This is the best Star Trek, right?
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This is the best Star Trek, right?
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its the 2nd worse behind TOS
First post worst post.
shut up geezer loser homosexual
I outgrew Star Trek while this show was on the air, so I only watched the first season and maybe only part of that. Born to late for TOS, TNG will always be my Star Trek, the one I remember fondly. Back when it was on Netflix I used to marathon an episode every once in a while just to recapture that cozy feeling.
you didn't outgrow star trek, ds9 just wasn't very good.
How does one outgrow Star Trek? It's by far some of the most intelligent writing ever put on television.
One outgrows Star Trek by realizing that what you just said isn't in any way true.
>One outgrows Star Trek
so it was not Star Trek anymore
>How does one outgrow Star Trek?
At a certain point in our age cohort, there's a Trek airing that you won't watch because you're out and about trying to get laid.
>marathon an episode
Yes
kind of, yeah. it had more exploration of the human experience through different alien races than the others at the expense of actual exploration
Best captain and 2nd best character (israelite archetype guy)
It's great, except for Commander Sisko. He's an odd character and too agressive/shouty, lacks the gravitas of the other captains. Still worth watching for the rest of the crew.
>He's an odd character and too agressive/shouty
I always assumed he was supposed to be the opposite of Picard since TNG was also airing at the time.
the role was originally written for somebody much younger which is why he's not even a captain at the start
Together with TNG, yes.
>best star trek is just a complete ripoff of another show they shamelessly stole years long carefully planned documents from
What show is it a ripoff of?
Mitsuteru Yokoyama's Babel II. it's about a boy and his multiplanetary space station
DSN sucks gay butt and eats shit and stuff you idiot
Can I skip straight to DS9 or do I have to watch the original series and NG first? I really liked Babylon 5 and DS9 seems more up my alley than the other two.
It’s bad have a nice day right now
DS9 is fine to watch without previous context.
There's a few TNG episodes you should probably watch before DS9. Namely, "The Wounded" "Ensign Ro" and "Chain of Command" Parts 1 and 2. These episodes will introduce you to the political situation DS9 revolves around.
You can go in blind but there are a bunch of episodes in TNG that get continuations in DS9. At the very least I would recommend The Defector, Best of Both Worlds I & II and Sins of the Father, but I don't know how effective those episodes will be in isolation.
>The Defector
Where does the Defector get a continuation? Is the Jolan Tru chick the daughter of the defector ?
It doesn't but I included it because romulan political intrigue is a factor in later DS9 seasons and the episode really feels like proto-DS9.
>not recommending the wounded
>the episode that literally introduces Cardassians and makes O'Brien a real character
ngmi
watch TNG using a guide first, others have already mentioned that it pulls directly from some TNG episodes but you really should get to know its universe and characters in general. a couple of them end up on DS9 later on and get fleshed out a lot, it'd be dumb not to be familiar with them and their backstories already. TOS isn't necessary, 80s/90s trek is largely self-contained and TNG is the start of it
Yes
Dukat and Garak made DS9 enjoyable, all the Federation cast are paper thin. The plot vehicle that was Bajor pozzed later TNG and all of DS9.
Don't you shit talk my man O'Brien.
But why did they make him suffer so much?
Because he was a normie
blue collar
He's Irish
Why does that matter?
He was an OP character.
The Federation stuff it the least interesting aspect of DS9 and the best characters are the non-Federation and secondary/supporting. Sisko being involved in the Bajoran religion was a weird choice and not one that added value to the character. Much of Kira is muh Bajor muh Cardassian war crimes, with the writers not properly knowing how to tackle her having been a terrorist - which is just the wider problem of the issues of the occupation. They never really knew what to do with Bashir. With Jadzia the symbiont (what should be the most central thing about the character) is not really that explored and when it is it is mostly shallow 'my former host...', the whole wise mentor figure gets abandoned quickly and she just becomes as insufferable and smug. Jake does not provide any interesting insight about non-Starfleet citizens. Worf and O'Brien have their moments however, they are carryovers from TNG rather than DS9 originals and much of Worf's stuff is Klingon not Federation focused. The best characters are Odo (before becoming a massive simp for Kira), Quark, Garak and Dukat.
