This movie sucked ass
 Thalidomide Vintage Ad Shirt $22.14 |
 DMT Has Friends For Me Shirt $21.68 |
Thalidomide Vintage Ad Shirt $22.14 |
This movie sucked ass
This movie sucked ass
Thalidomide Vintage Ad Shirt $22.14 |
DMT Has Friends For Me Shirt $21.68 |
Thalidomide Vintage Ad Shirt $22.14 |
Is this pretentious Oscar bait shit?
Barely enough.
Did the character of a homosexual autist hit a little too close to home, OP?
y-yes
I thought it was okay
that scene where they have to let the Germans destroy one of their boats was pretty good
>If I can't groom and buttfrick my male students, I'd rather be dead!
liberals have some strange championed ideas
>the true enigma was the man who cracked the code
false advertising
it was the poles who cracked enigma
>poles who cracked enigma
I never knew this.
Just briefed and article about it, long story short is poles got to about 95% ability to crack all messages but over time teh germans changed teh variables and eventually the frequency of change to every day that of course the computer was needed to do teh calculations so fast.
Irony there is we wouldn't be able to shitpost (because of computers) had it not been for teh enigma and turing.
Probably common knowledge to you, unless you are a burger, but it was the brits (using other european scientists) who created the atom bomb, not oppenheimer.
Brits just got the USA to fund it and put it together...
They propably stole the results
>irony there is we wouldn't be able to shitpost (because of computers) had it not been for teh enigma and turing.
my God you seriously believe this don't you
morons
https://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000984.htm#computer
don't post source that proves me right.
? You're dumb as frick lol.
>dumb as frick lol.
>proves me right.
>cannot read
You think one British dude is the only guy that could invent a computer, you're an incredibly niave and stupid little kid.
>one British dude
>cannot read
So fricking moronic, reading comprehension of a toddler
>Irony there is we wouldn't be able to shitpost (because of computers) had it not been for teh enigma and turing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_man_theory?wprov=sfla1
Might wanna brush up on your highschool fallacies, frogposting virgin.
kek moron
>Irony there is we wouldn't be able to shitpost (because of computers) had it not been for teh enigma and turing.
the first actual computer was invented in nazi germany though
Everyone knew how to theoretically make an atom bomb, you can look up the designs right now and the government doesn't give a shit. Building it is the hard part.
Refining the uranium or other fissile materials is by far the hardest part
>Everyone knew how to theoretically make an atom bomb
You mean everyone as in, the british knew!
>Refining the uranium or other fissile materials is by far the hardest part
This is the part the brits left to the USA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tube_Alloys
Like a trust fund bomb?
Cumberbatch is awful
Did they really think they could spin a compelling 120-minute story about a severely autistic homosexual?
It was a little long but I'd say it was okay overall.
That's what she said
the joke is the real turing was a mad bastard, never closeted for a second, never conflicted about it, and volunteered to be chemically castrated.
>volunteered to be chemically castrated.
the proto-troony
It really did. Here are the reasons this movie is awful:
>Benedict Cumberbatch's performance as a Cartoon Autist (the more smarter you are, the more worse your social skills are)
>Fake conflict with Commander Denniston who's portrayed like the police sergeant who yells at the loose cannon cop for breaking the rules
>Weird awkward stupid portrayal of homosexuality
>Dumb shoehorned-in sexism so the movie can be an Important Movie that deals with the Important Weighty Subject of Sexism
>Incredible melodrama with people constantly screaming and crying and throwing things
>Further incredible melodrama with Mean Police Sgt. Denniston coming in and trying to turn off the machine right before it decodes the Nazi communications
In toto: a film that clearly doesn't have much faith that the Enigma project is interesting so decides to fill it up with idiot melodrama, screeching Oscar bait monologues, and cliches like a porn star injecting her face with silicone.
P.S.- I couldn't believe this movie was nominated for Best Adapted Screenplay. It's like nominating My Dinner With Andre for Best Visual Effects.
>nominated
Dude... it WON the award.
My conscious mind might have suppressed that fact the way it might suppress the memory of being raped.
You summed up my complains very well. The worst scene for me was when they only figure out at the last second that the messages end with Heil Hitler and somehow are somehow able to make a quick last minute change to the machine that causes it to work. They tried to make the script for into the standard Hollywood film beats and it absolutely did not work.
>messages end with Heil Hitler and somehow are somehow able to make a quick last minute change to the machine that causes it to work.
This actually happened (not the epiphany in the bar scene though). The germans would often end their messages with either heil hitler or a weather report for the area. Only have to decode the last part of the msg to get the full thing or most of it
Yeah I assumed that they used HH to decode the message, the part that was moronic was them only realizing it at the last second because the writer learned in film school that you need a low point at the end of your second act.
