Mixing a half adaption of The Dark Knight Returns and The Death of Superman into a single story is still so fricking stupid I cannot believe it got greenlit. >Yes, let's have Batman and Superman's first film together be an adaptation of a story that famously features a dramatic fight after 30 years of friendship and teamwork, and also within the same film that is their first meeting let's kill Superman via the one character famous for killing Superman. Oh and also let's have Batman sacrifice himself for Superman in a later film, so rather then having the two most famous DC characters actually talk to each other normally at any point, let's show their friendship and professional relationship exclusively via them trying to kill each other or themselves in sacrifice for the other while having to put up with Gal Gadot's shit acting.
What part of DKR is being refuted? I truely haven't heard anyone make this point so I want to hear why you think this before I say anything else. Because as far as I can tell Snyder used DKR much like how he used Watchmen, good visuals but missing the point entirely.
You can't raise a point then back down and say "no u" when asked to explain anon. I asked you to expand on what you meant since I was genuinely interested to hear your point and since you've clearly developed the thought but then you ask me who literally has never heard of this interpretation until a few minutes ago to explain it.
Can you not see how moronic that is?
2 years ago
Anonymous
If you can't realize how BvS is a refutation of DKR i am sorry, but you're too moronic for us to carry this conversation. I'll have to hand-hold you through every little point. I am not doing that.
Go grab a glass of water and while you're doing that think for two minutes about the movie. You'll get there.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Of course he can't, he's a Snyder fan.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>refuses to explain again
don't even deserve a (you) at this point mate.
I actually liked the idea of what he said but then he just refuses to actually talk about it. Trying to talk to Snyder fans is nothing but "2deep4u" type replies every time.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not that anon but I'm assuming he means that DKR is about how Batman has to become more violent to deal with modern crime. BVS is all about how Batman being harder and more violent on crime is a bad thing despite how much worse criminals are becoming.
Frick it.
DKR is about Batman realizing the world has gone to shit since his retirement and returning to try and fix it, and then being hunted by Superman who's a lapdog of the establishment in the name of the greater good. Superman is framed as the antagonist.
BvS is about Superman reacting to the world being shit and doing everything to try and fix it, and then being hunted by Batman who's a lapdog of the establishment - Lex Luthor, the media, etc - in the name of the greater good. Batman is framed as the antagonist.
Good?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Firstly, thank you for explaining, that is a genuinely interesting thought.
Secondly, it'd be an inversion not refutation you stubborn dickhead.
2 years ago
Anonymous
How is that a refutation? It's just the same story but with the characters' roles swapped around.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Batman who's a lapdog of the establishment
Batman isn't a "lapdog of the establishment." He's out of fricking control what with the killing people and branding criminals. >lapdog of the establishment
Jesus fricking christ what moronation is this? Like Batman's cosying up to the president or something? Holy shit that's so fricking stupid you actually made me angry. Lex is able to easily manipulate Batman because in these movies Batman is a fat fricking moron. It's completely out of character for Batman to be a dumbass as he's supposed to be a genius detective but Snyder doesn't understand these characters AT ALL. Frick this movie and frick Snydertards.
2 years ago
Anonymous
If you don't understand how Batman is on the side of the establishment in that movie i can't help you. There's a reason he quotes Dick Cheney.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Snyder makes Batman right though. Superman is a moron who gets buck broken by Darkseid. Killing him now would prevent the timeline where Darkseid won. Snyder is an idiot who undercut the entire premise of the movie if his intent was to have Batman be wrong because we know that Superman will indeed turn on us
2 years ago
Anonymous
The very next movie says that one of the motherboxes called out once Superman was dead. They would have been fricked by Steppenwolf.
2 years ago
Anonymous
A biased guy who's taking all his viewpoints from the big media and being used as a tool by the industrial military complex isn't part of the establishment? Just because he's breaking the law in the protection of a supposed status quo that doesn't mean he's not part of the cog.
2 years ago
Anonymous
kek, based
posting the superior movie
2 years ago
Anonymous
>superior movie >posts another movie where batman is a fricking dumbass that can't speak basic Dora the Explorer-tier spanish and all the clues are spoonfed to him
2 years ago
Anonymous
>anon tries to act smart by calling BVS a “refutation” and demanding anons to think for themselves >anon used the wrong word so he just confused and angered everyone
I fricking love snydergay threads, there’s always idiots like you.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>doesn’t explain himself for 30 minutes, citing it’d be too complex >clearly explains himself in just 14 seconds
What did he mean by this?
