This is legitimately the worst thing that has ever happened to the Batman franchise. Most of these sidekicks are completely unnecessary and serve no purpose at all besides ticking off demographic boxes for corporate editorial. They reduce Batman's time and presence in his own book and pull him into their moronic shenanigans, all so some non-binaries on Tumblr and Twitter who don't even buy comics can crop some panels of their favorite homosexual sidekicks and talk about how "wholesome" it is
 |
 Shopping Cart Returner Shirt $21.68 |
|
pleb
Just read Batman comics from 1969-1999. Batman is for Tumblrinas now.
Batman is dogshit when he’s not lighthearted. Even robot chicken Batman is better than that cucked loser in comics.
Bruce looks so lost lmao
He wants to say "I am the night" or "I am vengeance" but he just can't anymore because everything around him is so gay
Catchphrase Batman is just as bad as family gay man Batman
>le heckin' pancakes!!
Surprised she didn't say they needed bacon, that would have really emphasized how gay this is
Or have steph in the back wondering if they can order a pizza!! Damian will grab the asiatic peach coca cola!
They don’t need to do this when Alfred and dick did it 80 years ago.
The only egregious character there is Duke. everyone else there has existed since most of this board was born, at least in some form in Damian's case.
Yes but even then they were mainly off doing their own thing, this shit about pancake parties and family get-togethers feels relatively new tonally
Batman is about LGBTQ+ found families now, with Batman and his gay pal Ghostmaker and their adopted family of diversity hires and gays.
There were cute slice of life moments in Batman comics for ages. hell that's how a lot of the SA issues start off.
I think the funny thing is, people crying about this particular scene for being tumblr/twitter bait, fell into the bait themselves. The whole point was to make this scene super cutesy and wholesome exactly because this is what they are going to rip away from him in the coming months. They're not even subtle about it, the issue ends with a page after this and Bruce seeing this all on fire.
This is just as disingenuous as saying “cap punched hitler so red skull saying trump shit to paint that as nazi rhetoric is totally the same”
I’m so sick of you homosexuals who don’t own a single comic discussing a few panels you see in blog posts and on social media.
And they’ve been dogshit for all those ages. The robin gimmick stopped being ok after Jason, or early stage Tim at best, ever since it’s just been a drag on his personality and everything people actually like about Bruce.
Batdad isn’t Batman, it’s a moronic caricature with none of the edge people liked him for. It’s the exact problem that was happening to him after the CC and before the 80s when he lost his edge last time and turned into a homosexual joke
holy shit this is so gay.
t. Seduction of the Innocent
Right, the Batfamily is fine and has existed since Robin was introduced in the 6th Batman comic, but the writers and editorial just don't want to make crime or mystery stories that Batman fits best.
I think it would be cool to have a Batfamily book. Basically like Cass, Steph, Babs, and Tim living in Wayne Manor being the B-Team working their own cases and having Titan-esque shenanigans while Bruce & Damian are having their own adventures and Dick doing his Nightwing thing in his own solo. The three of them popping in from time to time to help out our just be in the background and vice versa for the rest apprearing in the others' books.
You're not wrong. Jason's death should have been a "never again" moment when it comes to sidekicks. It doesn't matter he was later resurrected, the guy who can't get over his parents death even after this long isn't about to get over the death of a kid that he put into harm's way.
They wrote around this by having most of the following sidekicks choose to be heroes independently instead of being recruited. Tim told Dick even if Bruce doesn't let him work with him he'd train to be a crime fighter to help people himself. Steph started to stop her father, Cass also came to Gotham to stop her father. Damian was taught by assassins and the whole reason Dick made him Robin was to turn that energy into a positive thing. Duke and his Robin gang ran on their own.
That only really works if they genuinely are independent. Hanging around in Bruce's house making pancakes doesn't strike me as very independent of him. At some point Bruce is just actively supporting them in being crime fighters.
>At some point Bruce is just actively supporting them in being crime fighters.
