So I watched this last night. It’s actually pretty good until…
>get to the part where she’s going to board that spirit train
>”woah I wonder how the story will go now! I hope there’s atleast another hou-“
>it’s 20min remaining
>”well they may be able to conclude it just fine in twenty mi-“
>it’s one of the most rushed, nonsensical conclusions I’ve seen from a well-regarded movie
>the twin that just tried to kill her earlier is now a sweet granny
>No-Face was actually a useless Darth Maul-like character literally only made for filler. You could delete every single scene of him and the movie would be the same
>the whole backstory of Haku just gets panned so artificially:” OH THIS MOMENT THAT WAS BARELY HINTED BEFORE IN THE STORY WAS REALLY YOU OMG SO SWEET UWUUUU”
>then she gets her parents and the movie ends so abruptly
>Sen(whatever her real name is) doesn’t actually show that she learned much either from this whole ordeal and seems like almost the same person as she steps out of the tunnel. You may argue that she realized how important her parents were but I couldn’t tell that she detested her parents, just that she wasn’t happy of moving. And that part of the plot is never really resolved either. She still has to move
Did they run out of budget or something like Evangelion? That’s my only explanation for this mess
Yeah I think this and Princess Mononke are way overrated for these reasons
Kikis Delivery Service is the best Miyazaki film, it's relatable and to the point
These movies are not for you, you're not a Japanese child, you're a baka gaijin neckbeard that needs to have his fat neurons activated by superheroes saying catchphrases and making references every 5 seconds.
I'm tied between kikis and porco rosso
I actually think princess mononoke is solid even throughout the final sections and wrapped up pretty good
Mononoke is cucked.
>NOOOO YOU CAN'T TAKE REVENGE ON MONSTROUS PEOPLE WHO HAVE WRONGED YOU SEVENTEEN TIMES OVER, BECAUSE... YOU JUST CAN'T!
I'll say that when Ashitaka is talking to Jigo and says
>I was wrong to fight in that battle. Two men are dead because of me
It always seemed stupid because he killed the first one to save a woman's life, and the second one was in self-defense. But everything else, it's not that you can't take revenge, it's that it was a fruitless endeavor.
>Moro: You cannot win against the humans. Their guns will destroy you all.
You'll notice that Moro didn't force anyone not to fight, in fact she didn't partake in the battle because she was waiting for the opportunity to strike Lady Eboshi.
>But everything else, it's not that you can't take revenge, it's that it was a fruitless endeavor.
That doesn't hold water when the foiled assassination of Eboshi directly leads to the destruction of every supernatural denizen of the forest.
Ultimately it swings around to might makes right. Moro tried to kill Eboshi on the cliffside pass, but she was shot and burned so she failed. San got shot at when descending the roof of the irontown forge and was incapacitated as a result. San only survives the ordeal because Ashitaka intervenes.
>directly leads to the destruction of every supernatural denizen of the forest.
Okkoto and his boars came from far away to war against Eboshi. They didn't have to.
I'm not saying people shouldn't defend themselves, absolutely not, but I've always been of the opinion that Princess Mononoke is a lament and fantasy of human progress. It was truth that everyone believed in the divine, of something greater. But industrialization led to the general populace losing that faith in divinity, just like industrialization leads to humans literally killing a god in Princess Mononoke. The fantasy part comes in when the characters are given a second chance to take care of the forest.
Pom Poko has a similar bit if you've seen it, and it's more in your face about this.
>We're no match for the humans after all
after some characters are killed by them.
Ashitaka is the cuck here who facilitates the ensuing ruin.
>knows the unrepentant Eboshi is the reason his village was threatened and his life imperilled by the curse
>knows she's in conflict (which she started) with the forest spirit that can heal him
>hinders San's assassination of Eboshi instead of helping her remove an incompetent warmongering >woman >in >charge because he's a faux-graceful softboy aligned with Miyazaki's stunted worldview
The worst part is Ashitaka never suffers for being an enabling homosexual.
There's nothing wrong with the themes you mention but how they were conveyed along the way was frustrating.
Ashitaka is an idealist, and I can see why that bothers you, but he tried his best to keep everyone alive while navigating his own mortality. There's no contesting that if Ashitaka had picked a side, the forest of Eboshi, whichever side he picked would have won. But how could he condemn the people of irontown to death after taking them in and feeding him? How could he condemn the forest to death after they saved his life? He says at one point
>What I want is for the forest and the humans to live in peace!
