this moron really thinks egyptians used telekinesis and other psychic powers to build pyramids
this retard really thinks egyptians used telekinesis and other psychic powers to build pyramids
this moron really thinks egyptians used telekinesis and other psychic powers to build pyramids
hes israeli and a liar
False. He’s guilty of miscegenation but he isn’t a israelite. What lies has he told?
hes literally israeli and his israeli friends spend decades installing him as the "alt history" leader for a reason.
thats why he is shilled by israeli netflix and every israeli mainstream podcast.
and he lies about many things, he didnt write his own books for example and he also lies about the whole Atlantis story.
>no examples
Ok moshe
He's a journalist, but I repeat what you said.
I just love his whiney lispy intonation. He comes off as a closet gay but also somehow very based. He’s selling snake oil directly to your face and you’re indulging in the kayfabe because it makes basedcucks like and
seethe and dilate.
>NOOO YOU CAN’T BELIEVE COUNTER NARRATIVES
Archeology is a fake and gay science and I’m glad this homosexual is attacking it head on.
Also this homosexual…
Guy is a grifter. Same as people like Jordan Peterson and Avi Loeb. They make shit up because it sells books. That's it. He likely doesn't believe in any of it.
Most of his 90's works should be a testament as to why you shouldn't take him seriously. He literally wrote a book based on a grainy pop photo from Nasa and proclaimed it supported the evidence of the history of not only a robust ecosystem, but intelligent life.
>hes israeli and a liar
Just frick off leave already.
That was jidf well poisoning though
All journalists are pests and liars.
This includes Hanwiener.
End of.
OK, now address why you called him a israelite. That’s a serious accusation to make against someone, I’m sure you have evidence.
I like it. I don't care, I think it's fun to think the great pyramid was built over some pre-existing neolithic monument and that the sphinx is from some unknown super-old ancient culture from before the Egyptians.
alien frequency modulation tech
they're setting up the groundwork for a masonic globalist hand hold bullshit religion imo. randall carlson is also a mason and he's a mason lite in a cult that allows you to join without a wife iirc.
Oh look jidf is well poisoning
The Younger Deadass doe my homie. Atlantean cataclysm killed half the real homies and the other half fled to Agartha ong.
>telekinesis
not true. he said they use frequency modulation tech like "magic" chanting.
Why do you think chanting is a thing in every ancient culture or religion around the globe?
>chanting is present in many cultures
>????
>therefore chanting is for excercising an esoteric telekinetic power
correct. It was 15 thousand years ago. Now its just some gays hollering
and nothing about physics is "esoteric"
Can you explain the physical mechanism by which a bunch of dudes chanting can levitate 10 ton stone blocks?
no I can't. Its like reverse engineering GTA V into raw C++ code. If I could explain it I would move building with my voice. What a weird question bro.
Only thing we can try is to reinvent it completely new
>its just physics, nothing esoteric about it
>no I can't explain anything about it
Lol okay tard
yea Its physics we dont understand. How is that a new concept for you? I also can't explain dark energy and its source to you right now.
wtf
>It's physics that haven't been explained, measured, or understood
May as well say magic next time
Yeah acoustic waves in media can affect objects in the same media, so how does that translate to a bunch of ancient sand people moving giant blocks by chanting?
okay. quantum fields, dark energy and dark matter are "magic".
Unless you explain dark energy and its source RIGHT NOW I have to think of you as a troll.
Not that guy but dark energy is the offset of the inherent energy of empty space
thats not a scientific explanation.
thats as good as 3 monks chant a pyramid in the air
Quantum stuff is largely hypotheses built off observed phenomena(like casimir effect and such), dark energy or dark matter(dont remember which) is just a stand in for an excess of observed gravitational force in certain regions of the observed universe that, by our current models, dont fit. Basically just a variable attributed to fill in the gap temporarily and then hypotheses are made up around that, but idk if theres any novel predictions that have been confirmed about anything through that. The ancient societies using tonal magic stuff is just a made up explanation for the seeming impossibility of them constructing such things with the tech we currently understand they had. The jump from
>frequencies can be used to move things, and chanting is prevalent in ritual practices
To
>therefore they used chanting to move heavy stone objects
Would need to be justified, otherwise it just rests among basically infinite possible explanations that we can post hoc using similar explanatory jumps
> Yeah acoustic waves in media can affect objects in the same media, so how does that translate to a bunch of ancient sand people moving giant blocks by chanting?
