This isn't endearing. Asha just looks like a 25 year old trying to act like a 10 year old. Why does Disney do this? Wish looks terrible primarily due to the stupid expressions the lead character makes.
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This isn't cute
Activist Disney MCs are boring.
Activists in general are awful to be around.
>Activist
Is that what we're calling them now?
They call themselves that. Every character in Disney movies and shows is an activist now. Look at the new proud family as another example
I'm not familiar with modern disney, and it sounds like I'm not msising much. I trust what you say, anon. They sound insufferable
Because these movies are made for adult womenchildren.
Ding ding ding.
Only autistic Disney adults would like this. Zoomers and gen alpha just see the cringe
Agreed. We hate Disney more than fricking anything.
When every movie has to be a musical with some lame "shocking" twist with quirky MCs and the concept art is consistently more interesting than the final product for decades now they don't need to be defended from criticism
Kids like it when adults act funny too
You guys are looking too hard at Disney slop
Everything about Disney's designs are selling GOOD LOOKING FEMALE SEXO to people. Every single frame is designed to take out of context for a meme to project female emotions onto or for porn artists to sexualize it and sell the character even further.
The last time I checked, Asha only had one porn pic
damn
remember, if they don't even wanna make porn of yer MC, yer kinda fricked
>Disney's designs are selling GOOD LOOKING FEMALE SEXO
>Disney
>Selling sexo
>Sexualising a woman
Dude, shut up, that's so fricking stupid, Disney is the most woke shit this fricking planet has right now.
Well they're not doing a good job. This b***h is ugly
second post best post
women are socially allowed to behave like kids, there's a reason why the term manchild is used so often for guys who like toys or vidya or whatever, but nobody calls every woman who behaves like a toddler or collects little cutesy stuffy animals or funkie pops or crystals or whatever her current form of play is a woman child
cause that shits just normal
Written by them too. 30-something year old women who think they're still 20-something, which means they can still act like quirky adorkable goofballs and it's supposed to be endearing, even though the reality is that they are mentally stunted and refuse to grow up.
It's kinda funny to read this on this site of all places.
To be fair we aren’t writing and producing multi-million dollar movies for public consumption.
where else can I call someone a homosexual without getting permabanned. do tell.
takes one to know one
As opposed to adult menchildren, like us
This is 100% correct of every woman I know that has enjoyed any of these movies in the last ten years
Not even the normies like her
Why don't they extensively test character designs with kids before animating these movies? The characters in onward, wish, Raya and strange worlds have zero visual appeal
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>Why don't they extensively test character designs with kids before animating these movies?
What for? The executives at Disney know exactly what kids want: Plushies!
The star is cute to be fair so I guess that worked. It’s just kind of sad though really, people have the money and dare I say even the creative energy to make something really good but too many cooks spoil the broth and everything gets dragged down by numbers and test audiences and everybody talking rather than having one or two people taking charge and just doing their vision.
It didn't work. Nothing they did worked. This movie could have been great and they ruined it.
>Magnifico is a fallen star who has been seduced from being a force for hope by his love for his naughty hotty wife
Such a more interesting idea than anything Disney's put out recently.
I took it moreso as
>the star boy here is actually the soon to be Luma ripoff.
Potential ss would have been off the fricking chaaarrttsss. It also would force the female lead to show more maturity or play the straight gal.
Disney hates heterosexual romance. Jennifer Lee thinks girls having an interest in boys makes them weak and anti-feminists.
> No romance with a hot star prince
Aaaaand you lost the girl audience. Goes to show these movies are primarily made for wine aunts and their suck-ups in mind.
I would have watched this movie for cute starboy x main character. Why are they so moronic and can't get something this basic right?
Sounds like there's a moral or recurring theme here.
Honestly would have bothered watching this if the star was acute boy and her love interest but no, Disney fricked up the most classic reliable element
>Disney fricked up the most classic reliable element
Little girls lap this shit up like nobody's business. Disney's obsession with the culture war is losing them easy money,
It would be hilarious if magnifico plushies sell more than the star blob
Still hilarious nips decided to make official MagnifiCUTE plushie
I still can’t unsee him as Hispanic Evel Knievel
i will single-handedly infiltrate Disney studios to unearth pencil tests featuring the twink starboy we were all denied.
frick.
They PUBLISHED A BOOK with all their good ideas!
I mean already it sounds 20 times more interesting but I guess women can’t be baddies
I feel like they simplified the shit out of the plot for the sake of 6-year olds. Like, seriously, I was reading about how the constellations control people's fate and that Asha wants to free humans from fate-based slavery by teaming up with the Star People and I just totally imagine a little kid zoning out in a theater. They want cute star making chickens sing and shoot eggs from their butt with jukebox pop songs. While the former would've been a more coherent story, it's a bit too ambitious for modern-day megacorp Disney. Maybe 80's or 90's Disney would've gone for it.
>Like, seriously, I was reading about how the constellations control people's fate and that Asha wants to free humans from fate-based slavery by teaming up with the Star People and I just totally imagine a little kid zoning out in a theater.
Ugh, yeah, when I was a kid a felt asleep with movies like the lion king or the hunchback of Notre Dame. Too much politics stuff, am I right? Booooring.
To be fair I didn’t get *why* stuff happened in Hunchback as a little kid, I just knew there was a baddy and something something gargoyles, but for the most part it was just pretty images and songs.
You act as if Notre Dame was a hit with kids. You think kids would've sat through that movie if not for the gargoyles? Lion King was a hit because it was a very simple story with talking animals and a farting warthog. It didn't have a weird abstract fate slavery plot. You're kind of proving my point.
Why are executives allergic to Magnifikino...
Disney had an analyst who said that the >Villains who literally did nothing wrong was a huge market.
>her character evolved but her design didn't.
Sometimes evolution ia dead end.
i genuinely have to ask if disney's animation studios has an issue with nepo hires/yes-men or some shit? i know nowadays people are either autistic about disney or hate it/prefer indie productions but disney is still a pretty prestigious company to work for, i don't feel like people would just turn down working for them. so why does it feel like they're just left grasping for straws? there hasn't been any breakout animators or directors for years now.
are they even looking for genuinely talented people? are they just hiring whatever rabid, 'artsy' millennial that waltzes in with enough money or connections to get in? i know the whole calarts pipeline is a thing and disney refusing to do anything that isn't 3d knocked their quality down a few notches but christ it isn't supposed to be that noticeable.
everything they put out lately just feels like it's self indulgent shit solely meant for the people behind the productions. these concepts look like they're from a shitty art instagram made by a disney wine adult who got their first ipad at christmas.
at least these
look like they were made with some sovl, but the designs and art still feels limited to that of a teenager's art tumblr riding off the tangled hype. these are grown ass people on a company's paycheck and this is the craziest they could fricking get? the writing can be dogshit for all i care but at least have some good visuals.
Woke activist unqualified diversity hires are the ones responsible for killing the company
Look at the starboy concept art in this thread from the art book. Talent obviously exists in Disney, the people who make decisions are out of touch idiots who no longer know what audiences want.
>are they just hiring whatever rabid, 'artsy' millennial that waltzes in with enough money or connections to get in?
Probably this one.
>rabid, 'artsy' millennial that waltzes in with enough money or connections
Tired of said people making stories about generational trauma too
or nonstop daddy issues.
Young Magnifico
I want an AI to make this movie to be honest.
Here you go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wish_(film)
Haha
But you know what I mean, I want to see the version of the movie where Magnificio and his wife are a sexy affable evil couple, Star is some cute love interest and the movie is 2D. I’ll forgive the machine spirit for taking my job if it can allow me to make whatever moronic crap I want for my own viewing pleasure.
Even more star designs
From this page it seemed like they stopped giving a shit
The best part of that page is the little message on the left about how they encouraged the artists to go crazy with the designs, "sky's the limit, guys".
And then they chose the five-pointed star with a face...
That explains it,
Because even in that page you could see that the humanoid stars had far more detail then the others. Feels like the Artists clearly wanted to go down that route but when it became clear that wasnt what the suits wanted they just gave up.
Or maybe they halfassed it so the suits and directors would pick the good human looking stars when they compared and contrasted it to the literal 5 pointed wire star but it just didn't happen
A real tragedy from the looks of it.
The one picked just looks like a boring less emotive kirby
still crying laughing at the fricking chicken dog.
Are Disney executives insane? They threw away an actual character and hook for...this? Teenage girls love pretty cartoon men.
Well they got Magnifico
too old for teenage girls and children
It's like they're purposefully trying to be bland failures. I don't understand why.
The bigger they are, the more static, internally focused and risk-averse companies become. Disney has become so huge they’re practically incapable of producing anything that isn’t just momentum-based maximisation of earnings for their shareholders.
Why couldn't it be a cute boy with his pet star? It could've been a slight nod to Peter Pan & Tinkerbell duo, since this movie is all about referencing classic Disney movies. They could've hit Cinderella (Godmother in the end), Pinocchio (Wish Upon a Star), Snow White (Asha's friends), AND Peter Pan (Starboy and Starblob) all in the same movie.
Because that would require artistry and thought
I can't belive I'm saying that but I miss Disney romance. Once in a while won't hurt. When was the last time we got something like this? Anna and Kristoff?
Princess and the Frog?
That was before Frozen
If we’re counting Pixar, then Elemental was just a few months ago. If not, then Frozen 2 had that whole deal about Anna marrying Kristoff, but it was as muddled and shitty as the rest of the movie.
It worked for rapunzel but then they made every female Disney lead rapunzel
Rapunzel was literally living in a single room for most of her life, it’d be more shocking if she was mature. This one is just is a dumb b***h who never grew up.
She's also a girlboss activist according to reviews.
>This one is just is a dumb b***h who never grew up.
Welcome to millenials and gen z, anon.
>*milennials
That's them. Zoomers are just insane.
That's exactly what the video goes into as well. Rapunzel is the blueprint for modern adorkable heroines, and just about every female heroine since has been given quirky scenes and behaviors regardless of upbringing or personality, just to keep them relatable/marketable.
>For once I'd like to see an actual butthole.
More difficult to pull off but not impossible. If she was something like Kuzco, it'd be really entertaining.
Rapunzel at least had an excuse, being the first with her circumstances made it work
All the rest are shity Rapunzel clones without the charm or charisma of the original, it's almost as if all they could do is lame girlboss or knock off womanchild
god I’d love another Kuzco
surprised no one posted Guillermo del Toro's "emotional pornography quote
wow that explains a lot
What about her?
>Pixar
But regardless she's far from adorkable. She's firey, wild, rough, bit of tomboy
Merida is actually a well-written original character. She’s stubborn, serious, sincere, a bit selfish and bratty (a character flaw she has to address in the movie), and very hot tempered, sometimes to her detriment. I think she has more in common with Judy than with Raps/Mirabel/Anna/Asha.
And Marida being a rebellious princess started the plot, and in the end both Merida and her mother learned to talk with each other.
I remember people hated Merida, probably just reinforced the quirky girl trend
Most underrated Disney girl and its no contest. Medieval Scots Tomboy is probably my fav princess.
Listen Meridagay, I must apologize for years prior when I was those anons shitting on Brave and said Merida was the worst Disney Princess simply because I didn't like her/Brave's plot.
But now Raya, WiR2 and Wish exists to show me what real worst Disney Princess material looks like and I appreciate Merida so much more.
