for the audience to like it, but it also needs a very nasty thing attached to it to have any conflict whatsoever.
Encanto did the same but not as terrible.
Yeaaaah... Feels a bit bad because I think some of the initial ideas and concepts sound interesting. But the end product is so...
I wish this would be a wake up call for Disney to stop fricking trying to capitalize on every single frame of their movies ti sell toys and pander to random demographics and instead put their money into making good fricking movies. Doubt it's gonna happen though...
Disney are just becoming unstuck because their movies are getting less popular, but they're also too afraid to stray from their "winning formula" even when that formula is no longer successful.
If they stick to the formula dogmatically when it's not successful, then you can only really expect Disney movies to do worse and worse.
The problem is they aren’t keeping “the formula”
2d worked for 80 years outside two periods of a few years (one the exec’s misunderstanding and the other when Pixar CGi was hot shit ) and now it’s not used at all. These movies do not feel like the writing, music and characters that made the studio on top all those years
They fricked with the formula more than people not wanting it. Frozen was the closest to their traditional films the past decade and look where that went
And kids love 2D anime. Kids love 2D animation. It's only the executives who love 3D and say no one wants 2D anymore even though it's not true
Source: (Dude Trust Me)
Source: anime is the most popular thing worldwide these days
>And kids love 2D anime. Kids love 2D animation. It's only the executives who love 3D and say no one wants 2D anymore even though it's not true
There was a period in the late 90s to early 2000s where 2D animated movies were competing alongside 3D at the box office. Legitimately good 2D movies like The Road to El Dorado, or Treasure Planet were being box office bombs while 3D Shrek, Toy Story, Ice Age, etc. were cleaning up.
2D animation was legitimately getting wrecked at the box-office unless it was attached to a popular TV show like Rugrats, Spongebob, Pokemon or The Simpsons. I like 2D animation but you're kidding yourself if you think there's big enough demand for it to be successful, especially for new IPs.
I found out the 2D animation from Disenchanted from last year was outsourced to Canada. Very bleak.
very coaly
You seem to be leaving out the most important caveat in that Y2K was when feature length 3d cartoon movies were NEW and they didn’t look like ass. Those 3 examples also had the best creative teams money could buy. 3d was a novelty and now that we’ve hit a ceiling the novelty has worn off.
Perfect way to celebrate their 100th, eh
Maybe in another 100 years, Walt.
I agree, FRICK DISNEY
I wanna know the ratio of production cost to box office earnings for this and the black cauldran is. Maybe this will finally kill the 3D animation meme for good
Black Cauldron cost $44 million and brought in $21 million domestically but there aren't any stats on international numbers.
Black Cauldran
>44m Budget
>21m Earning (Domestically)
Wish
>200m Budget
>33m Earning (Domestically)
>52m Earning (Worldwide)
It's a bigger bomb than Black Cauldran was. It's never been more over than right now
>>44m Budget
>>21m Earning (Domestically)
How much is it adjusted?
>$125,813,420.07
>$60,872,798.85
Oh, thanks.
And it is only the national box-office.
When is Wikipedia going to add these Disney movies to the list of biggest box office bombs?
>Wikijewdia criticizing glorious globohomosexual corp
Never
big W for Eilonwybros
200 million budget + around 100 million marketing. Disney takes roughly half the box office (>50% domestic and <50% foreign). Judging by the pathetic opening (31 million TG weekend), that shit won't see more than 200 million in the box office globally so 100 million for the mouse. 300-100 = 200 million dollarinos lost.
If it bombs harder than the Marvels Disney is in trouble.
Also Five Nights at Freddy's is at $285 million and is beating both movies.
I gotta say I'm surprised it took this long flr video game movies to really start to take off.
Because before it was
>eheh funny video game uh, how cute we're gonna adapt it so it's an ACTUAL movie and ignore everything people like about it because video games are for nerds anyway 🙂
And now it's more
>AHIIIIIIE VIDEO GAME SAMA PLEASE LET ME ADAPT YOUR OH SO POPULAR GAME INTO A MOVIE I'LL DO ANY CONCESSION YOU ASK AND BE FAITHFUL I SWEAR
Wait until you hear about the Super Mario movie.
And that’s while FNAF is on Peawiener at the same time .
>If it bombs harder than the Marvels Disney is in trouble.
i feel like even if it does do slightly better than the marvels it'll hurt them more anyways.
This is supposed to be Disney's flagship genre of movies AND their celebratory movie for the 100 year anniversary.
If anyone involved with the corp holds any sort of actual feelings for disney and its history, they ought to reevaluate why people reject their output now- for the company's legacy's sake and not just to save their own skin, like Iger seemingly is doing.
Bonus points, FNAF made its budget back +marketing [also a shitlaod of free marketing from Zoomers and Gen Alpha] as part of the initial deal and some kinda tax break thing in the first place IIRC, that 285 million is basically pure profit.
How come the Disney MCU didn’t work?
It is a bad movie, and committed the same error that every other shared universe did.
Due to the large budget of this film, it is currently on track to be one of the largest box office bombs of all time.
Bigger than Strange World?
Even bigger than Indiana Jones 5 or the Marvels?
Why didn't Disney hire Lin Manuel Miranda or the couple who wrote Let it Go for this? Why hire jobber songwriters instead of a proven quantity for the 100 anniversary movie?
Maybe LMM was too expensive, so they thought that they could hire someone cheaper and replicate his style.
Of course, seeing how "diverse" Wish is, I can see them opting for female songwriters for DEI purposes.
>Why didn't Disney hire Lin Manuel Miranda
Because his songs are kinda shit as well
Disney is still trying to find geniuses like Alan Menken without success.
>listening to Hamilton soundtrack for the first times
>there are some really catchy numbers
>inevitably in every one a beautiful singer will be interrupted by LMM's godawful voice which completely ruins the flow of the song
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I think he was trying to go for an annoying song, because live-action Scuttle is annoying.
LMM produces clunkers but he also did How Far I'll go and the Encanto songs which were good.
>How Far I'll go
Sometimes I wonder if my ears are bad because I think that's the shittiest "I Want" princess song in the Disney canon. I can't even remember how it goes even though I've seen Moana a few times and have the rest of soundtrack memorized.
?feature=shared
It's pretty good, homie. Much better than the wish I want song
This depends on how you define the biggest box office bomb - by how much it lost, or as a ratio of return vs investment. Wish is neither, but it's close to the top on both. Indiana Jones 5, Flash, and Aquaman 2 will almost certainly be jockeying for the title biggest bomb in money lost.
This ranking also changes depending on whether you want to figure in the initial marketing budget, which studios are not quite so forthcoming with. For example, Pluto Nash cost $100 million only sold only $7 million in tickets, but it had next to zero marketing budget behind it.
Incidentally, one of the biggest money losers pre-2000 is Cutthroat Island, a female-led actioner which lost an inflation-adjusted $200 million. This is including ancillaries. It's star, Geena Davis, is one of the people most directly responsible for the push to increase female and minority representation in tentpole movies, particularly replacing men in action films. So all of the major studios are taking casting and writing cues from a woman who made one of the biggest box office bombs of all time, and is likely still bitter about it. Let that sink in.
Worse flop was strange world and raya, even on pandemic encanto did much better
Wish already made more money than Mars Needs Moms entire lifespan which had a similiar budget, so not quite.
I watched the cam RIP of this. It looked like a cell shaded blizzard cinematic and the music was very bad/generic. Surprisingly this movie is better than strange world
What was this about again?
It's bad to not grant other people's abandoned wishes because you owe giving free shit to them.
Magic bad, but we can use a liiiiiiiitle of magic here and there, you know? As a treat
In itself, it describes Disney as a whole. They shit on the "princess" archetype, and yet they never stop making movies about princesses. They hate their past, but without it they are nothing. They can't never go full in or full out! They can never fully commit, they need justifications, excuses! No entertainment company ever looked so transparently like just business,
They like princesses but for the past 20 years they're obsessed with "the strong princess who don't need no man." What they seem to hate is heterosexuality. For some reason they think it makes a heroine weak if she's sexually attracted to a man. Women are naturally interested in romance and men, removing those elements from their movies are why they stopped connecting. Also Asha isn't even a princess. She's a fricking peasant who works for one day as Magnifico's intern before getting fired for asking for free handouts. She appeals to absolutely no one.
The weirdest part is that if they really wanted a strong independent princess, they cracked the formula a long time ago. They made FRICKING MULAN. There you go! She does shit, she's not even really a princess, you can have romance without diminishing her agency.
It's weird that storytelling seems to have regressed or just grown into a corner. The Mulan live-action misses the point of the story so hard that it's almost impossible to believe it got made.
