>Set in le future with le future tech
>No one catches Vincent even though they throw in a million deus ex machinas where Vincent almost gets caught and we have future tech (even NASA would’ve caught Vincent honestly).
>Doesn’t touch on the ethical, societal, or economic implications from gene editing and a pseudo caste-system or what some big government bureaucracy would look like It’s basically just a detective movie and the lesson is we should cheer for Vincent for defrauding his way into a top job and ruining society for his own gain and that you the viewer can be a C-grade student and become CEO of McMutt inc. if you “work hard enough” and have charisma.
Why do people actually like this movie. It is just because it’s emotionally manipulative and that’s enought for 90% of viewers. This was a good concept and they botched it into sappy 90s post Cold War slop.
>le
stopped reading here
It's a dumb hamfisted movie. It's for people who watch the swimming scene with the brother and think it's brilliant.
It was a good movie but obviously meant to have a different takeaway given how silly the premise is.
Any society capable of gene editing that good would've moved on from the caste system long ago
>No one catches Vincent even though they throw in a million deus ex machinas where Vincent almost gets caught and we have future tech (even NASA would’ve caught Vincent honestly).
Explain how they would have caught Vincent. He was using wheelchair guys identity and looked enough like him.
’t touch on the ethical, societal, or economic implications from gene editing
"Waaah, it didn't have a le message"
> ruining society
How did he ruin society?
You sound like a fricking homosexual.
>Explain how they would have caught Vincent. He was using wheelchair guys identity and looked enough like him.
Are you fricking joking? Vincent and Jerome barely look alike. They didn’t bother doing any background checks or what?
> "Waaah, it didn't have a le message"
Why would I watch it if there’s no message. That’s the whole point. If there’s no message then they could’ve had some fight scenes or something but the movie is pretty dull too.
>How did he ruin society?
>You sound like a fricking homosexual.
Of course someone not qualified or apt for the fricking job will have a negative impact on society. C’mon.
Same thing I said to
>Are you fricking joking? Vincent and Jerome barely look alike.
You're moronic. It's not Vincent looking like Jerome it's Vincent looking like the photo of Jermone that the gov't has on file with his ID. They had a scene where Vincent is adjust his hair to look like the hair in the photo and it was a pretty good match. Certainly enough to pass on 1st glance.
>They didn’t bother doing any background checks or what?
What would they background check? Jermone was put in a wheelchair outside of the country and the gov't didn't know about it.
>Why would I watch it if there’s no message.
The message, moron, is said in the movie "They've got you looking so hard for any flaw, that that's all you see." It's also about achieving your dreams, even if you are an underdog to do so.
> they could’ve had some fight scenes or something but the movie is pretty dull too.
Go watch an MCU movie you fricking homosexual.
>Of course someone not qualified or apt for the fricking job will have a negative impact on society. C’mon.
He IS qualified. That's the fricking point. They establish that he is smart enough to do the job.
>You're moronic. It's not Vincent looking like Jerome it's Vincent looking like the photo of Jermone that the gov't has on file with his ID. They had a scene where Vincent is adjust his hair to look like the hair in the photo and it was a pretty good match. Certainly enough to pass on 1st glance.
They still don’t look that alike and someone would have found out eventually. They should have some facial recongition technology or surveillance if they live in the future. That wouldn’t pass even on someone’s passport in a first world country. They could have explored people looking the other way or bureaucracy being overloaded and incompetent but it’s just a crappy detective crime drama movie.
>What would they background check? Jermone was put in a wheelchair outside of the country and the gov't didn't know about it.
Well why wouldn’t they apart from the reasons I said? You stop background checks because someone leaves the country? And it’s a deus ex machina anyways.
>The message, moron, is said in the movie "They've got you looking so hard for any flaw, that that's all you see." It's also about achieving your dreams, even if you are an underdog to do so.
Which is a shit message for reasons I already explained. I guess Lance Armstrong was achieving his dreams too.
>Go watch an MCU movie you fricking homosexual.
That’s not the point.
>He IS qualified. That's the fricking point. They establish that he is smart enough to do the job.
The doctor guy (???) said that the genetic testing was just inadequate if Vincent succeeded. Because he worked harder then that isn’t determined by genes/environment too? Again, it’s a shitty individualistic message; you could say that someone with 95 IQ became a successful CEO or athlete but that’s an obvious exception and/or fluke
>They still don’t look that alike
Vincent looks enough like Jerome's pic you fricking moron.
>They should have some facial recongition technology
But they didn't. That's like saying "Why didn't they have iphones and social media?!"
