This is unironically a great film, first time viewing it. Far better than trash like Come and See or A Space Odyssey
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This is unironically a great film, first time viewing it. Far better than trash like Come and See or A Space Odyssey
>This is unironically a great film, first time viewing it.
Yes
>Far better than trash like Come and See or A Space Odyssey
No
Yes
Maybe?
Kys
You're unironically big mad
How is "Make America Great Again" ironic?
Because America is still great, and never stopped being great. Duh.
Make America Ungreat Again
language keeps evolving, chud
all words are made up
"unironically" is just a synonym for "genuinely", it's a perfectly legitimate word, and you are unironically a homosexual.
it unironically means the intended meaning is not the opposite of the literal meaning doofus
also
>demonstrate
thats a lot of words to say you get no b***hes lil bro lmao
Merriam-Webster says you're wrong. Also:
>In linguistics, a neologism (/niˈɒləˌdʒJzəm/; also known as a coinage) is any relatively recent and isolated term, word, or phrase that nevertheless has achieved popular or institutional recognition, and is becoming accepted into mainstream language.
>accepted into mainstream language.
You're the autist, if you actually understood linguistics you would understand that language doesn't even really exist, its an undefinable amalgamation of our collective, individual dialects. Unironically is legit, your post is not.
It's the word you use to let people know you're not being ironic when you're saying something that people would expect to be said sarcastically.
Especially since literally and seriously have been absorbed into sarcasm as exemplifiers
Well that image is worth reading but you're a stupid ass demonic neet that's just posting it randomly so attacking you is justified.
>people use word and understand each other
>THAS NOT A WURRRD!
Shut up, homosexual.
>trolls and autists understand each other perfectly when they use meme words
lmao
People who argue semantics are always the biggest brainlets.
>"UNIRONCALLY"
>DEMOSTRATE
Kys
>something cannot be an "un-incongruous coincidence"
That'd just be a congruent coincidence, which is perfectly possible. Something can be unyellow and uninside too, by the way, though we use 'non-' instead of 'un-'.
>something can be either intended literally, or ironically -- the former precludes the latter
which is why unironically is used as a synonum for literally.
If you actually wanted to be autistic about this, the real problem is that people use 'unironically' and 'literally' about things when they should be about statements.
Saying that "X is unironically Y" when they should say "I unironically say that X is Y."
a new hope is boring
it's not, it's actually wonderful
ANH has quite a few kino scenes but also a whole bunch of padding, and the characters are flat.
ESB is almost perfect, you have shit taste.
>ESB is almost perfect
True but it's no Star Wars.
neither of them has nearly anything as powerful as the last 20 minutes of rotj in it
>a new hope
crap title. I'm never gonna call it that.
because the real title is Star wars.
it's the same people calling t
rambo "first blood".
maybe they call the matrix "Booted up"
>maybe they call the matrix "Booted up"
? It's called "The Future Will Not Be User Friendly" silly. That's what it's called on my dvd
It's the only good Star Wars film. gays say Empire is better but Empire is boring and has black people in it.
>first time viewing it
I give you joy of watching the rest, OP.
Christ I've watched Star Wars so many times I can hear every sound effect and every note of John Williams' score watching this
Why has not one sci-fi movie, not even the rest of the OT, managed to capture the same magic? The sense of a universe that's bigger than what you're seeing on screen, and the pure sense of adventure and wonder as you follow the heroes on their journey?
wait til you see Revenge of the Sith, Lucas's magnum PI
>Lucas's magnum PI
this is a funny post, i laughed while reading it
I want to frick leia
It's my favorite movie. As a standalone space adventure it's perfect.
mid
Watch it again
Star Wars 1977 chads rise up. Every other Star Wars product is fanfiction
Agreed
Why do people hate the special editions again? As a kid I thought they were the best thing ever.
Because the changes are almost all either baffling or have aged like milk thanks to 1997-era CGI?
I had a VHS growing up that I watched over and over and when I first watched it on DVD I noticed tons of Lucas' little "upgrades". I noticed something was off when they get to where Alderaan should be and the "enhanced" sounds of the Falcon flying through the debris sounded like shit. Han shot first in that version too.
a few moronic changes ruined them for a lot of whiners, but I've watched the original version laserdisc Blu-ray transfers, and the special editions look so much better it's not even a question. yes, having han shoot second, adding the pointless scene with jabba, adding the CGI music video in jabba's palace, etc. were moronic changes, but there are far more good changes than bad ones, like cloud city, it's fricking gorgeous in the special editions, and just all of the landscapes and special effects look way better.
