I could swear I saw it, vut maybe it's wishful thinking
it's because the world isn't white anymore. it used to be that people knew fundamental parts of their own culture, but now we have billions of people participating in the global market that have no clue about this culture. in this film for example it doesn't show it because it's known that viking berserker's ingest hallucinogenic mushrooms to enhance their battlefield capabilities or at least scare the other guys. you'll notice in the film that all these hallucinations only start happening after the ritual where they would have done these drugs. all these visions are amleth tripping out as he carries out his revenge
Complete myth, whoever came up with that bullshit has never seen anyone on a deliriant (and the supposed mushrooms were much more of a Lapp thing) or in a berserker like state
I could swear I saw it, vut maybe it's wishful thinking
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Complete myth, whoever came up with that bullshit has never seen anyone on a deliriant (and the supposed mushrooms were much more of a Lapp thing) or in a berserker like state
it's there. I checked
>he thinks actresses actually goes nude for scenes like this
That's what the merkin is for, to make sure you can't catch sight of any lips at any point. Today the merkins include prosthetic covers made to look vaguely pussy-shaped, not just lots of hair. They also wear various tit-covers unless the breasts are on display for the camera, so the other actors don't see them either.
My man. Do you think that Eggers was making a "pro-white" movie by depicting the norse as these mommy-issue freudian caricatures? Or by depicting them as decadent nobles who watch their slaves fight to the death like a bunch of aztecs with no knowledge of what a wergild or penal code is?
Do you think the writer, Sjón, who wrote a book about how neonazis are just mental midgets borne of the time and place, is on your side?
No. Norse myth is all about Odin comitting self harm and suicide for a smidge of knowledge while women (norns, Idunn) control everything behind the scenes. And also Utgard Loki getting away with everything by being the ultimate troll
I'm still assblasted it did so poorly in theatres, should've made ~150mil easy. Can't wait for Nosferatu, Cinemaphile contrarians can go screw themselves
I really hope so, it deserved much and more. Hopefully Eggers never gets stiffed on anything by the producers just because this underperformed in theaters
The entire movie should have been in Old Norse. They could have pulled it off if they didn't cast Hawke, Kidman and Anya since everyone else was Scandi
>Hawke, Kidman and Anya
Yeah i dunno what that was about, but what can ya do. I guess I understand anya since it's just the usual film business shit of she's big right now let's put her in the thing but still
The norse did not actually sing like this. Heilung is more psycedelic shamanism with norse themes, but they also make references to sumerian myths like Marduk. Overall, it's still more of a modern attempt at spirituality via inward meditation with (or without) shrooms.
it's because the world isn't white anymore. it used to be that people knew fundamental parts of their own culture, but now we have billions of people participating in the global market that have no clue about this culture. in this film for example it doesn't show it because it's known that viking berserker's ingest hallucinogenic mushrooms to enhance their battlefield capabilities or at least scare the other guys. you'll notice in the film that all these hallucinations only start happening after the ritual where they would have done these drugs. all these visions are amleth tripping out as he carries out his revenge
That's what I've noticed too, a complete rupture with the past allowing Hollywood to produce pure slop, particularly in the costume departments. Monthy Python and the Holy Grail has more realistic costumes than The King (2019)
>it's known that viking berserker's ingest hallucinogenic mushrooms
No it isn't. It's a myth. The mushrooms you get in scandinavia would at best kill you. And there is no reference of it in the sagas, who simply sqy that the berserkers just hype themselves up into a rage as if they were possessed. There's also parts where the sagas depict berserkers as fools, like when one berserker tries to scare Gunnar Hámundarsson by biting his shield and Gunnar just kicks the bottom of his shield causing his teeth to fly out.
Also, the sagas do not depict ghost fights (which are more like rap battles if anything) as being an hallucination like the movie does, which simply depicts Amleth as being sick in the head due to his culture and losing his father. In the sagas, Grettir actually wrestles the ghost of Glám whose eyes actually haunt him for the rest of his life.
>>it's known that viking berserker's ingest hallucinogenic mushrooms >No it isn't. It's a myth. The mushrooms you get in scandinavia would at best kill you
Amanita Muscaria grows in Scandinavia, Amanita Panthera does too. Neither will kill you, people take them all the time.