> bureaucracy being overloaded
It's not overloaded. You are are just looking to create nonsense. Vincent and Jerome pulled off a scam, and the cops didn't think a super genius would kill someone.
>st a crappy detective crime drama movie.
Again, go watch some MCU.
>Well why wouldn’t they apart from the reasons I said? You stop background checks because someone leaves the country?
What would they get in a background check?
>Jerome is a genius
>he went overseas for a few years
>now he's back and works at NASA place
End of story.
>Which is a shit message for reasons I already explained.
Please explain it again. The movie set up a situation where you instantly disqualified is you weren't born in a eugenics lab. The mentality of the world was also "someone not born in a eugenics lab can't do this job". Vincent proved them wrong. And the message is "STOP LOOKING FOR FLAWS" because it's keeping you from seeing the GREAT. Fricking kys.
>I guess Lance Armstrong was achieving his dreams too.
Lance Armstrong was using illegal drugs in SPORTS competition. Vincent wasn't using any illegal drugs. If anything he had to work harder. Lance did drugs so he wouldn't have to work as hard.
>That’s not the point.
Yes it is. YOu literally want more fight scenes...
>The doctor guy (???) said that the genetic testing was just inadequate if Vincent succeeded.
So what?
> 95 IQ became a successful CEO or athlete but that’s an obvious exception and/or fluke
Again, so what?Atluve is a great baseball player but for a long time no one considered him because he's only like 5'7.
You are legit moronic and should stick to Marvel movies.
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>Vincent looks enough like Jerome's pic you fricking moron.
He doesn’t for reason I already explained. Couldn’t even pass through airport security.
>But they didn't. That's like saying "Why didn't they have iphones and social media?!"
iPhones and social media are a niche in the first place. You could pretty easily say that the internet is government owned and we all still live in the Usenet era. And I’m not nitpicky enough to complain about small details like that — even then they should have had enough foresight for that since CCTV was already a thing.
>It's not overloaded. You are are just looking to create nonsense. Vincent and Jerome pulled off a scam, and the cops didn't think a super genius would kill someone.
Which was a deus ex machina and he should’ve been caught eight times.
>Again, go watch some MCU.
No.
>What would they get in a background check?
Explain why they wouldn’t do periodic background checks. If cheating his way in (and therefore for everyone else) is so easily then this should be a bigger plot point. Like grade inflation and AA in colleges/university or an underground black market.
>Please explain it again. The movie set up a situation where you instantly disqualified is you weren't born in a eugenics lab. The mentality of the world was also "someone not born in a eugenics lab can't do this job". Vincent proved them wrong. And the message is "STOP LOOKING FOR FLAWS" because it's keeping you from seeing the GREAT. Fricking kys.
Yeah because he deus ex machinas his way into the job. Just because someone has 90IQ doesn’t GUARANTEE with 100% odds they will be a failure or inept but on average, 90IQ is far worse than 130IQ.
>Lance Armstrong was using illegal drugs in SPORTS competition. Vincent wasn't using any illegal drugs. If anything he had to work harder. Lance did drugs so he wouldn't have to work as hard.
Just my point about the testing being inadequate again.
>He doesn’t for reason I already explained. Couldn’t even pass through airport security.
Yes he would. Unless they have a reason to stare at your photo, you will get through. That's another point of the movie. The cops don't think Jerome would do it because of his background.
>iPhones and social media are a niche in the first place
Wut? lol
> even then they should have had enough foresight for that since CCTV was already a thing.
You're saying "they should have had facial recoginition software because we have it now". The movie didn't. Neither did Star Trek. Get over it, homosexual. Media can't predict the future.
>Which was a deus ex machina and he should’ve been caught eight times.
Give some specific examples of these 8 times.
>Explain why they wouldn’t do periodic background checks.
What would the background check find? AGAIN: Jerome is genius. He went overseas. Now he's back in USA and working at NASA. He goes home to the address that NASA has on file. What else do YOU expect them to find?
>If cheating his way in (and therefore for everyone else) is so easily then this should be a bigger plot point.
He didn't "Cheat" his way in. He KNOWS his shit. He memorized the fricking physics text book and we (and the cop) sees him working like a genius at the computer doing calculations.
>Yeah because he deus ex machinas his way into the job.
Explain how he does this. He scams his way in, but there are no deux ex, even though you keep saying it.
>Just my point about the testing being inadequate again.
Not the same thing. Lance took a drug that was performance enhancing. Vincent had no such thing. He had to actually learn all that physics and science shit.
