This is the most powerful character dialogue in all of Gundam
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Bait thread.
You c**tala.
Probably, she was lifting large slabs of concrete by herself.
That doesn't really mean anything when she struggled to keep a door closed when frail ass Miorine was trying to open it.
Maybe that door was made out of adamantium
GUND-Format prosthetic penis that will feel like the real deal.
Daily reminder both of them grew up to be heterosexual women that dutifully produced descendancy and served their husbands after the show ended, and there's no amount of yurigay or troon seething that can change that fact.
Fanfic
Agreed my fellow land owning noble. The women must back up to us!
Indeed.
That's up to interpretation.
we know they dismissed the yuri shipping
This is why you should actually watch the show and read the interviews instead of parroting second hand information. They said they weren't married. Not that they weren't together. They also only said they weren't married after the VA brought it up. They were quiet about the characters having engagement rings, Mio saying she was Eri's sister in law and Mio saying they were going to be family. They keep releasing art of the characters with their rings too. It was a PR move. Gay marriage is still a big issue in Japan with some parts giving alternate certificates that aren't even recognized in other areas. You can't even register on the family register of your partner in many places. You have no power over what happens if they go into the hospital. You're basically treated like a friend. Families have to adopt their kids spouse.
When their togetherness had always been based in the holder system it doesn’t really mean much. They were already calling each other bride and groom the whole time so it doesn’t really mean much when they’re just abiding by the contract of the holder position.
Except the whole point of the relationship is that they evolved from just being contracted to actually liking each other. How do people miss that? It's a romcom staple. Regardless of how well you felt it was done, that was the point.
>How do people miss that?
It involved two girls.
The issue is in Romcom staples usually the characters break the contract and then love outside of it while in G-Witch both Miorine and Suletta completely adhered to the Holder system the entire time. Most fake dating has a moment where the characters disavow or end the ruse pf why they started fake dating but none of that is here and they keep the same attitude for each other from start to finish. They’ve always cared about and needed each other, that’s been how it was from the start.
She "broke up" with Suletta and left her to work with Guel towards the end of the series and they reconciled before the final battle.
In which Suletta got the holder back thus reinstating the contract instead of going to see Miorine as just Suletta and not the Holder. The issue is it’s a half assed way to do it and still has the obligation. If Suletta just went to Miorine in her standard uniform and proposed to her or said she’d be there for her that way instead of placing the onus on the holder position I wouldn’t have this issue but they use it as a crutch way too often.
>instead of going to see Miorine as just Suletta
She still did that, the only reason she got the holder title back is because Guel wanted a duel with her and lost.
A duel which she could have refused and still seen Miorine against Guel’s wishes. Honestly her going against Guel to see Miorine despite him being the holder would have been much more impactful and a much better way to show her true dedication to Miorine.
>No, I'll go see Miorine because I love her. I don't need your approval.
She could have just said no.
Yeah which explains the fencing duel where she reclaimed the holder
>How do people miss that?
because they didn't show it. they only telling us they were in love and promotional art and op and ed are not substitute to actually showing their progress in the show. the only one who had any real character progress is guel and he's the only character people still like in the show.
>How do people miss that?
By being stupid.
They actually never said they weren’t married either
Their rings did say they were though.
If there's one thing I do like out of WfM is that scene because that's a good display of showing but not telling (Ericht calling Miorine "sister-in-law" aside).
Sadly, we may not get that again if Gundam dares do another yuri couple.
Okuchi just wanted to do a Turn A reference. (Diana has a ring in the ending but nothing is said)
frick this show
it was supposed to be a war series but then after the prologue it got changed to a high school drama
show creator admitted this on twitter
It was changed well before the prologue ever went into production
Proof or it didn't happen.
https://www.zeonic-republic.net/?page_id=9814
The prologue focuses on story elements that were only introduced after the rewrite
>Stafg jump at the chance to pivot from their original story to a Utena Shakespeare crossover fanfic
Okay I was wrong, the entire writing team were hacks, not just Okouichi
>They didn't make a story about the same shit i've seen so 40 years so they suck
nah you're just a homosexual
Instead they made a shameless copy of 2 slightly more recent stories instead, down to the names. That is SO much better
guilty crown and valvrave are over ten years old
yes they instead decided to do a wholesale ripoff of a show from 30 years ago instead
Yeah, which show? Be specific
SEED
Bait used to be believable
Playing through Armored Core 6 and getting to see a mecha story done through a corpo dystopia setting really makes me wonder what crack they were smoking to decide that it was better to do "Muh Tempest adaptation" instead.
