Visually at least the movie was very good with the magic and body horror. I don’t like Wanda being the villain but it was fun seeing the extent of what she could do uninhibited.
Not really. She went through a lot of trauma, and was shown to have a nasty side throughout her appearances. The Nocromonicon just nudged her over the hill.
If anything it was just a step further in the direction WandaVision was showing. If she was willing to reanimate the dead pieces of her lover and hold a town hostage so that she could delude herself into having the imaginary children she wanted, then why is it out of character for he to use her newfound powers to get real versions of those kids from another version of her, especially since apparently she's the only Wanda to not have them as real children.
> If she was willing to reanimate the dead pieces of her lover and hold a town hostage so that she could delude herself into having the imaginary children she wanted
Problem is thats not what happened. She WASN'T willing to do that, thats the whole fricking point of the show. She unleashed magic she didn't understand or control in a moment of grief, and it gave her exactly what she wanted. She didn't make the conscious choice to mindrape the town to get what she wanted, it happened and she didn't stop to question the consequences of what was going on around her because she was too busy focusing on the miracle in front of her. Wanda was horrified later in the show when the people of the town start describing what they have been suffering, because she honestly didn't *know*. And she ultimately makes the choice to give up everything she wanted for the benefit of others.
I'm fine with Wanda succumbing to the temptation of the Darkhold after that and turning evil, but the movie should have made it more clear that it was a corrupting influence and that Wanda was under its sway. As is, there is too large a leap between the show and the movie and we as the audience have to assume too much when it could have just been said. This is not inconsequential stuff, after all, its literally the entire basis of the film.
It's a narrative dead end for a popular character. People who like her don't care how you try to justify it, it's simply not something they'd ever want. Considering she's one of the few organically popular heroines they had, and people were hyped for her return. Whether you as an individual liked her becoming a villain or not, for the MCU this was a bad short-sighted decision, where a character that could have been a draw for years got destroyed for the sake of that one story.
> If she was willing to reanimate the dead pieces of her lover and hold a town hostage so that she could delude herself into having the imaginary children she wanted
Problem is thats not what happened. She WASN'T willing to do that, thats the whole fricking point of the show. She unleashed magic she didn't understand or control in a moment of grief, and it gave her exactly what she wanted. She didn't make the conscious choice to mindrape the town to get what she wanted, it happened and she didn't stop to question the consequences of what was going on around her because she was too busy focusing on the miracle in front of her. Wanda was horrified later in the show when the people of the town start describing what they have been suffering, because she honestly didn't *know*. And she ultimately makes the choice to give up everything she wanted for the benefit of others.
I'm fine with Wanda succumbing to the temptation of the Darkhold after that and turning evil, but the movie should have made it more clear that it was a corrupting influence and that Wanda was under its sway. As is, there is too large a leap between the show and the movie and we as the audience have to assume too much when it could have just been said. This is not inconsequential stuff, after all, its literally the entire basis of the film.
>She didn't make the conscious choice to mindrape the town to get what she wanted
This is an important point, and too many of the people who hate her misrepresent the events of WandaVision, pretending that she knew what she was doing all along and was intentionally hurting people.
>because she honestly didn't *know*.
While Vision tries to tell her, she doesn't believe it because she doesn't want to believe it, she had to be forced to find out in the end.
>This is not inconsequential stuff, after all, its literally the entire basis of the film.
And it's not the movie that MCU fans thought they were getting, in which Doctor Strange and Scarlet Witch team up to fight a villain, just as it's not the movie that people who just wanted muh cameos thought they were getting.
Raimi's directing saves it, the script is just terrible. It does a disservice to all it's characters, specially Strange, who barely feels like the protagonist.
I am... very conflicted about this movie >cool directing >like all the horror aspects and Wanda as a villain >on the other hand, it's not really her, I mean it's her, but it's the book >action is fine I guess >America is fricking annoying and shouldn't exist >NO promised "multiverse of madness", Everything Everywhere does this concept million times better >Strange is cucked and blacked and spends entire movie being emo about his ex who left him off-screen >everyone assumed it was evil Strange from What If, in reality it's just some other Strange >everyone assumed it was Shuma Gorath, but nope, not him
I really enjoyed the main character of the movie Lesbian Chavez
The multiverse plot device which enables studios to re-cycle previous popular actors and storylines will never get old.