I felt her character made sense and the movie was better than most Disney princess movies. Don't understand why she is not more popular, though.
Disney had the same problem in the 90s didn't they? Animaniacs made fun of it.
The 90's Disney girls still had their own personalities. Yes, they were somewhat similar ("has a passion, wants to change things for themselves"), especially for Ariel, Belle, and Jasmine, but they did also have flaws, and they weren't always right. Plus the later ladies like Mulan and Megara were actually very unique characters.
>Those last few notes doing the "We're in the money" tune
Fricking brilliant.
>7 bucks
Goddamn have times changed
I wouldnt exactly call Judy adorkable.
Me neither. She was actually a more serious protagonist who took her job seriously. But the point still stands that the common audience are growing tired of similar protags from Disney, Asha being the biggest offender to date from what I've heard
I do agree with the trend. I thought it was harmless in the case of Mirabel because it seemed like the adorkability was just a facade of cheerfulness she put up for her family, but if Asha is another Ana clone its going to be too much.
Judy was sincere and competent, traits that are extremely rare in Disney heroines
Yeah she's just frickable
It’s cute and hot sometimes when it’s done right like with tangles or froz n but it gets too much like encanto and it’s been going on before tangled
Funny thing about Asha is she's so bland. Even by protagonist standards she has almost no drive or desire of her own (her big motivation being her families wishes not her own), she's not particularly clever or witty, she's not really facing many obstacles in life with a large supportive group of friends.... There's nothing to particularly like about her. Hell she comes across as kind of entitled and shortsighted with Magnifico and in a different film these would've made for good character flaws but they frame it like she's in the right. So there's just nothing to her.
That's pretty much the same problem with Anna, Mirabel, and to a lesser extent Judy. Heck, some people would also argue Moana. They all are treated as completely right and their flaws are not addressed enough.
Anna wanted to find romance, Mirabel wanted to fit in with her family, Judy wanted to be a police officer, and Moana wanted to explore. Say what you will about anything else about their character they each had their own desires in their films. Asha lacks this - her only goal is to see other people's wishes come true. It makes her especially bland with almost nothing to find even remotely relatable.
>Anna wanted to find romance
That was thrown out in the first like five minutes of the film, and then they just pushed Hans onto her at the last minute.
Flaws? Are you some kind of misogynist or something?
Judy is definitely not treated as completely right. Her unconscious prejudices and self-righteousness almost cost her her best friend and cause a race war, and she has to pretty much grovel for forgiveness. Judy begins as a very flawed character and the movie doesn’t shy away from showing it even outside the dramatic moments.
>Judy: I only wanted to say you’re a great dad and just a real articulate fella.
>Nick (heavy sarcasm): Well, that’s a high praise. It’s rare that I find someone so non-patronizing.
Woman moment.
Even people over Twitter and YouTube said this about her.
>No sense of individuality
How did this test with eastern audiences?
Asians don't want to look at brown people
Why is that suddenly a problem? Don't get me wrong, her movie sucks, but it has nothing to do with the main girl having no personality. Being bland and directionless is par for the course with disney protagonists, and kinda with protagonists in general. Disney's rat mascot is the embodiment of blandness, and the stock male protags like the chinlet from Onward and Linguini are not much better. The classic disney princesses couldn't even stay awake for their own movie.
The actual problem with Asha is that she's black and ugly and she lacks a cute boyfriend. No little girl wants to self-insert as a woke femcel.
My issue is the villain
I actually thought the other day that it would be more subversive if they just flat out made Asha a villain protagonist. The art book describes her as someone who becomes an activist, and with activists being selfish pricks who what what they want when they want it regardless of the consequences, what's a better place to start? You could fit a couple themes in there depending on how your write it.
>want what they want when they want it
typo
They want all little kids to be pro groomer homosexual antifa activists, so they will never portray a woke activist as evil. The sheep mayor's assistant in zootopia is the last time we'll get anything close to that. I still can't believe how based zootopia was, even for its time period. How did Disney allow it? That's Disney animations last classic movie
>she's in the right
I know this is a meme, but she is in the right. Magnifico wanting to keep the wishes for himself is wrong, no amount of flip-flopping around this will change that. The problem was never that he grants wishes, the issue is that he keeps the wishes he doesn't grant to himself instead of giving them back because....reasons?
It's just a weak reason for him to be evil, because people being able to achieve their own dreams and goals is of no threat to his authority at all to make him this way. Thus he is a weak villain.
White man bad. You're thinking about it too much. At the end of the day magnifico must be punished for the crime of being a white male.
Asha's grandfather whose wish she's trying to grant is whiter than Magnifico
He did nothing wrong.
I kind of like the song...
Wasn’t this song kinda found out that it was written by AI’?
How would that even be found out?
There's AI that can detect AI writing.
Don't a lot of those have false positives?
Mostly when it is corporate writing
The composer for this movie is someone that writes a lot of pop slop, so that's not that far off.
>The disrespect I just underwent!
It’s growing on me. Still feels like a weaker You’re Welcome, though.
The only good thing about the movie is him and his song.
I liked the Wish song and the stardust song. But all the other song were pretty mediocre.
It sounds like the Pokemon Johto Journeys theme
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They made him too likable to hate and his "evil scheme" isn't really evil, at most kind of douchey, like Kuzco. This is the one time were a more nuanced handling of the antagonist would have made sense.
Also listen to him in this song. Does bro really deserve being stuck in a mirror forever? Just have him do community service.
WHY THE FRICK ISN'T THIS A LOVE SONG?! Holy shit, this could have been kino.
Because WHITE MAN LE BAD, why don't you get it yet?
Love? In a modern Disney movie? Between STRAIGHT people? You're outta your frickin' mind.
BLEACHED BROS WE WERE ROBBED
AHHHHHHH
>no cute perky brown girl x suave Spaniard DILF pairing
why do they hate us?
we could have had villain x heroine kino, but because Jennifer Lee is allergic to romance we only get glimpses of what could have been.
I think this makes the most sense, because there are several references to a long period of time, so it would fit an established older couple. It honestly would had been a lovely song for Magnifico and his wife in a better movie.
It's most likely a repurposed love ballad back when the Queen was Magnifico's evil partner in crime and they sang it to each other. In the new version they're singing about the wishes, which makes no sense.
Man, this isn't a musical. This is just another radio song. I hate the direction Disney songs have gone in. Tangled was the last musical they had that actually felt like a traditional musical and not like High School Musical.
I know, a musical should be the sort of thing you can sing along to, people may deride such things as cheesy and what-not but gosh darn it it's FUN dammit.
Frozen sounded pretty musical to me.
So much so that it actually had its own broadway musical adaptation. Moana and Encanto’s soundtracks were fine too
>Frozen sounded pretty musical to me.
I know people that can tell me at least three different songs from Tangled (Mother knows best, the healing one, I see the light, ...) or Moana (Shiny, Ur welcome, How far I'll go), but nobody who can tell me the same from Frozen. I mean, anybody remembers the ice song from the beggining of the movie? (Or how the movie starts, to begin with).
Now, think about the Lion King or Aladdin. I asure you anyone can remember the first song from those movies (Circle of life and Arabian nights.)
When people have trouble remembering the songs, you think you're dealing with a good musical or a bad one?
Frozen has For the First time in Forever and Do you Want to Build a snow man as the good songs people knows. Love is an Open Door was a good song but tainted by the stupid Hans twist. That's 3 songs in the first 15 minutes of the film.
On a side note I wish Hans wasn't evil. That twist was so stupid. They should have had Hans remain a good guy but in the end Anna realizes he's not the right guy for her and goes with Kristoff instead. Also, Kristoff should have been more than a literal nothing nobody character. Why did they cast a broadway singer with such a good voice only to not let him sing anything?
Let It Go is literally a pop song, sung by a pretty blonde lady in a beautiful dress and everything. Imagine if you put "Call Me, Maybe" in a Disney movie and claimed it was a musical. Yeah, it's a SONG, and it's in a MOVIE, but that doesn't automatically make it a musical. Traditional musicals have a very distinct lyrical and sound design to them, which is why a person can "not be into musicals" to begin with. The whole reason why Hamilton ended up turning heads was specifically how subversive it was to a traditional musical. I mean, it was rap on Broadway-- and it was successful. That's basically unheard of.
I hate Lin-Manuel's style of writing for musicals but that seems to be what every one wants to copy now. If that's the current style, okay, then I guess I'm "not into musicals" anymore. But you can't sit there and tell me Lin-Manuel and Alan Menken are on the same level. They're not even on the same planet when it comes to musical song writing.
>Traditional musicals have a very distinct lyrical and sound design to them, which is why a person can "not be into musicals" to begin with. The whole reason why Hamilton ended up turning heads was specifically how subversive it was to a traditional musical. I mean, it was rap on Broadway-- and it was successful. That's basically unheard of.
Anon I...
Notice how in "Do You Want to Build a Snowman?", the lyrics suddenly stop when the story needs to elaborate on Elsa's condition or the parents dying. A better musical would've incorporated that INTO the song. If you were to listen to this song on its own with no visuals, you would have zero idea this major plot point is happening in the middle of it. A musical is not just random singing in the middle of a story-- the song IS the dialogue. The characters are not aware they are going into song-mode, they are simply doing it. Compare this to Gaston where he hatches his scheme with Maurice in the song itself.
This is the key difference between Modern Disney and Renaissance Disney. The former just gets random pop song artists to craft songs that would sound good on a radio. They often contain lyrics of empty platitudes and no real story beats so it can be played isolated on Spotify for people who never plan on seeing the movie.
>the lyrics suddenly stop when the story needs to elaborate on Elsa's condition or the parents dying. A better musical would've incorporated that INTO the song. If you were to listen to this song on its own with no visuals, you would have zero idea this major plot point is happening in the middle of it.
Goofy sang it better:
no one cares about your autistic opinions about musicals
You do
He's right, though
Encanto was extremely musical and Lin Manuel Miranda-ey, as was Moana.
I can't get past the fact that Chris Pine's voice doesn't match Magnifico's face AT ALL. The voice I imagine when I look at that character clashes so fricking hard with the voice acting I just can't stand it.
For me I heard Magnifico's voice before seeing his full design, so it's not as jarring in my opinion. But I kind of get it, Chris Pine has a young voice even at his age while Mags looks like he's pushing pass 50.
Yeah, he sounds like he's a fresh-faced 25 year old but he looks like a wizened 55 year old who should sound more mature and world-weary. His manchildish mannerisms and Californian millennial speech patterns don't help, either, but that's all squarely on the writers.
Everyone on tik tok is saying "Remember when Disney made good villain songs like Hellfire and Mother Knows Best ?" and I think Mother Knows Best is bad too lol
Mother Knows Best is fine, just has weird momentum because it starts and stops; the uncut song is worse. The reprise is better about this but too short.
Never forget Jafar almost got a silly villain song too. https://youtu.be/W9vXZncjGvk?feature=shared
Didn't he get one in the sequel?
Yes, but we don’t count straight to video sequels
Man, that's a great song.
I’m just gonna leave this here…
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZT8UWnKbt/
>"Stay in line"
Not bad. needs to be easie to sing, but it's better than what Disney gave us. It makes him sound more like a tyrant instead of a king who got deposed for not granting the whim of a diversity hire.