>Mulan is a weird autist that's just too good at everything
>No Shang because falling in love with a superior is a no-no
>No Mushu because cartoon dragons are not realistic, but here's a phoenix and a witch
>Witch also had to hide her powers just like Mulan and is supposed to be a foil or something for Mulan choosing to not hate society/the emperor
They were trying to pander hard to China and even made Uighurs the bad guys and filmed the movie in Uighur territory to further BTFO them and please Xi. When China started banning Disney and MCU movies, Disney's box office died. Well played, China.
None of these western companies seem to understand how to pander to China better than Michael fricking Bay. Here's the big secret. You don't NEED some big name actor/actress from there or a hot topic political virtue signal.
You just need BIG EXPLOSIONS and GIANT ROBOTS fighting in the most brutal way possible. It's that fricking simple! You don't have to overthink it, just make shit go HARD. As a Chinaman, we are like bugs. We gravitate naturally to shiny lights and loud noises. The best part is, this works on most blacks too.
Michael Bay needs to make a Gundam Wing movie. Why hasn't live action Gundam happened yet?
>Live action Gundam Wing
Imagine the new generation of fujos it would spawn
Glorious
I am going to cut you
>Why hasn't live action Gundam happened yet?
An attempt was done as far back as the early 80's, but that one never materialized. Apparently there's gonna be a new attempt with Netflix producing it...
Be afraid. Be VERY afraid.
>Be afraid. Be VERY afraid.
That means it will be a mega gay adaption of Gundam Wing with gratuitously more gay
I met the guy who produces these movies at Salt Lake City comic con a few years back. He was based as frick and walked around in a bright pink suit and drove a pink van with Swan Princess art all over it. I had no idea this franchise was so massive.
Speaking of gay Netflix shit, the only thing more annoying than homosexuals defending Blue Eye Samurai here on Cinemaphilemblr are the homosexuals lambasting it for the wrong reasons. Holy SHIT does it fall off halfway through when the writers apparently decided they needed to rush everything and spam girlboss messaging. Not for the main character who is actually fine, but for the side character princess.
its historically accurate though the japanese men were being cucks with white men and it was japanese women that saved the country from the white devils
Based? He looks like the kind of person you'd avoid.
I would too, but I also have to admit it takes balls to walk around in public with that much confidence in your product.
There's such a thing as being too confident in your product. The Swan Princess people legit think their movie is some historic pop culture icon.
Okay yeah I take it back then, there's a difference between not giving a frick and giving too much of one
>https://www.swanprincessseries.com/
>see this on the front page
Poor Odette, I'd react the same way if I was held at gunpoint to keep making movie after movie in this terrible, unbreakable curs--- wait hold the FRICK UP what if this is her punishment? We had no idea as to the scale of it when we were just kids watching, oh Odette, poor sweet Odette!
Does she still turn in to a swan in the sequels? The curse is broken in #1 so how are the sequels still swan oriented?
How based
I still have the first three movies on VHS, I might check out the rest now
Based = Does his own thing and doesn't give two shits what you think.
How much more based can a person get?
Yeh there he is! He's based because I was incredulous Swan Princess had so many sequels and was kind of mocking him to his face and he was just like "now I'm rich as frick and can do whatever I want and all I have to do is pump out these movies every so often "
>Gundam Wing
Unironically the best Gundam property to make a movie out of. You know why? NO NEWTYPES. I have thought for years that you can't do classic MSG for mainstream audiences because then you have to deal with fricking Newtypes. You are already asking people to suspend their disbelief with the existence of giant robots used as war machines. You can't really ask them to go further and also ask them to believe that there are people with psychic powers just because they happen to live in space. That will fly with Japs and weebs but it will not fly with American audiences.
Wing has no Newtypes, ergo it's the perfect Gundam to make a movie or a movie series out of. Not to mention everybody who watched the anime on Toonami back in the early 00s is an adult now, so you've got a built-in audience ready to go.
Deathscythe is so fricking based. That and Shenlong are my two favorite Gundam designs by a mile.
I mean humans receiving the external pressure to evolve a method of verbaless communication due to living in the cold expanse of space is more believable than giant robots.
American audiences read Xmen comics
Wing sucked ass and still had newtypes, The Whitest Arab You Know still exists and all, they just didn't know what newtypes were in universe since they were on their third or fourth post-apocalypse at that point canonically.
>As a Chinaman, we are like bugs
Bro, you've been on Cinemaphile for to long lmao
Because the new movie was written by a american woman and western/white women have no concept of "personal growth" so a character they identify with needs to be perfect from birth on, because that's pretty much the self image of white women.
They dont actually learn or put effort into things, because they are used to getting shit handed to them for having a pussy, that's their super power. So naturally every mulan, that star wars b***h with the ugly teeth, etc are all just the fantasies of white women.
They absolutely CANNOT sympathize with the idea of a protagonist struggling, growing or learning from their mistakes (accountability!), because those are things they avoid IRL and never have to do either thanks to how modern society treats them.
God bless the Universitäts-Bibliothek Heidelberg
I'm going to read every issue of Jugend, Le Rire, Le Charivari and whatever else I can find and become a fin-de-siècle superhuman
I also have to recommend kladderadatsch.
Respectfully disagree.
A woman's fantasy is to be an average somewhat dumpy looking woman who inexplicably has the adoration of a rich upper class man of status and wealth. Again Fifty Shades of Grey which is written by a woman.
The whole Men with breasts or Girl Boss presentation of women and girl power trite is a huge lie. Those types of females aren't created to satisfy female fantasies but to ruin and tarnish male franchises.
>A woman's fantasy is to be an average somewhat dumpy looking woman who inexplicably has the adoration of a rich upper class man of status and wealth.
Well that's the same, isn't it?
I dont disagree with you at all here.
But fifty shades of grey is the same "low effort" fantasy, where some random average mid b***h becomes the central focus of some high status man, simply for being some mediocre betty with a pussy.
Now if you tell the women who write shit like this to write a "powerful strong woman", they will write one that is just as effortlessly powerfull as the b***h from 50 shades of grey was effortlessly the object of lust and desire, simply for existing.
It's the same core writing style - just in different genres.
They have marketed every single princess since Ariel as "Finally a strong and independent princess who doesn't need no man to save her." Every new Princess movie they act like it's the first time they ever had a strong feminist princess who didn't need no man. They've been marketing their princess movies the same way for over 30 years now.
No, they didn't schizo
Stop gaslighting.
Ok troony
I saw clickbait publications doing that, but I don't know if Disney themselves did it so much
Good example.
Hell why haven't they done another action/combat princess? Boys would like it too. Japan has an entire genre based on this with mahou shoujo. Or even like magic based powers. Why didn't Elsa get to body some baddies with her ice magic?
>>why haven’t they done another action/combat Princess?
They did with Raya and the Last Dragon, but you anons didn’t go see it.
it wasn't a good movie and Raya wasn't a princess and did not have a cute dress.
Raya is trash, written to be a 26 episode TV show and butchered to fit a movie slot.
Raya is a dyke. Maho Shojo are action princesses but also extremely feminine. Sailor Moon is the peak female power warrior fantasy. Disney is afraid of actual femininity.
only France has figured out how to do mahou shoujo other than Japan
Barbi is peak female power fantasy. Breath taking women, living their lives the way they want like queens. Men exist as an accesory and when they start doing stupid stuff or "rising up" women are smarter then them and run rings around them.
Barbi is the early XXth century version of story that goes "she cooked her man a meal, blow his brain in bed and now he thinks the 100$ bag is not new, but old".
so is Yumiko Jabami from Kakegurui
Or Wilma Flinston, or Samantha from Bewitched etc. The woman turning the man from a beast to a civilised/less warlike being, is a story we can draw back to the Epos of Gilgamesh. Making it a story as old as time. Beauty and the Beast is litteraly about it man=beast. woman has to tame him civilise him, but if she doesn't give him the "rose" he will die. In prior centuries it wasn't just a kids story, it was a story told to young women to explain why that scary (often 10+ years older) men is about to become their husband, what their aka the wifes role is going to be, and why sex is important. And the heroins in those stories? helpful, nice, good looking (but not fem fatals), liked by people and animals, good mother/wife material.
Todays heroin is supposed to have non of the good traits of old women heroes. Just the body (and sometimes not even that if we look at marvel comics). And are emotionaly stunted and regressed to a level beyond autistic men.
And then studios wonder why men AND women don't want to watch their movies.
This would fit right into their current era, but Sony beat them to the film rights
What a moronic tagline. Disney has been telling this story for 20 years. And Jeremy Whitley is ass cancer in human form.
Why are "subversive" princesses so samey? Why do creators keep crowing about how "different" their princess is when they're just doing the exact same thing as everybody else?