>The best characters are Odo (before becoming a massive simp for Kira), Quark, Garak and Dukat.
Based
delete this.
>delete this.
Dukat became so much of a turbo queer in season 7 I can't even stand him now.
>Marc Alaimo is unfathomably based and correctly portrays Dukat as the charismatic hero of his own story
>Dukat becomes incredibly popular and fans start sympathising with him
>writers of the show catch wind of this and purposefully sabotage his character in the last seasons because they don't like nuance, make him go pah-wraith kerrrazzzzy
Unforgiveable.
I'm weird, Voyager was really the first star trek I really got into, so it's more special to me.
>This is the best Star Trek, right?
if you are gay geezer wienersucker NL, yes
too stationary, but probably the best written
Why does everyone hates Deep Space Nine? I love it
It is
>have comfy space station humming sound
>walk the promenade in the wee late hours
>ponder how far life has come, what’s next? What will tomorrow bring?
>as the day starts the space station slowly awakens, the travelers, merchants, cargo pilots and all slowly fill the promenade
>await more hijinks from quark.
>be on the frontier of unexplored space
I'm new to Star Trek. Which ones should I watch? What's your opinion on each entry?
SNW!
TNG first, then DS9. Then after, it doesn’t matter what order for TOS, Voyager, Enterprise. The movies for TNG are not good and it’s another optional pick. I haven’t watched the OG movies.
Bonus if you can handle watching TNG and DS9 together like their original air dates.
I forget when DS9 started during TNG, because Worf eventually joins DS9.
>The movies for TNG are not good
Reddit Letter Media brainrot. They're pretty good. Time for Cinemaphile to lay off the youtube slop
First Contact is the only really good TNG movie, Insurrection is unnecessary, Generations is just fine and Nemesis is moronic.
As for the TOS movies:
1 is kino but (and I say this with no irony) it's too smart for some people to fully enjoy.
Wrath of Khan earns its reputation entirely and should be required viewing as a sci fi fan
3 is decent with some flaws but suffers from following up from 2
4 is hysterical but a lot of people sleep on it since it's very much a comedy
5 is dogshit and not worth watching
6 was basically a TNG era plot with the TOS crew and is very engaging seeing the old cast in a more serious dramatic setting, not much for you if you're a more casual fan but it sets up some stuff lorewise that's pretty critical in TNG/DS9
>First Contact is the only really good TNG movie, Insurrection is unnecessary, Generations is just fine and Nemesis is moronic.
Your opinion is heckin' valid and all but I will give a counterpoint:
>First contact is a good movie, but it isn't really Trek in spirit - it's just a fun action romp.
>Insurrection has the feeling of a good TNG episode outline that was shelved and brought out and ruined slightly by actor ego, but it has the feel of a TNG episode.
>Generations had birth defects from go; it could have been good if the entire TOS cast were brought forward in time (or TNG, backwards), they worked together as a team, and parted ways. The old cast could have faith the future is in good hands and the new cast could feel like they received their heroes' blessing and approval. Instead it was just a vehicle for Shatner and Stewart to out-compete each other for Best Captain and it had so much wasted potential.
>Nemesis is an abortion.
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Were I in charge, I would merge First Contact and Generations. The Borg do some sort of time shenanigans and then the TOS and TNG cast are both thrown back to fix it by working together to solve a problem.
At the end of the day, they are all serviceable movies (except Nemesis, the movie so bad it made Picard Season 3 seem better as a sendoff to the characters).
I like some parts of Nemesis
>the nature vs. nurture themes touched upon
>Romulans are always great
>the battle was pretty cool
that's about it...
Overall I would agree but I was just trying to give a quick rundown for anon's sake - First Contact is a solid sci fi action flick it just doesn't fit TNG, had it been about the DS9 gang it'd probably be a better fit.