You're right. This movie is all about a woke diversity hire intern coming to a company and then destroying it from the inside with her woke activism and moronic beliefs. That is Disney's ideal hero now.
Because the people working on the movie are 25 year olds that act like 10 year olds
Women are immature brats, more at 11
What is with Disney trying to push quirky female protagonists over the past decade? Because of the success of Rapunzel? Can't they try something new like a cynical, aloof, and composed protagonist?
>Can't they try something new like a cynical, aloof, and composed protagonist?
They did that with Elsa, their most popular character of all time. No one liked adorkable Anna, but they decided to make all their future characters Anna variants with different skin tones.
>They did that with Elsa, their most popular character of all time. No one liked adorkable Anna
Except Elsa was more popular for her sex appeal, powers, and hit single rather than for her personality. Anna doesn't have those three things. That's why she's forgettable to even the target demographic (little girls).
I disagree.
Elsa had a tragic story. When she escapes and she sings, it feels authentic. Her actions are a reflection of her emotions after a sad life.
That doesn't happen in Frozen 2 or Strange World for example.
In my opinion, a lot of Disney movies feel like nothing is really happening. And the main charactes in those movies are like playing around, and you can't care if they are sad or worried.
I can barely remember the plot to Frozen 2.
But I can remember the plot to Frozen almost verbatim.
Frozen 2 was a bunch of frickery and I think it ended with Elsa becoming some sort of elemental or force of nature..
Frozen 2 was white guilt bullshit designed to frame Elsa and Anna's parents as evil repressive colonizers of peaceful indigenous people. I have no idea what Disney was thinking when they greenlit the frozen 2 script.
Well when they greenlit it the script was one page that said "Frozen 2". Everything else they just kinda figured out as they went.
Frozen 2 being "White Guilt" the movie was fricking wild. Also to imply that natives from Norway or any of the scandies look like Inuits is beyond cucked.
Exactly Samis are white as frick and look more white than the average Norwegian.
Frozen 2 was a production mess and "white guilt" was their last desperate effort to make a story with any kind of emotional resonance.
They failed, but it was their last attempt to do something.
Wow, the tone between movies is so different. What could have possibly happenned between Frozen I and II for it to change so much?
Olaf's Frozen Adventure is one of the worst decisions Disney has made. They played a 22-min TV special before an entire movie. By the time Coco started I was just confused, angry, and defeated.
oy veyyyyyy SHUT IT DOWN
Jennifer Lee booted out Lasseter, the heart and soul of Disney animation
does Elsa recognise Israel as a legitimate state?
That was a plot point too. Anna was immature and almost fricking died because of her blind immature bs.
Frozen could not be made with today's standards.
1. Strong female character who isnt some autistic weirdo.
2. Sister who is immature and thinks the new guy in her life is her new love, the chill dude who is real is ignored and friendzoned despite doing more than being a rich hot guy
3. Strong female lead's destructive issues almost get people hurt, she isolates herself away to try to save everyone, but unintentionally starts a permanent winter in her sorrow
4. Immature sister goes to save her, right thing to do
5. Immature sister with her flaws almost gets the both of them killed by trusting the rich guy who flips a b***h on both of them to try to seize their kingdom
6. Immature sister learns from this, gets saved by the stronger sister, both learn from their flaws because they were written with them and overcame them. Immature sister becomes mature and learns she doesn't have to fall for the princess trope.
If that were made today:
1. Elsa would have been unintentionally made completely villainous and unlikable, but we're told we have to like her. She is perfect and nothing is wrong with her.
2. Anna would be quirky and weird, she would hate every man who helped her and throw them under the bus, she would do nothing herself, but would be a constant problem.
3. Elsa would run away not because of her own issues, but because the MEN were holding her back from being her true self.
4. Incestual sapphic undertones would be pushed constantly.
5. the men get BTFO in some fight, leave distraught and confused, and things magically get better and everyone cheers.
6. Anna and Elsa share a kiss.
7. Elsa is revealed to be a troony by the creator after release as a "gotcha" to generate "white male tears" while wearing a "The Future is female" shirt and the flavor of the month pride flag pins. Also wearing crocs. looks suspiciously like Anna.
Also all the men would be incels and say bro a lot, the worst ones would be openly saying how the kingdom needs a strong man. The main evil man would look suspiciously like Donald Trump. He would be portrayed as incompetent and sexist, but then say shit that isnt that bad or evil. Like "The queen is destroying the country and no longer cares about any of us, we are going to die if we don't try to stop her, we need to talk her down and return the country back to normal so we don't starve to death." This would be seen as evil sentiment.
The movie would end with him being frozen to death and shattered, everyone cheering, and nothing actually resolved. Everyone learns to accept the new change and the movie ends, never addressing the fact the place is now an inhospitable frozen hellscape that cannot support life or people. People calling that out would be called racist/sexist.
Else would also be black.
>1. Elsa would have been unintentionally made completely villainous and unlikable, but we're told we have to like her. She is perfect and nothing is wrong with her.
This is exactly what happens in the original movie. What are you smoking?
Elsa isn't strong, she's a different type of autist who throw a tantrum when she's confronted with the consequences of her actions.
>4. Incestual sapphic undertones would be pushed constantly.
Have you seen the merchs?
b***h completely ghosts her baby sister for years with no explanation, lets her deal with all the public functions after their parents' death (doesn't plan to abdicate herself, though), freezes her entire country and doesn't give a shit, nearly kills her sister, and as far as the movie is concerned, she still did nothing wrong and everything she did was somebody else's fault. The morality in Frozen is so whack you can't help but wonder what the frick is wrong with the writers'/director's brains.
>b***h completely ghosts her baby sister for years with no explanation,
She nearly killed her, and the trolls didn't help
You can still communicate with people without facing them directly, you know. Frozen’s whole drama hinges on a bizarre premise that letters don’t exist, people can never move away, and apparently nobody can give Anna any explanation, not even an embellished one, why her sister suddenly doesn’t talk to her. In a world populated by people who aren’t insane idiots, Elsa’s royal parents would move her to some remote country estate where she would be safely away from people, explain to Anna that she had to move away for health reasons or something, and let them exchange letters like people in the past usually did. No mention of magic, no physical contact. Elsa could have done all of these things herself once she grew older, too.
Frozen is the very definition of forced drama, because nearly everything happens there only because most characters are morons from Mars that don’t think like human beings.
To be fair, she did accidentally give her sister brain cancer and the only way to cure it was to wipe her memories, so she was afraid of her remembering
Yeah, she was so afraid for Anna that when Anna came to tell her she’s ruining their country, Elsa speared her with more ice and sent a murderous ice giant after her as a first aid.
>a 25 year old trying to act like a 10 year old
25 is the new 10.
I wish I was joking.
Would you prefer a 10 year old acting like a 25 year old?
That's anime.
I just want people acting their fricking age. I loved Suzume because the 17 y/o girl acted like a 17 y/o girl and all the positive/negative attributes that entails.
>Would you prefer a 10 year old acting like a 25 year old?
>That's anime.
I've never seen that happen in anime
25-year-old anime girls may look like 10-year-olds sometimes, but they are often given mature personalities to contrast.
And the critics agree
Are they trying to be anime with these expressions? Why half ass it? This appeals to no one.
>Are they trying to be anime with these expressions?
Asha looks good at giving head.
Drawgays, get on it!
theyre trying to make her and the goat into soijaks
Yeah it's trying to get in on the REACTION FACE trend normies coughed up.
i swear to god the star wasnt in the preview image yesterday
No, 58% (the majority) liked the movie.
It’s pretty much impossible for a simple feel-good cartoon not to get a mostly positive RT rating. RT is incredibly biased towards Disney slop due to the very nature of how it works.
>Yeah, the story sucks, the characters are one-dimensional and paper thin, the direction is bland, and the dialogue is vapid, buuut the message was nice and the movie made me feel nice and fuzzy rather than miserable, so thumbs up!
The metacritic score is about the same too
And this is Rottoen Tomatos shitty Up or Down scoring designed to make most slop get a "Fresh" score.
Let me guess, there’s a “joke” with yelling goats that was already overplayed 10 years ago
Nah the Goat talks and is mostly fine. He exists exclusively to tell jokes because Disney mandates it and no one else in the movie has a sense of humor.
The jokes are mostly misses, but he is voiced by Alan Tudyk so that wins him points.
I can hear this image.
Also, wojaks when?
you mean the other type because of the Cinemaphile word filter?
Oui
>higher score than the fricking fnaf movie
never change disney shills
Don't worry. The Poppy Playtime movie will avenge it.
stfu incel
The moors were white.
You mean the moops.
They were light skinned nafris, blacks like Asha were their eunuch palace slaves.
They were Caucasoid, so yes.
But they called dark-skins also Moors, from tanned Semites to even the few Africans that ended up in Europe.
Dont men love it when women act as infantile as possible? Thats the whole point of anime waifus.
Yes, but only if they are attractive or useful to the team.
Not all of us and not all the time. An otherwise mature woman who helps us connect with our sense of wonder and whimsy is a blessing and some do have an explicit infantilism kink of some kind. Some want the exact opposite and to be treated as Mommy's Good Boy instead. If I didn't look ten years older than I am and could still grow a decent head of hair I could really indulge in something like that.
yeah i'm only attracted to men i can mommy. otherwise i prefer women
Why does this movie look like they missed the Render button?
They had such a good opportunity with this movie to make the villain the protagonist and maybe have him learn a lesson to be generous with his power. But instead they defaulted to the 'powerful men' bad narrative where spunky teenage girl rallies the hearts of the people into defeating him. At this point its just rehashed, safe, marketable leftism sold by a company too scared too challenge its audience with anything mildly nuanced. The leftism isnt even the problem, they could make an interesting movie about social revolution, but its all so corporate.
My main takeaway from listening to the movie was that ‘one person shouldn’t decide if a dream is worthy or not’ and the solution seemed to be ‘a self-appointed committee should do it instead’. I could have missed something (I was doing other things whilst listening) but does strike me that no-one should just have the arbitrary power to do powerful magic like that regardless of who they are, but wishes and all that I guess
Asha was willing to accept that not all wishes should be granted. She just wanted them to be given back if they're not ever gonna be picked. Especially considering all the wishes were given up with the agreement that it would always have a chance of being granted.
Then the King starts interchanging magically granting wishes with them being pursed at all. Which leads to him saying that only he can decide what what wishes are worthy. The problem isn't really about someone having the power to grant wishes, but someone having the power to deny others from pursuing the wishes themselves. Also the wish is like their soul or something.
I dunno how this conveyed in the audio, but at the end all the citizens are just pursing their wishes for themselves through hard work, and the Queen is helping them. Then Star gives Asha a magic wand to become a Fairy Godmother so she can use magic to help people achieve their wishes.
People can have more than one wish. They overcomplicated this shit for no reason.
Yeah and someone says that in the movie. Like I can suspend my disbelief and be like "oh its their 'truest wish'" or whatever. But Disney stop fricking lampshading these plot details. Like "oh yeah we thought about that we just couldn't come up with an answer".
Yeah thanks for clearing that up, as I said I wasn’t fully paying attention.
Though again, a lot of this feels somewhat arbitrary, like you only have one wish? I get that you have one really really big wish but even so, that feels a little forced.