It is sulemio's love story afterall.
I really hope the upcoming artbook will have the concept art of the original plot
There’s an artbook?
So that explains why Miorine overshadowed Suletta herself as an MC.
Explain why the Suletta/Miorine romance felt ultra bland : it wasn't supposed to exist
We could have had Suletta with actual motivation instead of MUH MIORINE
>Witch from Mercury
>Mercury is never relevant.
This is all you need to know to see how hard they wasted the setting. Making her backwater hometown a better place should have been Suletta's first and foremost motivation. Then they could have made Miorine the one who actually helps her make that dream come true, by having the economic know-how to push back against the obstacles the corpo hell setting would present. (Corps don't want Mercury to be a better place because it's permet rich and easier to exploit when the inhabitants are poor and reliant on them.)
Lastly it would have actually been a good point of division between Suletta and her family, since while Mercury is her childhood home, to Ericht/Prospera it's only the hellhole they were forced to hide in because of the unjust persecution that killed their entire Vanadis family. Make it so Quiet Zero plops itself near Mercury because it's functions necessitate Mercury's permet richness, and whatever it does would end up being damaging to Mercury.
Was Cradle Planet a similar case to the Prologue? That would explain how the shitshow happened at least.
Cradle Planet and the Prologue were both written after they had switched to the new plot, the original didn’t even have corpos
>Making her backwater hometown a better place should have been Suletta's first and foremost motivation
>Ends up forgetting about Mercury
>Opens a school on Earth instead
>Ends up living on Earth instead
Sasuga
Actually she opens schools on both Mercury AND Earth that are both apparently perfect despite manga and the shithole of Asticassia being her only experience with schooling, and never once even talks to a teacher character about it
Reminder that Suletta only has 2 lines in the entire show about this "character motivation" of wanting to open a school before she ever even went to one (Come to think of it she never even graduated, LOL)
She could just throw money at people who actually run schools.
>Character fulfills their goal by throwing money they get from their space princess sugar-mommy at it.
Good way to make a character look like they barely give a shit, unless being a gold digger was Suletta's ploy all along.
The thing with Suletta's "Open schools on Mercury" thing is that it's more encompassing than straight forward. It's not just about dumping buildings on Mercury, it's about improving the place so that people are inclined to actually live there. Cradle Planet establishes that Mercury has a population of mostly old people, Suletta grew up alone with only Aerial for company because there were literally no other children there for her to interact with, or at least not enough for her to organically develop social skills with.
The goal of "Opening schools on Mercury" also encapsulates the goal of ensuring there's children to fill those schools, which means making Mercury into a place people would consider raising a family on.
It's funny to headcanon that after the epilogue there's just some insanely high priced schools on Mercury worth more than all the other infrastructure combined, but they're mostly empty with classes only a handful of kids large.
Honestly I think the whole "schools on mercury" thing was literally just there so Suletta's character has something to it besides being Miorine's orbiter
At this point yeah I could see that, Suletta pining about Mercury schools and Lauda calling her a Mercurian bumpkin every five episodes was the only thing that related to the shows title after all.
Exactly why I advocated that should Ad Stella get an animated continuation, Okouchi, along with Takuya Okamoto and Hiroshi Kobayashi, shouldn't be involved.
Thank God none of you wrote the story.
it's insane how hard you're coping right now
>Ad Stella continuation
This is Harmony Gold levels of coping. How about instead of waiting for your dream-movie to come out you write its screenplay and sell it to who cares?
Just make a new AU at that point, you moron. No reason to carry the baggage.