2 years ago
Anonymous
He had to quickly rewatch the youtube video essay he stole that interpretation from.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>"refutation"
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not that anon but I'm assuming he means that DKR is about how Batman has to become more violent to deal with modern crime. BVS is all about how Batman being harder and more violent on crime is a bad thing despite how much worse criminals are becoming.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nope, brainlet take.
Go grab a glass of water and while you're doing that think for two minutes about the movie. You'll get there.
TDKR was an anti-Superman story with Superman acting as a government stooge to hunt down Batman. In BvS, this is reversed. Batman is the villain protagonist made into a puppet by Luther to hunt down Superman, who explicitly does not allow himself to be used by any government. His opening scene is him taking down a CIA drone to stop it from leveling an African village, a direct refutation of Superman’s portrayal in TDKR in which he assists the US military in a military intervention overseas. BvS is pro-Superman.
cheers for actually articulating, the other guy was/is being a dickhead and eventually explained himself but thanks regardless. I am actually going to be rewatching mos/bvs and first time viewing zsjl this week so when I get to bvs I'll have this thought in mind.
I worked in a cinema at the time, and the reactions from the few customers who showed up... oof. The distributors thought we'd fudged the figures because of how badly it did. Total overconfidence in its performance. After a few days they renegotiated so we had fewer screenings. Only time I saw anything like it.
Most people didn't, because that wasn't an option until Blu-ray and the digital release. Even now it's less widely distributed than the theatrical cut.
>movie is called Batman v Superman >they fight a cgi dumpster for half an hour at the end
the most infuriating capeshit trope. WHO IS ENTERTAINED BY THAT?
would have hoenstly been not that bad if they just stuck with the fricking premise, but no we need a computer generated random monster to end this movie with and tack on half an hour to an already 3 hour movie frick off.
The reason WB panicked like they did was due to negative reception, in particular in reference to how "dark" the movie was. I think reception might have been kinder to BVS if it released in full but overall it still would have been controversial so I think WB would have fricked Suicide Squad and Justice League regardless.
Hmm, that sounds probable. I remember watching BvS in theaters when it came out and being baffled. It felt so unfinished. IIRC Warner Execs screened the Ultimate version, gave it a standing ovation, and then cut 30 minutes of the movie out due to fear that it was "too long"
>Warner Execs screened the Ultimate version, gave it a standing ovation
see that was absolutely marketing bullshit, if that were really true then the mess wouldn’t have happened.
Aka the disney shills and disney Twitter who were already out to tank it. Disney most likely were involved for most of the backlash as they did the same thing with Sony's spider man franchise and their little FUD campaign. Guess karma finally came for ole Feige since the real one hasn't been seen since 2020 lol.
it's up there, his justice league is worse but that doesn't count as a theatrical film
i'd still say fallen kingdom and fantastic beasts 2 are even worse than both of them, though
> his justice league is worse
Genuinely do not understand people who act like ZSJL was not dogshit. Must just be them tossing him a bone because of his daughter an heroing
>Genuinely do not understand people who act like ZSJL was not dogshit.
Genuinely don not understand people who act like ZSJL wasn't one of the greatest films ever created.
Kek, Keaton is an even bigger shitter. The truth is Pattinson is the only great Batman adaptation on screen. Bale, Keaton and Affleck were just cancer to the character.
cool
You need to watch more movies then
Yes it's pretty atrocious
OK troony
Should've watched the Ultimate Cut
>he watched the theatrical cut
shoulda been born with taste
Filtered.
Snyder hate is a cult
It's kino
Have you seen Jurassic World Dominion?
literally will be remembers for centuries to come
snyder has fricked up so bad he will be remembered as the guy that killed both batman and superman.
not great, but it's cleanly better than every single MCU movie
Mixing a half adaption of The Dark Knight Returns and The Death of Superman into a single story is still so fricking stupid I cannot believe it got greenlit.