That's exactly what Bruce Wayne does. He funds their lifestyle, he pays their rent, he gives them food, arms them with weapons, and trains them to be child soldiers then sends them out in to the street every night to fight crime vs dangerous rapists and murderers. He's basically a slightly less creepy Jeffrey Epstein. Instead of fricking kids, he turns them in to child soldiers and street vigilantes.
Bruce is basically grooming and radicalizing children in to child soldier street vigilantes to re-enact and cope with his own childhood trauma, over and over again.
It’s cute you’re trying to fit in but this has absolutely nothing to do at all with Epstein
Both are billionaires who do weird shit to kids in their mansions. Batman adopting kids then secretly training them to be child soldiers is fricking weird.
No, Epstein uses a surrogate like NXIVM to get young women a new girls to come to an island in the hope of being models or dating rich men.
Batman finds himself surrounded by children who want to be capes.
Being disingenuous doesn’t make you fit in you massive fricking homosexual. Go back.
>Batman finds himself surrounded by children who want to be capes.
>Being disingenuous doesn’t make you fit in you massive fricking homosexual. Go back.
Epstein and Bruce Wayne are both billionaires who both choose to surround themselves with children and then groom them in to doing weird shit.
Most of these characters were, in their formative years. Tim and Jason are the only characters on that page who were trained and regularly worked with Bruce. but it's been 30 years for half of those characters so thinking they're on a "comes by the house" level isn't exactly a big leap.
That’s still bad and ignores the obvious emotional impact of Jason. The moment Bruce sees any of those guys volunteering he should’ve smacked them back down to earth and grounded them in their rooms. Even the story agrees after that bullshit Steph did faking her death just to discourage him from taking more sidekicks (which he proceeded to do anyway)
>Tim told Dick even if Bruce doesn't let him work with him he'd train to be a crime fighter to help people himself.
When was this? I remember Tim spazzing on Dick to dress up as Robin again and Dick telling Tim no, and Alfred giving Tim an old costume.
>They reduce Batman's time and presence in his own book
Good, Batman has been boring and stale for decades. Retire Bruce and make someone else the main.
Didn't they try that with Dick and people liked it?
Batman is Bruce Wayne. That’s how it’ll always be for film, tv, games and merch. Since those are the actual moneymakers, the books are keeping him as Bats.
Batman must go around stalking playgrounds looking for more mini-bruce waynes that he can add to his gay pedophilic collection of Robins.
Bruh, all these people don't understand Batman needs sidekicks because it represents him moving on, growing and realizing he can start his own family instead of wallowing in the death of his parents. It represents how Batman is matured and no longer an angry young man who swore vengeance against that which stole the most important people in his life. Instead Batman as a father is him raising kids and avoiding his mistakes, they're far more well adjusted than him outside Jason and Cass kinda? He still holds true to his oath and his ideals but he understand you can't live in the past forever. You have to move forward.
How many of these fricking kids does Batman need to move forward? He should just shitcan all of them except the biological son he has real obligations to, that should work for his adventures in maturity
Eh, there's a book out about that. tbh, Bruce. Damian, the Terrible Trio, Orca and Killer Croc and some furry tf shit.
Understandable, I just had to say that just because I hate the BATMAN DOESNT NEED LE ROBIN shit.
>just because I hate the BATMAN DOESNT NEED LE ROBIN shit.
Nobody is saying that. They’re saying they don’t need multiple robins, multiple not-robins and everyone acting like a homosexual progressive group of 15 year olds who prefer to act like 7 year olds at sleep overs.
The biggest problem is most of these characters are at an age where they want nothing to do with making pancakes with the senpai. The only reason they are is because they wanted to bait the gays on Twitter (who don’t pay for comics) before destroying it. I’d be all in favor of that if it mean it would be destroyed but the next writer will just bring them all back into the mansion as friends.
What people who actually buy comics want is Bruce, Alfred Dick and Damian in the mansion, everyone else never visiting at all.
