This medium is to easily pirated and there's no quality incentive to not.
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This medium is to easily pirated and there's no quality incentive to not.
This medium is to easily pirated and there's no quality incentive to not.
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I only pirate old comics. I don't read new ones at all.
Not to make this an east vs west thread, but I do know what you mean. Most weebs pirate, but they also love the medium enough to go back and send money the way of the IPs they live. Figurines, manga, DVDs, whatever. They support the medium willingly because it offers enough quality for them to do so. Comics and cartoons just don't do that. It feels like they actually hate their own viewerbase a lot of the time and make being a viewer or reader difficult. There's no reason for someone to go back and offer money to DC or Marvel or whatever other company because there's no love coming from the company and nothing offered as a trade. We DO live in the digital age, we CAN pirate, you have to offer more than the show itself if you want money. You have to foster a relationship with your viewer. You have to make them want to give you money, not force them to give you money. Because you're not going to win with force in this regard.
I also feel it's worth mentioning that anime is usually a near 1:1 with its respective manga, so when some season ends, everybody who loved the show goes to see how it went in the manga, or read ahead. The show is basically a glorified commercial for the paper. Then you come over here and everybody in charge of cartoons or movies wants to have their own very special fun and creative take on the characters, so there's no real or significant overlap with any comic to make someone want to go buy it. Imagine if Spider-Man had a cartoon running 1:1 with the comic. Season 1 ends, the viewer base loves it, goes to buy comics by the thousands, both mediums succeed.
back in the day if you liked a song you were supposed to buy the whole album
an entire album with just one or two good songs
and you were paying for 8
the music industry eventually learnt their lesson when they failed to stop people from pirating, now pretty much all music is in one plataform you pay for once a month
tv shows existed on cable, you had to pay for cable, if you were lucky there was a dvd release eventually
now there are like 6 tv plataforms hat expect you to pay a monthly suscription to all of them for one or two shows you watch
they could just set up a website and le you order wathever you want to see and you pay for what you want to watch there are no physical limitaions to this
> they could just set up a website and le you order wathever you want to see and you pay for what you want to watch there are no physical limitaions to this
Good idea…we could call it something like “Amazon”
But Amazon Prime doesn't necessarily have Netflix's collection doesn't have Peawiener's collection doesn't have Paramount+'s collection doesn't have Disney+'s collection doesn't have etc etc. Do you see what he means?
More or less old Netflix and Napster.
>It feels like they actually hate their own viewerbase a lot of the time and make being a viewer or reader difficult.
It's because they don't realize how easily-pirated their stuff is.
Japanese stuff got used to that relatively quickly because before they ever got popular in the west, they were popular in places with huge grey markets and tons of piracy, like China, Hong Kong, Taiwan, and SEA in general. Even Russia is pretty big on grey market media from Japan.
American comics never really had a large bootlegging scene in comparison because they just weren't relevant in the biggest bootlegging markets until relatively recently, so they don't understand that I don't need to give them money to consume their product.
American companies don't believe in making the customer happy anymore, unless said customer falls into their idea of "acceptable," which is moronic for a business for obvious reasons.
Well that, but plenty of movies cartoons and comics these days, let alone the actors themselces and marketing teams, all take shots at the fans these days.
They are very against piracy in Japan, but only in Japan. Until very recently they haven't given a shit about overseas piracy both because the overseas market is an afterthought, if the series in question is even localized at all, and because it would be far more trouble than it's worth to litigate it. Now that Kodansha and the like have started their own streaming services you can likely expect that to change in the future.
>I also feel it's worth mentioning that anime is usually a near 1:1 with its respective manga, so when some season ends, everybody who loved the show goes to see how it went in the manga, or read ahead
You're forgetting the fact that the vast majority of western animation has frick all to do with comics or books in general and when they are, they're based off storybooks that haven't had a publication in years.
>buy the content chud
ok sell it to me
>reeeeeeee
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pirategays are factually mentally ill people who just want to "own the idea", no pirategay on Cinemaphile has ever read any of their zip files, or played any of their zip games, it's all about the pretense.
thats because piracy is their personality
I pirate what I like. However, since corpos don't care one bit for preservation of the media, I download everything in case it gets taken down.
Imagine that in year 2024 of our Lord books that are older than 5 years aren't freely available to anyone anywhere.
I only pirate stuff that's not available worldwide. Disney+ moronic ass thinking of making some of their shows only release on the US is why they keep flopping
Well yeah, did you just want to post the picture? It's nice.