I feel the same way but I'm even fine with Han shooting second and Jedi Rocks
I think Empire was the only one really improved over all by the special editions and agree re cloud city, the improvement to the compositing and removal of the matte lines etc is great. However the jabba scene and jedi rocks were pure vandalism, its like trying to enjoy the ride in your ferrari when you know someones spray painted a dick down the side of it.
It’s a very textbook example of how to make a good movie. Acting isn’t always the best and neither is the dialogue. Always been George’s weak points. The sound in terms of music and effects is perfect though. I don’t think Star Wars would be as regarded without it. I prefer Empire subjectively but I think the original is just objectively a good movie. Much like Back to the Future.
If everything is to be believed, Marcia is the one who made George's almost disaster of a film coherent and the masterpiece it is today, not completely by herself obviously but she played a big part in putting it together and has the Oscar to prove it. I believe it considering how off the rails Lucas has been when he has full control.
I think the truth is somewhere in the middle on that, but it wouldn’t shock me if he had to be reigned in.
No. That's mythology. She's wasn't even the main editor, that was Hirsch and Chew. Lucas was able to borrow her briefly off of Scorsese because she was editing New York, New York for him at the time but she wasn't there the whole time like Hirsch and Chew were. Hence why the main thing she edited was the Death Star sequence and very little else.
Look, I get it, the divorce clearly fricked George up (and honestly that might be the start of George's creative decline) and he ended up writing her out of the story quite a bit. And she was influential and important for Star Wars, but this whole "his wife saved the movie in editing and George Lucas is a creative hack who never had any talent" thing is pure cope, that I think people use to justify why the prequels and special editions are so bafflingly bad. I mean frick, Gary Kurtz - Lucas's producer on Star Wars and Empire - is WAY more important as far as keeping George on a leash but he never gets mentioned
Well even your picture shows Marcia wasn't alone in saving the movie in editing and the others were awarded too. It still shows that Star Wars was saved by the editing. Marcia just gets all the credit because of the narrative I guess.
Imagine seeing your creation bastardized into some kind of feminist nightmare, only for the cherry on top to be that your ex-wife is now being heralded as the reason your creation became successful in the first place.
I wouldn't be surprised if there are tons of interviews where Marcia credits all the other people who helped save the movie that are just chopped up to prop her up more.
iirc there's like one or two interviews with her since the 80s. She practically got blacklisted after the divorce sadly. It's why I kinda get it, she got written out of history quite a bit, but now it's gone in the reverse direction - where she's now getting credit for shit she didn't do
someone went through star wars for how it would have been if it hadn't been saved in the edit by a woman, and they found that it would have been LITERALLY 0/10 and then when it was edited it was LITERALLY 10/10 because it was saved in the edit by a woman and also because it was saved in the edit by a woman it is the best but it would have been the worst if it hadn't been saved in the edit by a woman.
that 'george lucas' which was probably a pen-name for marcia because women weren't allowed to be writers back then never made anything before or after not to mention since star wars then it is telling because he LITERALLY couldn't make anything else because she wasn't around to save it in the edit.
It wasn't. You were just fooled by a manipulative and dishonest YT video
oh yeah? the onus on burden is of you, I don't even know what youtube is so I don't what you're know is talk
No, you're claiming Star Wars was saved in the edit. Prove it. I can prove it went through the normal editing process any move went to.
Have you seen Empire of Dreams? It was a documentary made way before Disney at it shows how much or a disaster ANH could have been
nta but yes? I've literally got it open in another tab:
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TL;DR: the first rough cut was terrible and notably was edited by the original editor (they don't say who it was in EoD but his name's John Jympson for the record) and when Lucas asked him to re-edit it in a different style Jympson refused and so Lucas fired him, replaced him with Paul Hirsch and Richard Chew, as well as, AND I QUOTE, "for several months he was able to borrow his wife Marcia who was editing New York, New York with Martin Scorsese."
I swear people have watched Empire of Dreams but they've misremembered it and have turned its actual facts into pure mythology over the years. Just one example: people act like the original rough assembly was bad because of George Lucas's incompetence NOT the original editor who cut it and who Lucas himself fired. That's all according to Empire of Dreams. Why are people so fricking dense I swear?