Oh it is, really allowed Strange to go all out on spells
I like it too, probably the only MCU thing I enjoyed after endgame
Would have been better if it focused on Strange and Wanda, and removed America.
>Would have been better if it focused on Strange and Wanda
It did, though. America was just a CUTE plot device.
Visually at least the movie was very good with the magic and body horror. I don’t like Wanda being the villain but it was fun seeing the extent of what she could do uninhibited.
Evil Wanda made all her previous character development MOOT.
Not really. She went through a lot of trauma, and was shown to have a nasty side throughout her appearances. The Nocromonicon just nudged her over the hill.
nope
If anything it was just a step further in the direction WandaVision was showing. If she was willing to reanimate the dead pieces of her lover and hold a town hostage so that she could delude herself into having the imaginary children she wanted, then why is it out of character for he to use her newfound powers to get real versions of those kids from another version of her, especially since apparently she's the only Wanda to not have them as real children.
> If she was willing to reanimate the dead pieces of her lover and hold a town hostage so that she could delude herself into having the imaginary children she wanted
Problem is thats not what happened. She WASN'T willing to do that, thats the whole fricking point of the show. She unleashed magic she didn't understand or control in a moment of grief, and it gave her exactly what she wanted. She didn't make the conscious choice to mindrape the town to get what she wanted, it happened and she didn't stop to question the consequences of what was going on around her because she was too busy focusing on the miracle in front of her. Wanda was horrified later in the show when the people of the town start describing what they have been suffering, because she honestly didn't *know*. And she ultimately makes the choice to give up everything she wanted for the benefit of others.
I'm fine with Wanda succumbing to the temptation of the Darkhold after that and turning evil, but the movie should have made it more clear that it was a corrupting influence and that Wanda was under its sway. As is, there is too large a leap between the show and the movie and we as the audience have to assume too much when it could have just been said. This is not inconsequential stuff, after all, its literally the entire basis of the film.
It's a narrative dead end for a popular character. People who like her don't care how you try to justify it, it's simply not something they'd ever want. Considering she's one of the few organically popular heroines they had, and people were hyped for her return. Whether you as an individual liked her becoming a villain or not, for the MCU this was a bad short-sighted decision, where a character that could have been a draw for years got destroyed for the sake of that one story.
>She didn't make the conscious choice to mindrape the town to get what she wanted
This is an important point, and too many of the people who hate her misrepresent the events of WandaVision, pretending that she knew what she was doing all along and was intentionally hurting people.
>because she honestly didn't *know*.
While Vision tries to tell her, she doesn't believe it because she doesn't want to believe it, she had to be forced to find out in the end.
>This is not inconsequential stuff, after all, its literally the entire basis of the film.
And it's not the movie that MCU fans thought they were getting, in which Doctor Strange and Scarlet Witch team up to fight a villain, just as it's not the movie that people who just wanted muh cameos thought they were getting.
>Visually at least the movie was very good with the magic and body horror.
There are people who complain about Sam Raimi
He was the movie's only saving grace
I like it
Raimi's directing saves it, the script is just terrible. It does a disservice to all it's characters, specially Strange, who barely feels like the protagonist.
I am... very conflicted about this movie
>cool directing
>like all the horror aspects and Wanda as a villain
>on the other hand, it's not really her, I mean it's her, but it's the book
>action is fine I guess
>America is fricking annoying and shouldn't exist
>NO promised "multiverse of madness", Everything Everywhere does this concept million times better
>Strange is cucked and blacked and spends entire movie being emo about his ex who left him off-screen
>everyone assumed it was evil Strange from What If, in reality it's just some other Strange
>everyone assumed it was Shuma Gorath, but nope, not him
>everyone assumed it was Shuma Gorath, but nope, not him
Well, it was, but they had to rename him due to legal problems.
You never did pretend it was bad. You only ever pretended that it is good.
Did you think that was clever?
I really enjoyed the main character of the movie Lesbian Chavez
The multiverse plot device which enables studios to re-cycle previous popular actors and storylines will never get old.