Either they weren't skilled enough to write an interesting script based on real events (WW2 is the easiest period for this, too) or they underestimated modern audiences. It feels like good character/dialogue writing has been abandoned, as if nobody would trust modern audiences with 12 Angry Men
>It feels like good character/dialogue writing has been abandoned, as if nobody would trust modern audiences with 12 Angry Men
This is something I find so difficult to fathom -- why film studios seem eager to barf out hundreds of millions of dollars for effects, but when it comes to coherent -- never mind vivid or original -- plotting and characterization, they can't do it, even for a super high-stakes film like a Star Wars or Indiana Jones movie.
I don't know if it's because they're anxious audiences won't sit still for characters who are more than bathetic quip factories, or if good writing is the one thing you can't "fix" by throwing more money and manpower at it, or what.
By the way, 12 Angry Men was made for the equivalent of about $3.7 million in today's dollars.
>or if good writing is the one thing you can't "fix" by throwing more money and manpower at it, or what.
they consider keeping out political wrongthinkers to be vastly more important than the quality of the work
it really is that simple
see also the humanities in universities
>they consider keeping out political wrongthinkers to be vastly more important than the quality of the work
>it really is that simple
I find it's hard to believe that's all there is. There are highly ideological movies that are nonetheless excellently shot and plotted.
>see also the humanities in universities
I finished a graduate degree a few years ago and it was like living inside a Ben Garrison cartoon.
the answer is executives, who are all in their positions because of nepotism, cannot comprehend anything more complex than turning people into batteries, and can only comprehend visual effects, and only visual effects they can see immediately.
Imagine trying to explain "bullet time" to a film executive, read, what it would require to pan around someone performing a complex stunt in extremely slow motion. The result of which you can see in the 4th matrix movie, where they just have keanu pretend to move in slow motion, so the camera and dougie houser can walk around him normally.
Were executives really that much smarter, more visionary, or more possessed of good taste 70 years ago?
no. if anything, they were worse, hence new hollywood.
yes, new hollywood started almost 70 years ago now.
My question is, why? Why make a movie on this topic at all? The whole movie communicates insecurity about whether audiences will care about the subject matter or the characters.
>Hmm... might be boring to just have a bunch of eggheads sitting around talking about computer stuff for the whole movie... audiences might not like that...
>I know! We'll put in scenes where they all yell and cry and throw things. That'll keep people engaged. And we'll have antagonists constantly trying to sabotage and destroy the project for no reason.
>But what about Turing himself? He's like this introverted, nerdy guy who's mainly interested in science and playing the violin. What if people think he's boring?
>I've got it! We'll write him as a caricature of the socially moronic genius. Everyone knows that the smarter you are, the worse your social skills are, so if we write him like "BEEP BOOP I DO NOT UNDERSTAND YOUR HU-MAN EMOTIONS, I ONLY UNDERSTAND SCIENCE AND TEST TUBES!" everyone will know he's really smart!
Why? If you don't think the people or events lend themselves to film, why make a film about those people and events at all?
There was a Tv movie about turing that was much better, he had charisma and could talk to people
What's it called?
Tangentially related, I remember enjoying Enigma (the one with Kate Winslet) as a teenager; no idea if it holds up.
Codebreaker 2011
typical of hollwood history films. The message was that a poor homosexual man who saved Britain was persecuted and driven to suicide by evil conservative britain. But almost none of that is true. The code break effort was carried out by hundreds of people and did not rely on him. He did not build the machine himself there were dozens of machinists doing that. There is even a question as to weather he even committed suicide or his death was accidental.
I'm happy to see a movie about a persecuted gay as long as it's a good movie and not just an excuse for everyone involved to pat themselves on the back and say, "I made/saw an Important Movie about Issues." Another of the film's manifold shortcomings was that all the gayness felt somehow inauthentic. I never believed the film's Turing was gay, I never believed he was suffering from the paranoia and self-loathing of a gay guy in 1940s Britain, and I sure as hell never believed he was pining away for his lost love from grade school. It all just read like a bunch of straight people making a gay movie because being gay is an Important Issue.
Blunderbatch only stars in boring movies according to his contracts
I feel like this film changed history to an extent, like before it came out it was a nice bit of trivia to know about Bletchley Park and how it contributed to Allied victory and modern computing but then after they felt the need to make a film about it and give special attention to the one guy who worked there who was both gay and autistic then people started to poke holes in the story like how the Poles cracked the code before the Germans reset it or how useful it really was anyway or how important Turing was compared to everyone else. They kind of ruined their own story by sentimentalizing it and selling it to normies in the most Oscar baity way possible.
I saw this movie on a date. The worst movies I've seen have all been on dates. There are two reasons for this: 1) when I'm on a date I often don't have unilateral decision-making power when it comes to what movie I see and 2) if I walk out of the theatre in the middle of the film, it ruins the date, so I have an incentive to sit through the movie. I saw this movie on a date and I saw "Exodus: Gods and Kings" on a date. I have very vivid detailed memories of both of them because I rarely sit all the way through movies I hate.
"Sentimental" is a perfect word for this movie.
>THE TRUE ENEMA
>WAS THE MAN WHO CRACKED
>THE CODE
Coincidentially, Alan Turing sucked ass IRL too
So sad Turing died of AIDS