Holy shit reddit really does rot your brain, now you can't read and you can't type unless it's all reddit-speech
It's fricking over dude, you can only kys now
ruined by the pink floyd rip off outro, what the frick was that about
(one of the best diner scenes and mob intimidation scenes in film history though)
The scenes I hate are when they go talk to that stupid ass skinny Black person and his fat black friend too. Ruins the momentum. Why have them in the movie??
because otherwise we wouldnt have the biggest plothole of him mentioning "slick" off handedly and it somehow being the key to idnetifying the crew despite it being a fricking common term of address.
Wrong. Every scene was necessary. You needed that back story for the black driver. You needed to know exactly how fricked Waingro was to show how bad of a pick he was for the job in the first place. You needed to see that the guy they ripped off who wanted vengeance on Neil was able to get in contact with Waingro. You needed to know how and why they got set up when Neil was so fricking careful. You needed to see him grow close to the girl and make the promises he did to her. You needed to see Chris cheat on and treat his wife like a piece of shit. You needed to see Hanna try to hold his family together as he hunts down the scum that are destroying the city. You need to see all of it or none of the dramatic moments have any emotional weight to them.
Fricking homosexuals with no attention spans I cannot abide you.
See the thing is that I agree with you on all of this, that its a very tight script, but it doesn't change the fact that its uninspired and fumbles on selling those emotional moments. For fricks sake i cant think of a less compelling example of the forced love interest than McCauley and Edie
I really liked Heat, but none of the Blu-ray or streaming versions have the theatrical cut. They're all the new edited version from 2008-2009 when the first Blu-ray was put out.
The Special Edition DVD has the full version without the editing, and the sound mix is better on the DVD too (audio track is ported from the Laserdisc).
But my two cents - Thief is a little bit better. And James Caan pulls off the part a bit better.
Blackhat is another really underrated film done by Michael Mann and is WMAF which is why I enjoy watching it.
Just a weak part of the script. He was needed to back fill Trejo because Trejo was needed to rat them out in a convoluted way. But since they needed a back fill for Trejo they then needed to establish the black guy's character as a miserable line cook so he had a compelling reason to join the crew and we "needed" his GF there so we could feel bad when he gets killed. In this sense the GF was unnecessary for the utility of the script because nobody gave a frick about the black guy anyways.
>In this sense the GF was unnecessary for the utility of the script because nobody gave a frick about the black guy anyways.
Wrong. This is arguably the most moving scene in the film
Michael Mann, always does this, Miami vice episodes are like this too.
Collateral had Mark Rufalo building up, than he instantly gets shot by Tom Cruise. when they first meat.
That's a good thing though. It shows how random and chaotic the criminal is. There's not really a grand or justified meaning to their actions. They're just fricking bombs. Mann is excellent at portraying this.
Because it's tragic how he let go of his straight life he was trying to lead only to die instantly, it's also realistic, not everyone gets a backstory and lives to the end of the movie dodging all the bullets along with everyone else for its own sake.
He was unironically the most sympathetic character of heist gang, the rest of whom were actual killers. No evidence he was violent, plus, he ate shit to go straight, which, based on the IRL crime stories I read about these days, is the opposite of the worst perps. The subway chokehold guy in NYC had 44 arrests.
You have to go into it not watching it and waiting for only the shootout. It's a slow burn cat and mouse movie before and after the famous scene. It's about what it means to be tied to something you love to do even if it costs you other major aspects of your life. Also watch it at night.
I just watched it for the first time few days ago and its definitely overrated a solid 6/10. I haven't seen scarface but I assume its the same deal quality wise. I kept wondering why Heat was so highly praised, because it has de Niro and Pacino? I enjoyed their diner scene but it really had little going or it
One thing I like about Heat is that you really can't date the movie as it doesn't have a huge technological focus. The scenes with cell phones are brief, and most of the vehicles (while from the 1990s and earlier) are mostly in good condition, so you tend not to pay attention to the age of the vehicle.
I've loved this movie since about 1998 when I first saw it on VHS.
no the whole movie is kino and flows very well. the bank heist isn't my favorite scene because that's where my favorite character dies. if you think a professional robbery crew is going to do a heist every other day without any downtime you're stupid, and there really isn't any downtime besides DeNiro's romance scenes, everything else they do in between robberies is setup, planning and police evasion.
shit you beat me to it
fp and mp bp
you're right
homosexuals
he was makin a move
i had to get it on
OP is a slick
Agreed. I rewatched this and it’s massively overrated
I've seen it 4 times and still don't think it's over rated. Solid 9
in what way? like everything is mediocre but people give it too much love or like its less than the sum of its parts?