I don't really feel like there's a story here still worth telling.
Does it matter if it doesn't involve Okamoto, Kobayashi, and Okouchi? You can use the hypothetical sequel to finally put an end to corporations being allowed to do as they please since they can still try to reclaim their assets despite Miorine giving them to Earth-based nations upon the dissolution of Benerit Group. Not forget to mention what happened to Shin Sei (we didn't see Godoy or the rest of the company when Quiet Zero was dissolved) and Dominicus.
Maybe some other Gundam in the hands of some Rebel group/Terrorist group in earth, wanting to take revenge against the Spacians? And Miorine is a target for being a Rembran? And even more interesting, our main character is the Pilot of said Gundam that, while a good person to their people, absolutely despises Spacians for all the damage that happened.
If there's still a story worth telling in Ad Stella, it should just be a reboot with the Gwitch cast, they're good characters saddled with a shitty script.
Like your revenge character idea, it's not bad but could have easily been done with Norea if she wasn't wasted being chained in a basement for School Shooting 2: Electric Boogaloo. Shit you could have even made Notrette a Du Noc for added drama and actually having substance on that character. Fits her name and Norea/Mio look similar enough to be distant relatives.
The only one I can think about is a proper school story about post-series Asticassia.
>When you take a look at the world around you today, the power of nations isn’t necessarily what makes the world go around, right?
What the frick is he smoking?
If that was Takuya Okamoto who said that, as he did so along those lines elsewhere (https://www.zeonic-republic.net/?page_id=9814), he really wanted to subvert expectations of the usual Gundam story to keep it fresh.
How is a generic high school and generic 'kids make the rules' subverting anything? From Okouchi's past projects (Code Geass, Valvrave) to Utena and Utena-inspired mecha (Star Driver) - the range of copied material doesn't make this show look any 'fresh'. Just because you slapped the Gundam label on it, doesn't make it any subversive.
I meant subversive in what to find in a Gundam story. No Gundam AU used a high school setting before, much less be a yuri story.
>No Gundam AU used a high school setting before
Wing did for a time. As did Unicorn. They knew where to quit and move the action elsewhere, unlike this show.
Fair. Most likely they just got tired of inventing wars. Whether it be an Ad Stella sequel or another AU, I'm hoping they'll make use of the Russian Invasion of Ukraine as inspiration for a war setting.
IBO only featured a 'war' in the second season. The first season was about politics and rising to the top in your industry. If even a low-effort Gundam like IBO can do something interesting with the setting, what's exactly stopping the writers of The Witch? I think they hope to coast on Okouchi's name alone and never put any effort into the show, because Okouchi + yuribait = guaranteed returns.
>If even a low-effort Gundam like IBO can do something interesting with the setting
No it fricking didn't. IBO was b***hed at endlessly for not using its setting well, for not having mech battles, for having boring characters and for having little to no plot. I swear, people either weren't here when IBO was airing or they're letting their hatred for Witch block out what these threads were actually like when IBO was airing. Every fricking complaint people have about Witch was said about IBO. Including the staff coming out with interviews post show as damage control. In fact, Witch has had far less damage control than IBO.
The difference is upon rewatching IBO you realize that while underused, people completely missed the point of the setting being the way it is and how that plays into the themes of the story
>people completely missed the point of the setting being the way it is
Which will happen with G-Witch once the next gundam show comes out.
There is no point to Gwitch's setting being the way it is. Well, beyond facilitating a Utena fanfic
See
I saw and my statement stands.
As does mine.
No because G-Witch's setting doesnt do anything to enrich your understanding of the themes. IBO's setting was intentionally made to facilitate characters who were good at war who wanted nothing more than to live the lives of regular kids. G-Witch's setting does not further enrich the story of any of the characters and the main characters gain nothing narratively being in their world compared to any other setting. Mika is a character who could only thrive in his world, same with Setsuna and Heero etc. The world fostered a part of them that you could see as a throughline. Suletta could be placed in any setting and absolutely nothing about her or her journey would change. Thats the difference in setting between WfM and IBO
Glad to know you will passionately defend g-witch in a few years.
