TMNT still around while Woody is only relevant in Brazil, Flinstones only through cereal and vitamins, Dennis the Menace only known via /34/
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this really aged like Yak Milk
What's TMNT?
Ninja Turtles, moron.
I like the Flintstones though.
kinda sad when Dennis faded into near obscurity especially when '86 toon had Phil Hartman as Mr Wilson
you got this from Twitter op
95% of the content on this board is from Twitter
Truth nvke
>95% of the content on this site is from Twitter
Fixed. It's gotten so bad that the homosexuals are blatantly taking the headlines from these twitter posts and just put them in the subject line.
Twitter needs to be banned from Cinemaphile, and the admins should implement something that if you come from Twitter and then make a post on Cinemaphile within the next 24 hours of accessing Twitter, you get banned for 30 days.
>admins should track internet history and ban 95% of their userbase
Yes.
It would help with the thirdies who don't follow the rules and constantly raise shit in every thread.
That's what the report button is for, mods do not monitor threads. If someone gets caught for reposting twitter shit they should get reported and then banned.
TMNT came out during the first generation of people whose entire personality was the media they consumed when they were 6, and they continued their brand loyalty into adulthood.
Dennis got the worst of it when he got supplanted by Bart.
Dennis was never as big as Charlie Brown.
It was Fred that was supplanted by Homer.
Fred was just cartoon Ralph Kramden
And Jackie Gleason hated The Flintstones for ripping him off.
really?
Yeah, he almost sued HB for plagiarism and probably would have won. He only backed down when his agent told him that getting rid of a popular show like Flintstones would have been bad for his image
And Bart got supplanted by Cartman.
>Bart got supplanted by Cartman.
Who was Cartman's replacement?
Rick from Rick and Morty
Finn or Ben Tennyson.
Ash.
Bart was specifically created because Groening found Dennis to be underwhelming for what he was called
if he only saw UK Dennis..
That was the 1959 series, he was rowdy in the comics at the time.
>With TMNT that has never been the case.
>With Flintstones you're forgetting about 7 Grand Dad and they're the only reason why anyone gives a shit about Love Live in the west.
>Kids still recognize Woody Woodpecker and American Dennis.
>With TMNT that has never been the case.
What do you mean? For the past 20 years there's always been TMNT media out there, they're objectively icons recognizable to everyone of all ages.
Not the case, new content means nothing.
Why not? New content gets new audiences and keeps the IP relevant.
>Kids still recognize Woody Woodpecker and American Dennis.
Woody Woodpecker yes thanks to Universal Studios and stuff, but Dennis the Menace? Nah, in fact I just tested this out with a young nephew, he had no idea who Dennis was.
>TMNT came out during the first generation of people whose entire personality was the media they consumed when they were 6, and they continued their brand loyalty into adulthood.
Are you going to tell me John K didn't base his entire identity around 60s H-B cartoons?
>Are you going to tell me John K didn't base his entire identity around 60s H-B cartoons?
John K is an outlier, though. Most other literal boomers wouldn't put HB merchandise all over their house the way he does. If they did they'd be a "character", like how John Waters' character in the Simpsons was a pop culture savvy collector.
Meanwhile you have Gen Xers wearing star wars merch in their late 40's and having merch all over their house and on their cars.
You're right but because TMNT hit full swing years after franchises like Transformers, He-Man & GI Joe, it feels like a different generation if you lived it. However, it's all in the 1980s and it's the movement why people still know pro wrestlers from then but can't name many if any from the '60s & '70s.
There's actually a different reason for Pro wrestling
pro wrestling was VERY territorial before the 80s
Fiefdoms before 2001.
Dennis is fricked because Bart, Beavis and Butthead, the South Park kids, and Stewie supplanted him
Yeah, but Dennis is a byproduct of his age. He can't compete with the shit Bart has pulled over the years, let alone Cartman or Stewie being outright murderers and psychos. You'd need to rework him from the start to make him relevant again.
You're partly right, but every generation of kids since then has also gotten into the Turtles because there's always a new show, movie and/or toyline to get them hooked. The Flintstones relied on reruns for too long, they haven't done a reboot to remind kids of today that they exist outside of cereal commercials, a major blunder on WB's part. Same for Woody and Dennis, kids today probably wouldn't even recognize them.
Woody had revival cartoons in 1999 and 2018, and Flintstones partially lives on thanks to the 7 Grand Dad meme.