>borrowed marcia for MONTHS
it takes literally about a few days to edit something down it is copy paste and yet it took marcia months to fix the mess that george had made of it all.
priof if nothing else that in the edit
>it is copy paste
Not during the 70s. You do know Star Wars was shot and edited on film right anon? There literally wasn't a copy-paste function unless you count scissors and sellotape. Star Wars came out in May 1977, the first personal computer worth giving a shit about, the Apple II didn't come out until the next month. And as far as an actual computer that you could edit video footage on in decent clarity - that wouldn't be a thing until the Amiga, which didn't come out until 1985, and even then you really wouldn't want to use an Amiga to edit film with - tape would really be the limit
jake nichelsen wasn't even on star wars
>and yet it took marcia months to fix the mess that george had made of it all.
Don't you mean the mess John Jympson made of it all? I get why Lucas hired him, Hard Day's Night is a fricking classic and looking further into his career he later did Fish Called Wanda which is one of the greatest comedies ever. But clearly his style didn't mesh with what Lucas wanted for Star Wars, and even with those other 2 films he's working with legends like John Cleese and the Beatles.
SAVED IN TH EDIT BT WONEN
the. burdan of anus of an you to proof it am george where safed edit. lol you can't by not don't even anymore because edit woman
Wow we actually have a genuine schizo in this thread. How long before you're homeless and living on the street, schizo?
>says the woman who thinks george saved it in the edit
why haven't you killed yourself out of loneliness yet
you know your plebbit familiar faces aren't really your friends don't you.
Marcia came up with the idea of making the Trench Run a race against the clock to the Death Star close to blowing up the Rebel Base. Without her, it would have been a simple space battle. You clearly don't know as much as you think you do.
Yes I know that. Learn to read:
>Hence why the main thing she edited was the Death Star sequence and very little else.
Sorry I always forget Marcia Lucas invented the concept of inventing shit in editing and not, I dunno, fricking Eisenstein.
Fun fact: the ending of Blackadder Goes Forth was saved in the editing too so clearly Marcia Lucas worked on it as well:
You're such a goddamn disingenuous piece of shit. What she did went beyond traditional editing you fricking moron. George added in voice overs to change the scene to meet her idea. Editing is just working with the footage you were given. She basically rewrote the goddamned scene. And that was not her only contribution, but you're just going to minimize everything anyway because you're a sperg homosexual.
you sound like you're crying. turn the computer off and calm down you fricking spastic c**t.
marcia did frick all beyond her job. editing is the most boring forgettable shit possible, and she did five minutes of tweaks after everyone else spent years slaving over it, including three other editors.
smash your head in the fridge door while telling yourself never to visit plebbit ever again in your life.
your opinions are NOT your own, you fricking parroting cretin
Yep, you're definitely a sperg homosexual. Watch you sperg out.
>You're such a goddamn disingenuous piece of shit. What she did went beyond traditional editing you fricking moron. George added in voice overs to change the scene to meet her idea. Editing is just working with the footage you were given. She basically rewrote the goddamned scene. And that was not her only contribution, but you're just going to minimize everything anyway because you're a sperg homosexual
just watched you sperg out like a hysterical c**t
have a nice day you zesty crusty moist broken buck
Go lick Kathleen Kennedy's nutsack
her nutsack was saved in the edit!!!!!
youtube told me to think that
Imagine living your life as a contrarian troll. Youtubers live in your head rent free. I'm just sharing things we knew about before youtube was even created. Cry harder child.
>sharing things we knew about before
liar.
you're a liar, you know you're lying, you're a liar. you know you're a liar. dishonest, outright liar.
you lie because you're a liar.
you're a liar.
you watched a youtube video that was linked from plebbit, you sat through it, skipped most of it then just read the plevvit synopsis, received a buzz because it was sensationalist and made you feel like a special little boy, and then felt compelled to spread the sensationalist nonsense so people would think you were special and you'd have some of that same special little boy buzz again.
then you were called out for being a mindless parroting moron and a liar and are somehow trying to cope by saying you and all your imaginary friends all knew about it in 1977 even before the film was released and that the credits originally said marcia the woman who saved the film in the edit, which just happens to be the title of the sensationalist youtube video full of lies.
now go for a drink of water and have a sit down in another room, you red faced lying sack of shit
Sperg.
liar
you lie every day. you can't even stop.
shoo shoo zoomer
>shoo shoo
directly lifted from plebbit.
its literally from here you moronic newhomosexual
it's originally from. tumblr and when that died it passed on to plebbit which is where you found it.