I do like Jason as the edgy frickup moron but I get it, it is kinda fricking cluttered but that's more or less cuz they compounded with his sidekicks breaking off to do their own shit only for them to get a new model of robin.
Jason is the worst affected by this twee shit, because he alternates between constantly making snide and contemptuous remarks about Bruce in other books and then getting into these family get-togethers where somehow his seething about Bruce goes unmentioned and ignored
Non Cinemaphile media know how to deal with these characters
>“Jason what a pleasant surprise for you to visit!”
>“Ummmmm well that’s because they TRICKED me here, teehee. You know these slippery rascals, Daddy I’m not usually a social butterfly as you know so well *sips orange juice out of the carton and fingers the donuts*”
This is not the same boy who pushed cocaine-pushers off balconies because he saw their ex girlfriend dangling from a noose
>This is not the same boy who pushed cocaine-pushers off balconies because he saw their ex girlfriend dangling from a noose
I'm pretty sure nobody working at DC since the 00s know this when it's why Bruce bench Jason. All they know is RH and that he is Bruce's failure for being RH. Jason is too punk for these weak corporates and twitter dwelllers.
>This is not the same boy who pushed cocaine-pushers off balconies because he saw their ex girlfriend dangling from a noose
Remember when Jason personally murdered 80+ people and caused millions in property damage while becoming a Gotham City crime lord?
Remember when Jason beat Tim within an inch of his life in Titans Tower?
Remember when Jason dressed up as Nightwing and became a NYC serial killer?
Remember when Jason tried to murder Tim for realzies?
Remember when Jason tried to film CP by livestreaming a naked Batman and Robin on the internet?
I remember.
>I remember
Clearly since you can't shut up about it.
I think a lot of my problem with Jason is that DC made him go from basically being DC's Punisher to being best friends with the Batfamily. There was no redemption arc or anything, he kept on killing for a long time and Batman and everyone else just shrugged their shoulders and went "That's our Jason!"
Because countdown was supposed to be his redemption arc which got derailed thanks to certain writers. All these terrible stories where Jason out of nowhere went mad deserve to be ignored and never mentioned again.
Ironically, everyone can agree that BFTC and BB are awful and should be ignored. When it comes to Jason, they are suddenly important and deserves to be acknowledged. And don't get me started on ginger Jason.
Double standards and hypocrisy regarding Jason? Can't say I'm surprised. RHATO run for 10 years and over 100 issues, but they apparently don't matter and only these dumb stories where Jason almost got damaged beyond repair should be acknowledged never mind that he was nothing but a plot device in them.
>Regarding Jason
You say this like he’s a special case. That’s not even a special case in Gotham when Harley and ivy exist.
Nta I don’t understand the reply here…
I said I’m an oldgay and I consider anyone who wants to just kill Tim to be a relatively new reader. Anon accused me of not buying a comic after 2012. Which isn’t entirely wrong, I stopped buying new big two regularly after New 52. But it seems like a reductive accusation
And didn't Babs get someone killed in bftc?
Even TT. It's not like John's TT is remembered fondly and many would agree that it actually ruined Tim.
Didn’t it ruin Superboy and Impulse more? Cassie was a non-character essentially and Tim was a jerk because of course Johns seems to think of the Bat universe characters in only one way but I don’t remember him focusing on him much
I think it was Johns who made Tim suddenly obsessed with Kon. Before, he was barely a friend to him.
That's true, but Tim still had a solo book and the ruining was consistent across both titles. Impulse and Superboy got fricked AND they didn't appear anywhere else.
Anon they were good friends before Johns got involved, stop trying to force your narrative. All he did there was add an industrial helping of subtextual homolust to characters who'd already been shipped for years.
No that’s just what you homosexuals do with everything. You degenerates claim gatsby and carraway were gay for each other ffs.
>anon screeches about some random nonsense no one is saying and nobody's disputed in 90 years
yeah you sure are demonstrating your grasp on reality
They had a more tense relationship(which ironically is exactly what made the fujoshit start), they weren't buddy-buddy like they were in John's run.