Wow those people from 1988-89 must feel silly now.
Most of them are retired or dead
Dennis the Menace was never good.
kys triphomosexual
Based and true, amerifat here but the british one looked funnier to me
woody's hot
>tl;dr, TMNT is not evergreen.
TMNT is the most evergreen property of these three, ironically.
>Universal is trying to do something with Woody but if you ask me they should use him and the other Lantz characters in Despicable Me movies.
>Yes I'm extremely aware that Lantz Oswald was used in Hop as the main character, except that he wasn't called Oswald in Hop because Disney bought the name (he didn't go public domain until 2023) and Hop only exists because Disney made bank on their Oswald and Universal wanted to case in on it, but since Oswald is now Public Domain they can try another attempt of using Lantz Oswald.
>Flintstones is also remembered for 7 Grand Dad and SiLvaGunner as well (without The Flintstones the west wouldn't give a rats ass about Love Live), and one of the most expensive NES games to exist.
>Dennis got muddled because people found out about British Dennis and they like him more because he's a actual menace instead of a troublemaker like how American Dennis is, but people do still care about American Dennis the Menace.
It's only evergreen if it stays the same for 99% of it's entire life, TMNT isn't evergreen as it keeps on changing with every version.
SpongeBob however is evergreen.
Mickey Mouse is evergreen (excluding the Paul Rudish shorts of course).
Looney Tunes since 1935 is evergreen (as before 1935 they were Disney knock offs).
Popeye is evergreen.
Tom and Jerry is evergreen.
But TMNT isn't.
He got replaced with Liko because by Diamond and Pearl everyone hated him, also Pokémon stopped being evergreen by X & Y because they started to change everything up by then.
Mario however is still mostly evergreen as only the 3D games keep on changing.
Zelda Stopped being Evergreen with Breath of The Wild and is now experimenting with the IP.
Kirby is evergreen.
Metroid is evergreen.
That was Animaniacs and later Tiny Toon Adventures, and they was never big enough to get a game (thank god).
A troublemaker? The US Dennis I know best isn't even that. He's just some innocent and naive kid who couldn't even be menacing to a fly.
Try early on in the comics, he got watered down in his later years.
UK Dennis remains for the most part a raging little smegger.
True.
>Pokémon stopped being evergreen by X & Y because they started to change everything up by then.
All because everybody in Japan was so fricking mad at how Ash still lost royally in Kalos despite every advantage handed to him on a silver platter that the anime staff was literally getting death threats. It's why Alola dropped adapting the Sun/Moon plot and became a school arc, it's why the season after was about Ash taking on a student and jumping between regions on a whim, and it's why the season after that was about Ash finally getting his supreme victory before retiring as the main character with an "And his adventures continue..." tease.
And Ash get removed in the end because everyone wanted Pokémon to be like Digimon where the human cast gets completely replaced every year.
Everybody just wanted Ash to finally get a fricking League win, and not in some Special Olympics equivalent like the Orange League. Even after he won, they devoted the final episodes to showing how Ash's adventures will never end (and how the Rocket Trio will never stop chasing him and Pikachu), which keeps him open for guest appearances and special episodes.
They still got rid of him in the end.
By then, it was too late to matter.
To be real, Woody was a hellraiser which is why his final short from 52 had him getting punished in the end
You have to remember, this ad was from 1990. The TMNT cartoon was only like three years in and the movie was out
Flintstones was still being rerun at this time, and that was a cartoon that launched in 1960 so it was 30 years old by then.
Woody Woodpecker was around since the 1940, had a TV show that had five seasons within the course of 20 years (but the show and the theatrical shorts still kept getting rerun) so by that point he was a 50 year old franchise.
Currently TMNT looks more evergreen than either but that's because people managed to greenlit things that didn't completely lose money
Flintsones had the bad luck to be under frickin Warner Bros which mismanaged a lot of its properties and I'm not sure what Universal is doing with Woody
>I'm not sure what Universal is doing with Woody
Nothing, apart from maybe merch sales at their park. Woody, along with Felix, Fievel, and Littlefoot, are just lining the Universal trash bin along with failed Dreamworks movies.
Woody is still huge in Brazil.
due to the dub and nothing else
Anon, Brazil is weird as frick. Chavo del Ocho is the second coming of Jesus in there, while Mexicans haven't given a frick about him since the mid 00s when the cartoon premiered and everyone hated it.