>The mentality of the world was also "someone not born in a eugenics lab can't do this job
Then how was he qualified for it? How did he receive the education and training that would qualify him for it if he objectively couldn't do it?
This movie is shit
>Then how was he qualified for it?
He wasn't, based on their shitty belief system, because all they see is FLAWS. I'm not going to explain this to you again.
>How did he receive the education
Vincent literally said taht he "memorized the entire book" you fricking homosexual. WATCH. THE. MOVIE.
> and training that would qualify him
He was able to stay on treadmill for the required time. It fricking wiped him out (but it wouldn't have wiped Jerome out because he is a super human). And you keep forgetting, the NASA people think he's Jerome, a super human. All Vincent has to do is maintain the illusion long enough to be shot into space. It's a short con, not a long con.
>This movie is shit
It's amazing how you keep saying this, present the same arguments, get those arguments shot down, then just present them again.
I'm a different guy, dumbass
>Vincent literally said taht he "memorized the entire book"
So he was not educated or qualified for whatever position? Memorizing a textbook is not having credentials
>WATCH. THE. MOVIE.
No, it looks gay as frick
>adding race into eugenics
It's a core part of it. What are you on about?
>So he was not educated or qualified for whatever position? Memorizing a textbook is not having credentials.
That was why he had to memorize the textbook and scam his way in you fricking homosexual. They would have never let him in he was Vincent that went to college (if any college would even accept him).
>No, it looks gay as frick
So it's right up your alley.
>Then how was he qualified for it?
Half the movie is about this.
>The doctor guy (???) said that the genetic testing was just inadequate if Vincent succeeded
That's the flight director, and the point of the scene where he says that "no one exceeds their potential" and that it'd then simply be a problem of not having properly gauged it is there exactly because it invalidates the unprecise, genetic determinism in the movie
>Why would I watch it if there’s no message. That’s the whole point. If there’s no message then they could’ve had some fight scenes or something but the movie is pretty dull too.
There is a message. It's about determinism and the power of the human will, you low IQ spas
>Doesn’t touch on the ethical, societal, or economic implications from gene editing
It does to the extend that is necessary to create the backdrop for the main message of the movie. We do see its impact on society (in fact it's hamfisted in with voice overs at some points). The entire beginning of the movie, the six-fingered pianist, the scene between real Jerome and the cop, etc
>No one catches Vincent even though they throw in a million deus ex machinas where Vincent almost gets caught and we have future tech (even NASA would’ve caught Vincent honestly)
Who gives a shit. Cinema Sins tier of criticism
Every single post you manage to say something new and even dumber
I read it but I’m not going to bother replying to every single point you made or nitpicking the movie since most of them are the same points and it will take too long so you’ll lose interest.
My point is that the movie boils down to “muh expectionalism” feel-good kitsch and it’s basically luddite propaganda. Eugenics isn’t a bad idea. The problem is technological limits and funding, and catastrophic side-effects like inbreeding, one gene affecting something unrelated, or /misc/tards adding metaphysics and race into it. If eugenics worked ideally like in the movie then there is no reason to be against it and you probably have reached end of history. Honestly, “faith-births” should be illegal and from that angle the movie sounds like pro-life Christian stuff. If you support people being born with diseases and ailments then you’re a moron. If you could engineer people to be more docile and happier then where is the problem? Of course the movie never explores any of this so it’s moot.
Also genes and environment wholly determine life outcomes apart from freak accidents or chance. It’s more insidious to deny it at this point
>I read it but I’m not going to bother replying to every single point you made or nitpicking the movie since most of them are the same points and it will take too long so you’ll lose interest.
I won't lose interest. Please proceed.
>My point is that the movie boils down to “muh expectionalism” feel-good kitsch and it’s basically luddite propaganda.
Try using more buzzwords you bleddit homosexual.
>pure bleddit ramblings
Literally kys homosexual.
Your points are
>They won’t do a background check because they just won’t ok?
Which just is? I don’t see why they wouldn’t do background checks anyways and the black market aspect is brushed over for the sake of the plot. I’m not trying to nitpick the movie but it’s obvious it’s from an indivualistic POV. Either he actually gets caught or don’t bother teasing it at all, trying to wiener tease the audience for 2/3s of the runtime is a waste.
>There are a few more nuances to it than your transhumanism view of how gene-editing would play out in reality
Like?
>Because it is not really what the movie is about. Your problem is that you cannot stop interjecting politics into everything and apparently see movies as just another prop to to push a certain view.
Maybe this would be correct for something innocuous like sports but something that has a thematic story and is trying to take itself seriously will have some real life political message.