>Yes, let's have Batman and Superman's first film together be an adaptation of a story that famously features a dramatic fight after 30 years of friendship and teamwork, and also within the same film that is their first meeting let's kill Superman via the one character famous for killing Superman. Oh and also let's have Batman sacrifice himself for Superman in a later film, so rather then having the two most famous DC characters actually talk to each other normally at any point, let's show their friendship and professional relationship exclusively via them trying to kill each other or themselves in sacrifice for the other while having to put up with Gal Gadot's shit acting.
BvS isn't an adaptation of DKR, is a refutation of it. If you can't see it you're unironically a brainlet.
What part of DKR is being refuted? I truely haven't heard anyone make this point so I want to hear why you think this before I say anything else. Because as far as I can tell Snyder used DKR much like how he used Watchmen, good visuals but missing the point entirely.
Just think for a second, man. It will be easy to realize the why and how.
Oh okay so there's no refutation at all you're just talking out your ass, thanks anon.
Fricking smooth-brains.
You can't raise a point then back down and say "no u" when asked to explain anon. I asked you to expand on what you meant since I was genuinely interested to hear your point and since you've clearly developed the thought but then you ask me who literally has never heard of this interpretation until a few minutes ago to explain it.
Can you not see how moronic that is?
If you can't realize how BvS is a refutation of DKR i am sorry, but you're too moronic for us to carry this conversation. I'll have to hand-hold you through every little point. I am not doing that.
Go grab a glass of water and while you're doing that think for two minutes about the movie. You'll get there.
Of course he can't, he's a Snyder fan.
>refuses to explain again
don't even deserve a (you) at this point mate.
I actually liked the idea of what he said but then he just refuses to actually talk about it. Trying to talk to Snyder fans is nothing but "2deep4u" type replies every time.
Frick it.
DKR is about Batman realizing the world has gone to shit since his retirement and returning to try and fix it, and then being hunted by Superman who's a lapdog of the establishment in the name of the greater good. Superman is framed as the antagonist.
BvS is about Superman reacting to the world being shit and doing everything to try and fix it, and then being hunted by Batman who's a lapdog of the establishment - Lex Luthor, the media, etc - in the name of the greater good. Batman is framed as the antagonist.
Good?
Firstly, thank you for explaining, that is a genuinely interesting thought.
Secondly, it'd be an inversion not refutation you stubborn dickhead.
How is that a refutation? It's just the same story but with the characters' roles swapped around.
>Batman who's a lapdog of the establishment
Batman isn't a "lapdog of the establishment." He's out of fricking control what with the killing people and branding criminals.
>lapdog of the establishment
Jesus fricking christ what moronation is this? Like Batman's cosying up to the president or something? Holy shit that's so fricking stupid you actually made me angry. Lex is able to easily manipulate Batman because in these movies Batman is a fat fricking moron. It's completely out of character for Batman to be a dumbass as he's supposed to be a genius detective but Snyder doesn't understand these characters AT ALL. Frick this movie and frick Snydertards.
If you don't understand how Batman is on the side of the establishment in that movie i can't help you. There's a reason he quotes Dick Cheney.
Snyder makes Batman right though. Superman is a moron who gets buck broken by Darkseid. Killing him now would prevent the timeline where Darkseid won. Snyder is an idiot who undercut the entire premise of the movie if his intent was to have Batman be wrong because we know that Superman will indeed turn on us
The very next movie says that one of the motherboxes called out once Superman was dead. They would have been fricked by Steppenwolf.
A biased guy who's taking all his viewpoints from the big media and being used as a tool by the industrial military complex isn't part of the establishment? Just because he's breaking the law in the protection of a supposed status quo that doesn't mean he's not part of the cog.
kek, based
posting the superior movie
>superior movie
>posts another movie where batman is a fricking dumbass that can't speak basic Dora the Explorer-tier spanish and all the clues are spoonfed to him
>anon tries to act smart by calling BVS a “refutation” and demanding anons to think for themselves
>anon used the wrong word so he just confused and angered everyone
I fricking love snydergay threads, there’s always idiots like you.
>doesn’t explain himself for 30 minutes, citing it’d be too complex
>clearly explains himself in just 14 seconds
What did he mean by this?
He had to quickly rewatch the youtube video essay he stole that interpretation from.