Dennis used to be the mascot for DQ
A Cranky Neighbor draws near. Command?
What?
I think he's making a Dragon Quest joke.
>I'm not sure what Universal is doing with Woody
So you didn't watch the movie that just came out?
I'm not wrong. Universal's output for animation is wringing the Minions, Dr Seuss, and Nintendo's properties of every cent while still pondering whether or not they'll revive Shrek finally. Woody's just an afterthought.
>So you didn't watch the movie that just came out?
Nope, and with that hairstyle, I'm less inclined to watch it.
>I'm not wrong.
No you're not wrong, since you said you don't know what they're doing with Woody and you don't. He had a movie, that's what they're doing with him. It's not like we're getting Flintstones or Dennis the Menace movies, but we're getting Woody movies in 2024. That's something. It looks like complete shit, but that's two movies in the past few years. He had one in 2017 too.
Flintstones gets direct to dvd movies fairly frequently, but yeah no one has heard from Dennis the menace in two decades
>No you're not wrong, since you said you don't know what they're doing with Woody and you don't.
You were talking to a completely different anon. I hadn't posted anything after
and didn't know they had a second movie, and forgot he even had a live-action movie years ago.
So this was just an ad about boomers seething that new thing bad old thing good. Lol
No different from Boomers seething over anime taking over the west in the 2000s and made all of those anti anime propaganda clips in shows/mags.
>So this was just an ad about boomers seething that new thing bad old thing good. Lol
Silenters, not boomers.
No it's not, far from it in fact.
Speaking as an aging 90's kid, they were right in that those three properties managed to make it to the end of the 90's while TMNT died for a while.
TMNT was off the TV entirely after the next mutation. I don't know anyone my age who watched the cartoon show outside of VHS tapes before online uploads. It's always been strange to me how no networks picked up the 87 cartoon after it finished it's run.
Flintstones managed to stay sort of relevant in terms of the media and the vitamins/cereal. The movie was fairly popular and the characters were in CN marketing.
Woody woodpecker got a brief revival on Fox Kids
Not so much the cartoon, but the Dennis the Menace movie was always popular in movie days in school.
Naturally after 2003 this wasn't the case. But it did take the TMNT reinventing themselves to really reach evergreen status.
The USA cable channel did pick up the 1987 cartoon
Did it air after 96 though?Seems like that's when the block was taken off the air.
>TMNT was off the TV entirely after the next mutation. I don't know anyone my age who watched the cartoon show outside of VHS tapes before online uploads. It's always been strange to me how no networks picked up the 87 cartoon after it finished it's run.
I think it was because networks were either:
>getting away from Saturday morning cartoons
NBC dumped cartoons in 1992, CBS I think dumped most cartoons by 1997
>went all-in on anime
Fox
>had their own stuff
Kids WB, with WB-related cartoons, ABC with Disney
There could be other reasons that we don't know about, though
>went all-in on anime
Fox also had Power Rangers which was still big at the time.
That too.
>It's always been strange to me how no networks picked up the 87 cartoon after it finished it's run.
I kind of wonder if it was also because Peter Laird wanting to get away from 87 and Next Mutation and the Image Comics run and all that.
If you look at this:
https://turtlepedia.fandom.com/wiki/Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles_(2001_TV_series_pitch)
Mirage was already trying to pitch a slightly more comic-inspired cartoon to WB back in 2001. WB passed on it. Keep in mind, the Mirage revival of the comic itself also happened in late 2001
Laird had no control over what FW did with the franchise, though, it's why Nick never actually owned the show until the last year or so. They had the rights to use the likenesses(but they had to make their own, not the exact model sheets as the original), but Laird never took control of the FW rights before the sale to Nick.
It think it's more like FW studios has been like Harmony Gold where they're just a single office of 10 part time employees squatting on a license. So they just never pushed to sell the show in syndication because thy weren't equipped to.
Flintstones had that comic a few years back
Let's see is there are more potshots to tutles
There's that English dub of Samurai Pizza Cats theme in the 90s
It was Battletoads' aggressive, anti-TMNT, marketing that ensured I'd never be a fan.
I've never been a fan of the way #2 companies tend to do edgy ads, mocking and insulting the #1 company.
Frick off, Pepsi; instead of insulting Coke, just be the best you can be and let your product speak for itself. Burger King, is it really the best move to mention a better fast food joint in all of your commercials? I get it, Sega, you wish you were number one, but shit-talking Nintendo isn't going to make me buy another console.