I mean wignats and neo-nazis. I’m denying race is important for genetics or IQ
*not denying
>>They won’t do a background check because they just won’t ok?
That's not what I said. I said what do YOU expect them to find. Odds are they did do background checks, but they came up with nothing. What do YOU expect the cops to find a background check that would be suspicious?
A blood or urine sample? (I think Vincent faked it and swapped out Jerome’s DNA but that makes the plot even more pathetic)
>A blood or urine sample?
That's not a background check. That's a blood or urine sample check. A BACKGROUND check is when they trace where you were over the years/what you were doing/etc.
And the movie established that Jerome proves Vincent with his blood under fake fingerprints to pass the blood/fingerprint test to get in the building. As well as piss bags to pass piss tests ("there's more alcohol in this piss, then there is piss!" said Vincent). Watch. The. Movie.
>That's not a background check. That's a blood or urine sample check. A BACKGROUND check is when they trace where you were over the years/what you were doing/etc.
Semantics but really. I’m repeating myself but they don’t look alike. Surely someone would notice. They would have to be literal idiots or all legally blind.
>And the movie established that Jerome proves Vincent with his blood under fake fingerprints to pass the blood/fingerprint test to get in the building. As well as piss bags to pass piss tests ("there's more alcohol in this piss, then there is piss!" said Vincent). Watch. The. Movie.
Laughable, imagine doing it in pro sport or for a DUI. Lol
>Semantics but really.
Not really. You don't know fricking definitions.
>I’m repeating myself but they don’t look alike.
The pic you showed shows VINCENT WITH GLASSES and his VINCENT HAIR. Take off the glasses and give him Vincent hair and he passes just fine. And again, according to NASA and the cops he is Jerome, super genius, they see him doing calculations at the computer like a madman, he passes the blood, fingerprint and piss tests. Looking enough like Jerome is enough.
>Laughable, imagine doing it in pro sport or for a DUI. Lol
They literally used to do this you fricking moron. Athletes on steroids would buy clean piss all the time to use during the tests. Even in the movie Vincent make sure the tester can't see him piss because he is using Jeromes piss bag.
>DUI
Do DUI's make you piss or take blood on the fricking spot? No they make you take a breathalyzer.
You are a legit fricking moron.
>Do DUI's make you piss or take blood on the fricking spot?
They look at the guy's ID and also face which apparently nobody in this movie did
>They look at the guy's ID and also face which apparently nobody in this movie did
AGAIN. This movie isnt' a fricking DUI checkpoint. It's a fricking NASA place. I will lay it all out ONE MORE TIME. If you don't get it, you are moronic
>"Jerome" is working at NASA
>he passes blood, fingerprint and piss test every day
>he is a super genius
>everyone sees him at the computer doing genius level calculations
>they would glance over his photo and see that he was a 70% match. The only other option is that some non-genius is impersonating a super genius, which in their mind/society is impossible.
Did you miss the part where the doctor knew all along and is holding his hand over Vincent? The only reason that he wasn't stopped at 10 different points is because the doctor ended up believing as Vincent did. God damn it man. I'm consistently disappointed in Cinemaphile's ability to absorb even basic information when watching movies 🙁 And that's, again, still ignoring that, even if there was an argument here, it's Cinema Sins tier. If you can't suspend your belief for something so insignifcant and unrelated to the message of a movie, you're a bit of a redditor
yknow, I'm starting to believe them reddithomosexuals about us being shit at media literacy
He probably didn't watch the whole movie, you never know with zoomers.
You are replying to two different anons man
>Like?
Such as the ones briefly glossed over in the movie, where people are judged by a system that, for a very long time, will not be perfect. Other things that'd it come hands in hands with, such as complete genetic profiles of people and the baggage that comes with. Problems such as that the technology might not become available for anyone and what this would mean for an already drastically widening gulf between the upper and lower class. The problem of where to stop, and if we really want to give the world and our future into a very few, impossibly intelligent specimen who might as well be alien (already from the known alleles associated with intelligence we could create humans about 16 standard deviations from the average. We're talking a completely alien race)
>Maybe this would be correct for something innocuous like sports but something that has a thematic story and is trying to take itself seriously will have some real life political message.
What? No man. Something that takes itself seriously will not necessarily have a political message. A movie can choose to simply explore some part of the human condition and not concern itself with politics. That's what the movie does
>luddite
Whatever, man. Just get into the pleasure cube already and stop bothering the rest of us.
>and it will take too long so you’ll lose interest
Who says I would?