Because they are produced by samey people. Same collages, lived in California, are around the same people, had similar famlies etc. Imagine how different was cinema in prior century. israeli writers from all over europe (aka difference expiriance of war), eastern europeans, Italians, the british actors and directors. Actors have to attract viewers to the cinemas, so they have to at least look good(women) or look good and act at least okeyish(men).
When you get a hungarian director, with a israeli writer, a mixed screen team of poles, germans and french canadians, with actors from different parts of US, britain or Italy etc You get a mix that produces new things. Not always good, not always good at the time (some movies became classics after decades), but things would be invovative and different.
On top of that you had a ton of people that expirianced life outside of LA/california and collage. They have been to wars, they had regular jobs, they seen shits. So they had stuff to write about, to base characters on people they met. A writer that meets only the same sceen girls, corpo b***hes, will not know how a "regular" woman is.
>>for the past 20 years
Um anon, Tiana, Rapunzel, and Anna all ended up with men.
And yet, they were marketed as strong empowered feminist princesses who didn't need no man to save them.
That's been the case since Mulan and no one minded.
I'm just stating that they market every single new princess movie as "the first" time that's happened even though it's been happening for 30 years.
Why is that a bad thing? Why would you want your protagonist and future queen to be a whiny useless b***h? If they were gonna keep up with the female main character shtick they had to give them enough agency to be entertaining.
Asha is a whiny useless b***h. The princesses modern Disney femcel activists hate like Snow White, Cinderella and Aurora were actually good characters and proactive strong heroines.
>Aurora were actually good characters and proactive strong heroines.
Not really, the fairies are the actual MVP.
They even enchanted the blade to kill Maleficent.
they're like Mephistopheles in Faust. they do all the heavy lifting but without a human hand their magic means nothing.
The fairies and the prince were MVPs fighting wise, but Aurora was still a good character in her own right. Just because she wasn't a girlboss warrior queen doesn't mean she's a bad character. She was a 16 year old girl who grew up in the woods and acted appropriately for her character. Modern Disney femcel executives are obsessed with making every character a strong feminist girlboss who don't need no man. It's all projection.
Also let's give Prince Phillip the credit he deserves. The guy fights an army of goblins and a giant dragon all by himself and he's just a normal guy, not a magical fairie with magic powers. Yes the faeries enchanted his sword but Phillip was the guy who actually was putting his life on the line to save the day.
Can you imagine the people in charge of Disney ever making a strong male character like this? It will never happen, we will never get a chad like Prince Phillip in a Disney movie ever again.
And ok rewatching this clip, I admit the faeries are carrying Phillip in this fight. I shouldn't have said he fought by himself-I forgot how much the faeries did until rewatching this. But that just goes to show-Aurora wasn't just saved by the prince-there was an entire team working together to save her. That doesn't make her weak! And also even back then in the 60s Disney movies featured strong proactive women like the 3 faeries so why are they acting like it's only modern times where they created characters like this?
Yes, she isn't weak.
The movie has a good female cast.
Aurora is the biggest stacy of all the Disney princesses. Toxic femininity prevents Disney from ever making actual feminine heroines like Aurora ever again. The success of the Barbie movie proves that girls want feminine characters.
Did they ever explain why they went with green fire?
Green is Maleficent's colour; everything she does needs to be green or black.
I mean, it's a rad aesthetic, I just wondered if there was a technical reason they went with green or if it was just sheer aesthetic taste. Was there some Wizard of Oz inspiration in a green antagonist?
Secondary colors like purple and green are used for villains, see lex luthor, Joker, Green Goblin, etc...
Aurora problem was the premise of the movie, and what happened to her voice actress.
But otherwise she is OK.
The premise of Sleeping Beauty is that it's a wish fulfillment fantasy for both boys and girls:
>Boys: fighting a fricking dragon to save a damsel in distress
>Girls: secretly being royalty, hooking up with a guy who's willing to do whatever you want to the point of murder, and having a family that gives you whatever you desire.
Yes, but since she needs to be asleep for a good chunk of the movie, she doesn't have a chance to demonstrate character.
Aurora has enough characterization for girls to identify with her. It's not like Phillip has much to his character either.
It's okay to have stories where the characters in them are basically 'what you see is what you get'.
Every time I rewatch the movie, she has plenty of character and development in the screen time she has before going to sleep.
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The nasty hags at Disney want to convince women that being alone in your 40s is totally fine and acceptable, because that's what they are.
I wonder who could be against that.
Mirabel would've ended up with a man if Disney weren't COWARDS
Encanto is one movie where a romance subplot would have made the whole thing worse, taking the focus away from Mirabel's relationship with her (already very large) family. I do hope Howard and Bush deliver the Nick/Judy romance in Zootopia 2, though.
>I do hope Howard and Bush deliver the Nick/Judy romance in Zootopia 2, though.
Saaaaaaame.
Hey there, loyal customer! It's me, Micky! It sure wouldn't be swell to imply that women's worth are falling in love with a man so there will be no romance in Zootopia 2! Hu ha!
Why was Ember allowed to have heterosexual romance but no other Disney heroines are?
imagine this. you are a israeli or asian (or worse both) producer, script writer, studio higher up. You want the 'princess" to be strong, because you are strong. You don't want her to be glued to a men , because you are a single mother/divorced/both , on top of that even if dad helped you reach your position, you think that he would rather have had a son (and you are not always wrong about that). You don't know what regular women are interested, because you lived all your life in california and/or at a collage. You have been hearing and talking crazy stuff for so long, that you think it is reality. On top of that the only thing LA (aka people in it that around you) is interested is about stories about itself. So you will have strong women, gayness, PoC as a fetish. From time to time you will get some smart person from sales add their 2 cents, about how "blacks" can be made to spend way more then they should on luxury goods, so why try to make the "white men" happy, when you don't really know what makes them happy, and then "blacks" are happy with everything as long it is "black culture". From time to time you make a movie or character you don't know why it becomes popular (Ken from Barbi, Ironman initialy etc), but as it brought a lot of money and you had old talents from prior generations, you think you can do it on your own. I mean what do those old , potentialy "white", men know about the world. You are a woman and you know better.
And that is how you get a glorified secretary like KK ruining an unsinkable ship like Star Wars.
>What they seem to hate is heterosexuality
Turning Red is the most hetero movie in ages and you still seethed about it
I'm pretty sure one the friends was gaying hard for a goth chick.
>She's a fricking peasant who works for one day as Magnifico's intern
SHE WASN'T EVEN HIRED YET. SHE ASKED FOR A FREE WISH DURING THE INTERVIEW!
Disney is literally just "what if we did another princess movie? Haha, just kidding, we're subverting princesses instead..... Unless....?
>Haha, just kidding, we're subverting princesses instead
I can't help but contrast this movie against Barbie, whose main message wasn't actually feminism, but about the need for the Barbie fantasy to remain unapologetically girly and free from consideration of reality or politics. It's completely antithetical to what Disney has been doing.
And to think marketing buttholes tried to hitch this movie onto Barbie's bandwagon. Everything is surface level to these people.
It's not even real feminism, is what gets to me.
Real feminism is firebombing government buildings until you're given the right to vote.
Disney feminism is like "I'm a WOMAN who can READ, take THAT, society!!!1!"
>Disney feminism is like "I'm a WOMAN who can READ, take THAT, society!!!1!"
Disney feminism is neoliberal feminism, where as long as groups have representation in the elite class, it doesn't matter that the vast majority of them have deteriorating quality of life. There's a reason corporate, Hillary-Clinton-feminism is always talking about representation in places where only a fraction of a fraction of a percent of women can exist, like politics and board rooms, and never talk about how to make sure women have law-mandated maternity leave, guaranteed access to healthcare or other things EVERYBODY actually needs.
Neoliberals are worse than conservatives. At least conservatives are honest and outspoken about what reprehensible people they are, neolibs do the same shit but dress it up in performative wokeness
>it's the tankie homosexual screaming about neoliberalism again.
Anon I would love for you to launcha violent uprising and cause all the work those neoliberals you hate so much have accomplished to infiltrate modern society to come undone as well as get yourself gunned down, ensuring your bullshit dies out for a generation or two at least, but until you pull your balls out of your purse and do it just shut the frick up you useless communist homosexual. Most of the morons you hate so much have already accomplished more than you ever could just by doing nothing.
Raya and Moana were egregious.
ENTER THE PRINCESSVERSE
some app mascott telling some black consumers she can get everything she wants during black friday
Sabe.
Kind of like Wonder Woman 1984, but in reverse. I think.
It's a bit like if in Bruce Almighty when he set all the prayers to be automatically granted and then the film just ended and don't think about it.