>words
you still havent killed yourself along with the other moron that keeps bumping this garbage post
I'm saving this thread from the edit which is more than you've ever done you cancerous little fricking aids vector.
absolutely seething
I'm. absolutely winning
if arguing on Cinemaphile ever met my definition for 'winning' i think i would actually kill myself because it would be unironically over.
because you literally never win.
winning on here is the only thing that counts in the literal universe, you know it's true so don't bother denying it.
once you've reached zenith here, there's nothing else that can top it.
that might be the only reason for killing oneself, knowing that things can never be as good again.
but that's short term thinking, a beginner's mistake, long term thinking is knowing that you can win against anyone who has ever been borned, by literally winning against every all of them all of every time again.
that's my pleasure. feel the force
ok
see, I win again
both of you kys
No that's still called editing, she did all of that while working with the footage she was given plus a bit of V/O. That's literally the definition of editing. Credit where credit's due, it's probably the best scene in the movie (although I'm kinda fond of the opening 10 minutes myself) but acting like the art of editing was invented by Marcia Lucas is absurd. And she's clearly a great editor - fricking Scorsese was using her. She edited Taxi Driver for fricksakes (oh although now I've said that you're gonna start claiming that Taxi Driver was a disaster that was saved in the edit and that Scorsese and Schrader are talentless hacks now aren't you?)
Oh and to be clear - the other anon you're fighting with isn't me
the other anon was saved in the edit by a woman!!
Can this thread be edited by a woman? We need to cut the other anon out... and then maybe we'll edit him back in 20 years later but we'll replace him with a giant CGI slug! How does that sound?
>him
we know you're talking about yourself 😉
lmao
as for a woman saving this thread in the edit, I think that's already happened 😉
This is factually untrue. Stop parroting YT liars
I dont watch youtube you dumb homosexual.
God you're dumb. The Falcon was being tracked and Leia knew that, so she intentionally led the Death Star to Yavin for the express purpose of assembling a fleet to destroy it. It's not something that Marcia came up with and it wasn't done completely in voiceover. It was always there exactly as George wrote it.
To be fair to him, she did restructure a lot of the actual battle scene. Originally the Death Star wasn't going to be bearing down on the planet to destroy it, that was invented in editing and if you watch closely pretty much all the dialogue indicating that fact is done via voice overs, not anything the actors actually said on set. Case in point: when they're beginning to power up the death star laser they're all reused shots from the destruction of Alderan for obvious reasons. You don't notice it's literally the same shots because of the way it's edited together. It's clever stuff
The problem is that other anon thinks this act of editing is akin to rewriting a script... which it isn't it's literally editing. Or that this kind of restructuring in the edit bay is unheard of, when it really, really isn't. I listened to a podcast with one of the editors of that Bohemian Rhapsody movie and that thing was completely torn apart and restructured multiple times in the edit bay (and it's not a very good movie but considering some of the behind the scenes stuff the fact that it's coherent at all is a minor miracle.) Or even something like the original Men In Black - I had the dvd of it and they literally cut the entire plot from that movie (specifically the bad guy's plan and how it actually was supposed to work) because it didn't matter for the story (which was the relationship between agents J and K) so they had to dramatically restructure scenes using what footage they had. It's literally called editing
>Originally the Death Star wasn't going to be bearing down on the planet to destroy it, that was invented in editing and if you watch closely pretty much all the dialogue indicating that fact is done via voice overs, not anything the actors actually said on set.
You're just as dumb as he is.
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>We've analyzed their attack, sir, and there is a danger. Should I have your ship standing by?
>Evacuate? In our moment of triumph? I think you overestimate their chances.
Cushing was on set, clearly talking about the Death Star attack, and about the fact that, as he said earlier in the film, they're about to "crush the Rebellion in one swift stroke." Again, Marcia did not invent the race against time and if you actually took the time to watch the damn movie you'd realize that.
>Evacuate? In our moment of triumph? I think you overestimate their chances.
Huh good point. I didn't notice that line. Hey, I'm mostly agreeing with you here - the whole Marcia Lucas thing is mostly mythology. Like genuinely give her some credit but Hirsch, Chew and George himself deserve just as much credit (if not more in the case of Hirsch and Chew) for "saving" Star Wars in the edit than Marcia does.
at least we can all agree that george had little if anything to do with the making of star wars and was more just a financial backer/silent partner.
