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homie it's just roger rabbit clone #298
I can't say if it would have been a financial success or not, but there is NO way it was going to be a good movie.
Oh, but we have to "reintroduce" the fricking loony tunes over and over for two decades, and the only way to do that is a live-action hybrid buddy movie where the cartoons are in the real world but the guy is still the main character. At this point they have been doing the "cartoons in real" gimick for as long as they actually made the original cartoons.
Rare is a relative term.
Rare compared to all other movies maybe, but compare it to all the Looney Tunes movies that aren't roger rabbit clones and, oh wait, there are none.
Because the characters were never meant to be movie characters, they were meant to do slapstick shenanigans for a few minutes and then end scene. You can't do anything else with them without massively changing what the characters are, especially with one-trick ones like Wile. E and Road Runner
It actually does mean it wouldn't have been good. The underlying concept of the film is an overused trope.
I mean, I'm sure it wouldn't have been BAD. I'm sure they had a script that had an arc, the actors said all their lines correct, and the made sure all the shots were in focus, but it wouldn't have been GOOD.
The core of the movie is cartoons are in the real world, cartoon lead is paired up with blank slate human actor audience surrogate. All the humor is just "what if cartoon thing real", and the whole law plot is just an extension of that. Literally roger rabbit, "evil business conspires against cartoon character".
I keep saying that the leaked images make it look like a spiritual successor to that crappy Tom and Jerry movie, and it makes me think maybe Zazlav had a point for this one
Yeah it's silly to think ANY modern movie was going to be the new Roger Rabbit. Richard Williams was a perfectionist artist that trained under the 9 Old Men (same as Don Bluth), was PERSONALLY acknowledged as a superior draughtsman (but not animator) by Milt Kahl himself, and was probably one of the last great Western animators to exist.
The talent necessary to create a technical successor to Roger Rabbit just doesn't exist anymore in the west. There's not enough artists at that level still in the business. You would need an east-west coalition to make something worthy of being considered a successor.
>in the west
To clarify it doesn't exist in the East either, you'd need to scrounge up the best from both sides of the globe to put together that animation department
If anything they portrayed Daffy and Donald Accurately as possibly the ones most likely to fight and Mickey and Bugs and just being Chill with each other.
> Porky and Daffy movie is literally on the way to rolling out worldwide
WB isn't even releasing that, it's some literallywho studio that doesn't have the money to advertise it
>They looked at it and they're like "this is just too good we gotta put this in theaters"
Unless he's talking about the studio that's distributing it now this is not what happened at all
>This probably would've failed at the box office
Zaslav had an offer to sell the distribution rights for more than the film cost to produce
Him not taking guaranteed profit says that shit canning this movie was personal or political
I'm more surprised that it wasn't shitcanned in the pre-production phases with the anti-corporation themes it has. Does the upper management only look at the scripts and themes of the movies they greenlight as soon as they finish dumping millions into getting the whole movie made or something?
Ok, I'll be more clear
There is a 100% completed movie in Warner Bros' back pocket. They could release the movie, but if it underperforms they wont make their costs back.
With a tax write off, Warner will recover some of the production costs as a tax break, but not all of the costs. This option is attractive for projects the executives think will underperform
In this case, all the publicity around the movie got distributors lining up to buy the rights to either put it in theaters or on their own streaming platforms. If Warner took this option they'd get a guaranteed payout no matter how the film performs. But if the film turned out to be a huge draw, Warner wouldn't be the one pocketing the profits
In this case, we know for a fact that one of the companies interested in the distribution rights for this movie offered higher than the movie's production costs. Thats guaranteed more money than Warner would get in a tax write off
We also know that the executives of Warner, a publicly traded company, have a duty to their shareholders to not frick around and waste money.
So there is no fiduciary reason for the Warner Bros company to turn down an offer of a bigger payday from a private company in exchange for a lower payday from the federal government
The only reasons left are personal, then. Zaslav doesn't want to risk this movie making money and so making it look like he makes bad decisions as the one in charge. Or they don't want to help a competitor make money, which also makes Zaslav look bad
If they knew for sure that this movie was a stinker, they'd let the competitor scoop it up. It would give Warner the payout they need while also hurting their competitors. That would be a corporate win
Then shelve it BEFORE going to production like everyone else. And if you step up to take over a job where a shitty production is too far down the pipe to cancel, just take the L and move on.
I get the feeling that this was a late hitting casualty of the WB/Discovery merger, it was greenlit under the old regime and flew under the radar for just long enough to finish production before Zas and his handpicked crony heading up the animation division turned their baleful eyes on it for the first time.
It would have been mid
At most to be honest, that is shitty to just make a whole movie and refuse to release it. Even the worst movie ever had passion put into it
Its not the crews fault that they got stuck with a low tier script becuase all of the bigger ones are either in dev hell or need to make a bazillion bug people bucks
this dumb movie has gotten to the point to where if it actually does get released, people are going to force themselves to like it no matter what.
it can be the shittiest movie ever and people will still say its good.