>pls put it in my pre-fetched reddit npc parameters
no
ok if it wasnt either of those then what was it? You made a generalized claim and i was humbly asking for you to elaborate why be mean?
Holy shit reddit really does rot your brain, now you can't read and you can't type unless it's all reddit-speech
It's fricking over dude, you can only kys now
Also you're clearly under 18 so get the frick out
yeah but its cool when Cinemaphile rots your brain
Not to the extend plebbit does, see pic related.
Anybody have the uncensored version by the way?
Don't reply to this post
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>Fight me
Zoomers with low attention will bring the world down
And it's a good thing
Jesus zoomer are plebs and shouldn’t be allowed to post.
sick score
It’s Kino but Thief is better.
ruined by the pink floyd rip off outro, what the frick was that about
(one of the best diner scenes and mob intimidation scenes in film history though)
they wanted Comfortably Numb but couldn't get it
>what the frick was that about
the best scene in the film
I liked it. All of it.
Kino. Frick OP.
🙂
You might want to read the OP post again, dyslexia-kun
This shootout is peak operator kino.
Truth.
SICK
OP wasn't able to get it on.
Slick pls.
Love Tom Sizemore. Simple as.
No OP, you're just a gay who needs to have constant meaningless vacuous spectacle to be engaged.
The scenes I hate are when they go talk to that stupid ass skinny Black person and his fat black friend too. Ruins the momentum. Why have them in the movie??
because otherwise we wouldnt have the biggest plothole of him mentioning "slick" off handedly and it somehow being the key to idnetifying the crew despite it being a fricking common term of address.
It's already thinly put together.
it has 0 reasons to be as long as it is
you could cut at least half ah hour of pointless shit out of it
Wrong. Every scene was necessary. You needed that back story for the black driver. You needed to know exactly how fricked Waingro was to show how bad of a pick he was for the job in the first place. You needed to see that the guy they ripped off who wanted vengeance on Neil was able to get in contact with Waingro. You needed to know how and why they got set up when Neil was so fricking careful. You needed to see him grow close to the girl and make the promises he did to her. You needed to see Chris cheat on and treat his wife like a piece of shit. You needed to see Hanna try to hold his family together as he hunts down the scum that are destroying the city. You need to see all of it or none of the dramatic moments have any emotional weight to them.
Fricking homosexuals with no attention spans I cannot abide you.
why didnt they just found a bank?
i like u
heh
See the thing is that I agree with you on all of this, that its a very tight script, but it doesn't change the fact that its uninspired and fumbles on selling those emotional moments. For fricks sake i cant think of a less compelling example of the forced love interest than McCauley and Edie
my favorite misogynist sports
curling, long jump and volleyball
and some stupid fricking american has to ruin it
every scene with Neil and Eady is sublime
She was cute. A shame they never went and lived in New Zealand together.
he's a killer thief. got got as he deserved
It was a good end/death scene tbqh.
I really liked Heat, but none of the Blu-ray or streaming versions have the theatrical cut. They're all the new edited version from 2008-2009 when the first Blu-ray was put out.
The Special Edition DVD has the full version without the editing, and the sound mix is better on the DVD too (audio track is ported from the Laserdisc).
But my two cents - Thief is a little bit better. And James Caan pulls off the part a bit better.
Blackhat is another really underrated film done by Michael Mann and is WMAF which is why I enjoy watching it.
It's a free country, hot dogs
Danny Trejo was wasted in this. Also his name was just "Trejo". Bravo, Mann
Damn Trejo looks most handsome even with movie stars.
Also, he was perfectly used. Ensemble cast and story.
blessed image
Only smoothbrains who want a roller coaster ride even talk about the shootout. Heat fans like it for the drama and style
If anything it's the De Niro and Al Pacino scene which is overrated - yet still good.
>drama and style
Its literally the most derivative crime movie shit out there. Like as bad as Den of Thieves
it has lots of good parts
I watch Heat and Training Day at least once a year.
This movie total k8no from start to end and I've watched it 3 times in the past month.
you have too much time on your hands
why did they spend like 3 scenes setting up the black guy's backstory just for him to get killed off in the next scene
Just a weak part of the script. He was needed to back fill Trejo because Trejo was needed to rat them out in a convoluted way. But since they needed a back fill for Trejo they then needed to establish the black guy's character as a miserable line cook so he had a compelling reason to join the crew and we "needed" his GF there so we could feel bad when he gets killed. In this sense the GF was unnecessary for the utility of the script because nobody gave a frick about the black guy anyways.
>In this sense the GF was unnecessary for the utility of the script because nobody gave a frick about the black guy anyways.