Moors fairytale about a blackwashed Latina that somehow interconnects Disney Princess lore with Snow White or something.
It looks like it was made with AI assets or something, it’s incredibly dull. How did they devolve so much from Encanto?
stfu moronic AIgay
AI hands posted this.
AI hands can't type, the fingers are all fricked up
plenty of models can do proper hands now, baka.
this anon is in every Wish thread when you say it sounds like an AI wrote the song lyrics or script.
his uncle works for disney. trust me.
The story seemed like it was written by AI.
The Star looks out of place for something like Disney because it’s design is so simple compared to how the other two look.
It's a complete ripoff of the stars in super mario, the only difference is it has a stupid heart on its face.
Hahaha I’ve just been calling a luma too. How can it not be
Disney is shameless. I hope no one buys the stupid Disney star merch and it rots on the shelf.
You think Nintendo and Illumination can sue Disney for this?
Doubt it. Star with face is not exactly an original design.
Illumination still somehow managed to make their star character a deranged lunatic and gave him a personality to be remembered. The fricking star in Wish is generic and will be forgotten about so quickly.
It shares the puffy star look.
The Heartface on the Disney version is what saves them from getting sued. Without the stupid heart, they would be in trouble.
they could but wont. instead, nintendo pleasures their copyright boner by punching down on their own fans. going after anyone that will actually fight back in court wont be fun for them
>going after anyone that will actually fight back in court wont be fun for them
They've fought off Universal Pictures over King Kong/Donkey Kong and sued Enterbrain (the RPG maker studio) over Emblem Saga stealing from Fire Emblem.
Nintendo are ruthless and will go after any company if they think they can win.
Disney is known for its lawyers more then Nintendo even is
Star with face is too generic for them to know they would win and especially when the wests biggest media lawyer group is involved
>You think Nintendo and Illumination can sue Disney for this?
I'm suprised they haven't even thrown a brushback pitch. Maybe N thinks the disney star will be such a fricking failure that it's not worth the fight.
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I really want to see a fight for the ages.
Why would Illumination sue?
Lumas were created for Mario Galaxy, not the 2023 movie.
Care Bears had that 40 years ago
Could, but why draw attention to a movie thats already losing disney millions of dollar?
People might end up seeing it for the controversy.
Should have stuck with the twink-y boy instead, that at least would have attracted more of a female audience.
It was a boring comic relief compared to olaf
Theaters must be pissed that they're locked in to showing this on so many screens. Disney absolutely embarassed themselves putting this out on their 100th anniversary. Jennifer Lee should quit, how does she justify staying there and how does Iger justify keeping her on?
>Theaters must be pissed
This and Aquaman 2 being the only notable December release must have them fuming.
There's nothing else selling. It's not like people are queuing up for hunger games 4, and that's the top movie right now. Besides, they're keeping probably 60% of the ticket on this showing, so it's not as bad as it could be.
But that's the theater business, sometimes things just don't sell.
They're probably hoping Renaissance does well. Aquaman is dead weight, wouldn't be surprising if it gets the bare minimum time in wide release and pulled, even less time than they gave Flash which they were practically dragging out after two weeks.
>hunger games 4
i'm surprised that's even a thing
i thought people left that behind mid-last decade
A lot of them are owned by Disney meaning they are loosing even more money
It’s like a spoiled brat berating their parents for being old and having traditions and boundaries that get in the way of their homosexualry but still demands money from them. Even if Disney is dying, the damage has been done. People need to got to JAIL for what they did to Disney
Alright calm down
Well how many times do we have to spank this spoiled brat before they learn a lesson. Not that it matters because you know their ~~*rich uncles*~~ are going to bail them out no matter what.
For frick’s sake, I’m just tired of getting the exact same movie from these people.
Just let Disney die. It’s good for everyone that these super conglomerate entertainment companies don’t exist
I want to, but ~~*doctors*~~ are keeping them alive well beyond their natural life span. What else can we do besides b***hing about it?
I don’t know spamton but one day we’ll escape this crazy world
This is one fricked up ~~*world*~~ I want to see redeemed someday. Disney needs to burn to the ground so something better can take hold
It's not like they're all the same ((tribe)) I'm sure there's rivals or relatives of theirs that would VERY glad to give us what we want for money.
Damn brah you burned these two.
jeez dude, take a chill pill
>how does Iger justify keeping her on?
Jennefer probably gives mean head
Same for Kathleen but for the entire board of Lucasfilms
Godzilla can save December. Just increase the number of screenings.
Imagine hiring the songwriters they did and thinking the songs for this movie would work.
15-20% of the lyrics are modern terms and sayings. It's fricking awful.
>It's genetics! Yeah, I got these genes from outer space
>Peep the name, I'm magnificent
Jesus Christ.
The songs sound like AI wrote them. The whole script seems created and filtered through AI several times
It's not ai, it's just lazy, uncreative writing, the kind that usually happens when a film is made by committee. I think AI would probably have done better, because that element of pure machine madness would shine through, leading to unexpected gems.
They fed ChatGpt every Lin Manuel Miranda lyric and got this
>genetics and space are modern terms
Space is from Paradise Lost.
won't defend the other term, which looks stupid, except to point out that musical numbers in period pieces are never in the vernacular of the setting and often don't even bother to sound vaguely archaci.
Nobody ever calls out "In this universe, we're all shareholders!" followed by "Get that through your system! SOLAR!"
It's Disney, shouldn't there have been an unlimited pool of songwriters to sift through?
There's really not. All the best songs from the renaissance era were by legends in Broadway or rock
The biggest problem wasn't them using anachronistic lyrics (which is pretty normal when you consider when Disney musicals are usually set, although I will admit the ones you gave as examples are shit regardless) the problem is that they didn't hire people who know how to write songs for musicals, they got people who write generic, trendy pop songs instead.
This can't be real lyrics from the song.
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Magnifico should have been the MC who quells the insurrection from his moronic subjects demanding gibs.
We got a Bizarro Disney film where you're supposed to root for the entitled swarthy usurper.
Woke activist morons made it and thought we would root for their self insert.
>Villain is giving in to his worst impulses
>Song sounds like a toilet paper jingle
Compare and contrast:
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Imagine getting mogged by babyshit from nearly years ago made with a budget of peanuts and matzos
Damn, that's painful. I had a feeling the songs would be rough after hearing the "to have something more than this" lyric from the trailer, which sounded like it barely fit in with the pace of the song
Mother Knows Best did it better
The expressions really don't match with the way the song is being sung very well, makes the whole thing look cheaper and sloppier than it should.
Hey, at least I have a new reaction image
This is something an Armenian landlord would actually say, ngl.
>Remember when Disney was good?
>Pepperidge farm remembers when Disney was good.
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Same energy
Uh, it’s a disney film? They do this all the time moron. Greece in Hercules was just Las Vegas.
And the nation of Greece was fricking pissed that Disney did that to one of their cultural heroes.
What does that have to do with ours posts?
Real question, and one that outs the cultural implications of Disney on the spotlight,
What do you guys think of the folklore appropiation in which Disney thrives? I mean, seeing your fairy tales and legends be sanitized and their messages destroyed in order to make a profit does seem pretty fricked. Also, what do you think some of the original authors would think of the movies.
>What do you guys think of the folklore appropiation in which Disney thrives? I mean, seeing your fairy tales and legends be sanitized and their messages destroyed in order to make a profit does seem pretty fricked. Also, what do you think some of the original authors would think of the movies.
I think it's disgusting what they did to Maui and Heracles.
They’ve been doing this for 85 years now.
Everyone that is still alive is used to it by now.
Nice quads, Doug
A BAT CREDIT CARD!?
For all the shit movies like Moana and Encanto got, at least the songs in those movies were pretty damn good, at least compared to this schlock.
Seriously, the frick were they thinking? Douchebags on the board decided to cancel Gigantic for THIS shit??
>cancel Gigantic for THIS shit??
They have so many cancelled movies that would have been better than Wish.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unproduced_Disney_animated_projects
https://disney.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Cancelled_projects
Wish we'd gotten to see Roy E. Disney's version of Tam Lin.
Gigantic was a mess where the main push for it was someone's barely concealed fetish. There was no cohesive story other than a giant girl torturing a grown man.
and?
And what?
you didn't hear it from me anon but there was talk of reviving gigantic through a different movie. No confirmed sources. Only speculation. I'll be surprised if it ever gets made and released.
but other than that, What do you guys believe will bring the disney "Magic" back. I honestly think if they decreased the amount of projects they had and actually focused on the story and writing; it'd be a lot better.
That other movie would probably work better if the genders of the giant and human were reversed. Female explorer and giant guy.
It is basically confirmed.