You cannot perform in combat while high like that. They pumped themselves up because they were dogmatic, not high. Go back to Survive The Jive. Marinuana is sooooo Indo-European dude
>You cannot perform in combat while high like that.
You could definitely perform in combat while under the influence of mushrooms. Probably not high doses though.
>You cannot perform in combat while high like that.
That's true, that's why your warrior cult gets high and disassociates as a bonding and motivational exercise, not as some sort of combat drug (PCP was not yet invented)
you can if your culture has built up an understanding and response to the drugs in that way. just because we associate shrooms with slacker dude lmao im trippin balls bro, doesnt mean other cultures did. psychedelics affect you in a way based on what you bring to them
3 months ago
Anonymous
>if your culture has built up an understanding and response to the drugs in that way
But the Norse hadn't done that. There's no sources from them talking about how they associate mushroom highs with battle, that shit is just later fiction or stories from other people than the Norse (especially the stuff having them drinking reindeer piss, like Laplanders). Berserkers weren't some common thing, they were crazy outliers and that's why they were talked about.
>t's known that viking berserker's ingest hallucinogenic mushrooms
no you fricking moron, it was a fungi that grew in food and it's not hallucinogenic, it just made you wasted, like alcohol
i loved the film and the dark psychedelic journey it is, but eggers doesn't know how to shoot action scenes. if the action scenes were more impactful i think it would have gone a long way in making the film more successful without compromising any artistic integrity. i don't think that one long continuous shot in the viking raid was a good choice for example. filmgays might jerk themselves over something like that, but i think it was misused here
i don't know, i love long shots and all, but i felt like the brutality and power wasn't conveyed well enough. maybe it was an acting problem, who knows. maybe as you're doing that long shot in the background, do a cut to amleth's quickly as he's dispatching someone then continue following in the background as he's hulking to the next fight
sure, all i'm saying is that the scene didn't sell me on its fights. eggers wanted to be artsy with the long take and i feel it was the wrong move
here's what i think is a good action scene. no shaky cam homosexualry, using the camera and movement of actors together to convey force and tasteful use of fast cuts
Cool potential for a movie ruined by a small minded plot. A heroic berserker fights against...a struggling village, barely guarded in the middle of nowhere, woah grab your popcorn, this ones an epic.
That's the thing. How the frick is he still pretending to be a lord in iceland? Remember, there weren't even any landed titles in scandinavia. In Iceland, the goðorðs were legal offices that could be bought and sold. Why are the soldiers just standing there like npc guards? They should be tilling the fields like the rest.
This. I mistook the raid for the final battle in the trailer, but apperantly Eggers just wanted to include a simple raid scene. I get that a lot of the sagas take place in Iceland, but icelander sagas are pretty unique and this did not feel like one at all. Besides, wasn't he just adapting Amleth's saga? That one doesn't even take place in Iceland. It just felt like Eggers was ticking a checklist.
This. I mistook the raid for the final battle in the trailer, but apperantly Eggers just wanted to include a simple raid scene. I get that a lot of the sagas take place in Iceland, but icelander sagas are pretty unique and this did not feel like one at all. Besides, wasn't he just adapting Amleth's saga? That one doesn't even take place in Iceland. It just felt like Eggers was ticking a checklist.
That's kinds what I thought the movie was going to be about from the trailer clips, I thought Amleth was going to return with a crack team of madlads and a witch and take on his uncle's whole chiefdom with shocking violence and a bit of subterfuge.
It's an art house gays remake of Conan the barbarian. no really: it is literally that, eggers openly admits it. Problem is it's markedly inferior to that film.
Conan had actual character development, and didn't try to include some weird freudian complex or social commentary on slavery. It didn't even depict Norse culture accurately. It's like he just nit-picked the weirdest accounts made by foreigners like ibn Fadhlan that he could find and had to incorporate them, making the Norse look like batshit insane people.
Maybe Eggers was just trying to sell it to people (it's just like Conan, it'll make a lot of money!) but if he meant it seriously then he's wrong. Not even the setting is the same, Conan the Barbarian is set in pre-history while The Northman is set in the high Viking era of the 10th century.