You're trying to pretend something like their relationship in WFIII is relevant to how they were in YJ, where the whole point is that the entire team is friends and one of Tim's big moments is unmasking for them. The problem isn't that Johns made them friends, it's that he made them ultra-exclusive besties when that wasn't the deal.
And now he's gay because of it and basically useless as a character. The audience who actually paid money didn't want this.
nobody asked about your diaper
problem is around the same time, tim also lost his supporting cast and status quo, and drifted around aimlessly in willingham's run as he introduced and dropped characters, and in both runs he lost his more careful, introspective personality in favor basically making him junior Batman or a forgettable retread or NTT era Dick.
>thanks to certain writers
Countdown was also originally going to feature Dick not Jason. Based Morrison saved Dick from that shitshow and doomed Jason to it instead.
>Countdown was also originally going to feature Dick
Yeah, no.
It was teased by Didio at conventions and in one of his DC Nation columns. The same one where he acknowledged the backlash for wanting Dick dead in IC.
The story was clearly meant for Jason since it involves a plot about characters who died which why Donna was picked too. Nowhere it felt that the role is supposed to go to Dick like what happened in Nightwing where it was clearly meant for Jason.
Almost like they changed the plot when they changed the characters?
Original lineup was going to be Nightwing, Troia, Supergirl, and Ion. If you look at Nightwing, Supergirl, and Ion's books ~2006 it's all there as build-up. It became a dropped plot for Nightwing and Supergirl. This used to be common knowledge.
Basically I was shitposting here when these books were published, don't tell me what the stories "feel like" some 17 years later. Read some backissues.
Kinda crazy how much history is lost not having those pages in digital copies.
All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.
Countdown involved many characters, dude. Dick might have supposed to have some role in it, but I highly doubt that it supposed to be Jason's.
They gave him a soft reset in the New 52 and nobody bothered to correct for the pre-Flashpoint stories when they were reintroduced.
>There was no redemption arc
That was the whole point of the first 18 issues of RHATO
Blame the New 52, DC has still not recovered from the damage that clusterfrick did to their brand.
>Blame the New 52,
Late post-crisis was another clusterfrick. They didn't reboot it for shit and giggles.
Anon it was salvageable. They rebooted because they wanted to redesign and make everyone younger and more marvel-y. Diane Nelson was brought in and the modus operandi was “piss someone off”. I’m not joking. Almost word for word it was “generate a reaction and do something shocking.”
Didio said as much when he left and even during some of the retailer summits post rebirth.
It had nothing to do with continuity or it being a mess.
>It had nothing to do with continuity or it being a mess.
As someone who browsed through that era of batman comics retroactively, I disagree about the mess.
> it was salvageable.
For questionnable value and results. Some friends wanted me to read comics in the mid-late 00s but there was just no way when their "faves" read and looked lame in comparaison to any other comics/mangas. A clean reboot wasn't a bad idea from a strategic point of view. DC being DC, lacking the talent, and putting zero effort and thoughts at work is the problem here. Still is.
>The biggest problem is most of these characters are at an age where they want nothing to do with making pancakes with the senpai. The only reason they are is because they wanted to bait the gays on Twitter (who don’t pay for comics) before destroying it. I’d be all in favor of that if it mean it would be destroyed but the next writer will just bring them all back into the mansion as friends.
They act like 35+ millenials with arrested development who grew up watching Disney channel sitcoms, because that's who is writing these comics
>What people who actually buy comics want is Bruce, Alfred Dick and Damian in the mansion
Lmao, yeah right. It's not like Dick fans whine about Batman and how he should be separated from him. Heck, some of them even wish for Bruce to die and Dick become Batman instead.
And don't let me start about Damian who his existence actually hurt Batman.
>And don't let me start about Damian who his existence actually hurt Batman.
No Damian is good for Batman.
The Adoptive family hurt Batman.
>No Damian is good for Batman.
Yes no Damian is best Damian.