It all just comes off as a small dog, yapping and nipping at the heels of the big dog. That kind of marketing has never made me interested in a product, ever.
You know what would have made me more interested in Battletoads? If the game had actually worked. Maybe if they'd done some beta-testing, instead of concentrating their efforts on smack-talking a giant that was too big to even notice them, their game would have been functional in two-player mode.
Also, anyone who knew the TMNT from the Mirage comics would have laughed at the notion that the toads were the darker, more violent, more badass team. Hell, even the Archie TMNT make the toads look like posturing try-hards.
Besides, what kind of douche-nozzle sees marketing that slams the characters they're a fan of and says, "Hey, they called my boys, and me by association, a bunch of pussies, maybe I should by their product!" Frick off.
Yes, Sega does do what Nintendon't... which is occupy the number two spot until Sony's PS1 comes along to eat everyone's lunch.
>by
buy
Damn typo.
turbo tunnel being a prime example
>turbo tunnel being a prime example
Yup. There were literally show-stopping bugs that made the game impossible to complete in two-player. Not difficult, but player-two's-controller-will-stop-working-during-stage-11 impossible to finish without reprogramming the game.
The biggest joke of the Battletoads marketing was that they were trying to say "We're better than the thing we're blatantly riding the coattails of." Dude, don't try to tell me you're better, when you're a low-effort clone.
>And about Battletoads one thing that seriously hurts this property is how the characters have disgusting names.
THIS. Beyond 8-year-old boys, who was impressed by that shit?
It still had problems in the Genesis Version (Thus my problem with the Turbo Tunnel). Ironically it was co-produced by Arc System Works (of Guilty Gear fame)
Agreed. All the Ninja Turtles rip offs ended up crashing and burning. Even if they got reboots they inevitably under performed and disappeared like Biker Mice. The only Ninja Turtles knock off that managed to be decent is Disney's Gargoyles.
And about Battletoads one thing that seriously hurts this property is how the characters have disgusting names.
Nah Disney's Gargoyles was more of their answer to Batman TAS
>And about Battletoads one thing that seriously hurts this property is how the characters have disgusting names.
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>Teennoids detected. You need to be 18 to post here.
Bizarre and moronic take, given that gross-out names usually only appeal to preteens.
Good loyal consumer!
>Good loyal consumer!
This is low-effort bait, but I have a few minutes to burn...
Nah, it's not even about brand loyalty. My family rarely ate fast food, so it's not like I gave a shit about McDonald's, either; I don't drink Coke or Pepsi; and I couldn't afford games for the console I already had, much less another whole-ass console.
I only mentioned any kind of loyalty in regard to the TMNT: Which, while they're a brand, was more about the BT marketing shitting on them as characters, not about brands.
I just don't like the aggressive, mud-slinging, type of marketing that companies tend to do when they're trying desperately to knock their competitor out of the #1 position. It's a turn-off. There's usually nothing compelling in the ads, about how and why their product is superior, it's just noisy posturing, trying to dupe you into buying something, based on #2 guy being a louder, more obnoxious, bully.
I ain't falling for that.
The thing you miss is that the marketing works on people who like to be bullies themselves and have some insecurity.
The kids who called you a gay and a baby for liking ninja turtles, and then a nerd if you talk to them about "ackshually the Mirage comics-"
>The thing you miss
I wouldn't say I've missed it, as it IS something I've considered.
However, I would be guilty of preferring to believe there are more people like me and fewer bullies in the world, thus making this type of marketing anti-productive.
I could be very wrong about that, but until I see some convincing numbers, I'll just believe what I want.
OK Zoom Zoom.
>OK Zoom Zoom.
Ha, as much as I'd love to be about twenty years younger, I'm part of Gen X. But, please, don't stop being a drooling moron on my account and, by all means, use accusations of youth in place of making any kind of argument or point, whatsoever.
SEGA did displace Nintendo on the top spot in the US for a brief time until the release of the SNES, and considering how all the other competitors failed dismally (Atari, Neo-Geo) the fact that it was able to turn the console market into a two (and later three horse) race does count for something.
In your face, aggressive marketing was just a thing at the time, and it’s not as though the big boys didn’t punch down either.
and a mascot that broke away from the usual rescue-the-damsel routine
Heh
Neo Geo was not a failure, it was always expected to be a niche home release of an arcade system that did extremely well.