I wont because there are no deeper themes to it nor intrigue in the world. IBO was interesting because of the world and the way it molded the characters. Mika being a murder manlet is bland until you realize he actually didnt want to be that way and tried to move against it at every turn.
See you in a few years.
My opinion isnt as fickle as yours
Considering you weren't doing this for IBO when it came out, I think it is.
I wasn't discussing in these threads when IBO was out. I've always thought IBO was overhated and Mika was entirely misunderstood because people weren't trying to understand the situation he was in
So is this the default argument for defending Gwitch now?
It would have worked for IBO
IBO had actual themes on top of the blatant yaoi bait. G-Witch is just saying hold your family accountable unless theyre a woman or cute and never be open with the people you love until its the most critical moment and also revenge baaad
>never be open with the people you love until its the most critical moment
Not sure if you’re trolling or just illiterate
It's both.
Miorine was never open with Suletta until she was at her breaking point. Same with Prospera and Eri to Suletta. And even Miorine to Delling. There is no communication until it makes or breaks the relationship and even then it's less communication and more just one character venting at the other and the other nodding their head along to it.
>Miorine was never open with Suletta until she was at her breaking point. Same with Prospera and Eri to Suletta. And even Miorine to Delling.
And they were always in the wrong for that.
But nothing ever changed nor got better
Yes, and that was shown as a Bad Thing that they were Wrong To Do. It’s not exactly subtle about this
It really wasn't because in the end no one does any better and Suletta just days that it's okay because they did it for a reason. They really just said that it was okay in the end as long as its out of love.
That's wrong, they acknowledge it as a mistake and what's important is what you do moving forward.
By once again having Miorine do the same thing and Suletta only talk to her when it’s absolutely dire and never once do they talk about their problems in a mundane way to show that you shouldn’t let things bottle up? They really don’t do a good job at actually presenting shit, all they do is say it and never show it.
If they did, they should have...I don't know...SHOW THE CONVERSATION TO US.
The few themes that G-witch has, they can't even do it well.
All done for the Yuribaiting. Not to different when Western Series make use of something similar to keep up the popularity of the series in the middle of it, except here it was one of the pillars and they didn't even did it well
>SHOW THE CONVERSATION TO US
The literally did,
>IBO had actual themes
Implying that GWitch was thematically void only illustrates that you are media illiterate.
Then enlighten me. What themes did G-Witch have that tied its characters to the setting?
the military industrial complex
So... every other Gundam? Dozens of hollywood movies? Millions of bargain-bin military novelettes?
You're telling me that you're wanting a sequel to fricking chinese-ripoff METAL GEAR?!
It's not that Gwitch was devoid of themes, but rather that it went on to completely frick them up. Like the following two for example.
>Transhumanism
Despite it's major relevance in the prologue and the main gimmick of this AU's gundams, Eri (The character most strongly connected to this theme.) is barely a character and ends up a keychain as her big ending pay off.
>Adults taking responsibility instead of having children bear their burdens.
Even though the show tries to make a point that this isn't correct, all we really get is some lip service from Kenanji right before the Quiet Zero plotline. Otherwise the epilogue completely misses the mark on this.
>Peil hags get away with everything.
>Naji/Olcott get off scott free.
>Prospera basically does too, outside of GUND paralysis which was introduced so last minute it reads like the writers realized she was getting off too lightly so they had to put in some sort of divine punishment for her.
>Delling, who is the root of the main conflicts in the story, doesn't even have any definitive punishment. Just some a bunch of court hearing vagueness. Somehow the best one though, since it isn't just nothing.
Meanwhile you have things like Nika going to jail for three years, Shaddiq taking the pin for Quiet Zero, and Miorine having to make amends for Quinharbor instead of Prospera. Gwitch "Had themes", but it went on to trash them so atrociously they might as well have been nonexistent.
Classism
Discrimination
The unchecked power of corporations
The relationships between parents and their children
>N-nuh uh!!
You morons always move the goalpost.