>some of them even wish for Bruce to die and Dick become Batman instead.
BatDick and Damian was kino though
I like Robin. Robin works well with Batman. Robin doesn’t turn Batman into some lame happy boomer dad wearing khaki shorts and sandals, Robin is a little troubled boy who is probably 3/4 as angry and troubled as Bruce is.
I ONLY like Robin.
These homosexual happy troony adults need to FRICK. OFF.
The moment any bat story has more than two “batfamily members” it instantly turns to sewage.
>Damian, the Terrible Trio, Orca and Killer Croc and some furry tf shit.
Lolwut. When did this happen? I've been out of the big 2 loop for a long ass time.
We understand it moron. Everyone understands it, the shitty stories aren’t exactly subtle when they’re yelling it in your face that batgayfamily is wholesome and makes Bruce wholesome.
That doesn’t change the fact it is fricking poison for Bruce’s character. Pathos makes man, not these homosexual fruitcakes pretending his personality should be about hosting them like parasites.
>Capeshit publisher ever letting a major character move on
get real homie
>no longer an angry young man who swore vengeance
No wonder Cinemaphile can't relate to it.
>Batman needs sidekicks because it represents him moving on,
You say that but the original reason why Bruce enrols Jason is because Bruce can't even move on from a break-up. Bruce being an autistic manchild who can't raise kid/teens is older than 80% of the batfam.
>the original reason why Bruce enrols Jason
Not true. That was a made up reason to soothe seething Dick fanboys who were angry at Dick getting fired. Bruce took Jason because he liked him and saw potential in him.
>Bruce took Jason because he liked him and saw potential in him.
That too but Bruce being emotionally compromised is in DitF, anon. That Nightwing issue was probably the last time all that was a thing, though. For what is worth, Bruce also took Dick in because he was emotionally compromised, projecting himself through Dick's tragedy.
That was published ages before Nightwing got a solo series. It was one of those rare NTT/Batman crossovers in the late 80s, back when Dick and Bruce were occasionally allowed to talk to each other.
People absolutely realize it.
That's why they hate it.
Most people who like Batman don’t give a rat’s ass about Robin. If anything, they think he’s lame and gay.
lol ok grandpa, who even says lame and gay anymore lmao.
If they eat junkfood like this they won't have the energy to be nighttime vigilantes.
>NOOOO BATMAN CAN'T JUST HAVE A FAMILY HE HAS TO BE EDGY AND BROODING ALL THE TIME!!!
>you don't understand! I need my heckerino wholesome family bats to live variously through! Or else I might remember I'm just a cat dad and a huge dissapointment to all those around me
perspective is so fricking off. 3d model placing is from trash artists that dont even know how to draw is the worst thing that has ever happened to comics. the fricking counter spoiler is at must be 8ft high compared to the one cass is sitting at and they follow different perspectives. the entire room is broken beyond repair because they jsut cut and paste 3d model shit into it and have no clue what the frick they are doing. batman's head is so tiny, its hilarious. but none of this was even drawn, so who cares i guess.
I think you're wrong about the perspective. It looks fine to me. Redline what you think is so bad about it please.
Be real, even back in the good ol' days artists bullshit perspective all the time in comics.
Nah. Perspective's fine you're just confused what you're looking at. Everyone's waist is over every one of these surfaces. That's not a dining table C.C is sitting at: it's an island for food prep she dragged a stool up to in defiance of decorum. The fact she's bent over and still not fitting there to the point she's got her knee over it is a part of the visual characterizing for her, not a rendering error.
Perspective fine but the kitchen is hella wierd
The sink is in the middle of the kitchen, the stoves are separated and in opposite corners of the room and only one has an exaust and even without that it's a tiny kitchen for a mansion
I get they wanted it crowded both for visual appeal and to convey Bruce's emotional state but it still a wierd kitchen
While I agree it's small at least from this angle and the layout isn't what I'd design: it's a kitchen in a sprawling five+ floor mansion. It'd be way weirder if there was only a single cooking surface and no dedicated work surfaces/prep stations, Also there are two hoods one's just behind the other and the speech bubble.