Your analysis of Insurrection works but it's also why I call it unnecessary- it's basically just a mid tier TNG episode with a big budget, a lot of its ideas are done more cohesively in other episodes.
Pretty much agree 100% about Generations though
what gets me though is fans said that Insurrection should have been a Dominion War movie which would decide the outcome.
which would take the thunder away from DS9 and making it all about the TNG people.
which would be terrible.
TOS -> TNG -> DS9 -> Stop
LODE -> TOS > GAY -> GEE --> ZER
TOS is optional but it holds up in my opinion. Very well put together for the time. If you're interested in it at all start there. If not, TNG is fantastic. If you're into it check out the rest from that era.
They all have fantastic episodes, there's viewing guides for each series of what are essential and what you can skip, definitely give it a chance.
I always recommend TNG, DS9, TOS and then whatever you want after. ENT is decent but it takes a while to get going. VOY is watchable but never gets better from S1
>VOY is watchable but never gets better from S1
it's been eons since I've watched it, but the later seasons are definitely an improvement over the early ones just because they don't have Seska and those weird tribal aliens. plus 7 of 9 (one of the two good characters the show has) only shows up in the latter half
>VOY is watchable but never gets better from S1
It gets good around season 3-4 once the DS9 writers get on board and push Borg / 7of9 plot lines
Picardo almost ruins it single-handedly.
Worst take i have ever seen
look someone has to finally say it.
The show became the Him and Seven show and the rest of the cast lost out a bit.
It's not his fault that he's just better than the other cast.
He has one great episode, Latent Image, and one of the worst episodes of all time, Message in a Bottle.
>doesnt enjoy andy dick
some people are simply beyond help.
>one of the worst episodes of all time, Message in a Bottle.
that was a great episode, even with Andy Dick.
DS9, TNG and TOS are all worth watching.
Quark and Odo had such a kino dynamic
I didn't like DS9 for the longest time, mainly because I couldn't stand either Cardassians or Ferengis, so I never watched. I finally gave it a chance this year, and found out it was really pretty good. I'm still repulsed by Cardassians and Ferengis though.
What were the Eugenics War?
genetic enhanced humans fricked the low iq
"SOMEHOW" they lost
and they lost again
and then lost because high IQ cant understand 3d
Genetically enhanced humans created on earth during a period barely explained became warlords and tried to conquer the world because their enhancements made them violent and cold, failed and some of them scaped to space in cryosleep.
It's the (bad) star trek take on the nietzschean Ubermensch.
yes. only trek with plot.
>In the Cards
>The Visitor
>The Ship
>Facets
>Waltz
>Children of Time
>In the Pale Moonlight
Some of the best TV ever produced, and better than any episodes of any other Star Trek series. DS9 did more World building than all the other series put together
BORING
>I'm a turbopleb
embarrassing
Yes you are. DS9 is the grayest, blandest, bumpy foreheadest trek. Read this in that shitty Sisko shouting voice.
>The Visitor
>writer girl a cute.
>she's Garak's daughter IRL.
I was hyped up for Waltz but it turned out overrated.
Hard Time is a good one.
I literally just watched it. It was kino.
Sisko is down there with a guy he knows for a fact is mentally ill and then deliberately goads him into having a complete breakdown. This almost results in Bajor being destroyed later.
Spoilers, butthole
Not even trek.
this, gay taior romance and commie propaganda not for me
Worst of the old, but fantastic compared to any new ones.
I want Kira to sit on my face.
wrong
Why does Trek exist when Babylon 5 is better than all of it?
It's the most consistently good one, but it's overall kinda meh. The other series have better individual episodes that stand out and are remembered.
>TOS - best crew
>TNG - best plots
>DS9 - best characters
>VOY - best vibe
>voyager best vibe
Mindless slog is a vibe I suppose
it means that it's the comfiest
the only comfy thing was the mess hall
who was voyager's science officer again?
>who was voyager's science officer again?