>Transhumanism
That wasn't one of the themes. All the permet/Gund stuff was there for plot reasons. That's like saying Minovsky particles were one of the themes of 0079
>Meanwhile you have things like Nika going to jail for three years, Shaddiq taking the pin for Quiet Zero, and Miorine having to make amends for Quinharbor instead of Prospera. Gwitch "Had themes", but it went on to trash them so atrociously they might as well have been nonexistent.
Powerful people receiving no punishment while those on the bottom are?? No way??? Almost as if that's on purpose because that's how that works IRL. LMK what Fossil FUel execs have ever been jailed V. how many activists/journalists have been killed/jailed
Shut the frick up you stupid uneducated piece of shit. You are not among peers knuckle dragging simpleton.
>alphabet people
Go watch your loser virgin cocomelon youtubers
>That's like saying Minovsky particles were one of the themes of 0079
It is.
Those arent themes, those are checklists to make your media "deep" and "interesting" without doing any leg work to actually do so outside of throwing around the terms racism, whatever fantasy slur, and family. G witch had no message it was trying to send. IBO was a clear message about Not flying too close to the sun and knowing when to fight vs when to compromise. The characters exemplify this and make it a coherent story that teaches a lesson.
Gwitch is unicornically worse at portraying racial tension than seed. That isn'ta compliment to SEED, it's me telling you it can't even reach that bar. In Gwitch one of the early episodes had Miorine accuse Chuchu of "reverse racism" and it was treated as her saying some smart compelling argument
>That wasn't one of the themes. All the permet/Gund stuff was there for plot reasons. That's like saying Minovsky particles were one of the themes of 0079
Themes are a part of a shows plot? They're not completely separate things. Eri ending up a keychain when the prologue talked about how GUND could give people literal android bodies and make them compatible with space isn't something you can just handwave with "Well the show was never about that". Eri is an important endgame antagonist alongside Prospera, and there should have been more focus given to her abnormal state.
>Powerful people receiving no punishment while those on the bottom are?? No way??? Almost as if that's on purpose because that's how that works IRL. LMK what Fossil FUel execs have ever been jailed V. how many activists/journalists have been killed/jailed
Going against the themes or morals of your show is fine, but the tone should match that. If the intent was to portray an accurately dark "People in power will get away with it while those below them suffer in their place", then the epilogue shouldn't have had such a happy and cheery atmosphere. Either pick one or the other, you can't have your cake and eat it too.
>Powerful people receiving no punishment while those on the bottom are?? No way??? Almost as if that's on purpose because that's how that works IRL. LMK what Fossil FUel execs have ever been jailed V. how many activists/journalists have been killed/jailed
I wonder who could be behind this post
subhuman, you aren't needed and gwitch is 2/10 show at max, go learn something instead of being shit
>media illiterate
do not parrot subhumans
tbh I think the biggest issue with Gwitch is that it didn't even do shit with the school. We don't see real rivalry, any courses... It's not a war story, it's not a school story. It's just a weird family story.
Reminder Unicorns' school is as fleshed out as Asticassia with only 15 minutes of screen time
>No Gundam AU used a high school setting before
Schools tended to be used to enrich the stories rather than being the entire focus and even when there is no big frick off school setting, there are still a lot of moments where the characters are mentored by characters and learn mundane things about the world or how things work. The fact that Suletta didnt even have a proper teacher/mentor is already missing the point of having it be a school.
>much less be a yuri story.
Why is this a point towards the show? Does it being Yuri specifically make it more special than it being a romance between a man and a woman or two men or just a friendship in general? I feel like they really should have gone with either a yuri story or a school story because both doesnt work. Having Suletta steal Miorine away from whatever prince character and helping her realize her strengths after shes been pathetic would be a lot more interesting for both characters than the absolute snoozefest we got.
>Having Suletta steal Miorine away from whatever prince character and helping her realize her strengths after shes been pathetic would be a lot more interesting for both characters than the absolute snoozefest we got.
Honestly, this would have improved the plot so fricking much.