It's not that serious. You sound autistic
>You sound autistic
I'm not surprised you think that; many autistic people have such a poor understanding of speech and social cues, that they perceive others as being autistic, especially after 'evaluating' a single post on a message board.
Captcha: YW8JMP (Why wait, jump.)
I have a little more respect for when Sega did it, because they legitimately managed to establish their own identity and kinda have their own market niche by having less censorship in their games. Genesis Mortal Kombat being the one with real blood was a big deal
Sega's whole "Genesis does what Nintendon't" shit is the whole reason why "console wars" as a concept exists in the first place.
Frick em
For some reason, marketing and advertising firms thought that having their inferior product sling shit at the popular thing would make them seem cooler and it never really worked, because it's an overt expression of insecurity. They have nothing to offer. They can't compete. They are unsuccessfully trying to imitate more popular media. All they've got is playground trash talk.
>it's an overt expression of insecurity.
>All they've got is playground trash talk.
Bingo. That's more or less exactly how I felt about it.
Even if Sega was eventually able to back up some of the smack talk, I still wasn't impressed.
>Genesis Mortal Kombat being the one with real blood was a big deal
Definitely. I've never been a fan of the series (I preferred the character designs of SF2 to the digitized actors of MK), but I did think Nintendo's insistence on censoring games was lame. For many guys my age, the blood being in the Genesis version was a big selling point.
>The first Battletoads game was great
Subjective opinion. If the marketing hadn't already soured me, I still wouldn't have been a fan of the game. The only reason I did play it was because my mother rented a copy for my brother and I.
What is fact is that the game had a fatal bug that made it literally impossible to complete in two-player mode.
>you just never got passed the turbo tunnels is all.
Bitch, please. Battletoads wasn't special or unique, difficulty-wise; there's a reason the phrase "Nintendo Hard" exists. Once my brother gave up trying to do two-player, I was able to win on single player, before the rental had to be returned.
Al Unser Jr.'s Turbo Racing gave me a harder time than the clone toads.
>It never worked
SEGA dominating the American market until Donkey Kong Country's release and then Sony's own shit talk with the Banjo commercials on NoA's parking lot say otherwise.
Toshinden dropped the ball though
Ands Sony moving PlayStation to California.
>SEGA dominating the American market until Donkey Kong Country's release
Sega surged early, but even at their best, they couldn't reach how much the SNES sold even with their ads.
It was because of the SNES doing banger numbers that they rushed out the SEGA CD, which was a stupid fricking idea but I digress, to say nothing about how they bungled the Saturn in the west
The first Battletoads game was great, you just never got passed the turbo tunnels is all.
>Burger King, is it really the best move to mention a better fast food joint in all of your commercials?
BK is better than McDonalds, food-wise.
McDonalds is better, but Wendy's both mogs them.
Battletoads, like many of Rare's pre-Donkey Kong Country games (and a few of the post-DKC ones), was literally a bunch of cheeky Brits mocking and dissing their own consumer base.
And now all they're known for is a Gamestop meme.
Ok?
...And that shitty CN Reboot-lite 2020 game that killed the series.
At least they got new figures.
Fred would demolish shredder with his prehistoric Neanderthal strength
something tells me the studio bigwigs took that personally
(and that's why every cartoon run recently is so short)
Ow
TMNT 1990 got released shortly after this and that movie was very succesful in the box office so, yeah, oops.
Dennis the Menace was a box office bomb while The Flintstones was a guilty pleasure at best. Dunno about Woody Woodpecker but he was far too late in the game
>Animated strips
I know that the word cartoon comes from stuff like comic strips, but did they really call animated cartoons "strips" at some point?
Sounds like some clueless executive speak. Which would fit the context of the ad really
Pardon my ignorance but what about yak milk specifically made you specify that
Also yeah, I wouldn't have remembered who the two left ones were if you hadn't said in the post. Flintstones are still very iconic, though.
yak milk smells something awful when under a hot July sun
>bad
i prefer the term stale
I prefer the term diaharea dog shit!
rumors are dreamworks tv is making a felix cartoon with wildbrain entertainment
>Dennis the Menace only known via /34/
What the frick does that mean? The rule? 🙁
he knew what he was talking about. It sucks that while the comic strip still exists, it's remembered only thru the modern day tiujuana bibles
Where the frick do you think you are right now? Stupid bot.
I think im in ya mums house making a glazed fricking donut with sprinkles ontop
New Woody movie is actually fun.