Unofficially, Seven. I don't think they had one before her. Janeway was supposedly a science officer before she switched to Command so maybe she thought she didn't need one.
I can think of two reasons
>he or she probably died along with the original CMO and first officer
>they didn't feel they needed one, as Voyager's original mission was just to grab Chakotay and head back to DS9
change "vibe" to "potential setting" and you might have a point
I loved Voyager as a kid but it seems to be pretty disliked. Can someone remind me why that is?
poor consistency, irritating characters (varied), lack of consequences (despite the writers petitioning for it), being a TNG retread for the most part, lack of real character development for half the cast, chakotay's indian bullshit lol, demystifying the borg and turning them into the goofball villains of the week, probably some other things I can't remember off the top of my head
>demystifying the borg and turning them into the goofball villains of the week,
Like what?
like turning them from an almost lovecraftian existential threat into a dumb ant colony they outsmart with no consequences every time they run into them
I herd you liek lizards so I put a lizard on yo lizard owo; But fur real doe Voyager had among many things an incompetent crew starting from that so called captain, she somehow with a Deus-ex machina spaceship got her crew stuck and on top of that open saboteur she kept them from fixing it. -see when TNG managed without Q help to get out of the wormhole that brought them to TOS's ship.
try posting against after you take your antipsychotic medication
Issues with certain characters and the acting of their performers; the Delta Quadrant was not that interesting; Voyager kept the same cruise ship quality Enterprise had despite having completely different circumstances. Ultimately, Voyager did not come across as having anything meaningful to tell/explore and squandered its potential. Some people find Voyager comfy however, it is not really a show that should have had the comfy factor it did. A show about the Equinox would have been way more interesting.
Are Ferengis supposed to be israeli? Everytime I hear them talk I keep imagine some israelite rubbing his hands talking about ~~*profits*~~
yeah pretty much
the chakotay stuff is funny as frick though, they hired a guy who made all his shit up and scammed the frick out of them
there are three representations of gods chosen people in trek
>ferengi - the caricature
>bajorans - the victim (woe is me muh 6 brazillion dead wrinkled noses)
>the founders - masterminds behind the scenes, controlling a race of yes men (goyim) and slave soldiers (north american pavement apes)
no argument here, but it was still dumb and hurt the overall quality (then again, it being so bad was kind of a high point you'd get excited for if you sensed it approaching)
Bamp
Dunno; I never watched it. My sister watched Voyager.
The one good thing I will say about Generations is that the scene with Kirk in his old house in the nexus is really, really good. Shatner completely dominates the moment.
The shitposting is getting in the way of the real questions here.
Kira or Dax?
(Ezri) Dax
death
This was never a question, no man would pick Kira over either Dax. The real question is:
Jadzia or Ezri?
>traditional tomboy gf who you can discuss /k/ with
>smug party bawd
tough choice. i will say nana vistor aged much better though
Hugo
No, it's the worst, it's not a real star trek. They are not exploring space, boldly going where no man has gone before, plus it has the most annoying characters, like the ferengi annoying ugly b***h, that stupid elastic beta nerd, that feisty short tempered b***h who betrayed her own people, that captain who tries too hard being a wise person, but has the charisma of an avocado. Or his son what a little b***h. Or how about that doctor, utterly forgettable. It's why they had to bring on Worf and O'Brien. Only character worth a damn is Gul Dukat, one of the best bad guys ever in Star Trek. TNG and Voyager are way better.
>that doctor
>Voyager
Yup. He and Data are the best characters in the entirety of Star Trek.
Best character is the gay lizard in DS9, not the gay doctor on Voyager or the gay robot on TNG.
Yes, the hologram doctor in Voyager has charisma and, just like Data, has very interesting story lines about what it is to be human.
No, ENT is.
Cry, homosexual.
I think it's the best ST for the times we live in now and works best as a compliment to TNG or TOS, you need the contrast imo.
DS9 is the most Manichean Trek both in internal cosmology and in its role as a "contrast-which-defines" to Roddenberrian optimism.