>The show was originally going to be something different
>Change the whole setting altogether because ME LIKE HIGH SCHOOL AND ROMANCE
>LET'S MAKE IT YURI SO IT'S DIFFERENT
>Piss off many Gundam fans while at the same time inviting trannies into the fanbase and they start causing many problems
>Bandai steps in and retcons the gay shit
This show will be forgotten about and I hope Bandai blacklists who changed the original concept of the story.
I don't understand why people have to make up shit like this to bash the show. If it's so bad you wouldn't have to invent stories and scenarios in your head.
they’re genuinely upset at how popular it is
It isn't even as popular as seed
>it’s not as popular as the most popular AU
How horrible
It’s only popular because of recency bias. The next Gundam will be just as popular because Gundam is just a series where even if the worst gundam comes out, people will still follow it because it’s big.
But that's literally what happened, we've had several threads showing screenshots of alphabet people losing their shit and making things worse
Why do GWitch fans have no real argument for the show and just boil down to calling people liars and schizos?
No that's not literally what happened. Making things worse for who? They have no control over the show or the discussion of the show. Just because they're b***hing on Twitter doesn't mean they're being heard. No one gives a frick about them.
The creators called them homosexuals!
Post it.
where is my fricking MODEL KIT for the Lfrith Pre Production
bandai you fricks
every shot I've seen of the characters makes me think an AI drew them
they unironically look SOULLESS
thought this since day 1. the characters look and act like nonhumans designed/wrote them and the art/animation itself is just so generic and soulless it's honestly a lil unnerving.
bot show made by bots, for bots (with almost no robots funny enough)
Really nice ending.
I hope a new work in the ad stella world with completely different characters will be made. the prologue, episode 15 and Vanadis Heart shows there's potential.
Then you have never watched G Gundam or any other gundam series for that matter.
>groom
yea that sounds about right
Gundam is dead as a franchise.
>dead
That's why we're getting that SEED film, right? Gundam couldn't be more alive than now.
Personally, I'm excited for the future of Gundam, whatever that may be
I’m watching it now. It’s actually a lot better than I expected. It reminds me of “made for the western audience” like 00 but instead of being made for teenage millennials, it’s made for twitter. It’s hilarious to me that the cultural war stuff is all in there. I thought people were just shitposting about it but it’s real.
The animation and fight scenarios are all high quality, I don’t see a lot of reused footage or anything.
My biggest 2 criticisms so far are the dueling concept sucks and I wish there was more Miorine suffering because she’s awful.
Overall it’s way better than IBO, that show was fricking dogshit
What about 00 was westernized? It didn't even do that well with western audiences?
00 is just Wing with solar powered Gundams
>I wish there was more Miorine suffering because she’s awful.
Her killing people (that she hates killing) isn't enough for you?
Just because it’s not reused footage does not make it good animation. The style is dogshit and the mechs rarely if ever look like they’re actually fricking mechs. A rendition of an animated car looks more like a mech than they did.
I see you’re point, I’d like to hear you explain it in further detail. But it’s still better looking than Dogshit Ironhomosexual Orphans in my humblest of opinions
Iron Blooded Orphans animation disaster is actually really overblown and I say this as someone who remembered it being absolutely horrendous. The thing that, in hindsight, kept IBO from being unwatchable was the amount of detail they put intothe shots surrounding the lackluster animation. G-Witch has none of the mech Sakuga shots where the mech is actually rendered properly and the use of gradients on everything beneath the sun muddles the colors. If you have the time, I’d tell you to watch the entire first episode of both shows and take screenshots of the mech shots. G-Witch never pushed into the high quality renders and kept a consistently middling one while IBO fluctuated but the mechs and the background mechanics are allowed to be pushed and rendered very well in moments where it needs to be that way. Aerial and Barbatos sakuga shots are on entirely different levels and practically all of Aerial’s sakuga requires it to be on a specific background while Barbatos simply is the sakuga in and of itself. That’s just about the mechs, I’m not going to bore you even more with the “style” comparisons and why one is a lot weaker than the other.
Her perverted face is my favorite part.