I don't think the setting matters when you are making comparisons. Both are revegence dramas, both have fantastical elements, both feature a single antagonist. The northman, however, is freudian, while Canon is Nietzschean
>Both are revegence dramas
One is about getting revenge against a close family member that the protagonist knows personally, the other is about getting revenge against some random dude. >both have fantastical elements
The fantastic elements in The Northman are implied to be simply how Amleth and the other characters are interpreting events through their mythology, the mushrooms we regard as psychodelic they think of as demon sorcery for instance. In Conan all the fantastic elements are 100% real. >both feature a single antagonist
Really? Well in that case then The Northman is really just a remake of Die Hard.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>The fantastic elements in The Northman are implied to be simply how Amleth and the other characters are interpreting events through their mythology,
No. Their implying that Amleth is actually delusional. Like how he chooses to interpret his mother's laughs as cries for help. All of these are valid comparisons especially going by Eggers' words, which you choose to believe were simply lies
Not supposed to be comfy. It's a tragedy and the background (Nordic mythology/viking movements and interactions throughout Europe) is full of action and toughness.
it was kino when he was larping as a angry farm ghost stringing people up like it was a Hannibal episode
the rest was boring
it should have just been farm ghost for 2 hours
Norse were known more for being merchants until the raids. Even then, everything was more or less about trade and war. You should see some of their bronzrle age artifacts. Amazing metallurgy
Yes. From what I have heard, it stops being good soon after Farmland. They should have stuck closer to the actual historical record instead of trying to slip away from the facts.
That still shouldn't have you straining to understand them? It's not like they sounded like some Appalachian hillbilly whose family was so isolated that they invented new words a century ago, or God forbid... Sc*ttish.
the witch and the lighthouse arent comfy either. i value the work put into the filmmaking and performances i just dont ever want to see those movies again.
source on your "guarantee"? >bodies that can only be achieved with today's equipment and food
lmao at this dyel implying exercise, meat and carbs didn't exist before current year
Imagine doing something so fricking cool like this that your feat gets talked about long enough to be written down in Sagas and then adapted into a movie that makes people on the internet complain about how unrealistic it is.
>Muh mushrooms
The simplest explanation is not mushrooms. I know they found traces in that one grave, but that hardly establishes any sort of common precedent. Different berserkers likely had different ways if getting into that headspace.
Between what and what? Do you even know what a competition is you stupid cow
A competition between chuds and incels
>This isn’t comfy at all
nudity truly does improve all forms of kino
Where's the ass?
Hello Black person
Frick bones if you want. Doesn't mean it feels good. You need a cushioned ass so that you don't feel her bones when you slam her from behind.
That's what a decent ass looks like you disgusting freak
There's no ass there, you boy lover. Unless you're a small man with small hands, there's nothing to hold on to.
haha you're gay
>the cameraman had to plan the shot perfectly so that you can't see any pussy but its still a well framed shot
>Sorry sir, I saw a bit of pussy, we'll have to try again
I could swear I saw it, vut maybe it's wishful thinking
Complete myth, whoever came up with that bullshit has never seen anyone on a deliriant (and the supposed mushrooms were much more of a Lapp thing) or in a berserker like state
it's there. I checked
>he thinks actresses actually goes nude for scenes like this
That's what the merkin is for, to make sure you can't catch sight of any lips at any point. Today the merkins include prosthetic covers made to look vaguely pussy-shaped, not just lots of hair. They also wear various tit-covers unless the breasts are on display for the camera, so the other actors don't see them either.
body double?
Perfect ass, one of the best scenes in the movie
It's meandering and dull and repetitive. I almost walked out of my showing. Haven't ever seen it since, never plan on it
Its amazing that after all this time, the israelites still allocate some of their anti white budget to shitting on this movie.
My man. Do you think that Eggers was making a "pro-white" movie by depicting the norse as these mommy-issue freudian caricatures? Or by depicting them as decadent nobles who watch their slaves fight to the death like a bunch of aztecs with no knowledge of what a wergild or penal code is?
Do you think the writer, Sjón, who wrote a book about how neonazis are just mental midgets borne of the time and place, is on your side?
>it's like watching some weird competition
I'm pretty sure that's what Eggers was going for
Viking mythology is all about aggressive, chest-beating competition.