I am glad that the moral (apparently) is that you need to work hard for your wish, even if they give a character a magic wand which again throws up the ‘why don’t you just magic me a flying machine’ or something like that. However that feels like a reasonable moral. I would say that the villain turn still feels somewhat forced, but it does make more sense as to why he’s bad, though I would say it’s not like he’s entirely without good reason. Better to forget you had a big dream and feeling disappointed:dissatisfied but then that’s a bit too deep for a kids movie.
To be brutally honest, I don’t think I’d like/dislike this movie based on >Characters who did nothing wrong, maybe watching it in motion would change my mind but apart from the ‘This is the thanks I get?’ I’ve forgotten most of the songs and the villain seems to be the most interesting/likeable-out-of-spite character.
You're pretty spot on, it does feel very arbitrary and the villain turn feels extremely forced. And while the King is probably the most entertaining part of the movie he's also the most frustrating. Because every crooked aspect of this plot connects to him and the wishes. The execution is just really bad.
They should've just made him and evil and not want to grant most wishes for petty reasons. They should've shown more wishes, and shown why they matter to people. All the wishes in this movie are completely arbitrary and have nothing to do with the character they belong to. And finally, they should've written better songs. For me the main song, "This Wish" and Stardust (this more for the visual sequence) were pretty good, and everything else was forgettable.
Also it does a very annoying thing for me in bad musicals when they take a perfectly plot-progressing song and make it not progress the plot. They sing a whole song about fighting back and coming up with a plan, they're singing while building maps and models, getting everything together. Then the song ends and they're like, "ok does anyone have a plan at all?" like they didn't just sing the making a plan song.
This movie does feel like it would have worked with a non standard villain for a change. They should have made him really petty and bitter or done some redemption or something, here it feels half assed.
At the very least I feel like the Queen could have treated him better at the end, maybe kept him around, ‘it’s for your own good, dear’ ‘well as long as I get to see you each morning. You are the fairest of the them all’. As cheesy as that sounds it would be something of a ‘they lived happily ever after’.
This movie feels very similar to Frozen 2, in that there are all the right pieces to make a good movie. But everything is just misaligned. I think if they ever did a documentary on this film it would look exactly the Frozen 2 one. Endless rewrites, notes, focus groups, an ever-closer deadline. But unlike Frozen 2, this film doesnt have the Frozen IP to carry it to success.
It’s made by the directors and writers of Frozen and Raya, which explains so much. It also has six different writers, which I’m sure is great for the story and character coherence.
The movie was doomed from the start.
>Raya
>You should trust more!!
>dyke repeatedly betrays, tries to murder them and prepared to kill Sisu.
>the last would finish droon apocalypse
>someone having the power to deny others from pursuing the wishes themselves
Are the people of Rosas just wishing for banal shit? Youd think people would be wishing for shit that is impossible and thus cant be pursued. Like the guy who wanted a giant chicken.
Or at least so highly improbable/hard it might aswell for all intents be impossible too.
Besides its not like hes going out of his way to take the wishes, people give them to him right? Hell this is a monthly event too isnt? I could see the whole keeping it thing coming to be because he got tired of giving hundreds of thousands of wishes back only to see the same given again next round.
As I see the only thing he did wrong was not have in big bold letters "btw when you give me a wish you forget it or something lol magic am i rite" which is a huge dick move but not eternally staff/mirror prisoner worthy
A major problem is they dont show very many wishes, but yes most of the ones they do show are very basic things they could do on their own. Asha's grandpa wishes to "write a song that inspires people". He has been waiting 80 YEARS. Also everyone who lives there "gets" to give their wish when they turn 18. They dont give any clarification on what happens if you are born in Rosas but dont want to give your wish. Also most people dont realize the wish is literal part of their soul they are giving up.
Lol
As others have said, the movie could have benefitted by making Magnifico a massive dickpiston who’s so bored he’s taking pleasure in crushing people’s dreams, or just some straight up fraudster who’s tricking people, OR make him a redeemable villain who’s just become cynical and needs a young girl to show him the joy of simple magic or whatever. Instead they made him just reasonable enough to be sympathetic but arbitrarily dickish to just pass off as a villain.
just get a fricking apprenticeship if you want to be a baker. find a baker without children, so fricking lazy. baker might be the easiest career path in the world.
Yep, she is fricking lazy and not even willing to work for her easily achievable dream that doesn't require talent and only takes a few weeks at most to learn. Lazy lumps like this c**t should not be presented as role models to children. Anime mogs Disney because the long training arcs and montages makes their powers feel earned to the viewer. Disney characters just whine and complain to get what they want and are presented as noble heroes.
the full extent of baking takes years to learn, but still just get apprenticeship
I learned to bake perfect bread within 3 weeks of watching Youtube tutorials and reading recipes I found on google during lockdowns. Baking is incredibly easy, all you have to do is follow basic instructions. I suppose that running a bakery and planning out how much bread to make every day would be more difficult but that has more to do with management than actual baking. The only type of baking that is difficult and requires long training is pastry making-I understand why those people would have to study for years because it has to taste perfect and also look perfect.
I think he means things like making very fancy cakes and weird pastries, but the point still stands. Magnifico should have just gone full Jigsaw on the population and punished them for being such a bunch of indolent, low-ambition layabouts.
Magnifico could have done the teach a man to fish thing and sent her to baking school so she had the opportunity but would still have to do all the work and get good herself.
Pastries and fancy cakes are tough, I agree, the hardest part is the decorating.
This whole thread has basically been
>Magnifico could have...
>They should have...
>I would have done...
I'm not a huge Disneygay by any stretch but I just find it sad that a company that has made some of my favourite movies, animated and otherwise, a company that has some very talented and imaginative people is only able to make utterly bland and forgettable rubbish for the past decade.
>a company that has some very talented and imaginative people is only able to make utterly bland and forgettable rubbish for the past decade.
the woke cult ideaology and need to appeal to ESG investment funds from Black Rock are the root cause.
There's many reasons for that and it's the accumulation of what's been going on with Disney over the last 30 years.
1. 70's to 80's Disney were failing to make new franchises. They weren't bankrupt or anything, but they were failing to turn stuff like Fox & the Hound or Robin Hood into a brand. They were STILL coasting on stuff like Peter Pan and Cinderella. Disney was more open to try and really blow audiences away in hopes of capturing that "WOW!" factor that made people fall in love with Snow White and Cinderella to begin with.
2. Many of the 90's animators and artists were mentees of Golden Age Disney artists. Many of the people currently working at Disney are NOT mentees of veterans such as Eric Goldberg or Glen Keane.
3. The new wave that would eventually be 90's animators had passion to prove. Don Bluth had poached a shit ton of people at Disney to make his own studio. A bunch of people who used to be assistant animators or inbetweeners basically got promoted overnight because of it.
4. Disney had competition: Don Bluth was opening a new studio, Warner Brothers wanted to start releasing animated movies, Dreamworks was getting in on the action.
5. Modern diversity politics do have some influence on the design of these movies. 90's diverse Disney was, "We should have a movie about China. We should have a movie with an Indian princess. We should have a movie about American Indians". If they were making a story about The Little Mermaid, most of the characters would be white by default because it was a European location. Now the color of Prince Eric's skin would "be a discussion". The Burger King Kids method of designing a cast is something that was and still is mocked, even if corporations refuse to acknowledge that.
So now we have a Disney whose only real competition is Illumination, with complacent artists that did not have veteran mentors, and diverse mandates that force products to be bland and "mass appealing".
The villain IS the protagonist, her name is Asha.
And here's the villain song of the movie:
oh look its the song I was talking about.
> They sing a whole song about fighting back and coming up with a plan, they're singing while building maps and models, getting everything together. Then the song ends and they're like, "ok does anyone have a plan at all?" like they didn't just sing the making a plan song.
They're trying very hard not to upset whiny moralgays
But if you had a female protagonist with a shitty antisocial personality (but still had to be the hero) you'd all call her an annoying b***h
There are ways to write antisocial buttholes without making them annoying. Like, have people treat them as antisocial buttholes or have the plot be against them in some way.
But people loved Elsa
Elsa was an introvert which makes her more relatable by default. She also isolated herself to protect the ones around her which demonstrates her morality. Elsa's personality is more along the lines of old disney princesses like Mulan, Belle, etc who are stoic but still heroines who always do the right thing. For once I'd like to see an actual butthole.
>For once I'd like to see an actual butthole.
If that happened the seethe would be endless.
>abandons her kingdom and responsibilities to live in an ice castle away from everyone including her sister who loves her
>when her sister tries to tell her the winter will frick people up and they can try finding a way to fix it together she gets so pissy she gives her sister ice AIDS and throws her out of her ice castle
>if Hans didn’t capture her Anna would have turned into a popsicle and Arendelle would have been doomed while Elsa schlicks off in her impenetrable winter fort
Real moral, that one
I mean she still saved the kingdom
Only after being dragged kicking and screaming so she could see the damage she did firsthand. Elsa isn’t a moral character because she actively refused to extend an ounce of effort to a problem she created and used her anxieties to excuse her awful selfish behavior. She ultimately gets bailed out last second with her biggest frickup fixing itself right before her eyes, rather than trying to fix it before the worst could happen through conscious effort on her part.
She left because she knew she would frick up everything if she stayed. She was losing control.
She couldn't rely on her sister because she was afraid of hurting her more than anything.
She is not a moral character, but her actions go according with her story, feelings and themes. Frozen didn't need to be a moralistic good vs evil to be good or interesting. That is why the evil duke and the evil prince are just lame writing.
I’m questioning that other anon’s statement about her morality. Elsa demonstratively is thinking about herself and her anxieties constantly while shutting people out even when they’re trying to tell her that her means of ‘saving’ people is actually hurting them. Her sister becomes directly victimized from Elsa’s actions. And the most egregious issue is that Elsa doesn’t have some epiphany or moment until her sister practically dies trying to save her after everything she’s done. In fact when informed by Hans her sister was missing (because of her) and for the kingdom she needed to stop the winter and could not her solution was once again to run away from responsibility and consequences.
Ultimately Anna was the heroine of the story for her messiah-level forgiveness and protection of her sister despite how she was treated and left in the dark for a majority of her life and Elsa is the villain, a passive villain who’s saved with forgiveness and love but still a villain who in any other context wouldn’t be portrayed so sympathetically for the damage done. That anyone finds Elsa empowering says a lot about what people think about the things she struggled with, that trauma and anxieties can forgive the suffering you put people through either emotionally or physically because you had a good reason to be like that so people should be more understanding and patient.
Before Frozen Ariel was my least favorite girl targeted Princess type character for similar instances of inward selfishness and a magic ticket to get everything she wants in the end but Elsa I find even a level beyond frustrating in her idolatry.
Well said. Frozen is frankly bizarre in how little accountability Elsa has; she’s the cause of 95% bad things happening in the movie, yet she’s not asked to take responsibility for any of them. She’s the elder sister and the future monarch, yet everybody is okay with her playing a NEET in her room and wallowing in self-pity for more than a decade. She does not try to actually learn how to control her powers; when “conceal, don’t feel” doesn’t work, she just goes “welp, I’ve tried nothing and I’m all out of ideas” and goes to feel sorry for herself some more rather than trying something else. When she freezes her country, her first (or even tenth) thought isn’t how to fix the mess, but to get rid of the people bearing the bad news. Thorough the movie she’s singularly selfish and self-absorbed like any Disney villain, but the story never acknowledges this. She’s the very opposite of an empowering character; she does nothing but run away until other people fix her messes and problems for her.