The director of Gigantic is now at sktydance and is making a jack and the beanstalk film
>Skyslop
>White man is treated as weak and inferior to a girl
Who would this even appeal to post-Pandeverse?
If there's one thing idiots don't seem to understand is that no one genuinely likes emasculated weak loser male characters. Not in the canceled Gigantic movie and I genuinely doubt women liked Flynn from Tangled.
I'm well aware that Flynn was designed by an All Female committee but the whole character is bullshit. According to Tangled staff a woman's most desirable male character fantasy is....
A somewhat decent looking young man who is good at nothing and has no skills and every time he tries to do something he fails at it.
He's the white version of Oscar Proud from Disney's Proud Family. And Flynn is so grossly incompetent that he's the one who gets killed off in the Disney adaptation of Rapunzel. I mean he gets revived with the power of Bad Writing but yeah that's bollocks. I can believe rich boy model pretty boys like Adrien from Miraculous Ladybug are a girl's fantasy because though he's a bumbling useless homosexual he has good looks, a job making bank from his good looks, and even without the job he is RICH and he's in love with a plain down to Earth average jane type of girl. Basically he's a kid version of Fifty Shades of Grey. Minus the sado whatever fetish. But Eugene from Tangled? No.
And that's the crux of it. I doubt all these Lame Males that Disney has been making for decades are popular. Been feeling this way since Ron from Kimpossible. Nah man hot girls don't get moist for beta males and no amount of bad writing is going to make a beta male desirable.
The more poppy songs in recent disney musicals like Surface Pressure still blow every song on Wish's soundtrack out of the water
I'll always defend At All Costs. And Knowing What We Know Now is also good. It just isn't enough.
Pretty much this. The soundtrack feels so desperate to be played on the radio that they forget it also needs to flow as if it were a play.
A Disney musical needs that broadway play-like appeal, it's what melds the animation to the song and makes it iconic. There's some cases where it doesn't and it works but those are more rare than being the norm.
It's not like they don't know this: Moana, Encanto even fricking Frozen knew how to do this. they want another Let it Go so bad that they forgot what made Let it Go even work.
>I got these genes form outer space
Wait what? What the frick? Hes an alien?
He stole them
He's a Gene Stealer.
Anachronisms used to be amusing at best and okay at worst in old Disney movies. But Wish couldn't even attempt to make any of them fun; they were just really awkward.
Now I got to wonder how a pre-industrialized society figured out the life cycle of stars and genetics. Do they also know about natural selection? Is this a vague religious sentiment or do they actually understand that their planet was formed by the remains of dead stars?
Anachronistic stuff used to be in Disney movies all the time, but it was always used as a joke more than anything. Haha there's modern consumerist culture in ancient Greece. Haha a genie in old timey Middle East references celebrities that only the audience knows about. And so on. But this isn't presented as a joke. This is something that the king, and potentially society at large, knows about as a fact of their existence.
Did you ever wonder why Robin Williams' Genie was a constant source of real world pop culture references?
He was a weird supernatural being.
This was just a case of Robin Williams being Robin Williams. They didn't set out to make Genie spout these things.
he had PHENOMENAL COSMIC POWERS
No, because that was done strictly for humor. People being the eventual result of stars dying and exploding in Wish on the other hand is significant idea.
Dude, that kinda shit already happened in Tarzan.
I honestly don’t even know what it’s about
‘tism, he made the same shit thread on Cinemaphile
/tv/gays are moronicly convinced Disney will die
moronic Muskrats don’t help either
And they're right. How new are you that you don't realize /misc/ is never wrong?
that hasn’t been true after 2016 and you know it
You don't seriously believe Biden won the election?
He did
He won
Get over it homosexual
Anon said he doesn’t know what the movie is about and you’re ranting about OP or something? I think you’re the autist here
I'm just happy that Alan Tudyk got a paycheck. He got paid first, right?
I guess this will follow Strange World in being a Disney movie that doesn’t get an Oscar nomination.
Jesus 200 million they spent on this? How? Is this suppose to be a mainline princess movie? A princess movie bombing this bad looks terrible for The Mouse
500 million? 400 million??? 300 million??? I can't believe Disney spent 200 million on this
$200~250 million production, likely another $100 million for marketing. Potentially significant wrinkle is that Disney didn't buy ads for this on Twitter, which is probably where their stans are most active.
$600 million in ticket sales is the realistic break-even number. Optimists will say $500m, idiots will say $400m, and astroturfing shills will say $200m. Funny thing is, it's not reaching any of those numbers at its current pace.
Please give us back hand drawn animation and don't use CGI for it.
bottom example kinda looks more like a variation of the technique disney used for cruella's car in OG 101
https://twitter.com/Animated_Antic/status/1048350874634842113/photo/2
Ah. Maybe I should do that for my own project.
i would as well. complex-looking cars and other vehicles are the few examples i honestly don't taking shortcuts for in 2D animation
My problem right now is trying to decide what car Sully should drive, I seem to have moved from a Porsche 917k le mans car, to a 90s SUV.
whatever fits his character best, i say
I mean, Castle of Cagliostro
Did they use models?
It's dead, dead.
Very, very dead.
That technique was also done in The Secret of NIMH and An American Tail.
Rotoscoping miniature models. Don Bluth would later go with CGI once it became more viable.
>tfw Klaus came out 4 years ago
>tfw Klaus is so well drawn and animated in 2D that people assume it's cgi
It is GCI but to the point it looks like a 2d animated film. Never realised until I watched the video
>It is GCI but to the point it looks like a 2d animated film. Never realised until I watched the video
No it's not, it's 2D but with a proprietary software that shades inbetween frames automatically. You somehow misunderstood the making of video.
All animation is "CGI". Nobody is drawing on paper anymore.
Oh well yeah, but when you say CGI everyone thinks 3D, not 2D.
>bottom was animated by hand
Yeah, with a protractor. Geometric 3D graphics are mathematically trivial they're just tedious.
Why doesn't disney use digital protractors?
It will make ten trillion dollars in Disney plus were there is no way to measure success and the money comes secretly from the parks just wait
>money comes secretly from the ~~*fans*~~
Ftfy
I found the goat a hell of a lot more annoying
>I’m going to start Zootopia
Frick you Disney and your multi-kulti, inorganic method for making a cinematic universe. I hope you collapse under the weight of your own IPs
>>I’m going to start Zootopia
Lmao this is so embarrassing, it sounds like a line that could be in a parody. "I'm going to start Zootopia." "I'm gonna be in A Goofy Movie." "I'll just be in Planes: Fire & Rescue!"
I don't think he said it that way.
It doesn’t matter how he said it. It’s fricking egregious how this shit mivie is trying to latch itself onto so many Disney properties at once. It’s like a tumor trying to replicate itself
You want embarrassing? Try listening to the I'm A Star song.
>Did we just blow your mind?
>Uh-huh!
>Well, I known's the entire time!
>When it comes to the universe, we're all shareholders!
>Get that through your system!
Frick you, Disney.
>>When it comes to the universe, we're all shareholders!
Fricking commies
It's communist propaganda disguised as entertainment and kids all over the world are straight up rejecting it. You love to see it.
You’re right, they totally are. I’d bet money that the majority of its box office cane from single, unpleasant catwomen
Cringe city
Comments seem pretty normal. Either Disney is combing it or no one gives a shit about this movie to meme on it.
Disney is astroturfing it+deleting negative comments+no one cares
>Astroturf
We no longer saying gaslight? Gaslight member? The Dougler!
it's so weird, Dinsey's had pop artists write music for their movies, though not for musicals. Is it really the fact that they tried to make pop songs into musical numbers what made it turn out this shit?
They got songwriters trained to sell singles, not tell stories. For movies like Tarzan and Brother Bear they put pop songs over montages so the stories can move forward. Miranda came from Broadway and understood how musical storytelling worked.
This is the weirdest thing: animated musical theater was pretty much the signature style of WDAS. Why on earth would you give your anniversary movie to songwriters who don't have a musical theater background?
Frozen 2 is rated 64 at MC. That's not exactly a critical darling.
Why didn't they trust their golden boy Lin Manuel Miranda with this one? Are they moving on from him?
>Why on earth would you give your anniversary movie to songwriters who don't have a musical theater background?
They were hoping to cash in on another hit single like "Let It Go".
I'm 100% convinced that's also why Klaus had that fricking random pop song that came out of nowhere for the montage. Some dickbag executive saw all the hype around Frozen and made a terrible decision.
this all seriously sounds like Protestant Christian rock songs for children and that's not a good thing
I believe the exact words were
>"My dream is to build a utopian metropolis where all mammals are equal. And we'll wear clothes."
Since he's excluding reptiles and birds, I can only assume that he's fricking racist.