American cartoons seem to gawk at toys or merch now as they look at the 80s/90s/early 2000s toyetic cartoons as low art. The hard pill to sallow if cartoons always relied on these to stay afloat.
You know Patchy wasn't a very good pirate
He didn't pay for that lost Spongebob episode.
>to
It's "too"
>western cartoons
>easily pirated
Man I fricking wish. How come weeaboos have so many dedicated torrent websites, meanwhile I can't even find a download to a complete collection of a cartoon that aired 10 years ago?
Because american companies have the ability and fiscal interest to go after sites like that, nobody in japan cares enough about nyaa to do something about them.
And its damn shame. I wouldn't have given a damn enough about Judge Dredd to start paying were it not for torrenting the old stuff.
>How come weeaboos have so many dedicated torrent websites, meanwhile I can't even find a download to a complete collection of a cartoon that aired 10 years ago?
Fewer archivists.
Weebs and Japs autism results in them archiving everything, from big-name releases to random shitty VHS tapes of some short that aired in 1987 and then never again.
You sure about that? I thought the stereotype was japs are bugmen that dont care about archiving old niche shit, and westerners are the autists preserving shitty forgotten low budget cartoon edutainment tapes on lost media forums
Nerds of any culture will archive stuff while normies don't care.
the otaku segments were fake
I know.
Right? Such a small collection. No way he is a real fan.
Yep. That’s why we have the bible.
Bible thumpers actively hindered the preservation of information for thousands of years.
Tip it any harder and you’ll knock that fedora off your head.
It's not fedora tipping to acknowledge that Christians spent a long time burning or trashing texts they didn't agree with on principle alone. Are you the kind of guy who thinks you're not allowed to point out a flaw in your favorite movie?
I'm not saying Christians never learned or tried to preserve knowledge. Obviously they changed their ways at some point and that's great. But it doesn't change the fact that preserving writing or art or culture or knowledge was at the very bottom of their priority list for a long time. And before anyone says it, no, I'm not saying they were the only ones who did that either. I'm not singling Christians out as the boogeyman, I'm just saying the other Anon was wrong.
I think the point of the post you were replying to was that christians (and israelites) went ahead and preserved their own book (which is really made of a collection of books) for a very long time. And you missed that point hard.
Practically all learned people for centuries were clergymen, dummy. Fundie morons of today are not the theologians of the past.
>mfw not buying stuff is terrorism
The incentive used to be that you would “vote with your dollar,” and people would keep making things resembling the stuff a lot of people had paid money to see. And if you didn’t support original content, you could expect to be doomed to low effort lowest common denominator slop and endless reboots of things that were successful before.
But clearly now that’s gonna keep happening either way, so frick it.
Realtalk, yeah.
I could see manga fans outright buying all their content for a wide variety of reasons (assuming they have access to mangas they can buy, I mean), but for cartoon/comic fans, nah.
Our comics are:
>thin enough that it feels like you've been scammed
>constantly retconned
>full of ragebait hot-button political shit entirely designed to get you to buy it out of curiosity
>full of characters jobbing for the ragebait
>often drawn by someone worse than whoever did the cover art
>often drawn badly by some guest artist that's only in the industry for ragebait hot-button reasons
>often drawn in a "safe" way because CURVES BAD and CLEAVAGE BAD
>generally unfinished, they drop an entire plot line solely because it's not selling and they want their #1 sales boost back
>hard to actually buy anywhere because LCSes are gone
-so buying comics is an awful risk unless you know all the details beforehand.
Cartoons don't exactly have the same issues, but:
>rarely make it past season 2-3, often ending on a cliffhanger the writers didn't intend
>are drawn safely, like the "chest bulge" meant to represent boobs
>are often full of hot-button political/relationship shit meant to draw in rage-watching
>are often full of hot-button political/relationship shit meant to draw in specific demographics while intentionally pushing aside anyone else, even if those demographics might not actually watch cartoons
>are often written with a literal/metaphorical "character checklist" in mind, making sure to cover every demographic at least once, even if it doesn't make sense in the show's setting (coughLOTRcough)
>are quickly removed from whatever services run them, or even weirder, they'll have a season missing, or only run the newest season and that's it
>some other shit I'm too distracted IRL to remember
Really though, the #1 thing with cartoons is simply this new thing where everything's on 100 different streaming services. You'd have to be STUPID to sub to that manyl.
(me)
*many
>write up long post while I'm waiting for someone to arrive IRL
>make typo
>post is so long that Twitter-brained anons wont even read it anyway
I did read it but I'm not going to respond because I don't want to
OP summed it all up in one short line
Honestly, my main issue is that I have no interest in giving money to people who hate their audience.