The sink still is way too small
That's a japanese apartment sink
That's probably specifically for use in preparation rather than washing dishes. Nobody puts the washing-up sink on an island.
>cassandra smiling
MY DAY IS FRICKING RUINED
funny that they practically ape shonen mangas/jrpgs shenanigans or party stuff and have utterly failed miserably.
Jesus Batman has more satellites than Jupiter
Finally someone said it. These characters are boring and don't add anything, they just work as props at best.
It's for the female/gay audience. Only women and gays like this Batfamily shit.
I thought these bats were smart and skilled. Chocolate chips work better in the batter, not just sprinkled on top. Might as well just pour M&Ms on them.
Steph is canonically a hoodrat and her culinary decisions should be viewed in that light
You could cull it down to Dick, Damian, Babs and maybe Jason if he wasn't in the family and was an antihero rogue again.
>You could cull it down
Which they already did that in N52. You know, the reboot you people still complain about.
Only losing two Batgirls is hardly what I'd call culling; Tim should've been cut in N52 and never returned.
They can't rid of any of the four robins because they are pretty popular and have a long history. It's pretty silly to think that this is a possibility at this point.
Alfred has a longer history than any of them and they got rid of him for 4 years and running. Perhaps a similar break could be warranted
>Alfred has a longer history than any of them
This isn't true since Dick existed before him and while he is important, he isn't popular like they are.
Yes he's wrong but I doubt he was talking about killing Nightwing. That's moronic. But killing Tim? Killing Jason? Steph and Cass? Sure.
Why not mention Damian who existed after these characters you mentioned? A Damian fan by any chance?
Because Damian is his only blood relative these days. Only a moron or salty timgay would want him dead.
Which makes him problematic to Batman. Most of the complaints about Batman these days are because of his "neglect" of Damian who pretty much become a burden to him.
These are mostly complaints by tumblr and Twitter homosexuals who actively think the batfam needs to be preserved and some stories written by homosexuals who hate their dads.
People like Williamson (as bad as he is) and tomasi at least would prefer them acting together. The homosexuals tearing them apart are usually proponents of tim being robin and Jason being more included.
They’re people who unironically think Tim is the best because he has a long run.
As an oldgay I always think of the “ kill Tim” crowd as newbies who started with Morrison
I still have my holofoil copies of Robin II: Joker's Wild from when I was a kid.
Kill Tim.
Lol cute larp homosexual but I don’t believe you own a single comic printed after 2012. Apparently you aren’t old enough to hide your samehomosexualry better.
> but I don’t believe you own a single comic printed after 2012.
Did you have a stroke, anon?
At least you said it without the ESL autism this time.
Bro I hate to tell you but given how many random stories from the johns era got tossed into superboy or Superman collections DC treats it like a classic.
>superboy
You act like he has many good stories to begin with. No wonder why they would pick from Johns'.
For better or worse ( worse, much worse) the Johns material is what gets adapted which is why it gets reprinted
His solo book was fine, at least early on. Better character than some nerds idea of an angsty jock who like 35
You're having a stroke, anon?
I did notice that Dick fans and Damian fans in particular are obsessed about the idea about getting rid of everyone else. The solo Batman fans usually want all of them gone without exception.
Damian is the current Robin and the youngest. He's #3 on the sidekick ranking. But yes, you can kill him too. I also didn't mention Duke but he can go as well.
All I need is Batman and Nightwing.
Alfred for the longest time was just some butthole they were fond of, the whole "Alfred is Bruce's father figure!" is just another flavor of twee shit. Alfred was far too passive in Bruce's life to be a father figure.
What is a father but an butthole you are fond of?
Yeah but that was a change for the better, Alfred as a character sucked shit before that.
This, they used to have it so that he was adopted by his uncle. These days that act like if a rich dudes parents die apparently the rest of the family doesn’t swoop in to control the fortune vis-à-vis the kid.