On that note, the whole Let Go sequence people love so much is also fricking weird when you think about it for more than two seconds. Elsa triumphantly liberates herself from being an anxious shut-in in a castle to… become a differently dressed anxious shut-in in a different castle. Literally nothing changes and Elsa doesn’t grow a single inch as a person there, yet the movie acts like it’s some seminal groundbreaking moment for her character. It’s baffling.
>On that note, the whole Let Go sequence people love so much is also fricking weird when you think about it for more than two seconds. Elsa triumphantly liberates herself from being an anxious shut-in in a castle to… become a differently dressed anxious shut-in in a different castle
It is a irony
IT'S LIKE RAAAAIIIIINNN ON YOUR WEDDING DAY!
There's a reason Elsa is portrayed as a neet in modern day AUs
LIKE A FREE RIIIIDE WHEN YOU'VE ALREADY PAID!
Let it Go is a villain song.
>she does nothing but run away until other people fix her messes and problems for her.
Sounds like humanity summed in a sentence.
Let it go was written when Elsa was originally a villain. It was originally a "frick all those people" song, and afterwards it would follow the Snow Queen and she'd kidnap the prince with Elsa going to rescue him. She still got redeemed in the original story (villain was the Duke of Weaselton who'd orchestrated a load of things)
After they tested the song, they realised it was too good 'just' for an antagonist and removed any traces of Elsa being a villain or anti-hero. They really rushed Frozen, there are a bunch of rendering mistakes (misaligned textures especially) that made it to the cinematic cut because it was so rushed. It was sheer luck it turned out well.
>Well said. Frozen is frankly bizarre in how little accountability Elsa
It would be fine if they'd just kept it that Elsa and Anna's parents were shit at dealing with Elsa's issues and knowingly played into her insecurities out of what they thought was best. But the sequel ends up retconning that and trying to portray them as good parents, even though they let her stay locked up in her room for years, yet somehow still expected her to take over for them in case of emergency.
>Let It Go was the most popular song
>The villain song is always the best
Gee, I wonder...
Asa in Chainsawman
>Elsa in Frozen
Overall the movie doesn't seem committed to anything. Like they're using 3D for it but slapping filters in an attempt at giving the illusion of 2D. They want to go back to having a clear cut villain but the worst thing he does is not grant everyone's wish, something that most people would understand to be a reasonable thing.
It's held hostage by wanting to appeal to everyone but ultimately coming off as not appealing to anyone.
This was going to be posted in the other thread but it 404'd before I could post it so now it's here.
>the worst thing he does is not grant everyone's wish, something that most people would understand to be a reasonable thing.
I know most anons are just going by what other anons are saying but this is just plain wrong. The reason why Magnifico is bad is because he is not only taking people's wishes but also taking their memories of having those wishes. He is essentially robbing people's aspirations and then granting one of them a month while keeping countless others for himself. The reason he does this is because 1. He wants to keep people subservient to him and 2. People's wishes and memories fuel his sorcery.
So no, he does much worse things than just not granting people's selfish wishes. All it takes is a google search anon, cmon.
>The reason why Magnifico is bad is because he is not only taking people's wishes but also taking their memories of having those wishes
Literally the entire kingdom knows this will happen if they give him their wishes yet they all happily consent and do it anyway. They know they are essentially entering a lottery and he grants very few wishes per year. This is mentioned multiple times in the movie. The citizenry of Rosas just comes off as lazy bums who would rather have a .01% chance of instant gratification some day instead of actually working for their dreams.
They do not know they are giving up all their aspirations tho. All they know is that giving their wishes to Magnifico means they have a chance at having them granted, not that they will lose their memories along with it.
Isn't Asha aware of her grandfather loss of memory?
Yeah, because Magnifico unknowingly reveals to her during an argument that he is stealing memories. Nobody else knows, that is why her family doesnt believe her when she tried to tell them
>Nobody else knows, that is why her family doesnt believe her when she tried to tell them
That wasn't the point of the argument. Grandpa got sad because Asha said his wish would never be granted. He and the mom both refuse to let Asha tell them what it is, they were already at peace with being ignorant about it. In the peppy "Welcome to Rosas" song Asha says "you don't even miss your wish when you say goodbye" alluding to the memory loss. Asha's gang of the Seven Diverse Individuals make fun of Simon because his personality got more boring after the memory wipe; they're all very casual about how this voluntary ceremony apparently alters your brain chemistry.
>"you don't even miss your wish when you say goodbye"
That is just intended to be foreshadowing but the citizens simply mean it as giving their wish and probably think that they are just growing out of them.
>Asha's gang of the Seven Diverse Individuals make fun of Simon because his personality got more boring after the memory wipe; they're all very casual about how this voluntary ceremony apparently alters your brain chemistry.
Right, they dont understand that they are literally being memory wiped. They just think it is a coming of age ritual where you mature after giving up your wish. Thats why they do it at 18.
>Asha and her gang of the Seven Diverse make fun of Simon
>Simon ending up betraying them at the climax of the movie
>Asha become confused, "Why did you betrayed us?"
Simon wouldn't betrayed them if they didn't made fun of him.
This situation can be interpreted as "growing up sucks, stay as a manchild forever".
They even have Simon apologize and blame it all on Magnifico. None of the friends apologize to him for being crummy friends.
>Yeah, because Magnifico unknowingly reveals to her during an argument that he is stealing memories. Nobody else knows
This logistically speaking cannot fricking possibly be true just because it would be impossible to hide. Imagine your family member or friend spends their whole lives talking about how they want to be a great piano player. They write about it in their diary and shit. They have all sorts of stuff related to the craft like sheet music/etc. in their home. Then when they turn 18 they give that wish to Magnifico in a ceremony. And when the people around them ask "Hey are you excited about that piano wish potentially be granted?" the person goes "Lol wut is that?" Everyone else around them is going to notice.
The literal dialogue from the scene in question:
>You've missed the point. People give their wishes to me willingly because the journey is too hard and too unfair to make it come true themselves. And in return, I make them forget everything. All their worries.
>You... you make them forget the most beautiful part of themselves? That's not fair! They're losing the most important part of their heart and nobody knows. They don't know what they're missing. But you do! And now I do!
QED. They don't know about the memory wipe. There's just a vague awareness people seem different post-ceremony.
The only way it works is that everyone forgets about their wish. No way you wouldn't get people discussing their wish before then being asked about it afterwards and people finding it weird they no longer give a shit about it.
And what happens if they're wishing for a cure for a dying relative. Are they just all "who the frick cares if you die?" afterwards?
It’s as if giving your soul to God makes you forget your old ways. Asha is like “they don’t know what they are missing” when people outside religion, especially the ex-religious people are mostly feel like they were freer to indulge in their own pleasures outside of it. This that phrase in the script. Or I might just be overschizofying the story.
Reminder that Disney is in Burbank California. A lot of gay ppl for sure move there and work for Disney. Also Asha’s va has a girlfriend. They love to make their sexuality their own identity, so when ppl throw away their sexual desires to turn to God, these ppl have hatred towards the religions, especially Christianity. They want to promote new age religions like astrology and Gnosticism etc. that focuses on finding salvation in one’s self. This feels like they project their religious trauma on to their projects just like generational traumas are projected out of spite (turning red) than making a story not about self-serving
But I mean, it’s on-brand with the company, who I shouldn’t expect any less. Experience the Disney Magic…if there is any left!
Gnosticism is older than Christianity
No.
Eh not really. Gnosticism is Christianity in the sense that it contains beliefs from other early Christian sects. The only reason we think of it as "weird" is because that fraud Paul's sect won.
And I'm saying that they clearly didn't think this story beat out even if they tried to wave it away with that line because it still makes absolutely no sense. What are people who diligently keep diaries/journals gonna think when they write one day "Boy I can't wait to give Magnifico my wish to be the world's best Jenga player!" and then the next day after the memory wipe they see that entry?
>"so, you got your wish, you're going to become the best Jenga player in the world tomorrow? The thousands of fans you didn't want to let down will be thrilled!"
>"... wtf is Jenga?"
>not that they will lose their memories along with it.
They do because Asha explicitly b***hes to him about that when the two first meet and it's mentioned a few other times very casually
Asha's family doesnt believe her when she tries to tell them. Why would she even try to tell them if it is common knowledge?
Because it doesn't actually matter till the movie decides oh yeah people should be upset about this.
That seems like a good thing. Like if a person wished to kill someone else, and the king didn't grant it, that person is going to be angrier and might attempt to get his wish by force.
Little Baby Movie:
>You should always follow your dreams!
Smartest Anon:
>What if my dream is to be a Nazi. Checkmate.
I just got out of the movie and it’s pretty mediocre. But this argument is just fricking stupid.
The problem is that the movie acknowledged bad wishes, but never properly addressed them
Well Asha’s proposed refinement was check everyone’s wish if it’s bad stop them and if it’s good grant it. And then returning all the wishes just makes it like the real world and they’ll just deal with it.
He did nothing wrong.
>It's held hostage by wanting to appeal to everyone but ultimately coming off as not appealing to anyone.
That's what Disney gets for abusing the Pander Stone.
>developed body
>susceptible mind
Isn't this ideal?
I think it's because 10yo are meant to see who they shall become. if there is strategy, it's aiming towards the young.
Ive stopped watching Disney movies decades ago, I feel the older Disney had less details and visual input, but a more charming animation. Now it's the oposite: lots of stimulation with colour, actions, effects, sound effects and whatnot but with a flat animation. And precisely that movement, with different brush strokes which feels to me like reading, its very texturized if you will, gets lost in these productions.
The focus is more on the visuals and the characters fall flat, to kind of balance that out they get all these special effects with raised eyebrow or quirky expressions. Since I cant stand watching it, I have no opinion on it, other that they are as unappealing as a stale stew.
Why do we reward this kind of behavior when insta and tiktok thots do it? We need to understand that 99% of women are biologically predisposed to plug in to whatever all the other women are doing. And they only do it in the first place because no one tells them how moronic they look
>biologically predisposed
lol
Yes. It is a survival mechanism. Same as men being more aggressively competitive.
If a cute 20 year old thot in a bikini does it, it's cute. When Asha and Disney characters do it, it comes across as a try hard "greetings fellow kids" moment.
>wish for something that is otherwise impossible for you to have
>memory wiped so it doesn’t become an obsession if your wish isn’t granted and you can move on with your life
Versus
>wish for something entirely obtainable with hard work but want to take a shortcut
>it obviously wasn’t good enough to try to achieve on your own and therefore not important enough for you to remember
Either way Mags is based.
This! The Wish you enter the lottery just needs to be something that is actually beyond your reach. Then you have a small chance of getting it, and if not, oh well, it was an impossible dream anyway.
Presenting the whole thing as Magnifico "keeping the people under his control" etc. is just stupid, because he is the king. He doesn't need to grant any wishes to have the complete power over everything!
Some of those wishes were fricking embarrassing. Grandpa gave up his wish for like 80 years and what was it? "Write a good song".
At least Wendy knew what was up. She wanted the ability to fly. Give her superpowers.
"I want to be able to fly" is exactly the kind of wish you should submit! That is pretty much impossible to achieve on your own, so you increase your odds by making the wish, and enable yourself to pursue other, more possible, things.