Im tired of studios being too lazy to do actual 2d animation so they just do cgi but have it look cheap and have black lines over it to look 2d maybe zaslav was right to delete this it looks as bad as that shitty tom and jerry movie from a few years ago that no one remembers i dont get why the lost media people keep saying this movie shouldve never been cancelled because it probably wouldve been shit
This movie will fuel the next five years of lost media content
The real coyote vs acme was the ad revenue we made along the way
>probably
or it could have been a smash hit, we'll never know now because daddy Zas chose money over art
Or maybe daddy Zas wanted to give the superior movie a shot
>art
homie it's just roger rabbit clone #298
I can't say if it would have been a financial success or not, but there is NO way it was going to be a good movie.
Oh, but we have to "reintroduce" the fricking loony tunes over and over for two decades, and the only way to do that is a live-action hybrid buddy movie where the cartoons are in the real world but the guy is still the main character. At this point they have been doing the "cartoons in real" gimick for as long as they actually made the original cartoons.
Roger Rabbit clones are way rarer then that.
Rare is a relative term.
Rare compared to all other movies maybe, but compare it to all the Looney Tunes movies that aren't roger rabbit clones and, oh wait, there are none.
Because the characters were never meant to be movie characters, they were meant to do slapstick shenanigans for a few minutes and then end scene. You can't do anything else with them without massively changing what the characters are, especially with one-trick ones like Wile. E and Road Runner
>homie it's just roger rabbit clone #298
that doesnt meant its not art
nor does it mean it wouldnt have been good
It actually does mean it wouldn't have been good. The underlying concept of the film is an overused trope.
I mean, I'm sure it wouldn't have been BAD. I'm sure they had a script that had an arc, the actors said all their lines correct, and the made sure all the shots were in focus, but it wouldn't have been GOOD.
Legal comedy is overused with cartoon characters?
The core of the movie is cartoons are in the real world, cartoon lead is paired up with blank slate human actor audience surrogate. All the humor is just "what if cartoon thing real", and the whole law plot is just an extension of that. Literally roger rabbit, "evil business conspires against cartoon character".
What was the last smash hit WB had? Taking money based on the fail history is what he is paid to do.
You want idiots with more money than they know what to do with? Go find those NFT idiots.
>What was the last smash hit WB had?
Godzilla x Kong, three frickin weeks ago. Dune Part 2 the month before that.
and Barbie before Dun€ 2
>smash hit
Are Loony Tunes even popular anymore?
>Loony Tunes
Sadly no
They could be, this bit from the classic cartoons was crazy popular
Give it to the right people who respect the source material and yes it can.
Take the bait, I'm looking to make fish sticks tonight
>it's the next roger rabbit!
roger rabbit wasn't even good.
On a technical level, Roger Rabbit was impressive
Coyote vs. ACME uses that same cel-shaded b.s. the Tom and Jerry movie used, and I'm willing to bet it looked just as shitty
I keep saying that the leaked images make it look like a spiritual successor to that crappy Tom and Jerry movie, and it makes me think maybe Zazlav had a point for this one
You know you fricked up when the title characters are side characters
No one gives a shit about that girl who faked the resume, we want to see the cat and mouse make things kersplode
Yeah it's silly to think ANY modern movie was going to be the new Roger Rabbit. Richard Williams was a perfectionist artist that trained under the 9 Old Men (same as Don Bluth), was PERSONALLY acknowledged as a superior draughtsman (but not animator) by Milt Kahl himself, and was probably one of the last great Western animators to exist.
The talent necessary to create a technical successor to Roger Rabbit just doesn't exist anymore in the west. There's not enough artists at that level still in the business. You would need an east-west coalition to make something worthy of being considered a successor.
>in the west
To clarify it doesn't exist in the East either, you'd need to scrounge up the best from both sides of the globe to put together that animation department
It was god damned glorious is what it was.
And to think Chuck Jones almost ruined this
Oh yeah, he wanted both ducks to be cranky jerks, and also his hatred towards camplett, but Richard Williams convinced the team otherwise.
Did Donald Just call Daffy a Black person? HOLY SHIT MY SIDES
If anything they portrayed Daffy and Donald Accurately as possibly the ones most likely to fight and Mickey and Bugs and just being Chill with each other.
frick you Black person
How people think this movie could've been good after reading the plot and seeing these depressing screenshots is beyond me.
It's crazy that people want to hyperfocus on this piece of shit when the Porky and Daffy movie is literally on the way to rolling out worldwide
Yeah, I heard. I'll try to be positive about this one and hope it's not like some of the new shorts where Porky gets tortured for 3-7 minutes nonstop.
> Porky and Daffy movie is literally on the way to rolling out worldwide
WB isn't even releasing that, it's some literallywho studio that doesn't have the money to advertise it
i wouldn't say that: https://youtu.be/LE5SqyofJfA?si=OGEWJKhOoiT3GZGy
still tho i'm surprised the 2-d animated movie gets even a buyer when the 3-d hybrid celeb flick doesn't get zip
Probably because the story of the hybrid struck a nerve with the execs
>They looked at it and they're like "this is just too good we gotta put this in theaters"
Unless he's talking about the studio that's distributing it now this is not what happened at all
Bait or not probably true.