>Alfred was far too passive
He still is, that's the funny part. For all the boomers crying for him to come back, current Alfred is just a sassy satellite character that either exist to enable Bruce or be his jeminy cricket. DC's writers couldn't flesh out a character if their lives depended on it.
You people don't even fricking read Detective comics where there's zero fricking sidekicks and a moody Gotham story by Ram V, don't give me some bullshit about how this is ruining Batman.
Detective is worse than Batman, Ram is a complete snooze fest.
That’s not true at all. The whole homosexual senpai was there within a year or two.
Superman chads won
have a nice day homosexual the Superman family is just as gay and superfluous and kaminski should blow his brains out
>Superman chads won
>Superman's son was raped so hard by Ultraman that he became gay
If this be victory, I pray I never see another
Correction: HalChads won.
Bruce’s kids only are Damian and Terry.
The BatFamily is too big Maybe they should be called Bat-friends rather than Family...or Bat-Acquaintances.
The question actually should be:
Does all of this people count as part of the Batfamily?
Many of that people, are people they know or people they work with.
For me the Batfamily is.
Bruce, Dick, Damian, Alfred, Barbara
The rest are just people they work with.
He literally fricking adopted Tim.
Why are you falling for an obvious bait post?
>bait
At this point there's a ton of people who have just watched the cartoons and want the comics to just be that forever.
No, there is that one guy who has been trolling about how only "blood sons" should be counted since GW started. I'm pretty sure he is only mentioning Dick to be less obvious.
Bruce hasn't adopted anyone as of N52 and that continued in Rebirth. But "everything is canon" dropped since, which just mean each writer decid what's "canon" and not AS FAR AS their story(ies) are concerned.
> schrodinger canon
>Bruce’s kids only are Damian and Terry.
Terry should never be a thing in the mainstream comics, your mind is rotted by the DCAU. Cass is more important to Bruce than Babs ever was.
t's just Bruce, Alfred, Dick, Tim, Babara and Damian. the rest arent part of the actual bat-family.
The Batman family, the Superman family and the Flash family are all incredibly bloated with characters that overlap each other. There are also too many human Green Lanterns.
Time for another Crisis event!
Maybe DC is setting up for a Twilight of the Superheroes event for when they're in deep shit.
You're right, we SHOULD kill Guy Kyle and Hal
Isn’t the Superman family considerably smaller than the Batfamily?
Like isn’t it just Lois, Jon and Kara, maybe the dog too?
There's also Steel, Lana (I think she's still Superwoman), Kon, PG
Why are there so many character families now? WHERE is DC going with this? Delete the bat family, delete the superfamily, delete the flash family.
They make you delete your family so you can live through their corporate made slop family
See
Maximize sales without any extra effort by having members of Batman's "family" each have their own title, or team-ups, for as long as people fall for it.
Just give us more of the batkids being bros instead of being at each other's/Bruce's throat. Is not that hard
I'm not a big fan of the batfamily but I'll take shit like this over gotham war
Batman is way more fun when he's a father than some brooding c**t. He's known these kids far, far longer than any of his memories with his long dead parents.
>Batman is way more fun when he's a father
Frick no. Are you a woman?
You think only women like stories that have characters become parents?
And gays.
this board is so.fricking miserable. there really isn't any good place to discuss comics online anymore is there
What do you expect? Comics fans apparently like to whine about things they don't actually read.
>there really isn't any good place to discuss comics online anymore is there
why would there be when there are no longer any comics worth discussing?
I mean the comics are made to “stick it to the chuds”. Why are you mad that we’re reacting exactly as expected and desired?
This is the place, but the comic has to be good.
Nobody talks about comics if they're good. We're just an internet hate machine.
I’m dead serious kill your self. You are the problem here. Nobody else. have a nice day or leave.
>Batman 136
made me read the chapter. It was just a purposely sappy scene before it slides back into the usual Batman depression.
Yeah but we can't let that get the facts of this extremely standard Batman issue get in the way of OP's homosexualry.