But that was always an impossibility. It works for me, but I wonder how he could have been written to be less frustrating for you while keeping him directly out of the conflict between characters he likes.
Frick me
>the forest or Eboshi
>after taking him in and feeding him
Eboshi personally wasn't vital to the survival of the town, but she was vital to the instigation of every crime and crisis. You could solve the issue by just making her less of a canker.
Saying all this, I don't doubt Miyazaki intentionally wrote the industrial faction to be less sympathetic and more audience-aggrieving for the sake of giving impressionable kids militant environmentalist ideas.
>Eboshi personally wasn't vital to the survival of the town, but she was vital to the instigation of every crime and crisis.
You're a fool if you think so. If she had been killed, would the town just decide not to retaliate? Of course not.
The whole point of her being so useful is because she came with the knowledge of making guns and transformed the town from a village of outcast farmers to a thriving industrial hub by mining the iron. She was also doing this in order to further her own ambition and to lift the "curse" on San.
>relatable
what parent sends their 13 year old daughter to another state/country to get a job
Relatable my ass
Overrated as frick for everything you said, yes.
Mononoke is kino I'll fight you.
Mononoke is even more overrated
That's it. Put em up.
Miyazaki movies tend to fall apart in the third act, Howl's Moving Castle is the worst example of this.
The third act of Nausicaa is kino
Tje manga mogs the anime so hatd is not even funny
Watch Ponyo homosexual moron idiot b***h SPOOK
no
I just watched Howl's Moving Castle last week, ignoring the rest of the movie that’s a complete mess, the last 5 minutes destroy the entire film. The happy ending being because of the scarecrow getting turned back into normal and the evil witch just saying “alright let’s end the war then” makes no fricking sense at all
>Too moronic to realize that Suliman wasn't good or evil, just a powerful court wizard in service to one of the two combatants
>The entire war was based on a misunderstanding involving the disappearance of the crown prince, who turned out to be Turnip the whole time. Therefore there was no reason to continue the war
It struggles a bit because it's based on book 1 in a trilogy, but your criticisms are moronic.
>LE HECKING MISUNDERSTANDING THAT KILLED 6 GORILLION PEOPLE LOL
CRINGE
ANIME == troony ANIMATION
>An avowed pacifist makes a movie about how wars are costly, stupid and destructive
>Doesn't realize this basic lesson
You're somehow too stupid to understand the media you hate.
>it's based on book 1 in a trilogy
It's based on the book up to a about half way through and then suddenly turns into a completely different story by turning the witch into a joke and replacing her with a war that's barely even present in the book. Miyazaki just can't seem to resist shoving anti-war stuff into everything, and turning evil witches into nice old ladies for some reason.
Everything other than Nausicaa and Monoke is very atmospheric, it is unnatural for them to end. I want them to go on forever.
>Howl's Moving Castle
That was comical. And as others have stated: Mononoke was like 30 minutes too long.
What makes them Iconic is the music
Wasn't howl's an adaption?
It deviates so much from the book it's based on that it's almost an entirely different story. Sophie has magical abilities, and Howl is from our world (a 1980's Welsh mining town).
How's Moving Castle is a mess in the third act but none of the others movie are like that.
I don't remember much of the Moving castle plot but I do remember ending up angry at the FMC.
Miyazaki doesn't actually write a script. He kind of just goes into it and edits it into a coherent story at the end. That's why you end up with some awful third acts and subplots that are rushed.
Everyone in Japan does that shit, almost every manga in existence writes the story as it goes
This why GODA clears.
Oda always knew what the One Piece is and all the answers to his biggest mysteries but it's not as well planned out as people want to believe. The Seven Warlords and especially the worst generation were never planned and probably at least doubled the length of the manga.
But for manga it makes sense. You make it weekly, you take years to finish it, hundreds of chapters, you can't account for everything since the beginning.
In a movie instead you only have 2 hours and that's it, you need to plan it properly.
I realized last year when I was doing game mastering for my role-playing group that I have been poisoned by Japanese storytelling beats and tropes, because of my childhood playing JRPGs and reading manga, I don't know how to end things without a giant biomonster or demonic God coming out of nowhere.
I thought it was a pretty good movie, but I see where you are coming from. While I actually like the very end being abrupt how it was, the part leading up to the resolution should have been longer. Like once she figures everything out, it just works, where I think there should have been a bit more of a struggle.