>Frick eggers!!!
Bane was in Batman and Robin?
A main character cringing in disgust is not the best way to sell one's movie. That's before we get around to the actual problems in it. But right off the bat it looks like the star is going to be annoying and makes me think twice about seeing it
It's like the people that made this movie even hate it.
biggest problems listed in order of importance
>no idea what this movie is about, promo material is a girl standing around with a star companion
>animation is weak, artstyle is ugly and doesn't look disney
>black protagonist
I'd rather they keep churning out sequels/prequels. It's a sign a star is dying when it starts re-burning it's own fusion products.
Will Disney learn from this or they will double down their moronic decisions?
>Will Disney learn from this
This is not a matter of learning for Disney. The company is thoroughly infested with activists who are content with draining existing equity from the company. They don't care about its performance, they care about keeping their own jobs. That is predicated on supporting their own cabal no matter what.
The real question is when independent stockholders will wake up and force changes. Right now they're stuck supporting a company that could potentially become a zombie - a company that won't fail or give up market share, yet it doesn't generate any profit. This is why, aside from the manipulation of major index fund managers, the price of Disney has settled at its current range. It's like the current housing market where prices really should have gone down a year ago, but it has stayed high because no one is able to move.
Disney is just waiting for a buyout.
Good riddance.
That didn't stop them promoting Tiana the way they do now
It's too bad, Mulan was my favorite Disney movie growing up. It had cool songs, funny jokes, and cool action and the epic snow mountain set piece. I think it's one of their best movies.
Why does Disney keep trying to do the "adorkable" female lead character?
Frozen made a lot of money.
Then make another Frozen. This original shit ain't cutting it. They legit can't afford to bet on original IPs. They have to rely on sequels to their successful shit to survive.
They are. Twice.
If they're using the same writers, then all they're doing is burning the good will of Frozen. They need to clean house and hire people who know how a story works, and not activists.
Good.
Disney has finally attained the same level of quality as The Swan Princess
The 13th Swan Princess movie just dropped.
…farquaad?
>"far longer than forever"
is this supposed to be self-aware?
>13
>13 of these damn things
Holy frick has it finally surpassed The Land Before Time?
Land Before Time has 14 and a TV show
Is this Farquaads backstory? Cus' it kinda makes sense honestly.
>13th
How the hell do you make 12 sequels to a movie whose specific plot is that the main character suffers a curse? The princess turns into a swan in every movie?
>YOU MAY HAVE DEFEATED ME, THE SWAN WITCH, BUT MY SISTER THE GOOSE WITCH WILL AVENGE ME
No, she turns into a Shrek Ogre in the 13th film, kinda weird, which is why the Farquaad theory is in full swing.
Sony has been milking this behind our backs.
I just hope the money made with these cheapquels goes to paying the Spider-Verse animators.
>0P00T
When a Spider-Verse animator misbehave he is sent to the penal unit who works on the Swan Princess animation!
The funniest part is they didn’t even start pumping out sequels until fairly recently. There was a large gap between 1998 and 2012 when the sequels became almost routine.
Holy frick. There was a sequel at all? This feels like it's from a different decade, like the sequels decade, but I kind of like it. I'll take campy sequels over whatever the frick woke shit is out.
>What else is there?
I really don't think it's that bad. It's by no means good but it's not like DAS has had a consistent 10/10 output since Snow White dropped or anything.
I hear "the wokeness" was responsible, but I'm the chuddiest person I know and the only part I cringed at was the protest song. Nobody is even gay is this. Maybe I'm just too low iq to see it.
Make Gaston's movie happen. He deserves it for being roughly the size of a barge.
You get a weird book and that's it
Man that's a creepy drawing
Wish half-assed everything and got what it deserved.
>Can't decide between 3D and 2D so they use a scuffed shader on 3D renders
>Wanted an actually evil bad guy but pussied out and gave him a tragic backstory
>Wants some fluffy message about how we're all star dust but that doesn't mean anything in the context of the film. It's not like when Carl Sagan said it to illustrate how interconnected we are and how cool/awe inspiring our ultimate origins are
>Wanted a diverse set of side characters but couldn't think of anything actually interesting so we get the Burger King Kids Club
>Wanted a Disney princess story but didn't want her to fall in love unlike all of their other princesses. Nani from Lilo and Stitch is presented as headstrong and independent with flaws and challenges to overcome and even she has a sex drive
>Overall everything comes off as generic, board room focus tested, and lacking any sense of whimsy or grandiousness
>It doesn't help that the Shrek Cat already had a movie about wishes that ticked multiple of the same boxes and didn't suck
> DEAD, DEAD
Thought you were hot?
Guess what, you're not!
Do they really not get this advertising doesn't fill seats?
In fact now it does worse.
"Our movie is so successful! Don't listen to nay saying!"
only gets a response of "oh you're doing real well? Guess you don't need the sympathy or pity ticket sales anymore then"
Marketing departments these days seem to put more effort into selling to executives than selling to consumers. The sweet, sweet promise of the lowest common denominator and dat ESG money is too good to pass up.
I think they finally realized blaming and guilting the audience doesn't work either. They seem completely out of ideas.
I'm not sure they're unwilling to stop. Yes, they realise it's a nonstarter and not good for business, but there's still a bit of it going on. Like you said, they genuinely don't seem to have any other ideas and this is the only one they DO know.
They're selling to investors. I've seen more ads for this shit at investor hangouts than kids.
The rabbit hole goes further...
https://www.swanprincessseries.com/pages/swan-princess-live-action-concept
>We’ve got a new Swan Princess movie on our minds, and this time we have something special up our sleeves. We have a dream to make a live-action version of our classic 1994 animated fairy tale.
Since its release over 25 years ago, The Swan Princess has captured the hearts and imaginations of children and adults around the world. We believe that a Swan Princess live action remake will allow the story of Odette and Derek to inspire new generations of viewers.
>The Swan Princess recounts the tale of Prince Derek, as he tries to save his beloved Odette from the grasp of evil Rothbart. Featuring a cast of unforgettable characters such as Speed, JeanBob, and Puffin, The Swan Princess has become a timeless tale of adventure, mystery, and love. With a worldwide fanbase, there are now nine Swan Princess movies available to watch.
>We’re committed to adapting this powerful story into an all-new Swan Princess live-action feature film. With your support, we hope to bring your favorite scenes to life in a whole new way. We’re currently looking for the right studio to help make this dream a reality.
lmao, What a swan making Chad. This shit deserves it's own thread.
The songs were awful
Frozen wasn't that long ago and it had absolutely amazing songs
I only remember 2 songs from Frozen, and you can guess which ones easily. But yeah, that's 2 more songs than I can even see blowing up on Youtube today.
The BARE minimum for an even passable Disney movie is one (1) bop.
The frozen movies are carried entirely by Kristen and Robert Lopez being able to pull songs out of their ass at any time to keep up with all the constant production changes the two films went through
"For the First Time in Forever" was written literally 5 months before the release of Frozen 1, and Frozen 2 basically has an entire movie's worth of deleted songs due to story changes.
Lol no. Shit on Wish all you want but it has better songs than Frozen. All it had was Let it go and Love is an Open door.
As per
I'll say "For the First Time In Forever" is a great song. The reprise is even better, if only because hearing Idina Menzel sing her way through a panic attack at the full power of her voice is really fricking cool. Frick Puss In Boots, this song is how you ACTUALLY do real-time trauma in an animated film in style:
>this shit cake had better icing
I don’t care
Jennifer Lee owes her entire career to the Lopez's
I've never seen a more mid movie in my life. Everything about it is mid.
Shame, the star looks cute, and the villain is the best part.
Sheesh. Unless Disney pulls off another Renaissance era with actually GOOD movies and just drop the 3D shit for a long ass time and make 2D looking movies that don't recycle Rapunzel's design so much, then Disney is in trouble.
This bomb after bomb could make their dark age from the 1980's and post-renaissance era in mid 2000's pale in comparison to the current shitshow.
This isn't a Dark Age. This is Rot and Decay.
Can't wait till they unfreeze Walt Disney and he sees what the israelites have done to his legacy.
The hate for this movie feels fabricated. It was a solid watch, just like any other Disney princess musical. Why did we start raising standards for Wish?
There's no real hate for the movie. It's just so mid. It's just really funny watching the flop in real time, though.
Frozen 2 was straight up garbage and it's gotten nothing but praise.
It for some critical pushback and that’s when Disney was an unstoppable force you couldn’t criticize
It would be pounded hard if it came out now
I still think it'd do better than Wish, though. It's an objectively pretty movie, the soundtrack is good, the musical numbers are good, and the emotional core is there even if it's weirdly muddled. The plot is a joke and the messages mostly make sense only to Jennifer Lee, but it's a solid 5.5/10 movie. Wish, on the other hand, is legitimately 3/10.