>The Program Exchange
So that’s what that logo at the end of 80’s Dennis the Menace was about.
I hated this as a child, it scared me.
Why would they make such a strange noise like that?
Some MKUltra/psyop shit I guess.
It's more just that synths were trendy during the 80s. And for whatever reason corporations liked to deliberately posture themselves as imposing and monolithic.
less harsh version
>I hated this as a child, it scared me.
I've heard a lot of kids were scared of the Screen Gems logo, but I don't think I encountered it much as a child.
I was a big fan of this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pD4LQAKB-YA but that was mostly due to what usually followed it, like animated specials.
Definitely showing my age here, but I rarely ever caught this on TV growing up. If anything I remember seeing it more online in the 2000s because every autistic gen xer under the sun uploaded all of this shit to youtube
>for whatever reason corporations liked to deliberately posture themselves as imposing and monolithic.
Honestly if anything I'd view the corporate posturing now as more imposing and monolithic given how fricking bland everything is now kek. No way would anyone do that crazy siren synth shit now
To be fair, the original Woody Woodpecker shorts and Flintstones episodes are still airing on broadcast TV to this day, almost daily.
The original TMNT pretty much disappeared from TV after 1995
So they have a point
only on metv
That's still more than any other cartoon
>Dennis the Menace only known via /34/
What the frick are you talking about
Oh you're really S.O.S.
chum if the recent amount of Dennis/Alice art doesn't give you hints, then you really need help.
Hehehehehe
Surprisingly Flintstones is still around. Barely, but this counts I guess. One of the strangest crossovers.
The program exchange were in deep the moment they syndicated Sailor Moon and DBZ
1998
TPE exec: no one wants to Fred, Woody, or Dennis anymore. What they want is school girls transforming into magic heroes and kung fu aliens turning mountains into rubble.
TPE Exec #2: Bad news. Our rivals got the rights to Pokemon
all that smack talk they used again turtles is useless against an electric mouse.
Sailor Moon was on syndication since 95 in the IS but only in Canada at first, DBZ in late 96, and they both bombed over there, it was ONLY when they were picked on by CN for Toonami that they started picking up steam, specially after the many times they repeated the same Ocean Dubbed episodes of DBZ (going back to Radditz Arrival from when Goku beats up Recoome), in fact around late 98/Early 99 is when these shows finally got new episodes but with WILDY different (and MUCH worse) voice cast, for crying out loud, this was when Sailor moon got her infamous 3rd english voice, the cloverway dub..... the "meatball head" one.
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yeah dubs are "bad" and all, but the way the 90's Sailor Moon dub has been scrubbed from official sources is insane.
old shame since the original dubbers went out of business.
Ironic that Miss Hawkes would voice another character in Bee & Puppycat
But that wasnt Terry Hawkes, that was Linda Ballantyne, infamous for the way she voiced Serena due to Cloverwar's direction.also geez, did Tracey Moore t.rooned out or something, she looks like a man!
>TMNT still around
yeah flopping after dregrading themselves to apeal to zoomers, better to be a cereal mascot than that
Nobody cares about them turtles anymore though
40th anniversary special by IDW says otherwise
And I say otherwise to that, so there.
Enjoy incest and e-girl because there's nothing really going for Dennis
They just had a video game recently and a new one on the way. They're still on tv.
But not the 1987 ones.
MVS did well.
AES did not.
Dennis' audience is moribund as the comic strip is the only thing keeping him alive.
still tingles the skin
Dennis the Menace deserves to be forgotten.
>Creator ignored his family and his son with undiagnosed developmental issues
>Creates strip based off his wife nagging about his son
>wife drinks herself to death
>marries his secretary
>ships irl Dennis to boarding school
>becomes millionaire off sitcom version
>irl Dennis gets drafted into Nam
>irl Dennis dies penniless
>Dennis the Menace
https://wondermark.com/the-comic-strip-doctor-dennis-the-menace/
>> Real Dennis went to 'Nam
Gott in Himmel, he never had a chance, did he?
Oh that's beyond messed up. Probably got baked from fighting in that hellscape
https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Dennis_Ketcham
>Sitcom Dennis was verbally and physically abused as a child actor, to the point of fantasizing killing his parents thru drawing them getting killed and trying to develop killer psychic powers
wtf
To be fair Woody has just gotten some weird half-live action Netflix movie.