Also while trying to see if there were clips on YouTube to refresh my memory, I saw this weird fricked up edit I thought was kinda funny.
I'm not sure about his writing process, but I know it's all storyboarded, but you might have meant this type of editing happens there. But as animation, every shot has to be planned out before the animation stage.
>where I think there should have been a bit more of a struggle.
Not really, since she and Haku had ample time on the way back to go over the tricks Yubaba might try to pull on her. Not really sure how there could be a struggle either since the deal she made was airtight, and it would only be possible for Chihiro to leave on Yubaba's terms.
>find ur parents
>5 sec thinking
>lol they’re not here
>oh god oh fuk u win
Nice struggle
There wasn't one because it wasn't necessary, moron.
I think you have genuinely have assburgers
Nice bait, you fricking homosexual
I’m sorry, did I just insult your shitty Japanese children’s cartoon?
ANIME IS MADE FOR SMALL 10-YEAR OLD GIRLS.
YOU ARE 30-YEAR OLD OBESE MEN STILL LIVING WITH YOUR PARENTS.
GROW UP
GET A FRICKING JOB
>Too much of a moron to understand a children's movie
>Tard rages when someone points out how you failed to grasp simple concepts and themes
Black person, please. If you're gonna detract from children's media go on Cinemaphile with the rest of the autists,
Your movies are shit. You’re just a homosexual defending their flaws because it’s made in hecking Japan yo!
As Hayao Miyazaki speaking, I don't care if a smelly white pig dislikes my movie.
No, it's a good movie. The part where she survives her first day in the Inn and cried herself to sleep because it was the first time since she arrived that she could let her guard down is very relatable for that age. Like the first time you spent the night at camp or a distant relatives house. It's full of good lessons and useful archetypes for little kids to understand the world.
Sorry I was molested repeatedly as I grew up so I cannot relate
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homie shut your insecure gay miserable shit mouth up, you're the only one being juvenile c**t animation is in fact an artform that can be enjoyed by a 10 year old girl, which means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
You’re a manbabby
Please don't discuss 10 year old girls on Cinemaphile
This is what the average Ghibli hater looks like.
bravo, nolan
i look like this and act like this
Frick all of you
I liked it
from up on poppy hill is their best movie and its not even close.
ponyo second place.
the wind rises third
>every film has to be formulaic dross
>I can't appreciate an ending that doesn't have a big dramatic finale
Marvel brain has ruined Cinemaphile
homie you don’t understand. The problem is how anticlimactic and overly wholesome the finale was. Everything is resolved by a simple train ride and just delivering the thing back.
The train ride was an important scene, but Chihiro had already gained the resolve and the character growth she needed. The Swamp Bottom thing was to save Haku and to help a character she had no actual obligation to helo, but did so anyway out of the kindness of her heart.
>overly wholesome
It's a movie intended for 9-year-olds. You're the same as those Bronies b***hing about the lack of emotional depth found in MLP.
>Everything is resolved by a simple train ride
Based
I love trains
Yes and there's nothing wrong with that. My kids loved it as much as I did when I was a kid.
Yeah it's fricking infuriating. Where was the big battle scene? Where was the unexpected arrival of a hero we thought was lost? Where was the epic showdown between the good guys and the villain?
It's a movie for kids you frickin moron.
Miyazaki's original vision was to have that third hour with the big climax, but no kid is going to commit to sitting still for three hours.
>>it’s 20min remaining
>>”well they may be able to conclude it just fine in twenty mi-“
>>it’s one of the most rushed, nonsensical conclusions I’ve seen from a well-regarded movie
You just described every Studio Ghibli film.
>Sen(whatever her real name is) doesn’t actually show that she learned much either from this whole ordeal and seems like almost the same person as she steps out of the tunnel.
moron
btw porco rosso is miyazaki's best and takahata shits on miyazaki
>btw porco rosso is miyazaki's best and takahata shits on miyazaki
this is true. Miyazaki was more consistent (as in repetitive), but Takahata actually stepped out of his comfort zone and made all kinds of interesting stuff. Even weird movies like Pom Poko or My Neighbors the Yamadas have more soul than any of Miyazaki's snorefests
It's different genres completely. Miyazaki films follow a classic story arc that all good morality tales should have. They are intentionally traditional and predictable. You recognize elements of his stories in all cultures. It would be stupid to go to a Miyazaki film expecting the avant-garde
You're both very, very cool for NOT liking the popular thing, but liking the OTHER thing instead. Very COOL guys the both of you.
have you ever considered NOT being a homosexual?