>Eugenics isn’t a bad idea
I have never even once said that it is a bad idea
>If eugenics worked ideally like in the movie then there is no reason to be against it and you probably have reached end of history
There are a few more nuances to it than your transhumanism view of how gene-editing would play out in reality, but again, I have never even once said that it is necessarily a bad idea
>Of course the movie never explores any of this so it’s moot
Because it is not really what the movie is about. Your problem is that you cannot stop interjecting politics into everything and apparently see movies as just another prop to to push a certain view. It is not about whether it is right or wrong. It is simply a movie about the power of the human will (which I don't even believe in to the extend that most do but which makes for a really, really appealing idea to explore in fiction), where it almost becomes an actual, physical force, and where the characters are almost biblical in how it's reflected in them - Jerome as the perfect human specimen, practically a fallen angel, and Vincent as man reaching for the stars (well literally too)
>I have never even once said that it is a bad idea
I have. Literally anytime eugenics is brought up there's of cries of "nooooo, eugenics is evil, you want to euthanize babies"
>I have
Read the sentence again. Fricking 70 IQ reading comprehension. For someone who seems to find the idea of eugenics fascinating, you sure don't look like you'd make the cut
>Literally anytime eugenics is brought up there's of cries of "nooooo, eugenics is evil, you want to euthanize babies"
Who cares? It's not the interesting part of the film. No one cares lilbro
Oh, yeah, I didn't read. Thought it was "never heard said"
The whole movie is pre-10s American expectionalism and post Cold-War optimism with barely acknowledging any systematic issues that may arise. It sucks
>The whole movie is pre-10s American expectionalism and post Cold-War optimism with barely acknowledging any systematic issues that may arise. It sucks
Nice analysis you bleddit homosexual. No updoots for this post though.
>Vincent looking like the photo of Jermone that the gov't has on file with his ID. They had a scene where Vincent is adjust his hair to look like the hair in the photo and it was a pretty good match. Certainly enough to pass on 1st glance
They're combing the building for loose dandruff but nobody says "hang on, let's actually hold the employee's ID up next to his face"? Come on.
>They're combing the building for loose dandruff but nobody says "hang on, let's actually hold the employee's ID up next to his face"? Come on.
You are fricking moronic. The fingerprinting/blood test checked out. They had no reason to go farther than that.
Zoomer homosexual detected
>nooo you should just bend over for your betters because muh society that despises you
have a nice day bootlicking homosexual
That’s not even a theme in the movie or something they tackle. They could literally just put the proles on UBI and use machines for manual labour with a supervisor. They could probably do that with today’s technology.
>even middle class people get complete access to technology that removes all genetic diseases
This is bad because??????
I get that he's the underdog and all but was it was kind of selfish for a guy with a debilitating heart condition to con his way into navigating a spaceship. What if he has a sudden heart attack in the middle of the voyage and dooms everyone else on board?
He wasn't a perfect character. He is doing what he is doing because he wants to, and yes his heart condition makes this a selfish endeavor.
I watched this movie, enjoyed it, and thought it had a meaningful premise
you know your problem OP is that you can't appreciate 6-7/10 films. You're overly critical. Some of the world's best films are 7/10s.
Why would there even be baseliners outside of weird cults?
That's kind of the plot of Iji the Komato are ancient humans who developed space travel and left Earth like 10s of thousands of years ago and over the millenia have gone through so much genetic modification and android enhancement they're barely alive and the Tasen are a weird cult trying to return to being baseliners
It wasn't great.
It's a genx story, not for zoomers or even millennials
OP got filtered big time. Jude Law is extremely kino in Gattaca
The guy who played the piano made ratboy genius
it sucks like every other classic hollywood movie. an interesting subject but a shitty scenario.
Don't care it's Science classroom movie day kino
I liked it. I thought the premise was somewhat realistic and sound. Just because you're some genetically engineered freak, doesn't actually mean you're better. That's basically the premise as far as I could tell.
>le
literally stopped reading there. Worthless opinion discarded. Gattaca is GOAT.
The scene where Vincent kills a cop and then immediately bangs Uma Thurma gave me an erection like you wouldn't believe back in the day
He did get caught though moron
Yeah. They never explain why the doctor is blackmailing him. Why'd he have to get key to the future.
I get it. Fat moronic no life zoomers make posts like these.
This movie was a fricking master piece and I still watch it every other week.
I thought for sure that the head janitor (Ernest Borgnine) was going to be the murderer, unbeknownst to Vincent, to protect his secret. Would have been better really.