No. Norse myth is all about Odin comitting self harm and suicide for a smidge of knowledge while women (norns, Idunn) control everything behind the scenes. And also Utgard Loki getting away with everything by being the ultimate troll
Nordic mythology is literally dreams that poets had back then with Odin as the scapegoat for violence.
it's sometimes pretty kino though
This movie gave me the biggest headache in cinemas. Some small changes would have made it kino.
>This movie gave me the biggest headache in cinemas
This. Seriously, where were all the badass shield maidens with undercuts?
Keep your Skyrim modlist to yourself
There actually is a shieldmaiden in this movie. More than that, she comes across as an actual chieftess.did you not pay attention in the raid scene?
Hard disagree, fricking loved it in the theatre and I'm not even a vikingboo/larping "pagan"/American white nationalist
Movie really pulled off blending myth and reality. The Valkyrie and Draugr scenes are perfect.
Byerk was good too, bit short though
She had a moronic idea for a third eye, but Eggers goes and makes it blend in flawlessly.
I'm still assblasted it did so poorly in theatres, should've made ~150mil easy. Can't wait for Nosferatu, Cinemaphile contrarians can go screw themselves
thankfully strong vod sales made it profitable
I really hope so, it deserved much and more. Hopefully Eggers never gets stiffed on anything by the producers just because this underperformed in theaters
My favourite bit was the beserker ritual around the fire. The guy chanting sounds like the singer from raubtier
The entire movie should have been in Old Norse. They could have pulled it off if they didn't cast Hawke, Kidman and Anya since everyone else was Scandi
>Hawke, Kidman and Anya
Yeah i dunno what that was about, but what can ya do. I guess I understand anya since it's just the usual film business shit of she's big right now let's put her in the thing but still
They could have had her speak shitty Slavic or something
Eggers originally was going to do just that but at that budget, the producers said thats a hard no
Let me introduce you to something then anon
The norse did not actually sing like this. Heilung is more psycedelic shamanism with norse themes, but they also make references to sumerian myths like Marduk. Overall, it's still more of a modern attempt at spirituality via inward meditation with (or without) shrooms.
I didn't claim they did. I was replying to an anon that said he liked a certain scene due to the vocals.
I loved the esoteric parts and the myth mixed with realism idea, but I think that’s what filtered many normies.
it's because the world isn't white anymore. it used to be that people knew fundamental parts of their own culture, but now we have billions of people participating in the global market that have no clue about this culture. in this film for example it doesn't show it because it's known that viking berserker's ingest hallucinogenic mushrooms to enhance their battlefield capabilities or at least scare the other guys. you'll notice in the film that all these hallucinations only start happening after the ritual where they would have done these drugs. all these visions are amleth tripping out as he carries out his revenge
That's what I've noticed too, a complete rupture with the past allowing Hollywood to produce pure slop, particularly in the costume departments. Monthy Python and the Holy Grail has more realistic costumes than The King (2019)
Is this true? Im not a costume expert, could it be it was an aesthetic decision (however bad).
>it's known that viking berserker's ingest hallucinogenic mushrooms
No it isn't. It's a myth. The mushrooms you get in scandinavia would at best kill you. And there is no reference of it in the sagas, who simply sqy that the berserkers just hype themselves up into a rage as if they were possessed. There's also parts where the sagas depict berserkers as fools, like when one berserker tries to scare Gunnar Hámundarsson by biting his shield and Gunnar just kicks the bottom of his shield causing his teeth to fly out.
Also, the sagas do not depict ghost fights (which are more like rap battles if anything) as being an hallucination like the movie does, which simply depicts Amleth as being sick in the head due to his culture and losing his father. In the sagas, Grettir actually wrestles the ghost of Glám whose eyes actually haunt him for the rest of his life.
shut up, nerd. you're wrong
I'm right, actually. I am actually interested in this stuff and read sagas for fun.
I wouldn't say stolen. Shakesphere adapted it like he adapted Plutarch.
literal moron strenght
>>it's known that viking berserker's ingest hallucinogenic mushrooms
>No it isn't. It's a myth. The mushrooms you get in scandinavia would at best kill you
Amanita Muscaria grows in Scandinavia, Amanita Panthera does too. Neither will kill you, people take them all the time.