Oh, you. Have you read the Raiders transcripts yet? If not, would reccomend. It's a transcript of a 1978 story conference between Lucas, Spielberg and Kasdan about their upcoming project, Raiders of the Lost Ark. And it's Lucas who literally comes up with EVERYTHING at the meeting (other than the giant boulder which to be completely fair was Spielberg's idea.)
https://maddogmovies.com/almost/scripts/raidersstoryconference1978.pdf
It's usually my go-to whenever anyone acts like Lucas never had any ideas or that other people saved his crappy work in the editing bay. Don't get me wrong: you can totally say his dialogue writing sucks and that he's not very good with actors, frick I'm pretty sure he'd tell you that himself. It's just to dispel the modern bullshit mythology around him.
thanks man, but I'm only reading it if a woman has edited it first.
all I know about that film script is that george wanted indy's girlfriend to have been 12 when they'd known each other.
>all I know about that film script is that george wanted indy's girlfriend to have been 12 when they'd known each other.
Oh no, that's actually from here! It's George's idea lmao! Anyway that's usually the only thing that gets bought up when this comes up on reddit (bleh) or whereever because no one reads the actual thing. Cause if they did they'd also be like, "Holy shit, peak George Lucas actually was the real deal." Like he comes up not only with the entire plot of Raiders, he also comes up with about half of the shit in Temple of Doom at the same time. It's fricking cool.
he had a ton of imagination. I wonder what else he came up with that was never made.
heard he made short films but not seen any of them, and I guess they are more grounded.
maybe it's a pity star wars was so big as it seemed to occupy him from there on out.
>maybe it's a pity star wars was so big as it seemed to occupy him from there on out.
Francis Ford Coppola said something along those lines after George finally sold it. People seem to forget that Coppola (arguably THE greatest filmmaker of the 70s) took a young Lucas under his wing early on and that he was basically Lucas's mentor. And that was all pre-Godfather so Coppola really hadn't made it yet either.
when it became massive he must have been dealing with being a consultant on all the background stuff, even the games at lucas arts, does that fit, does that go with the rest of it.
he went from being independent and having total creative freedom to being a slave to his own ever expanding creation.
plus he could never hope to top it, everything would have been compared to it afterwards.
read through a bit of the indians jones thing it's pretty interesting to see how developed some of the concepts are in the first place. also shows how george's mind works a bit and his priorities compared to speilberg.
he's quite diplomatic when rejecting something that doesn't go well with it.
Yeah I agree with the whole slave-to-his-own-success take. It's one of the weird ironies of Lucas, he spent his entire early career fighting for independence and to have control over his own work. His pre-Star Wars movies (THX and American Graffiti) all got edited after the fact without him present and that really must've stung him. But then he hit it out of the park not just with Star Wars but with Empire, which he funded almost entirely out of his own pocket. With those 2 he essentially beat Hollywood and became master-of-his-own-domain but (and this is more my own personal opinion) in the process he kinda lost a lot of the people who could challenge his ideas, like a Gary Kurtz or even a Marcia Lucas.
From what I've read George is really good at the high level concept stuff, setpieces, themes, the whole mythological subtext angle and all that but he's infamous for missing shit right under his own nose. Like with the first Star Wars he wanted a new voice actor for C3PO even though Anthony Daniels's own voice was perfect for the role (I forget who convinced Lucas that he should Daniels.) And you can see that during the prequel documentaries - when casting young Anakin it comes down to Jake Lloyd and some other kid and the other kid is FRICKING PERFECT for the role but George ends up going with Lloyd instead and no one challenges him on it. Again, I think the whole "Lucas is a hack" thing is mostly mythology and I'm not saying he needs someone to tell him "No" every 5 seconds but if he still had a Gary Kurtz around him he might've been challenged and changed his mind about that casting decision. The prequels are just full of weird choices that could've gone another way if Lucas had someone he considered his peer challenge him on it. On the other hand it makes the bonus features on the prequel dvds fricking fascinating viewing so there's that
Frick we're lucky George was calling shots on these, they do this scene in temple of doom and it's silly. george on the money when he says the whip has to actually feel dangerous
Indian Jones was literally saved in the edit by George, but let's face facts here, it was probably his wife telling him all this stuff at home and he just said it in the meetings.