Still find it a shame to not having the ability to see it, add it to a streaming service or something.
I don't need to know why the acme gadgets don't work. it's fun and that's all it should be.
I understand that the film was likely shit, but how exactly is it profitable to just "write off" everything?
I don't even get how that works, "IRS I don't think this will make as much money as a I want so please give me money"
You don't profit off a write off, you just get a portion of the money back on your taxes. It's still a net loss
Leftists have convinced people that money belongs to the government, and when you pay less in taxes it is "money being given to you".
You only want it because you can't have it.
Looney Tunes is just like the Muppets.
It's a known brand, but you're not going to get zoomers to do much other than maybe get an occasional t-shirt.
Zoomers don't want to go sit for 2 hours without tiktok, especially to watch cartoons from the 50s.
>other than maybe get an occasional t-shirt.
and it would be something ironic or otherwise insincere like bootleg smoking a blunt tweety shirts
>This probably would've failed at the box office
Zaslav had an offer to sell the distribution rights for more than the film cost to produce
Him not taking guaranteed profit says that shit canning this movie was personal or political
>Him not taking guaranteed profit says that shit canning this movie was personal or political
Your conclusion doesn't make sense.
There's no other reason to not sell the rights if he didn't have a problem with the film's themes
It's a film about going against big corporations. Of fricking course he has a problem with it
And for that very reason, you will never see it
I'm more surprised that it wasn't shitcanned in the pre-production phases with the anti-corporation themes it has. Does the upper management only look at the scripts and themes of the movies they greenlight as soon as they finish dumping millions into getting the whole movie made or something?
Toby Emmerich was the former CEO before Zas and he was kind of a bro doucebag, not a traditional suit.
Ok, I'll be more clear
There is a 100% completed movie in Warner Bros' back pocket. They could release the movie, but if it underperforms they wont make their costs back.
With a tax write off, Warner will recover some of the production costs as a tax break, but not all of the costs. This option is attractive for projects the executives think will underperform
In this case, all the publicity around the movie got distributors lining up to buy the rights to either put it in theaters or on their own streaming platforms. If Warner took this option they'd get a guaranteed payout no matter how the film performs. But if the film turned out to be a huge draw, Warner wouldn't be the one pocketing the profits
In this case, we know for a fact that one of the companies interested in the distribution rights for this movie offered higher than the movie's production costs. Thats guaranteed more money than Warner would get in a tax write off
We also know that the executives of Warner, a publicly traded company, have a duty to their shareholders to not frick around and waste money.
So there is no fiduciary reason for the Warner Bros company to turn down an offer of a bigger payday from a private company in exchange for a lower payday from the federal government
The only reasons left are personal, then. Zaslav doesn't want to risk this movie making money and so making it look like he makes bad decisions as the one in charge. Or they don't want to help a competitor make money, which also makes Zaslav look bad
If they knew for sure that this movie was a stinker, they'd let the competitor scoop it up. It would give Warner the payout they need while also hurting their competitors. That would be a corporate win
>box office
I thought this movie was direct to streaming
I felt like an insane man watching so called film experts cry about how this was gonna be the second of coming of christ. It looks like absolute shit.
>Zaslav glazing
Then just put in on Max.
Cute bait, any recent news on Coyote Vs Acme?
Apparently its still available for a potential buyer
Place your bets. In the off chance that this movie finds a buyer, who would it realistically be? I'm debating between Amazon MGM or Universal.
Universal probably... APPARENTLY Amazon had already put a bid, but the Warner spokesman from the NYT article says no formal bids were placed just yet.
Then shelve it BEFORE going to production like everyone else. And if you step up to take over a job where a shitty production is too far down the pipe to cancel, just take the L and move on.
I get the feeling that this was a late hitting casualty of the WB/Discovery merger, it was greenlit under the old regime and flew under the radar for just long enough to finish production before Zas and his handpicked crony heading up the animation division turned their baleful eyes on it for the first time.
It would have been mid
At most to be honest, that is shitty to just make a whole movie and refuse to release it. Even the worst movie ever had passion put into it
Its not the crews fault that they got stuck with a low tier script becuase all of the bigger ones are either in dev hell or need to make a bazillion bug people bucks
this dumb movie has gotten to the point to where if it actually does get released, people are going to force themselves to like it no matter what.
it can be the shittiest movie ever and people will still say its good.
Im tired of studios being too lazy to do actual 2d animation so they just do cgi but have it look cheap and have black lines over it to look 2d maybe zaslav was right to delete this it looks as bad as that shitty tom and jerry movie from a few years ago that no one remembers i dont get why the lost media people keep saying this movie shouldve never been cancelled because it probably wouldve been shit