It would do better because it’s attached to Frozen as the first sequel when it was still hot, they could have finger puppets of the characters up for a hour and it would make a billion
Maybe they should stop making le quirky and awkward heroines.
It’s a combination of several factors.
>Disney has forgotten how to write a great movie
>People aren’t impressed with CG animation anymore, oversaturated/old hat
>The normie association of 3D with higher quality has declined because Pixar has declined
>DEI has pushed more people away than it brought in
Disney needs to try something bold and good, without feeling DEI to win back the audience and start a new era for themselves. I think a 2D movie could do that, or if they can pull a classic Pixar movie out of their ass (Brad Bird?) they need to stop with the live action remake slop it is destroying their brand. I have no loyalty to the company but I do want to see good movies, that would be my advice.
What happened to Brad Bird? Why did Disney drive away Chris Sanders? Does Genndy refuse to work with Disney? Why doesn't Disney hire proven creatives with vision and let them cook? Give talented directors a decent budget and don't meddle with their vision, that is Disney's only hope at this point. Also Iger has got to go. Fiege and Jennifer Lee too.
All those fricking white men?
>why Disney execs deserve HELL
Ironic that their hatred of white men got them in this mess in the first place.
It was white guilt bullshit, and I don't even remember critics liking it. I never met anyone who likes it either.
You know what's fricking happened to Disney? The same thing that's happened to huge swaths of American culture, the American economy, and even the US military.
White people, and white men in particular, saw the writing on the wall and said
>You don't want us? Fine, we're leaving.
And the whole country's gone to shit. Maybe it's time to actually cater to white men for a change. Maybe they'd bother to spend their money on something specifically designed to appeal to them, like black people spent all that money on Black Panther 1.
It couldn't hurt, right? If you really wanted to make money.
I think your mother may have dropped on the head a few to many times. That’s what I think
They did this with Top Gun Maverick and it made 1.5 billies.
And in your opinion, how would a movie be made that "appeals to white men"? What would this film look like / be about exactly?
Differentanon, but the obvious thing is to make shit that white men like. Related approaches are to do the opposite of what people who say we need to cater to black women want, and people who say that there's too much white men in media and we need to do something different.
I mean you have no shortage of shit out there that explicitly says "we made this for black people". Nothing wrong with that. Should be able to do the same for white people, no?
I'm japanese, so my idea of making shit for white people is Shonen Jump anime adaptations, with hot girls. White American representation is optional, but should be badass if present.
I thought those were shit. His best work was Hamilton, but he's not a strong singer.
Better than flaming shit, but not good.
I would put more faith in Japan to make a movie about white people these days than an American studio.
Just the basic idea of noticing what americans like and giving them more seems so alien.
>I would put more faith in Japan to make a movie about white people these days than an American studio.
Vinland saga is good enough of an example for that
Based easterner. If I ever have millions of dollars I'm making a film about a samurai ghost cutting the Enola Gay out of the air in your honor.
Ah yes the main target audience of disney princess movies... white men.
You actually got it in reverse. White boomer and gen x men are to blame for this for being absolutely spineless beta fricks and hiring all kinds of unqualified pink haired 5/10 beckies in hopes of getting to suck their pussy (never happens, becky doesnt date beta spergs, because she can be the sidepiece of some chad)
White men gave the reigns out of their hands freely and now their companies are failing.
>White men gave the reigns out of their hands freely and now their companies are failing.
To be fair now Feminism and Empowering Women are israeli invention. Women aren't smart or anything it's simply that the OWNERS of White Men aka the israelites have given the order to all men in the USA to support Women's Liberation and Women's Rights and such. And since you can't your owner and master this is the end result.
Though I will say this men in the US are still stupid and honestly still believe that Feminism came out of nowhere instead of being a top down idea by the israeli Elite.
>To be fair now Feminism and Empowering Women are israeli invention.
In the end it was still white men who fell for it and played along, ruining their civilization in the process.
If it makes you feel any better unlike any point in human history we have lots of evidence recorded showing how women behave when they have rights and privileges that they never deserved. If our species refuses to learn from this era then may mankind go extinct and painfully for the crime of being stupid.
>If it makes you feel any better unlike any point in human history we have lots of evidence recorded showing how women behave when they have rights and privileges that they never deserved.
Women moments have been recorded in tales and legends since before history.
(example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ys )
Not like men all over the planet had the idea to restrict women's rights for nothing, like not because having that extra task of constantly double-checking 50% of the population is so much fricking fun, but because it's a core prerequisite for civilization even working on a basic level.
Disney should adapt Assembly Women as their next animated film.
What the frick does race have anything to do with this you homosexual? Stay on topic or go back to Twatter or /misc/
Brad Bird is basically retired at this point, he tried to pivot to live action and that didn't work out which is the only reason why I think he agreed to do Incredibles 2. Chris Sanders has complained about Disney a lot.
What about Genndy? What hasn't he ever worked with Disney do you think?
Genndy is a great director, shitty writer.
I don't think he has ever been associated with them, might just lack the personal connections
>Brad Bird is basically retired at this point
Brad Bird is currently making an animated movie for John Lasseter at Skydance, as are other "retired" animators like Rich Moore and Nathan Greno.
Disney is the one imposing retirement on the old guard. They drove out their old talent for their DEI-driven nepotism.
Brad Bird working under Lasseter, just like the good old days of prime Pixar. It's amazing Disney thought it was a good idea to drive these people away.
dis is the thx i get?!
Will Disney learn from Illumination and Nintendo’s success this year with Super Mario Bros movie?
100 years of Disney. This is how they comemorate it. Why couldn't they just make a family movie, like I don't know for close to 80+ years. It is not that hard, don't even have to be smart. Take one of Grimm or Andersons stories, remove brutality, replace the ending with a happy one, and presto movie is ready. Then get someone good at making music (and not just popular for popularity sake) to write and record a few nice songs. And a good movie for families in pre christmas time is ready to be watched.
>PAW Patrol: The Mighty Movie was released in Canada and the United States on September 29, 2023, to generally positive reviews from critics. The film was also a financial success, grossing over $192 million worldwide, against a production budget of $30 million.
It's getting mogged by fricking Paw Patrol, holy shit. Like, how do you frick up this badly?
Isn't Paw Patrol like the most safe generic shit around? THAT is beating Disney's flagship movie for their 100th anniversary? If that isn't a bad sign for the company's future, then I don't know what is.
Also Super Mario Bros
Bruh even with its flaws mostly with pacing and basic story, it was way more entertaining than Wish. Seth Rogan Kong and bossgirl Peach shits on the whole Wish cast.
Also Bowser was a much more fun and intimidating villain than Magnifico.
Kids love Paw Patrol and Bluey. They see Disney movies as lame shit their childless wine aunts and rainbow haired groomer teachers at school are in to. Disney has forgotten how to connect with the kids. Yes they own bluey but they had nothing to do with its production, that's why it's good.
Cuz PAW Patrol is fun and made by people who want to make it enjoyable. And had a fricking tiny budget. Also its box office run isn't even done as it's not out in Japan yet.
Eh not really, the movies make a point of pushing just a little bit past what the show does, hence getting the PG rating. Also they were dumb and released their superhero movie in the middle of capeshit fatigue. And took the somewhat bizarre risk of having a black female villain in 2023 when people already like calling it a fascist show lol
PAW Patrol having the same rating as Watership Down will never not be funny to me
I bet they keep it in theatres for like a month
Wish actually does make me believe in myself, I think I could write better
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Mexican here. I'm about to invade as we speak.
well people that care about the frenchises they bought. and they were bought exactly because Disney was a princess/girl focused company. Marvel, Star Wars and the rest of Lucas Films etc were suppose to bring in the "boys" and initialy it did. But then somehow had the great idea to rebrand the frenchise in to a girl focused one. and it isn't even giving girls what they want. Freaking The marvels had 65% viewership of men. And it was a bomb.
>But then somehow had the great idea to rebrand the frenchise in to a girl focused one
Fiege and Victoria Alonso are responsible for that. The female Avengers scene in endgame was the beginning of the end.
>be macho
Nobody is asking for it. Female fighter protagonist can be dealing with her obvious handicap, making her an underdog that has to make up for it with her smarts.
Which is exactly the kind of protagonist everyone would eat up.
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Unfortunately I feel like the only thing the dipshits at the top will take away from this failure is that animated feature films aren't profitable. Not, you know, that maybe you should concentrate on actually creating a thing before you figure out how you're going to market it.
Their live action movies flop too. Indiana Jones 5, Ant man 3, the Marvels and Haunted Mansion were box office disasters.