Genuinely iirc Marcia's one big contribution to Raiders was during the first screening she went, "Where the frick did Marion go?" at the end, because the original cut had just kinda left her on the island. That's why they did a quick shoot to add in that last scene with Marion in Washington where she tells Indy she'll buy him a drink at the end. Again, did legit contribute to the movies - no one's challenging that. It's just the internet myth that she's actually the one who's solely responsible for Lucas's success
i don't want to hear anymore.
she saved everyone in the edit and men are stupid
>she saved everyone in the edit
iirc she was the one who suggested to George that Obi-Wan should be killed on the death star. So she literally didn't save everyone in the edit, she got an innocent Jedi killed
george was originally going to make a sequel to american graffiti, marcia said it should be in space and instead of cars in the 50s it should be space cars, bur still driven around by college kids.
this is evident from harrison ford being the first person cast - since he was just reprising his character from the first film.
the authoritarian figures are played by the empire instead of principals and best cops harassing them.
darth vader is the leader of a greaser gang that shakes them down.
>not anything the actors actually said on set.
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Again, lies being parroted around the internet
Hey! I yielded the point already.
if you look carefully, the last third of the film is just voice overs and cleverly edited together scenes from earlier in the film. all done by marcia kennedy
I'm sick of this meme. Marcia Lucas didn't write the script, run the camera, direct the actors, or really make any of the creative decisions (other than to kill off Obi-Wan). George made Star Wars, end of story.
star wars was saved in the edit by a woman
this is my own opinion and I didn't just repeat what was said in a youtube video linked on plebbit
Never seen anything that would lead me to think Marcia Lucas was some mastermind that saved the whole film, and I've read the extremely in-depth Rinzler book cover to cover; the book that also illustrates George was himself an uncredited editor on ANH
obviously she contributed but I find it hard to believe she was the one lifting WW1 dogfighting movie quotes to put in the trench run when it was George who really loves that stuff
see
george barely worked on the film and wasn't involved in any of the day to day stuff. most of the crew were ad-libbing their lines with marcia guiding them. she was a big ww1 buff having saved private ryan in the edit
Yeah I do see that post from a random anon on the internet but I don't find it particularly compelling, especially in light of the exhaustively researched and cited Rinzler book
in that case, see
Ah yes, Battleship Potemkin, my favorite Marcia Lucas movie:
5 > 6 > 4 > 3 > 1 > 2 > R1 > 7 > Solo > 9 > 8
=)
4>5>6>3>1>2 and everything else vidya, books, comics or otherwise is just stuff you can cherry pick what you like or don't like because it didn't matter. Disney fricked that up when they created Legends. Before Disney there were like 3 or more different stories about who stole the Death Star plans and no one cared.
2 > 4 > 1 > 6 > 3 > 5 > Solo > Rogue One > 7 > 8 > 9
5 = 6 > 3 > 4 > Rogue 1 > 1 > 2 > Solo> 7 > 8 > 9
correct!
It’s not better or more entertaining than 2001.
>It’s not better than 2001
Well yeah, 2001's arguably the greatest movie ever made
>It’s not more entertaining than 2001.
Now that's bullshit. 2001's amazing but paced like a glacier. Meanwhile Star Wars is just a fun time from beginning to end
>2001 is arguably the greatest film ever made
Bait, nobody cares about this fricking piece of shit except hipsters who pretend to like it because of the stature israeliteS gave it
>nobody cares about this fricking piece of shit
But I liked it? So you're wrong. I like the bit with the monkeys at the beginning, that was cool
>2001's arguably the greatest movie ever made
It's a boring piece of crap
How would you have fixed the shitty nu-wars films Cinemaphile?
Actually plan out a trilogy of 3 movies from the start? That would help. Also I wouldn't hire JJ Abrams, his mystery box bullshit is one of the reasons the story stunk.
it's probably for the best they turned out the way they did
No it's not at all. Because of how bad those movies are everything else is trying to make them work when it's not just the plot of the ST movies that suck it's every single thing about them that's bad. Even people disappointed in Phantom Menace said the podrace and lightsaber fights were awesome. The ST has nothing, it's ALL bad and those movies completely ruined Star Wars for millennials who were the only people who even still gave a shit about Star Wars.