But yeah, DTM is fricking dead and WB doesn't know what the frick to do with the Flinestones while TMNT are getting a new show based on that hideous piece of shit from last year, a sequel to said piece of shit from next year, and an R-rated adaptation of a recent comic miniseries. And crossovers out the ass.
Is it just me, or were TV shows made before the 90s fricking terrible? Animation quality aside, the writing was terrible and generic, the jokes were rarely actually funny, and they were just plain boring. Most of these Saturday morning cartoons are just unwatchable and rightfully forgotten, but even the "classic" Hannah-Barbera cartoons are pretty bland compared to more recent cartoons. Things seem to have gotten better in the 80s, but there were still way too many stinkers and even the "good" shows aren't that good. Don't get me wrong, there's plenty of bad modern cartoons, but on average they're better than what my parents used to watch. Note that this doesn't apply to theatrical shorts like Looney Tunes or Tom and Jerry, those still hold up.
What changed, why did cartoons suck so much back then and why did they get better? Or do you think I'm wrong and in your opinion these old cartoons were awesome?
Part of the reason is because TV cartoons had to work with a smaller budget than theatrical cartoons and needed to cut corners. You can see this in how like 40s Woody Woodpecker looks vastly superior to 60s TV Woody Woodpecker and even fricking 50s Famous Studios Popeye (some steps down from Fleischer era Popeye) looks vastly superior to 60s TV Popeye
I kinda think it was a slow process for TV cartoons to get better. What really helped was they also reran the old theatrical cartoons side-by-side with the Made For TV cartoons so the most observant kids with art talent would've noticed a vast quality gap and then go into animation.
But what really changed things might've been:
>Michael Eisner pushing for a television animation department in the mid-80s, leading to Gummi Bears and DuckTales
>Who Framed Roger Rabbit, which eventually led to Spielberg and Disney funding other TV cartoon efforts
>John K, Bruce Timm, Bob Camp, Lynne Naylor, etc wanting to do better cartoons
I'm sure there's more but it felt like there was a bunch of things going on during the 80s and 90s
Unfortunately it created the cartoons are for kids mentality in the U.S.
You're on the money anon. It's really just more that our culture changed. After a while we just demanded more. American culture used to be squeaky clean mainstream wise until around The Simpsons came out, then people slowly stopped giving so much of a frick. Older parents were way too scared of what their kids watched, and the broadcasters were under stranglehold by insane Christian mom groups and guidelines. Therefore Saturday mornings were a chaos-free zone. Many of the shows suffered from it, as cartoons are inherently wacky and off the wall. Then people like John K, Mike Judge and Matt Groening got pissed off and made real shit.
Eventually America realized the world sucked, gen X wanted their MTV, and millenials wanted to be more like Bart Simpson than kids in 80s sitcoms. The veil dropped. Here we are today. It's also why entertainment sucks as much as it does now too. No limits. Now it's just chaos. Kids could probably use those 80s cartoons now, learn a few life lessons. They sure ain't learning that from Skibidi toilet.
Plenty of cartoons, especially Disney, still have valuable life lessons, they just don't feel the need to have a PSA at the end of the episode where the MC breaks the fourth wall and tells the kids at home to recycle and not do drugs or whatever.
Times change
You don't hear me going on about the Yellow Kid
The biggest mistake the company made was claiming to be there forever
Remember that Real Ghostbusters episode that was pretty much writers seething about TMNT being popular?
Which one?
Mean Green Teen Machine
Woody Woodpecker is popular in all of LatAm not just Brazil, they used to air it all the time back when Fox Kids was a thing, everyone knows Woody and Chilly Willy even if they find them annoying
I think the 40s and 50s shorts were fun, the 90s cartoon wasn't as good but I won't call it shit
It is also getting a new Netflix movie, it looks like shit, but he's getting one
The Rise of the Ninja Turtles cartoon AKA the lastest cartoon in that franchise did so poorly that it was cancelled with only 39 episodes, the shortest out of all the TMNT shows by far, the latest movie also did poorly (the one with the morbidly obese black April O' Neil) but it did manage to get it's money back
>the shortest out of all the TMNT shows by far
Animated that is
>The Rise of the Ninja Turtles cartoon AKA the lastest cartoon in that franchise did so poorly that it was cancelled with only 39 episodes
It was the worst one so far so it makes sense
>evergreen
what a bullshit term.
TMNT is only liked by millennial manchildren gays.
All of the merch being sold to kids says otherwise.