Luckily we're very cool...WE like the POPULAR thing!
I don't like anime but my real problem with this movie is that 95% of it feels like padding and filler. It stops making any sense very quickly and most of it is just the MC fricking around aimlessly until the plot kicks back in.
>95% of it feels like padding and filler
Cameron is right about plotgays
that is a type of movie and it is a comfy experience when done well
Miyazaki has stated that Chihiro has no memories of the events ever occurring
Because they literally made the story up as they went along.
It's a metaphor for child sex slavery that took place in bathouses. No face is a pedo
>It's a metaphor for child sex slavery that took place in bathouses
>No face is a pedo
You're right on both counts, but the problem is that people will assume that this interpretation is just taking a wholesome kids film and going "ha, what if this innocent thing was actually hecking dark and for adults, like myself", when the point is that the entire film is created by an anti-capitalist and is heavily focused on portraying various kinds of exploitation, and Chihiro is subject to the natural greed and desires of the other characters just like anyone else there.
you are apparently too stupid to understand symbolism and metaphor. Perhaps try a movie more your speed like a bayformers flick.
Your favorite Ghibli girl is now pregnant
Who is it and what do you do?
Why does anime food look so good?
It's a movie for children, I watched it tons of times when I was younger. The animation is too beautiful. His stories revolve around love and that's why I like them.
Spirited away was about a girl getting lost in the spirit world and finding a River god she met as a small girl and haku brought her back to the shore when she drowned. Now that they build houses over the river haku was also lost in the spirit world.
Miyazaki makes movies about family, love, nature and war. If you read a bit about his life you understand how the movies are connected to his life. No doubt ghibli is more beloved among girls because it shows them as real people with actual personalities and it's something girls could relate to. If you try to make sense of his movies you'd have to look at it from a different angle.
>If you read a bit about his life you understand how the movies are connected to his life.
If you read a bit about Miyazaki's life you will promptly be deeply disgusted by the man, actually.
You're either too autistic or not autistic enough
>masterpiece
Anyone who rates a children's movie as a "masterpiece" is a drooling moron. Toy Story 1 is a fun flick for kids, but if you're an adult it's really not very interesting.
There are plenty of good anime movies out there. Only Yesterday is the only thing Ghibli have ever made that's worth watching, Millennium Actress is a love story to cinema, and DYRL is the best anime movie ever made.
>Millennium Actress is a love story to cinema, and DYRL is the best anime movie ever made.
The only drooling moron here is you. DYRL is shlock, wouldn't make top 10 anime films or even a top 5 Ghibli film.
>DYRL is shlock
Same goes for Only Yesterday, it's a movie focused on pandering to nostalgic woman of its time and is much more simple in terms of what it's doing with its themes compared to Spirited Away. Being 'for adults' specifically doesn't make it better in this case.
>Toy Story 1 is a fun flick for kids, but if you're an adult it's really not very interesting.
I would agree, but I just never thought Toy Story 1 was that great, as 2 tops it on every level.
2 is a glorified DTV sequel with more pop culture references and a dance party ending
1 is better
Frick you
This thread is painfully autistic
the movie was released 2 decades ago
you zoomers should commit sudoku
>the twin that just tried to kill her earlier is now a sweet granny
Yes. That they are twins is a way of saying the world that is threatening (the “bad” witch) is also the world that sustains and supports you all along (the “boss” witch). That the world that is the source of your suffering is also the one that forces you to grow up because of it. In more Buddhist terms it’s the unity of the phenomenal and principle, that is of the world as all things, including the bad ones that trouble us, and the world as a perfect manifestation of mind. Figuring out how this world of illusion is also the world of nirvana is a way to frame the most important goal in East Asian Buddhism at least. I recall an interesting, though relatively unknown, jataka tale I heard a scholar share once in which the main character is haunted by an ogre that turns out to have been the Buddha in disguise all along. It was a relatively unknown story but a good parallel to the witch sisters in this movie
>No-Face was actually a useless Darth Maul-like character literally only made for filler.