>"refutation"
Not that anon but I'm assuming he means that DKR is about how Batman has to become more violent to deal with modern crime. BVS is all about how Batman being harder and more violent on crime is a bad thing despite how much worse criminals are becoming.
Nope, brainlet take.
Go grab a glass of water and while you're doing that think for two minutes about the movie. You'll get there.
TDKR was an anti-Superman story with Superman acting as a government stooge to hunt down Batman. In BvS, this is reversed. Batman is the villain protagonist made into a puppet by Luther to hunt down Superman, who explicitly does not allow himself to be used by any government. His opening scene is him taking down a CIA drone to stop it from leveling an African village, a direct refutation of Superman’s portrayal in TDKR in which he assists the US military in a military intervention overseas. BvS is pro-Superman.
cheers for actually articulating, the other guy was/is being a dickhead and eventually explained himself but thanks regardless. I am actually going to be rewatching mos/bvs and first time viewing zsjl this week so when I get to bvs I'll have this thought in mind.
You’re welcome, Anon. I hope you enjoy the films more this time around. If not, then oh well.
True
Sorry wrong pic
I worked in a cinema at the time, and the reactions from the few customers who showed up... oof. The distributors thought we'd fudged the figures because of how badly it did. Total overconfidence in its performance. After a few days they renegotiated so we had fewer screenings. Only time I saw anything like it.
>he didn't watch the Ultimate Edition
Most people didn't, because that wasn't an option until Blu-ray and the digital release. Even now it's less widely distributed than the theatrical cut.
I get that, if we weren't on Cinemaphile.
Why wouldn't you at least search for the best cut of the movie out there?
zack snyder is basically uwe boll, only with a bigger budget
more like the greatest pleb filter put to screen
shit taste m8 way to out yourself as filtered
peak capekino
SIRS
>movie is called Batman v Superman
>they fight a cgi dumpster for half an hour at the end
the most infuriating capeshit trope. WHO IS ENTERTAINED BY THAT?
would have hoenstly been not that bad if they just stuck with the fricking premise, but no we need a computer generated random monster to end this movie with and tack on half an hour to an already 3 hour movie frick off.
Do you guys think the DCEU would still be alive if they released the ultimate cut in theaters?
The reason WB panicked like they did was due to negative reception, in particular in reference to how "dark" the movie was. I think reception might have been kinder to BVS if it released in full but overall it still would have been controversial so I think WB would have fricked Suicide Squad and Justice League regardless.
Hmm, that sounds probable. I remember watching BvS in theaters when it came out and being baffled. It felt so unfinished. IIRC Warner Execs screened the Ultimate version, gave it a standing ovation, and then cut 30 minutes of the movie out due to fear that it was "too long"
>Warner Execs screened the Ultimate version, gave it a standing ovation
see that was absolutely marketing bullshit, if that were really true then the mess wouldn’t have happened.
Aka the disney shills and disney Twitter who were already out to tank it. Disney most likely were involved for most of the backlash as they did the same thing with Sony's spider man franchise and their little FUD campaign. Guess karma finally came for ole Feige since the real one hasn't been seen since 2020 lol.
>worst big budget film
It's the best ever made.
Not even close.
I haven't seen BvS, but I sincerely doubt it's any worse than The Rider (2017).
On second thought, The Rider probably had a miniscule budget, so your point stands.
I love it
>not the josstice league
The Batman is way worse.
it's up there, his justice league is worse but that doesn't count as a theatrical film
i'd still say fallen kingdom and fantastic beasts 2 are even worse than both of them, though
> his justice league is worse
Genuinely do not understand people who act like ZSJL was not dogshit. Must just be them tossing him a bone because of his daughter an heroing
>Genuinely do not understand people who act like ZSJL was not dogshit.
Genuinely don not understand people who act like ZSJL wasn't one of the greatest films ever created.
It’s 3 hours of Snyder having a schizophrenic breakdown
Thank god, The Batman wiped away the disrepute to Batman's reputation brought about by this film.
Which is why they're reshooting all their upcoming movies to replace Keaton with Affleck.
Kek, Keaton is an even bigger shitter. The truth is Pattinson is the only great Batman adaptation on screen. Bale, Keaton and Affleck were just cancer to the character.
You haven’t seen many then