>scrap everything they made
>don't adapt the EU straight up but use it as a main source of inspiration
>also use prequel elements
>don't undo the rebels' victory in OT
I guess it could go on like this:
>the new republic is cleaning up the imperial remnant
>former separatist systems still don't wanna join the republic
>Luke is traveling the galaxy in search for Jedi to train
>the story is centered around the new generation of Jedi
>Han is killed in the first movie so that Harrison Ford is willing to be part of it
>Thrawn is rallying the remnant in the unexplored region of the galaxy
>he is also trying to find Darth Plagueis who managed to stay in stasis, Palpatine only thought he was dead or something like that
I guess I should actually read the Thrawn stuff to get what it is about, Disney should have done the same for the sake of knowing what worked and what didn't in them.
simple, I wouldn't have done anything, I would have listened to a woman save them in the edit, which is what no one else did
TFA
>Luke has a Jedi Academy like the video games
>Kylo Ren is trained in the Jedi Academy as a young trainee but falls to the dark side and kills everyone, burning the academy down
>Flash forward to the desert to Rey, where the rest of the film plays out like normal
>Rey gets the lightsaber but is swiftly defeated by Kylo Ren
>End with Rey meeting Luke like she did.
TLJ
>Rey convinces Luke to train her, and he does for the first quarter of the film
>They Join the rebel alliance and try to destroy the first order however Rey ends up captured
>Snoke kidnaps and tortures Rey like Malak did to Bastilla in KOTOR
>Luke fights off Kylo Ren and rescues Rey from the first order, however Rey is too far gone and ends up killing Luke Skywalker ending the movie with the hero dead and both characters on the Dark Side
Third film
>Kylo is tasked to kill Leia and can't do it, he eventually turns to the light side
>Rest of the movie builds up to a duel between Kylo and Rey
>Kylo becomes the hero but fails to defeat Rey and dies as well
>Rey kills Snoke too and becomes the empress of the Sith destroying the last hope of the republic
Death of Luke happening before the final movie in the trilogy is profoundly insulting, simply having Rey fall would be better.
I would've just made the Lucas Scripts. Wish those things would leak out he would just spoil the beans and dare Disney to sue him.
I also ideally would've made the films in the late 80's-early 90's when the cast was the right age, but:
> New Republic is fractured. Basically one a bunch of competing groups trying to iron things out like in the prequels to some degree. Maybe travel throughout the galaxy is somewhat restricted due to borders being established resulting in a lot of sneaky travel being required (giving our favorite smuggler some plot relevance.) Also wouldn't mind trying to work in the techno union empire revival
> Luke has a small group of disciples. Like, less than a dozen. One of them being his daughter.
> Storm Troopers are more like cops
> An enemy that isn't a Sith
i want to see the movies about exploring the micro organic universe, hate that internet film rags tried to portray that as some "honey I shrunk the kids!" shit
I'd have made it so the rebels were corrupt and crime was rife all over, with the empire regrouping despite the loss of their figurehead, and them restoring order to the galaxy, being welcomed by everyone. then you see a retrospective on the true face of the bands of smugglers and pirates and corrupt politicians that had made up the rebels, and find out that they had all been funded by the remnants of the jedi, who were terrorist warlords in their day, with darth vader as the only honest joe among them.
yoda had been a dictator for half a millennium.
then the ghost busters come along and suck up all the force ghosts to make sure the jedi can't meddle any longer.
perfect tie-in for ghostbusters 3
You've taken your first step into a much larger world.
It's a perfect adventure movie for me. I only wish Leia was prettier. I'm into israeli chicks but cmon Carrie Fisher?
I promise I won't talk about movie theories.
>2 drinks later
The original Star War movie is WWII in an alternate timeline
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Biggs is an example of the EU context making his death mean more. Disney just makes everyone gay or trans in some comic and calls it a day.
Ngl Kathy looks fantastic for her age
>A Space Odyssey
Film's building of suspense was so good I sat on my adhd 6 year old butt and watched the whole thing.
One of the first old films I ever liked.
It's the ultimate movie. No matter how many times I see it, I never get bored of it. It simply works. Every frame is skillfully produced and fun. Unlike modern movies that you see once or twice and never again
Yeah it's a bloody good movie isn't it? It's weird to say because it's so famous and ubiquitous in pop culture but goddamn it's just a fun movie and a little joy to watch
Because its fun.
Its fun to watch 'Star Wars'.
It's such a shame Mark fricked up his face on literally the last day of filming Star Wars. He was a really handsome lil twink
He got into a motorcycle accident between A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back, that's why they added the snow bigfoot scene where it attacks his face to explain the scars.