He is chihiros shadow. He is both greedy and needy, not having a sense of self (the mask with no real face). It’s important that the resolution has chihiro leaving this behind with the witch. If this is not a good enough representation of how to coexist with one’s shadow, keep in mind that chihiro also brings back the fat useless baby/mouse(i.e. animal self) to the bathhouse, after which it stands and speaks
>the whole backstory of Haku just gets panned so artificially
Haku is her animus, the counterpart to the anima for women. Her moment of revelation/enlightenment experience when they fall from the sky brings back memories of when they first met when she was little, that is a sort of return for her to the innocent state of being before becoming a typical shitty normal human. The puer aeternus, or inner child, is the archetype being yanked on here.
I’m not saying everything in the movie is an exact one to one correlation to either Buddhist or jungian ideas, but Miyazaki is at least playing with mythical and psychological meanings in his fairy tale.
>that is a sort of return for her to the innocent state of being before becoming a typical shitty normal human
Watch that idealizing of youth.
I was happier when I was 6 than I am now, homosexual
Hey we both got dubs. Also you were happy as a result of ignorance. If you want to return to that time, just go live in the woods and forget about the rest of the world. There were adults and systems in place by "typical shitty normal humans" that allowed you the happiness of youth. Everything has its place, and idealizing youth in that way is a dark path. To clarify, there are better ways to idealize youth:
>It takes a boy to live, it takes a man to pretend he was there
Where youth is willing to risk to achieve great things, but old age is content to rest on one's laurels. But the blanket statement of young = good and old = shitty is super bad for your mental health and worldview man.
Maybe you’re misrepresenting my own stance by implying I’m saying every kid is perfect or something. I know humans are shitty from a young age, but resolving how the inner child manifests is supposed to be part of psychological maturity, the failure of which is being a manchild and shitty adult. It’s that kind of growing up that Miyazaki is trying to get at it with both chihiro (with her new hair tie) and the fat baby growing up.
Also
At that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Who, then, is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?” 2 He called a little child to him, and placed the child among them. 3 And he said: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
>Maybe you’re misrepresenting my own stance by implying I’m saying every kid is perfect or something
No, you implied it with this:
>memories of when they first met when she was little. that is a sort of return for her to the innocent state of being before becoming a typical shitty normal human
How else is one supposed to take this as anything other than
>Young = innocent and not shitty normal human
>At that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Who, then, is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?” 2 He called a little child to him, and placed the child among them. 3 And he said: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
But that makes more sense. Thanks for replying.
shut up nerd
Best post ITT, it's sad how barely anyone can entertain the thought of symbolism - not just in this work, but many others
Yeah Miyazaki doesn't know how to end movies, it's always this kind of shit with him.
The train ride was the best sequence.
The real question is why do people like OP feel the need to make shit threads like this purely for controversial and mostly worthless argument posts to be made?
Japanese cartoons are all autistic made by autists for autists.
I always thought the witches were actually the same
Something something aeroplane over OP's head.
SOFT AND SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEET
>the only jap animation with more than 5 frames of animation per second
>hailed as the best anime ever for this reason alone
Rofl
They all are. People who tout Miyazaki movies are desperate for you to take the rest of their "It's really for grown-ups" anime fandom seriously by pretending M. is in any way equivalent to Chuck Jones or Walt Disney.
They're by and large intended for children, I don't know why you associate with autists so much but Miyazaki movies are not a good argument. It's always been a medium primarily geared for young men and boys
>I don't know why
I'll remind you we are on 4-Chan.
>Young men
No. It's a medium for children below the age of 13 or 14. Even H stuff is geared at adolescents between 13-16.
the autistic one is you methinks
This is by far the most overrated of Miyazaki's works. There is very little to it other than being visually interesting, it's genuinely quite boring and meaningless.
Spirited away wasn't even the best animated movie released in its year that goes to
>lilo and stich
>Treasure planet
You are
>a
>moron.
Your mom is the town bicycle and regurly takes dick from 4 men at a time while your dad watches
At least I don't have shit taste in movies.
They guy you are talking to is right all my movies suck and you have no taste
That's why TP and Lilo won Oscars that year, no wait
>oscars
LOL no one gives shit about the oscars
Most people did in 2001 because winning an Oscar back then meant something, the loss of prestige came later. The fact that a Japanese movie won the award over two Disney films doesn't exactly bode well
overrated by zoomers and millennials who watched it as children
porco rosso is miyazaki's opus and nothing else gets even remotely close
castle in the sky is second
Did you watch Nausicaa? Because that one ends while the credits are already rolling.
The Japanese never learned 4 act structure, they wrote stories as a constant escalation so not having conclusive endings comes with the philosophy.
we are porco rosso chads tho