You cannot perform in combat while high like that. They pumped themselves up because they were dogmatic, not high. Go back to Survive The Jive. Marinuana is sooooo Indo-European dude
>You cannot perform in combat while high like that.
You could definitely perform in combat while under the influence of mushrooms. Probably not high doses though.
>You cannot perform in combat while high like that.
That's true, that's why your warrior cult gets high and disassociates as a bonding and motivational exercise, not as some sort of combat drug (PCP was not yet invented)
you can if your culture has built up an understanding and response to the drugs in that way. just because we associate shrooms with slacker dude lmao im trippin balls bro, doesnt mean other cultures did. psychedelics affect you in a way based on what you bring to them
>if your culture has built up an understanding and response to the drugs in that way
But the Norse hadn't done that. There's no sources from them talking about how they associate mushroom highs with battle, that shit is just later fiction or stories from other people than the Norse (especially the stuff having them drinking reindeer piss, like Laplanders). Berserkers weren't some common thing, they were crazy outliers and that's why they were talked about.
Boy are you wrong. Actual Norwegian here and we definitely have psychedelic mushrooms that grow here.
>t's known that viking berserker's ingest hallucinogenic mushrooms
no you fricking moron, it was a fungi that grew in food and it's not hallucinogenic, it just made you wasted, like alcohol
i loved the film and the dark psychedelic journey it is, but eggers doesn't know how to shoot action scenes. if the action scenes were more impactful i think it would have gone a long way in making the film more successful without compromising any artistic integrity. i don't think that one long continuous shot in the viking raid was a good choice for example. filmgays might jerk themselves over something like that, but i think it was misused here
Weird that you find a flaw in the raid scene. What would you do to improve it?
i don't know, i love long shots and all, but i felt like the brutality and power wasn't conveyed well enough. maybe it was an acting problem, who knows. maybe as you're doing that long shot in the background, do a cut to amleth's quickly as he's dispatching someone then continue following in the background as he's hulking to the next fight
>brutality and power wasn't there
Mate a small troupe massacred and enslaved a whole village.
sure, all i'm saying is that the scene didn't sell me on its fights. eggers wanted to be artsy with the long take and i feel it was the wrong move
here's what i think is a good action scene. no shaky cam homosexualry, using the camera and movement of actors together to convey force and tasteful use of fast cuts
Cool potential for a movie ruined by a small minded plot. A heroic berserker fights against...a struggling village, barely guarded in the middle of nowhere, woah grab your popcorn, this ones an epic.
>one dude against a lord and his entire retinue
That's the thing. How the frick is he still pretending to be a lord in iceland? Remember, there weren't even any landed titles in scandinavia. In Iceland, the goðorðs were legal offices that could be bought and sold. Why are the soldiers just standing there like npc guards? They should be tilling the fields like the rest.
This. I mistook the raid for the final battle in the trailer, but apperantly Eggers just wanted to include a simple raid scene. I get that a lot of the sagas take place in Iceland, but icelander sagas are pretty unique and this did not feel like one at all. Besides, wasn't he just adapting Amleth's saga? That one doesn't even take place in Iceland. It just felt like Eggers was ticking a checklist.
That's kinds what I thought the movie was going to be about from the trailer clips, I thought Amleth was going to return with a crack team of madlads and a witch and take on his uncle's whole chiefdom with shocking violence and a bit of subterfuge.
Basically this. Great movie for anons who use telegram kek
yeah it’s not for us brown liberals at all
Viking life was an eternal competition
It's an art house gays remake of Conan the barbarian. no really: it is literally that, eggers openly admits it. Problem is it's markedly inferior to that film.
Conan had actual character development, and didn't try to include some weird freudian complex or social commentary on slavery. It didn't even depict Norse culture accurately. It's like he just nit-picked the weirdest accounts made by foreigners like ibn Fadhlan that he could find and had to incorporate them, making the Norse look like batshit insane people.
Aside from having a le buff warrior man as the hero it is nothing like Conan.
Egger's words. There are overall similarities like the whole revenge drama thing.
Maybe Eggers was just trying to sell it to people (it's just like Conan, it'll make a lot of money!) but if he meant it seriously then he's wrong. Not even the setting is the same, Conan the Barbarian is set in pre-history while The Northman is set in the high Viking era of the 10th century.