This should not be presented as a bad thing, Bruce should be relieved by this. Zur-en-Arrh should take over and start snapping all of his sidekicks' necks
I'm having vivid flashbacks of the tik tok chick recommending not to read comics but instead read batfam fanfiction b/c it was better.
Wasn't the whole Wayne Family Adventures we toon meant to contain this stuff?
Why is she putting chocolate chips on the pancakes after they've already been cooked? Is she fricking brain dead?
She's doing it wrong on purpose... she's ... spoiling them.
up
For the record I would happily frick anyone in that image so idk I don't think it's that bad
Strangely enough, I like the Bat Family. But I fully get the people who feel they're extraneous, especially considering how many Robins there are like DC's trying and failing to catch lightning in a bottle twice in a row. Me, I generally view them in the same way that you would with Sherlock Holmes and John Watson. As fun as the ridiculously grim and gritty eccentric dark knight dressed up in a halloween costume is on his own punching out thugs and quipping stupid puns to himself can be, having a second sane and competent person keeping up with Batman both mentally and emotionally helps keep the character from being lost in their own overhyped legend and remind us that there's a person under it to root for. And while you could certainly argue that you don't need the WHOLE Bat family for that task, I'd still rather that they be there than not at all, since the comics seem to think removing Alfred and Jim Gordon from the role of Batman's minder was the right move.
But that's just me. If you really wanted to go highlander on the bat family and reduce it to like one sidekick, that's fine too. I just know that loner Batman is written to be so insufferable nowadays by shitty writers, so I can stomach the more useless sidekicks if it'll keep writers from going the other direction.
live
oh well
>he still reads cape comics
Why wouldn't they put the chocolate chips in the batter?
I sort of like the idea of Batman in a different home base just for the novelty of it (didn't be briefly have a penthouse?) but I don't like the whole wholesome Dad thing. I also don't like the edgy butthole Batman but I think they work best as a somewhat dysfunctional family.
I don't get why no one is able to recreate the dynamic from the Bruce Timm/Paul Dini shows. Every other one they try falls a little flat
>Why wouldn't they put the chocolate chips in the batter?
because she told her literal homosexual ex-boyfriend to put them in and he didn't so now she has to settle for this. Just one more way Tim has disappointed her.
>didn't be briefly have a penthouse?
For like 10 years in the 70's until the 80's.Recently, he's been living in a brownstone building.
The main book should have one sidekick at a time besides may an event. The other sidekicks can have their own books or even a shared book.
Reading about Batman getting his ass kicked is awesome
Agreed
That looks like some juvenile party in MMORPG.
Lego once conducted a study on the different ways boys and girls play. They gave Batman Lego figures to different groups:
>Boys would play with the Batman figure as though it was Batman. They would act out fighting crime, swinging from rooftops, etc. They completely immersed themselves in the role of Batman for fun.
>Girls would play with the Batman figure as if it was them. They would act out their normal activities, playing around why they might be dressed as Batman. They projected themselves onto the figure, and wouldn't roleplay.
>Unrelated to this study, but from a separate one analyzing created characters in video games: it was found that men had a mostly equal variance in if they would willingly choose to play as a male or female character. Women, on the other hand, almost solely played as female characters, and would actively avoid playing as a male.
Women genuinely, fundamentally, cannot immerse themselves in a character without trying to see their real selves in it. They cannot enjoy a character they don't see as themselves, whereas men have no issue with connecting a character that has almost no similarities to them in real life. Have you noticed modern designs typically get defended as "reflecting reality", and "being someone you can relate to"? The issue is women. It is inextricably, unavoidably, the fault of women.
crawl back up your hole, troll
Batman getting up at 5:30 in the fricking morning frick off with that shit, if I was a billionaire I wouldn't get up till noon.
My policy when it comes to Superman has always been, "No undies, no buy".
When it comes to batman, my policy is, "more than one sidekick, no buy".
I'm easy to please. Though usually I'm not.