Oh I know. It wasn't even between New Hope and Empire, it happened the night before the last day of shooting the original Star Wars. They had to get a stand-in to do all of Mark's scenes and shoot it almost all from the back.
I agree
Genuinely the first 10 minutes of Star Wars might be the best first 10 minutes of any movie ever
Miss me yet, gays?
Read the thread. Most of it's about how based Lucas was
>C3PO has ribbed rubber joints
This is one of those artifacts of the "Before Star Wars" and "After Star Wars" Paradigm shift.
The Hildebrands were establish proper illustrators. George would have supplied them with proper detailed photos of the characters, models and robots but, alongside putting Luke in his borrowed Stormtrooper boots and belt (clearly not knowing the full context of that costume choice), which-ever brother painted this clearly looked at the stills of 3PO with his signature "guts-on-the-outside" design and joints and thought "Oh, this must be a behind-the-scenes photo, and they haven't put his standard 1950s rubber robot-man joints in" and then just painted them in. Thinking he was helping George out in making this assumption. And it didn't even occur to him to check with George about it because "Well of course he has ribbed rubber joints. ALL sci-fi movie robots have ribbed rubbed joints. That's just how they *are*."
Star Wars annihilated almost all of these old "understandings" and expectations, almost overnight.
Famously "Logan's Run" was made at almost exactly the same time, and exists solely in the "Before Star Wars" design paradigm simply because they hadn't seen it. Only the crew on "Jabberwocky" got a glimpse and they thought it was going to be a huge flop and their movie was going to be the big hit. Gilliam mentions it in the DVD commentary, and of course how their movie and everything else got completely destroyed by it (most notably Freidkin's "Sorcerer" which opened the same day, and only started getting a god reputation decades later when people began wanting movies that felt "more real" than modern digital no-stakes shitfests).
Yeah, although I think that's in part due to C3PO and R2D2 being added in later to the poster and (iirc) not by Tom Jung who did the rest. Sorry I think the image I had was on an old hard drive but there's a really rare and early version of this poster without C3PO and R2D2 in it. I'll try to find it.
>most notably Freidkin's "Sorcerer" which opened the same day, and only started getting a god reputation decades later
Sorcerer's so fricking good although I totally get why everyone instead went to go see Star Wars again rather than watching Sorcerer. But that bridge scene is unfrickingbelievable still to this day
Sorry I used to have a way better quality version of the actual poster without C3PO but here's his original concept sketch (not the final poster to be clear) and there's no C3PO or R2D2 in sight
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=hildebrandt+star+wars+poster
Interesting. It's redo of the Hildebrandt version. Which also had the no-droids variant.
Perhaps one was more newsprint-ready than the other. I'll include the og for comparison. Yeah, looks a lot "cleaner". Probably reduces in size a lot better and maintains legibility. Also more "deserty" in it's colors.
There's a touch of the "rubber joint" effect on the original, but it's mainly the edges of the joints, with the proper "guts" on display.
Wonder why this Tony Jung version has such a "Pre-Star Wars" bit of imagery in there. It suggests whomever did it hadn't seen the movie and was just going from the other poster.
iirc it's because Tom Jung literally hadn't seen the movie and was working off of production and promo photos. To be clear there is a higher quality version of the no droids version I posted that was released and I'll try to find. If I remember correctly it was on Heritage auctions (who are scumbags btw who artificially inflate collector market bubbles but that's got nothing to do with Star Wars - just putting it out there) and it was an original master print to make posters out of. It was a really beautiful piece. Also I'm not 100% sure that Hidlebrandt did his version first, but if you can definitely prove me wrong I'll concede easily. I think the Jung is the original one but maybe check first.
Doing a tiny bit of research it seems the Tom Jung is the original and the Hildebrandt version is the copy. The mystery is who the frick painted the C3PO and R2D2 because they look very off-model and I have no idea who added them in. It's nice to find a high quality version tho - I forgot Google's shit now and DuckDuckGo's actually still able to find things you might wanna find
Also I never noticed it before now but Vader's left eye is fricked up
what a fricking beautiful poster genuinely.
That movie was indeed great. It kinda sucks we never got a good continuation of the story.
I simply don’t care enough to sort this shit out in my head anymore. I remember liking the original Star Wars movies when I was a kid in the 80’s/90’s, but there is so much extraneous material related to those movies now that I don’t even care about the original movies anymore. They’re not interesting to me at all because the story has been completely fricked. They can keep making Star wars crap forever but I give up
No shit moron, everyone knows that.
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