Wrong. This is arguably the most moving scene in the film
yeah well thats like your opinion man
Michael Mann, always does this, Miami vice episodes are like this too.
Collateral had Mark Rufalo building up, than he instantly gets shot by Tom Cruise. when they first meat.
That's a good thing though. It shows how random and chaotic the criminal is. There's not really a grand or justified meaning to their actions. They're just fricking bombs. Mann is excellent at portraying this.
Are you actually dyslexic, anon?
I am, im wearing special glasses though lol
Well, hopefully some day you can sue your mom for having a moronic diet while you were in her womb. If I had dyslexia I'd blow my brains out, jesus
So that you cared about him when he died
Because it's tragic how he let go of his straight life he was trying to lead only to die instantly, it's also realistic, not everyone gets a backstory and lives to the end of the movie dodging all the bullets along with everyone else for its own sake.
He was unironically the most sympathetic character of heist gang, the rest of whom were actual killers. No evidence he was violent, plus, he ate shit to go straight, which, based on the IRL crime stories I read about these days, is the opposite of the worst perps. The subway chokehold guy in NYC had 44 arrests.
You explained it in your own post you fricking brainlet
Michael Mann as a whole kinda sucks. He can do tension pretty well but his talent for storytelling is about on the same level as a filmschool student.
Heyo.
ok Collateral is the one exception. But its still not S tier, just a good B+
The shootout isn't even close to the best scene in the movie. You must have low T.
It's good but anyone who says it doesn't drag at parts is full of shit
i think we all just like seeing cops wasted in a kino way
Nah, like Casino it's one of those movies that are so entertaining they don't feel three hours long at all.
this but obviously not fricking casino
yes. not a good movie. good moments and acting, not a good film. SS is mostly to blame but story overally is weak
Casino is far more enjoyable
Casino is a horrific mobius strip of Scorsese tropes
More like Scorsese tropes perfected.
Only good part of the movie plus the baseball bats
Exactly this
Finally two posts in a row not sucking off Casino
Mediocre film in every regard. Shit narration. Shit editing. Overacting out the wazoo.
You have to go into it not watching it and waiting for only the shootout. It's a slow burn cat and mouse movie before and after the famous scene. It's about what it means to be tied to something you love to do even if it costs you other major aspects of your life. Also watch it at night.
i mean i wouldnt feel bad if a bunch of Black folk chopped these dipshits familia into pieaces
Stop talking, okay, Slick?
why didnt they just kill the bankers?
I just watched it for the first time few days ago and its definitely overrated a solid 6/10. I haven't seen scarface but I assume its the same deal quality wise. I kept wondering why Heat was so highly praised, because it has de Niro and Pacino? I enjoyed their diner scene but it really had little going or it
I've watched it 3 (three) times and I still only remember like two scenes and the shootouts
what are you favorite movies besides Love Actually?
the frick is that
Michael Mann is prob my fav director
I hope he does better outside of Heat, as soulless and uncharacteristic a film can be, good cast though
I really like Mahunter
why dont americans have foreskins
why are gay american morons ruining women's volleyball tournaments?
>literally and unironically watching this right now
>open Cinemaphile
>this is the first thread in the catalog
what did I mean by this?
Cinemaphile is too weird for Cinemaphile scores
why are you browsing Cinemaphile while you watch a movie
Pie anyone?
as one of the people shitting on Heat this guy was the best performance, also liked the "that guy" actor because hes always kino
I'd rather watch Insomnia if I wanted to see Al Pacino act a cop while De Niro does career criminal even lazier than usual
Exceedingly kino soundtrack.
no kino without a solid score
Good thing it has that too:
lol OP gets his film recommendations from the cumtown laugh track. what a gimp
One thing I like about Heat is that you really can't date the movie as it doesn't have a huge technological focus. The scenes with cell phones are brief, and most of the vehicles (while from the 1990s and earlier) are mostly in good condition, so you tend not to pay attention to the age of the vehicle.
I've loved this movie since about 1998 when I first saw it on VHS.
>best shootout scene committed to film
in a boomercore dumb action flick way ,maybe
still suck
frick De Niro
frick Palmer
frick Pacino
meme squad
zero arguments presented
Heat and most of Manns work is overrated garbage. Entry level, reddit director.
no the whole movie is kino and flows very well. the bank heist isn't my favorite scene because that's where my favorite character dies. if you think a professional robbery crew is going to do a heist every other day without any downtime you're stupid, and there really isn't any downtime besides DeNiro's romance scenes, everything else they do in between robberies is setup, planning and police evasion.
>fight me