Did you see it in theaters ?, homosexual.
This movie is almost offensively bland, there's truly nothing to value or take away from it. The songs at best would at least breathe life into it's likeability but if course those are all mild and forgettable. The protagonist doesn't really get any proper desire (in a movie called WISH for god's sake) conveniently written around by her being too young to have a passion yet. Her supporting goat has little charm to offer and most of it was spent through commercials anyway. The star buddy was cute and the yarn gags were charming but it's also sadly as clever as the movie gets; the starboy companion would've been better, would've given them a swing at another Peter Pan/Jack Frost for fans to chew on and perhaps more importantly it would've given the protagonist someone to actually bounce off of instead of a generically supportive goat, an overbudgeted seven dwarves nod, and a silent plushie she's apparently psychically linked to so it doesn't have to get a voice. The villain is confounding because they bothered to give him a bare tragedy that never gets expanded upon so that he's pushed into his corruption, but why would a powerful magic man seeking to make a safe magical haven ever need or want to physically and spiritually capture the desires of newcomers in the first place unless he was already evil or planning on granting them immediately? If he was at least giving asylum to the repentant and deviant by way of pacifying them then the ritual would make some sense as desirable but of course that idea takes more than two seconds of thinking so we railway over it. On that note his pre-corrupted malice is all over the place between "I've never questioned this as wrong before (and never got precedent for thinking it's right) but I'm just gonna stick with it to be safe" and "well I'm the king and the best and narcissistic so you get no say in this (please don't wonder why such a wicked and self-absorbed king would ever have such a generous goal as our very setting).
Holy hell character limit but I've got more rant bear with me. Post-corruption King (now our proudly stated at-last no-shame pure-evil villain) sort of turns off as a character since now he's just That Thing The Plot Needs To Finish Up. His new motive is Get More Power for... just his ego? He doesn't really have any goals or obligations, and hell if the status quo is still on the table. Stopping him is as simple as his wife suddenly knowing about a hand cream that protects against the book's corruption, and singing a song that allows... Idunno it feels to generous to say the evil defeats itself or is hoisted by its own petard. It allows a reference to the magic mirror and the movie to end I suppose. Anyway moving on to side cast, if they can be called that. Grandpa is our plot-maker to a degree and his Wish is as generic as he wants to inspire people. Said genericness is the excuse for why it can't be granted. Quick tangent, shit move of the movie to (reasonably) address that some wishes can be bad yet of course have no actual wicked desires present. Just lovely citizens with pure dreams. Back to track, the mother is such a non character that we never even see her wish and we barely see her react to it being destroyed. Ironically fitting move since "oh no my unstated wish" is hard to sympathize with. Lastly there's the aforementioned dwarves. Sleepy gets some plot use, his friends think him incredibly dull and stale (somehow just him though), he thought he was fine, and this reasonably pushes him to be desperate for his wish. That minor character progression is all the seven get. Happy is nonexistent, Dopey, Bashful, Sneezy, and Grumpy constantly nod at their origin because what the frick else are they gonna do. Doc has smarts but her greatest character use is being our window to knowing people really wanna frick the king. Wonder if that's ever been a wish he granted. Sure couldn't guess because we never get anything for his wife either. Autismo rant over.
Yeah I got these genes from star trek (space)
Behold, the most disingenuous, desperate, divorced from reality video in Disney history.
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I hate to sound like a schizo but there's not an original comment on that video that doesn't seem bot generated or something. Weird overuse of emojis too.
Agreed. I have no idea how common bots are these days or if these people are really just that brain dead.
At least you can reply with this shit to those hyper-delusional coping shills that always default to company lines like
>Man, Disney REALLY dropped the ball on advertising this :^D I LITERALLY haven't seen any ad for it! Also, we just got out of Covid, so it makes sense it's underperforming! People are just tired of movie theaters and its no longer a valid measurement of popularity! It will make TRILLIONS on Disney+™ streaming YASSS!
Also i can't believe Disney dropped TWO of their biggest ever theatrical bombs in the very same month. At this rate they're losing anywhere from 500M to 700M JUST from Marvels and Wish. That's fricking insane to think about. Bombs big enough that even the fricking mouse gets hurt by them.
This video makes it seem like Wish is a universally loved smash hit all around the world, it's such a desperate cope. Does Disney think gaslighting advertisements like this will sell their shitty movie?
I love it.
Because its genuinely awful, I couldnt believe I had to mute every single shitty song.
It might have been just as bad as a film if it had been 2D if everything else had been the same.
But at least it would've looked good.
Ya'll said the same thing about Elemental....
>Working on your 100th anniversary
>Writer's strike is going on
>Well frick, they don't want us to use AI to write our stuff but they're on strike so we might as well use AI to write our stuff
>Produces this shit
>laughs while breaking even
It bugs me to an autistic level that those horns wouldn’t punch through and leave a small hole like that
That ain't breaking even.
Bust a Moo is such a terrible tagline, holy shit.
How will Disney save face?
Doubling down on diversity hires and calling us racist every time a new Disney movie flops.
But will they shun it like The Black Cauldron?
Probably not in this decade,
https://culturedvultures.com/wish-isnt-disneys-worst-modern-movie-its-one-of-their-best/
lmao
How long until drones say the movie was sabotaged and is an underrated classic like strange wiener
The songs sound like that WayFair commercial song.
Heh. Good.
Get woke go broke!
It could have been worse.
At least they removed the guy that wished to become a woman.
Don't lie to yourself, you know very well that at some point those frickers put it in the movie.
>$150 per location
Ten people went to see this on Wednesday. That's ten people per theater, for how many showings? 2-4? It's genuinely over for disney lol
Puss in Boots: The Last Wish day-to-day didn't even drop to this level until 3 months after its release.
puss 2 was a good movie
it had SOUL
Do black princesses not sell? Tiana didn’t sell well either and it was traditional animation.
They don't, but Disney will keep forcing them anyways. Black Little Mermaid actually did well domestically, it was the rest of the world that rejected her.
holy frick
Threadly reminder that this film flopped during a 4 day weekend. Kids had Thursday off for Thanksgiving and likely Friday as well in many places and it still pulled these numbers.
That's pathetic.
Wasn't it 5 days?
It's actually 7-days because Wish had a 1 day preview, and 2 day pre-preview showing that brought in 500k, which were added to the Thursday total. Disney tried every trick to goose the first weekend numbers.
>strong (literally)
>independent
>not "conventionally attractive"
>not even a princess despite being Snow White
>and yet the most likeable character in the movie.
get fricked didney
Shame that pic cuts off right before her feet.
I remember that last week they called me crazy when I said this was going to happen.
Disney is dead. It's been dying for years. Once Upon a Studio was it's unironic Swan Song. A reminder of everything the studio used to be. The senile, alzheimers ridden grandparent having a final moment of clarity on their death bed and recounting all the highlights of their life before passing on.
I'm going to go see this in a couple hours. Will report back.
Torrent it
This idea has merit. I don't like supporting *isney in any monetary way.
Here I'll link to a folder you can open in VLC Media Player.
Simply Unzip the folder and open it in VLC Media Player, and then you can get an interactive experience!
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Man, you rock. I do have reasons for paying money to see this thing though.
Why?
You can also do both!
>I'm going to go see this in a couple hours. Will report back.
lmao, why?
Just go on fmovies or something.
I have certain reasons, otherwise I would do so just out of principle.
>Budget $175–200 million
I literally cannot stop laughing
Wish? More like, I bet they WISH they made a better movie!
33 millions? sounds like a lot
that's chump change in Hollywood
Budget of 200+ millions.
> fricking sad
Why? Why would anyone who’s not a shill give a shit?
because we want good disney movies?
Are you a toddler?
Just came here to laugh at OP and (You)
>i don't give a shit
>posts in the thread
You criticize society but still participate in it. Interesting.
>BRAAAAAAAAAPP
We need The Thief and the Cobbler back
>I don't know if I'm elated or gassy
>but I'm somewhere in that zone
>For the first time in forever
>I won't be alone.
this kingdom needs a hero
I don't get it.
Dude these commercials are insatiable
How does anyone put up with this crap?
That thing looks like that fat star with the maracas in Mario Galaxy. Always wanted to frick that thing.
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Holy shit this sounds WAY more threatening than Magnifico's song.
The thread is dying!
Let's go to the next thread!
Why did they animate the MC gyrating again?
"We want the Cinemaphile Mirabelgay audience."
Man this movie is visually so repulsive, it's fricking insane.
Doubt people didnt watch it because its woke.
But it being made by woke "diversity over merit" hires certainly caused this to look like fricking shit and so unappealing even people who dont care about woke wont watch it.