Frick if I was Asha I would be so pissed to learn that shit like damn gramps was just a lazy uncreative butthole who didn't want to put the work in.
I mean, if this movie was clever or actually subversive they could have made a good point about how people have some really dumb aspirations, and it’s not that they’re bad but just they could actually achieve them if they bothered. Like, you could imagine the conversation.
>Whoa-whoa-whoa, you mean your wish this whole time was just to write a song?!
>Mag: You see what I have to deal with?
>Like, not even the best song or being able to sing it, just write a song that makes people go, ah yeah that’s pretty catchy?
>Well, I wanted my wish to be realistic you know?
Asha would've had a stronger argument against the King if she looked at all wishes he was rejecting and theyre were basic, boring shit. Then he'd keep coming up with excuses why they're dangerous.
And then go further with that and show simple wishes that could've be achieved that people completely missed out on because they gave it up when they were young and they're too old to pursue it now.
Like Grandpa's wish should've had been to do something about Asha's dead dad that he made when the dad was alive. Now he's dead and wish is ungrantable, because Magnifico ignored it. That would be good motivation to free all the wishes.
>Asha would've had a stronger argument against the King if she looked at all wishes he was rejecting and theyre were basic, boring shit. Then he'd keep coming up with excuses why they're dangerous.
Yeah, that could have been hilarious.
>This guy just wanted to be taller, how is that dangerous?
>Have you seen how low some of the doorframes are in this kingdom?
This idea is so much funnier while effectively making the villain look like a petty butthole
>This kid only wished for a pair of shoes!
>Then all the other shoeless kids will get jealous and bully him! Do you really want CHILDREN to get BULLIED!
>What's dangerous about being able to fly?
>Trust me kid, flying's great when it's a sunny day but as soon as the weather starts to turn... LIGHTNING BOLT! Not nice...
>Okay, but this girl wanted a jar of candy that never ran out, why can't she have that?
>Two words, obesity and tooth decay
>That's three words.
>So's 'I know best'.
>plot twist: the wish granter can't actually grant wishes and was faking it
>he gave a bunch of petty reasons to not grant them because he didn't want to admit eh couldn't actually grant any wishes
>the ones he did grant weren't magic, he just used his political connections to make them happen
Again, another more interesting idea, and it would give Magnifico a serious reason to get the star.
Contrast Gramps with Asha herself who was taking steps to become the wish-king's apprentice.
>Write a good song
>not the world's song or a perfect song.
>just write a good song.
unfathomably based, why the frick is he the villain again?
yeah, not only is her design mid but there's literally nothing to make of her because of how bland she is. closest we got was a few anons wondering if she'd give good head.
godamnit. why do they keep shooting themselves in the foot, they used to make shit like this all the time and people loved it. disney needs to start sending down tard wranglers to sort this shit out early in production.
this
There's no reason for the memory wipe though, which is stupid. Why are anons advocating so hard for this guy?
Because you're right that there's no reason for the memory wipe, it's a stupid plot element that only exists to make it so Magnifico is doing "something" wrong, and is so poorly implemented that it's failed to convince many.
>Why does Disney keep pandering to the manchildren that will inevitably pop it off to #4 Disney princess with exact personality as Ranpunzel, except even more childish and dumb?
>Why is Disney literally making a white OLD MAN AS A VILLAIN AND TRYING TO MAKE HIM PRETTY AND HANDSOME?
your guess is as good as mine
This shit can't be real
starting to think Disney just doing this to have a non-white fairy godmother. No wonder the teasers/trailers were obsessed about showing them specifically and riding on the other movie's tailcoats.
It is. However it isn't really an origin story for the disney version of the character. She is the fairy godmother, MAgnifico is trapped in a mirror at the end and becomes the magic mirror in snow white, A character named Peter lives in town and he's dressed like peter pan and trying to learn to fly, ect.
Asha is clearly a witch. She summons a supernatural being at night in the forest that helps her kill a legitimate king and she keeps all the magic in the end. Also there's a fricking GOAT following her.
Yeah, sure, a "fairy", frick it.
What's worse: Quirky female protagonists or stoic female protagonists?
There are many reaons why Carol sucks and being stoic is not one of them
I notice that it's sexist to say Larson doesn't smile enough but it's not sexist to say Cavill doesn't smile enough
It's not sexist but definitely out of character for fricking Superman
Yes it is OOC for him, but it isn't for Carol then?
>Anon finds out life is unfair episode 578
Not even bad, just cut and pasted to cliche. Where's the innovation or subversion?
Boring look, bland acting. Boring!
stoic female
Quirky is way fricking worse, an actual Stoic character is 100 times better quirk.
Stoicism is misinterpreted all the fricking time *cough cough* Spock from Star Trek is to blame for this.
Captain Marvel isn't actually Stoic
>Insults people instead of herself
>Isn't humble
>Puts herself before others
>Blames other people for things that are in her control
>Runs away from her problems like causing an entire fricking civil war on the Kree homeworld
Actual Stoic characters are based as frick! I'm not saying the philosophy is based though... it can be based in a kinda' cringe way if you own it but it's still dumb.
What you mean stronk female vs quirky woman and the answer to that is quirky because at least quirky characters have either a personality or take personal responsibility for their frick ups.
Shoot how many stoic ladies are there even? It's a fairly empty playground
Stoicism doesn't appeal to most women for a few reasons
>Stoic circles are male dominated which makes most women uncomfortable (this is the biggest one)
>Most women are outwardly directed and need other people to encourage them
>Most women love to insult people and are passive aggressive as frick so a philosophy which says "no don't do that" will scare them off
I will say though that 90% of Stoics are suck at following their own moral code regardless of gender and a woman with good self discipline and introspection would have no problem being Stoic
>Stoicism is misinterpreted all the fricking time *cough cough* Spock from Star Trek is to blame for this.
Hey, lay off that green-blooded bastard. Spock cries and slaps around women in Star Trek, and he'll occasionally screw up because he expects enemies to act logically instead of emotionally.
>be Spock
>struggle to control your emotions
>STRUGGLE (but be successful)
That's what stoic characters often miss. They're just stoic. If they show emotion, it's as a quiet exhaustion. What made Spock popular was the manpain he brought to the table. Being a cold logical calculator was hard work, but it was important work to him. I blame the misreading on the "repressing is bad" kick from the 1970s.
My parents go out to movies alot and sometimes take me along. They always give me shit about watching violent trash movies and I do want to see Brown Rapunzel somewhat so I suggested it and they said no and kept making comments about how I'm a troony/pedo.
no offense but your parents sound like dickbags, anon
That sounds like bullshit. They act like they post on Cinemaphile.
you know what they say
apple don't fall far from the tree
>and kept making comments about how I'm a troony/pedo.
I feel like you’re omitting details here, and I don’t mean regarding your parents comments. I don’t know, try and hide your power levels a bit better. Sorry to hear that though.
>how I'm a troony/pedo.
Embrace it
kiss
Tiktok
She looks like a less shiny version of Moana with different hair
Most people are shitting on her personality saying they're tired of the quirky princess shit
B-but she is brown and quirky! How come you don't love her?!
They are too scared to make the princesses be younger like how it would have been in real life
Disney is worried that the MC being a kid would make older audiences less likely to watch it and of course all the porn that will be made will
Asha only has only one porn pic
Now imagine what Cinemaphile would have done if she was 10?
We'd be having hateporn threads nonstop
I wonder if it’s true that Gigantic was cancelled because of this
So many people would have had to learn perspective to get that dicky upskirt angles
An anon that worked on the film once posted that the reason the movie was cancelled was because nobody working on the concept could agree on how the story should go. One of these problems was that those working on the film couldn't agree on what the giant girl's personality would be. I remember that the two personalities that were being chosen were a girly girl that was one the good giants or a tomboy that was just as tough as the other giants.
Girly girl and tomboy aren't really mutually exclusive
At least Skydance Animation are making the film now
>a 25 year old trying to act like a 10 year old
that's all of this board
Where is the mega?
up
Autism
All the other classic Disney villains and their movies are so simple and it's easy to get behind why they're the bad guys. Killing puppies is bad. Killing your family is bad. Trying to force a girl to marry you is bad.
Then Magnifico has this vague metaphysical wish shit going. All of his citizens understand the terms and conditions of giving up their wish and the kingdom seems completely happy until Asha gets pissy that her grandpa's wish is being ignored and she decides to stage a coup. And if I'm understanding the spoilers from the audio rip correctly, then Magnifico only used a forbidden magic book that corrupts people and turns them evil after he saw a huge unknown magic light that he believed could pose a threat to the kingdom?
Wait, so this movie doesn't have "the king was actually right, the girl needs to grow up" twist ending? Were /misc/gays actually right that it's a "white man bad" movie with the heroic latinx girl completely in the right? I legit argued against them. Now I feel like a complete moron.
The king is portrayed as completely in the wrong and his good queen wife gives up on saving/redeeming him immediately and sends him to the dungeon for eternity with a smug quip at the end of the movie. Even though it was shown earlier in the film that they had a strong relationship.
The film is so fricked up. Raya was the same way.
>Antagonist is Constantly backstabbing and betraying.
>Dumb dragon keeps going "we just gotta be nice".
>Never actually shown to be right but movie considers them so.
Disney is dogshit now.
Jennifer Lee literally refuses to have female villains. She also likes female protags to have their cake and eat it.
Aside from Vanellope "going turbo" in the second WiR without any consequences there's a weird thing where no female character every gets criticised or directly insulted in the film. At all. Any jokes aimed at a female character are never truely at their expense (Princesses can't understand Scottish accents, an awkward exchange where they need to call Vanellope annoying but can't because that's insulting, so they praise her for being so good as acting annoying). Meanwhile male characters gets criticized, get jokes written about how ugly they are and the film never hesitates to call them awful.
Whole department was fricked putting a one hit wonder in control of everything
She politicked out Lasseter for hugging people too long so she could get his job. She proceeded to destroy Disney animation with no survivors.
This was immediate thought after watching. They make a point to say multiple times that the evil spellbook has like cursed him and made him evil. With the implication that before he was a controlling, egotistical, but ultimately well-intentioned guy.
Then despite all of that his wife just leaves him locked in a mirror for all eternity at the end with a smirk on her face. Which would’ve been fine if he was evil and they didn’t make a big point that he under a curse.
so basically just your typical modern Disney movies that visibly have 8 sloppy rewrites stacked on top of each other.
So the b***h left her husband brainswashed and trapped forever in a magic mirror?
Yeah, maybe /misc/ is right about how this movie is about "white man bad"
A few reviews pointed out that his "evil" turn was jarring and didn't really suit his personality
It really doesn’t, and the audio makes it clear
>Why does Disney do this?
Frozen's Anna sold, and she was basically this. You could say that her immaturity was justified, but that doesn't change the fact she was acting half her age.
She didn't sell, Elsa was the one who sold.
Both were. You'll see tons of merch for both.
Not really. People bought Anna to give Elsa an ensemble. She's an accessory, a Ken.
>Not really. People bought Anna to give El
That's really sad that people remember Anna as merely Elsa's sister rather than the heroine of Frozen. It shows that Disney's writing quality has gone downhill.
I'm still caught up on this line.
"Throw caution to every warning sign."
Am I moronic or is that just gibberish?
Or it's a statement if fact like "all signs point to danger I better use caution tm in this task". Which is a weird thing to explicitly point out.