I don't think the setting matters when you are making comparisons. Both are revegence dramas, both have fantastical elements, both feature a single antagonist. The northman, however, is freudian, while Canon is Nietzschean
>Both are revegence dramas
One is about getting revenge against a close family member that the protagonist knows personally, the other is about getting revenge against some random dude.
>both have fantastical elements
The fantastic elements in The Northman are implied to be simply how Amleth and the other characters are interpreting events through their mythology, the mushrooms we regard as psychodelic they think of as demon sorcery for instance. In Conan all the fantastic elements are 100% real.
>both feature a single antagonist
Really? Well in that case then The Northman is really just a remake of Die Hard.
>The fantastic elements in The Northman are implied to be simply how Amleth and the other characters are interpreting events through their mythology,
No. Their implying that Amleth is actually delusional. Like how he chooses to interpret his mother's laughs as cries for help. All of these are valid comparisons especially going by Eggers' words, which you choose to believe were simply lies
It's the story of Amleth, which was stolen and retold as Hamlet, which Lion King and any number of modern movies has copied.
Young prince has father murdered by his Uncle....who takes the wife. Amleth/Hamlet, how could you not see that.
Not supposed to be comfy. It's a tragedy and the background (Nordic mythology/viking movements and interactions throughout Europe) is full of action and toughness.
it was kino when he was larping as a angry farm ghost stringing people up like it was a Hannibal episode
the rest was boring
it should have just been farm ghost for 2 hours
Eggers oversold it when he said this was his Conan the Barbarian.
A israelite? Pretending to be a Scandinavian in my viking movie? It's more likely than you think.
tbf both cultures were known for their merchants
Norse were known more for being merchants until the raids. Even then, everything was more or less about trade and war. You should see some of their bronzrle age artifacts. Amazing metallurgy
Seemed pretty spot on as effeminate Frey worshipper with the angle they were going for there
Certified kino. Don't know what else to add really
Watch The Last Kingdom season 1-3 instead.
Does it fall off after that?
More or else.
Any viking bros here watch Vinland Saga?
I dropped it at the first chapter. ridiculous animeslop capeshit
Yes. From what I have heard, it stops being good soon after Farmland. They should have stuck closer to the actual historical record instead of trying to slip away from the facts.
Vikings are cringe and boring
>can't into Shakespeare
Consider castration.
I think it was the voice coaching. those accents made me turn it off and put on something i could understand without straining
>something i could understand without straining
U wot? It's hardly Snatch, is it?
sounded like bad russian accents
That still shouldn't have you straining to understand them? It's not like they sounded like some Appalachian hillbilly whose family was so isolated that they invented new words a century ago, or God forbid... Sc*ttish.
if i have to listen to that accent, they better be saying bleh
vikings were real jerks
Pure kino. I’ve seen it 3 times so far.
don't the horses think it's for real?
Stunt horses.
so the horses understand acting?
If you want Norf-Kino watch 13th warrior.
the witch and the lighthouse arent comfy either. i value the work put into the filmmaking and performances i just dont ever want to see those movies again.
That’s hilarious. Those are great movies, I’ve seen them a bunch of times.
where did you get the impression that eggers movies were "comfy"?
they're more like melodramatic fever dreams or something
anti white gaslighters are low iq
It's was larping nerdgasm nonsense.
I was thinking of skipping gym today, but I will go now
thanks Cinemaphile
>historical epic
>the men look like fitness models with bodies that can only be achieved with today's equipment and food
I guarantee most vikings did not have abs
source on your "guarantee"?
>bodies that can only be achieved with today's equipment and food
lmao at this dyel implying exercise, meat and carbs didn't exist before current year
they also had like 3 times the testosterone of modern men
Imagine doing something so fricking cool like this that your feat gets talked about long enough to be written down in Sagas and then adapted into a movie that makes people on the internet complain about how unrealistic it is.
Viking fricking shits.
>Muh mushrooms
The simplest explanation is not mushrooms. I know they found traces in that one grave, but that hardly establishes any sort of common precedent. Different berserkers likely had different ways if getting into that headspace.
you aren’t a white man