They're using "throw caution" as short for "throw caution to the wind" in response "to every warning sign".
So it doesnt mean "throw caution at warning signs" it means "throw caution to the wind when you see warning signs". It sounds weird because the "to the wind" part in the full phrase gives direction. So when they use the "to" in this line it sounds like its giving direction as well.
Its referring to how women love to act like they know everything even when its something that will obviously blow up in their face
The phrase is "throw caution to the wind". They butchered the metaphor.
https://thenextweb.com/news/disney-is-using-ai-to-correct-gender-bias-in-its-movies
It was probably auto-corrected too much by GD-IQ, the AI that Disney is using to 'touch up' scripts. Disney has been using it more in recent movies.
Where is the torrent? I specifically requested torrents on the day of early access release? Can the torrents only come from outside the US?
So is Wish officially an even worse movie than Strange World?
I saw that last night on Disney+ out of curiosity and my god was it so mediocre. Only movies I could think of that's worse is Chicken Little and Home on the Range...Disney really needs to get its shit together.
Wish is better than Strange World. If nothing else bc the presence of songs creates some memorable aspects.
Wish is mediocre. Strange World is painfully dull and boring.
What is it about Jennifer Lee's writing background that makes her so bad at it.
White woman syndrome. Thrusting someone from two-time writer/one-time director to the head of an entire animation studio fricks with their ego. She was not at qualified or experienced enough for that position but everyone told her she was so she just keeps trying to do the exact same things over and over again bc that's all she ever knew before being given the top position.
I used to be pretty pissed off that Disney cancelled that Gigantic movie years ago over 'creative differences'.
But now, honestly? I seriously think its for the best for now with the current shitshow going on the quality of their movies and tv shows tanking. For every Loki, we get 10 different piles of shit like Willow and Ralph 2. The frick are they thinking?
Its a good thing this movie will flop. Terrible song and Black person protagonists because America keeps pushing their propaganda that North Africans were black.
This story falls apart in new ways every time I give it another 2 seconds of thought
>in the opening song Asha says that Magnifico grants one wish in a ceremony every month
>that's 12 per year
>in Magnifico's song he said he granted 14 last year which was unusually high
>kingdom has presumedly tens of thousands of people and they all give their wish
>so everyone in the kingdom, including Asha, should know that they're effectively entering a lottery with a ~.00012% or lower chance of winning
>yet despite this Asha somehow only just realizes most wishes will never be granted during her first meeting with Magnifico and acts absolutely flabbergasted
>even though that should be immediately obvious to anyone capable of math
>"Oh King Magnifico, I wish to be good at math!"
>Magnifico immediately destroys wish.
>The bad guy’s plan relies upon no-one knowing basic math
It doesn't even have to be full on math though. A basic numblerless reasoning that there's a shit ton of people making wishes which makes it less likely that my wish would be chosen could happen.
It’s that one episode of Sonic X where everyone except Sonic forgot how the lunar cycle works all over again
Or that ending from Tintin where the *Incas* (or Mayans, IDK) didn't know about solar eclipses.
Rosas doesn’t seem to have compulsory schooling and most people hate math, so I guess it makes some sense if you squint really hard. The wish industry also probably made them lazy.
My little Mirror Demon can't be this cute!
Caesar did nothing wrong.
His clothes are so unmemorable and boring
>25 year old trying to act like a 10 year old
that sums up the modern 25 year old
>Disney execs on suicide watch when this shit gets rekt at the box office by fricking boy band Trolls
had better songs too
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True, black women aren't cute.
I can't help it if execs love my face
It's genetics! Yeah, I bought these genes and I bank on race!
Peep the name, I'm Bob Iger
I put the "I" in "IP merger."
I'm passionate, I'm not petulant!
Writers, praise me for my benevolence!
I'd force you all to do Frozen 4
If that's what they clamour for
I'd be the first one to volunteer... Majors!
If your career were to crumble
Or if you were in trouble
I let you work here for me
And only charge you a little rent
You clean up all my messes
And (my agent's) always there when you need to vent
I give and give and give and give
You'd think they'd all be content
And all I really want is just a little respect
And this is the thanks I get?
This is the thanks I get?
"You're so brilliant!"
Ah, that's the least you could say.
There's more, admit it!
"You're creative, bold, not overpaid!"
Thanks. See Disney? Saved it myself.
And you still complain? Ha! have a nice day!
Mm, are you sure that you're not the prob?
I'd love to see AI take your job, oh-ho!
I cancelled fourteen projects last year
Come on, that's a low percent!
And now you're questioning Big Bob?
The disrespect I just underwent
You know I always got your back
Yeah, really though, it's all fine
From the day you were born and the contract was signed
And this is the thanks I get?
This is the thanks I get?
I didn't wanna do this
I swore I'd never do this
But I'm hypnotized by how these movies flop
'Cause I refuse to have my share price drop
AI, write-offs, live-action remake crap?
Anything to get our money back!
Against Chapek, I don't wanna be measured, but
Desperate times call for desperate measures
Reviews for Wish aren't going well
And still I remain unbent
Come out critics, explain yourself
I'm sure it's all just an accident
Well, whoever pays them off first
Now, that's a promotion well spent
Honestly, keeping me safe should be worth every cent
And this is the thanks I get?
Oh, this is the thanks I get?!
They get that kawaii culture is a thing but forget that your characters actually need to be kawaii for it to work. You can't have some ugly Tangledfaced muttstrosity acting like that and expect it to work.
>ugly Tangledfaced muttstrosity
jesus christ anon at least hide your racism a little better
I can't help it if execs love my face
It's genetics! Yeah, I bought these genes and I bank on race!
Peep the name, I'm Bob Iger
I put the "I" in "IP merger."
I'm passionate, I'm not petulant!
Writers, praise me for my benevolence!
I'd force you all to do Frozen 4
If that's what they clamour for
I'd be the first one to volunteer... Majors!
If your career were to crumble
Or if you were in trouble
I let you work here for me
And only charge you a little rent
You clean up all my messes
And (my agent's) always there when you need to vent
I give and give and give and give
You'd think they'd all be content
And all I really want is just a little respect
And this is the thanks I get?
This is the thanks I get?
"You're so brilliant!"
Ah, that's the least you could say.
There's more, admit it!
"You're creative, bold, not overpaid!"
Thanks. See Disney? Saved it myself.
And you still complain? Ha! have a nice day!
Mm, are you sure that you're not the prob?
I'd love to see AI take your job, oh-ho!
I cancelled fourteen projects last year
Come on, that's a low percent!
And now you're questioning Big Bob?
The disrespect I just underwent
You know I always got your back
Yeah, really though, it's all fine
From the day you were born and the contract was signed
And this is the thanks I get?
This is the thanks I get?
I didn't wanna do this
I swore I'd never do this
But I'm hypnotized by how these movies flop
'Cause I refuse to have my share price drop
AI, write-offs, live-action remake crap?
Anything to get our money back!
Against Chapek, I don't wanna be measured, but
Desperate times call for desperate measures
Reviews for Wish aren't going well
And still I remain unbent
Come out critics, explain yourself
I'm sure it's all just an accident
Well, whoever pays them off first
Now, that's a promotion well spent
Honestly, keeping me safe should be worth every cent
And this is the thanks I get?
Oh, this is the thanks I get?!
You would frick her don't lie
I'd frick Magnifico anon get it right
Get in line
I'd frick the goat first
I was really hoping that as a joke, the wishing star gave him a hot lady voice.
>only article of clothing has a butt flap that opens down
>twerk scene
They may just have been expecting that, mohammed
WHY DID NOBODY RECORD THE MOVIE LAST NIGHT
I remember seeing this being hyped up more than a year ago, some thinking it would save Disney.
It looks so generic.
Well for one, most people were thinking Asha was gonna be a return to more graceful elegant type of Disney protags like the classic princesses. That goodwill died when people figured out she was another Rapunzel knockoff
They initially marketed like a return to classic Disney storytelling but it turns out it's more cookie cutter shit starring adorkable minority rapunzel reskin #6
>supposed to be spanish
>drawn as sub saharan african
We wuz Beanz an sheet
I’d say names like Henry make it abundantly clear that Rosas isn’t Spain.
Its not Spain! the garden of Eden! Magnifico is Yaldaboath, Asha is Eve, Star is Lucifer, and Amaya is Sofia. Asha got kicked out because she rebelled and wished upon a star during “This Wish” ON THE TREE OF GOOD/EVIL. Her parents were punished because of her actions and fled to the island.
The ending is Magnifico trapped in his prison of his own making. While Asha and the Seven dwarves realized themselves that they have divine sparks in them (made of stars) to be able to save themselves through gnosis from Magnifico/Yaldaboath’s prison so they all sing together. Asha becomes gains Christ consciousness at the end of the movie with Star/Lucifer giving her a magic wand. Another interpretation is that Asha was Maitreya the whole and it is her journey to becoming an ascended master and “saving” everyone. But I like my theory of Asha being Eve/a Christ (not Jesus Christ, a Christos)
Way to celebrate 100th years with Walt Disney, the Demolay! (Knights Templar and Freemasonry are heavily intertwined)
I also theorize that a “wish” is a soul. Giving your soul to God also is also abandoning sinful ways and self indulgences for good. Magnifico revives these wishes and answers some of people’s prayers. Asha instead, when wishing on star, has similarities to selling her soul to the devil/Lucifer, Star after all, FELL to earth to help her wish, and stars are also are metaphors for angels. So… she’s basically wishing on a fallen Angel. No wonder they had to dehumanize star to a blob, the allegory would be too obvious.
I may be going a little overboard, but also there are certain articles that think that the seven dwarves are the seven deadly sins? Hmm
kino
She's supposed to be spanish? Oy. She looks like a generic lightskinned black girl with hair no european, spanish or asian girl is going to bother to replicate for Halloween or cosplay. Funny how Rapunzel also came out wearing a purple dress but Asha looks like shit.
She's supposed to be a Spanish Moor but according to her artbook her mom comes from a subsaharran african tribe for some reason.
She's a Moop
>ugly design
>commoner and not a princess
>lame tryhard personality
>looks nothing like a Moor or a Spaniard
the character appeals to no one.
Moopy doopy doo!
Asha's mother was probably raped or sold.
autistic girls>quirky girls
even the jungle girl from TD is more likeable
Izzy 100% fakes her stupidity and autism. She's a sociopath that uses Owen for her own means. She did totally frick him though.
Guarantee the woman she's modelled after is just as immature, and wanted to see herself onscreen as a self-insert. Every time.
>Why does Disney do this?
Look at their writers lmao
Who is responsible for writing this mess? Jennifer Lee?
>Asha just looks like a 25 year old trying to act like a 10 year old. Why does Disney do this?
Because many of their current year writers are physically 25 but mentally 10; self-insert.
how many more embarrassing flops until Disney finally goes under? they haven't had a hit since... 2021 with Encanto
Encanto wasn't even a real it. It was heavily astroturfed but wasn't popular and didn't make money.
This. And now they're sandwiching Bruno with Frozen for their Disney on Ice shit. Taking something unpopular and putting it with what makes the most money to try and cross contaminate. Imagine if they had just made Encanto GOOD instead. And Isabela the main character. God, that girl is gorgeous.
Disney is too big to fail. Even if the movies crash and burn, they'll still make bank from merch sales and the parks
I’m sorry it’s the Moops.
A+ joke anon
Wait- are Asha's 7 diverse friends meant to be the 7 dwarfs? How did they become the 7 dwarfs? Are the 7 bandits in Zegler Snow White meant to be the same morons in Asha's friend group?
A reference.
How does that work? Asha has 7 moronic friends who aren't dwarfs, but it's somehow meant to reference 7 dwarfs from the snow white cartoon?
>but it's somehow meant to reference 7 dwarfs from the snow white cartoon?
Yes, I can’t tell who is who from their personalities
Their costumes are the tell, which is stupid.
So does Asha transform her moronic friends in to dwarfs, or are the 7 dwarfs in snow white reincarnation of her diversity tard squad?
Paperman came out TEN years ago why the frick can't they do stylized cgi as good as something they already figured out?
I'd argue that being black and white helps a fair bit.
Feast also used the Paperman tech with color.
Surely with 10 years of cgi advancement they'd be able to pull off a feature film with it by now.
I think Wish is probably the result of 10 layers of exec notes and ""suggestions"" leading to an identity-less mess that Wish is rendered in.
Feast in motion looks very much like a stylized 3d film.
Feast probably doesn't pull off the level of detail they wanted for a feature film. They probably want bombastic scenes of texture and color and couldn't get it to work with exactly Feast's art direction. You'll notice all the backgrounds in that short are basically blurred out-- probably because they're so low-detail and treated with little importance. You can't really cheat THAT much in a 90-min movie by having all the backgrounds blurred.
Because they spend more time going back to the drawing board to appease suits than actually creating finished animation with full quality renders
Isn't the Disney animator violating his nda to say this? Why are executives so desperate to meddle? Is it all esg related?
I mean if the source is to remain anonymous in the article Didney can't prove who violated the NDA
>Why are executives so desperate to meddle?
Half idea guys with too much power who think they can do better than the people working on it, half soulless money focused corporate zombies who think the changes they demand will lead to profit.
They can but choose not to. Arcane is what peak western animation looks like
Because the movies aimed at 10 year olds.
In the millions years It doesn't work... This shit Disney cartoon.
and why Elsa and Rapunzel did work because she is properly While Aryan European Princess.
man wait until you meet a 25 year old women, they're tragically just like that
All you anons are thinking about this the wrong way.
Imagine a roomful of women all who want to be more specialer than the next woman, trying to come up with a movie premise and to be lauded on Twitter at the same time. This is the result.
You might as well ask what the societal implications are for Johnny Test, that's how cynical this operation really is.
Why didn't they make her disabled and lgbtq?
I'm gonna go found Zootopia!
>Disney loves China so much they named their latest movie after a Chinese dropshipping website
I think Rapunzel (dark variant) is cute and I wish my pp was in her mouth while she did that.
If John K's blog was still critiquing new releases I'm sure the one for this frame would be hilarious. It's amazing how 3D models don't prevent the anatomy from being bad
anyone here who watched the movie? I have a genuine question: Is it possible that this movie is the one disney movie witht he worst moral to it ever?
Because even if it is not the worst one plotwise (Chicken Little anyone?), I get the feeling the unintentional moral of the movie is "You are inclined to get everything you wish for fullfilled in life, even if it is arbitary. And don't worry, no need to put any effort into it, cause if you are sure of your intention, some magic intervention, will give you the edge that you need"
Which, if true... well, congratulations, Disney. You just shat even on Walt Disney himself and missed the point of every movie, even the most fairy tale ones.
Worst moral?
Gotta be Raya.
Yes I am the guy from the other thread.
Have to agree with the other anon, Raya's probably got the worst moral of them all. This one's is dogshit, though. Just not as dogshit as Raya's.
Okay yeah, Raya's moral is bad, certian other aspects of the movie are better though. The entire "forgive everyone" shit to me felt symptomatic of someone consuming too much Steven Universe.
I am however honestly baffled at the "moral" or whatever Wish tries to teach. I mean, the basic idea that wishes/dreams/hopes are important and can be a driving force for people to better themselves and their lives/the lives of others, is a great moral in a way.
Similiarly we have a vast pool of other stories in folklore, movie, books and so on about the nature of wishes and also the "darker" side to them. You know, monkey paw situations, be careful what you wish for, the difference between what a person wants and what they need.
I just feel that Wish as a movie is stumbling upon any of these things in the worst possible way, to the point I can point at random episodes of "Fairly Oddparents" and say "that has a better wish related plot and moral than your shit"
You could say the moral is… wishy washy.
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The problem is that Magnifico is arbitrarily preventing people at following their dreams. It's a little messy at the end with Asha getting a wand, but the movie ends 30 seconds later.
I think it is not just that. The other problem I see is, that Asha doesn't make a decent case for other people too. Like she herself states "you know, bad wishes can be prevented and policed too"
so basically what Magnifico does, only with a lighter shade of gray?
Asha is saying bad wishes can be stopped after giving back the person's wish-soul. Like if someone has a "Hitler Wish" they can give it back and put them under house arrest. The entire concept is very messily executed either way, but Asha wants all wishes that won't be granted to return to people, so that people have the chance to achieve themselves. That's difference between her and Magnifico.
>>The problem is that Magnifico is arbitrarily preventing people at following their dreams.
No, he isn't. They voluntarily give them up in hope he will resolve it for them. He's not forcing them to give him their wishes. They do so voluntarily and with full knowledge that most aren't granted.
>Asha just looks like a 25 year old trying to act like a 10 year old.
HOLY KAWAII
I was considering going to see this when it came out
Now I'm reconsidering
I'm still going to see it since I have a free Regal ticket that needs to be used, and the Regal next to me has like Atmos-tier sound for their standard auditoriums
I mean if you want to see it go ahead and see it. It's short at least and keep in mind I'm pretty sure a few of us who didn't like it only heard the audio that one anon posted of the movie. Maybe the visuals help sell the story better.
Outside of a few songs sequences, the visuals are honestly some of most bland in a Disney movie. The filter either adds nothing or makes it look worse at time. And the city itself is so empty it feels unfinished. There are a few pretty shots, such as Asha's tree with the night sky, but they're rare and everything in between is visually boring.
I’m intentionally seeing this on Tuesday because tickets are discounted at AMC. I figured if it’s bad, at least I didn’t waste too much money on it. Literally only $6 a ticket
Here is an idea for an alternate plot of Wish I had, taking some of the shapeshifter tween design into account and making Magnifico more of a villain.
>The Kingdom of Rosa is a prosperous kingdom, falling on hard times currently after certain natural disasters have destroyed multiple crops
>Asha is a young woman helping in town with reparations, selling food, distributing rations and other stuff, in general wanting to help others and make life a bit happier for them, feeling like she can do more.
>Enter a travelling sorcerer called Maginifico, who claims he is here to help the kingdom, as he has the powers to fullfill everyones deepest desires and wishes.
>People initially don't trust him, but after he manages to fullfill all sort of wishes like some sort of genie conman, he gains more and more popularity
>Asha, blindsided by how he makes everyone surface level happy, wants to join him, become his apprentice/intern/secretary.
>through that soon realizes, Magnifico is essentially "selling" his powers to others and not helping everyone, deciding who deserves to be happy and not.
>Feeling this is unfair, she quits working for him, especially after some "wish performance" that goes sideways in part because of something Asha does, resulting in the destruction of the set
>Later that night, Asha wishes upon a star for something to change, only to slip up a hill and lose conscious
>When she awakens, she is greeted by "Lux" the movies equivalent to the star, based more on the pitch drafts of a shapeshifting young man.
>Thinking Lux is THE wishing star himself, she befriends him and soon learns, he has magic powers.
>Lux himself suffers from some sort of amnesia and doesn't know where he is from, but he knows he has powers and that Asha "called" upon him and he wants to help her.
>Asha, teaming up with Lux, turns into a "vigilante" like character, who uses the power of the wishing star to grand other unlucky citizens of Rosa their wishes.
Becoming something of a "fairy godmother" this way, Asha becomes beloved and adored by others, hated by Magnifico who sees her as a threat.
>Thigns turn soon south though, when Asha realizes that granting every wish kinda creates problems too. some wishes backfiring on those who made them in the long run, others not feeling genuinely fullfilled by having things handed to them and so on. In addition, Asha learns that using the magic drains Lux of his lifeforce.
>Not knowing what to do, she tries to ask Magnifico for help as he seems to know more about that sort of magic in general and she wants to save her friend.
>Magnifico turns on her, revealing the following: Lux is actually part of a group of celestial beings, Magnifico, in reality hundreds of years old, enslaved centuries ago when they crashed with a meteor on earth. He has trapped their forms in crystals that he uses as decoration and has used their magic to fullfill every wish he was ever asked for, creating the image of a grat sorcerer for himself, while also constantly having them fullfill a wish of immortality for him.
>Lux was a prisoner too, but when the stage show occured, he was accidentally freed from a broken crystal
>Magnifico actually plans to use his new popularity with the people to convince the ruler of Rosa to make a very specific wish to him, that he can then "interpret" in such a manner, that it will destroy the kingdom but recharge Magnificos magic powers, as the life force of the "star children" is quite at a low.
>For the finale, Asha has to fight Magnifico without her powers, only added by her human friends and later Lux almost sacrificing himself for her, all while at the queen of Rosa's court.
>Magnifico is revealed as the evil being he is and dies when Asha makes a "selfless" wish, willing to sacrifice her own life if it means to free the other star children.
>Asha dies, but is brought back to life by her grandfather -side character in the story who has always been rather critical of Magnifico and later on the "fairy godmother" as he knows the value of working for your goals- who with Lux help uses a "wish", sacrificing his own life in the process, but not before he and her have a final farewell, grandpa "dying" and becoming a star child himself in an act of kindness by Lux/him interpreting the wish in such a way, that gramps still is there some way
>The star children leave for outer space again, though as thanks for saving them, they in turn decide to- in an act of kindness- assure that the soil of Rosa is fertile once more.
>movie ends with Rosa prospering once more, this time though with the people working closer together again and people trying and supporting each other to achieve their individual dreams and wishes in life
Welp, guess traditional animation + 3D is dead on arrival. Good bye 2D anything, hello Aislop forever and ever.
It is 55% now over RT
Strange World is a worse movie, but I still want this to see this go lower.
>55 RT aggregate
>43% / 5.2 Top Critics
>50 MC
I like how it's not even divisive. Everybody just agrees it's deeply mediocre in every way.
I’ve been hearing this movie is just one big easter egg hunt. That true?
Yeah, it's really fun, try to spot these for example.
Does Asha's diversity friend crew correspond with these antifa imbeciles? Disney must be pissed that their planned mass crossover event is getting mocked and shit on before they even officially launch it.
Why does this movie look like a PS2 cutscene
Because they tried for a stylistic approach but didn't alter the animation at all to accommodate it. Ends up looking like a cel shaded game.
STOP WITH THE FAKE 2D IT LOOKS LIKE SHIT
JUST HAVE 2D ANIMATION IF YOU WANT 2D JESUS CHRIST
You are all incels!
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I don't like her freckles. I just really truly don't. Looks like someone bent over, goast'd their cheeks open and spray farted directly onto her face and she didn't bother to clean the shit flecks off. Freckles are so fricking obnoxious when they're overloaded like that instead of being a light smattering that you can pleasantly surprised by upon closer inspection.