Not the discoveries I’m referring to, rabbi.
>It's physics that haven't been explained, measured, or understood
that's like 60% of the field my guy
they're still coping with dark energy/dark matter for why their models are wrong about everything
Can you explain the papers written about using sound to move objects within the last few years?
I'd be willing to bet large sums of money the objects they move are considerable smaller than massive rocks and the sounds used have frequencies that human vocal tracts can't produce.
Did anyone here watch the YouTube guy History for a Granite?
It seems the guy has made more discoveries in 2 years from just looking at pictures and videos of rocks, than any professionals have made in 30 years.
to have your mind truly blown you should check out the Land of Chem youtube channel.
dude figured out what the pyramids were for
What does he think they were for?
I just clicked through some of his deranged ramblings and he basically suggests they were giant chemical reactors for whatever reason
Lot's of the conclusions that guy draws are not really supported by the evidence he shows. His latest video is a fricking joke. The big reveal in the end makes absolutely no sense.
>shafts were opened only when construction finished
>this means they have to be airshafts and can't be religious because it just does, okay?
He does admit that it's weird that they are air shafts when they weren't openend until after building was finished. But he did say there will be a follow-up video where he explains it.
I think he will argue that the chamber was used for worship at least some time, before the grand Gallery was plugged.
Which is something I would agree with. The other explanations make no sense.
He correctly points out that with the outer casing, the shafts pointed sideways or downwards, most certainly not at the stars. Not to mention they are very rough and poorly dressed
The Pyramids are just big batteries
actually they were Chemical Plants.
here let me spoonfeed:
>Step Pyramid of Saqqara = Production and Collection of Methane Gas
>Red Pyramid of Dashur = Transforms Methane Gas into an Ammonium Solution
>Bent Pyramid = Transforms the liquid Ammonium Solution into a solid Ammonium based fertilizer
>Great Pyramid = Produces a dilute solution of sulfuric acid
>Central Pyramid of Giza = converts the sulfuric acid into hydrochloric acid
basically the Great Pyramid is a dialectric, lightning powered, acustic sonochemical catalyst chemical reactor that produced Sulfuric Acid for the strategic Leech mining of metallic ore deposits on the Giza Plataeu.
You can find travel blogs from the past few years about a distinct ammonia smell from the inside of the Red Pyramid. There's even theories that Fritz Haber was inspired by the Red Pyramid in his development of the Haber Bosch process for industrial production of ammonia. The theory that the pyramids were for the industrial production of chemicals is deep into the realm of speculation but is one of the more interesting hypotheses.
>deep into the realm of speculation
its actually pretty much confirmed now, try to keep up.
This is some schizo shit lmao
>therefore 1 x 1 cannot equal 1
I like the poured rock theories. The upper stones have a different microscopic structure, more similar to poured materials like concrete, than the clearly cut lower stones. The frickers poured the pyramid in place.
readymix homies RISE UP
ancient egypt never existed. It was built by freemasons, at most, 300 years ago
Our history books are full of lies, backed up with fake ruins and artifacts
Nope. He says we don’t know how they built them, which is correct. His preferred hypothesis is that they used sound, I think.
>this moron really thinks
No, before zoomers came along everyone knew he was a writer of /x/ tier semi-fiction.
he took too much ayahuasca and started believing in machine elves (unironically, read his books)
he was borderline credible before that point.
sad!
All the ancient civ stuff is obviously schizo horseshit but the machine elves are real, and they are my friends.
Machine elves are real entities btw
theres just one thing i dont understand, why not use the wet sand to build a castle with one of these instead of using rocks? are they stupid?
Pyramids were literally built in some far flung future and sent back through time, like in TENET. Its literally the only theory that makes sense.
It was actually dinosaurs that made all those megaliths. It's obvious when you think about it. Of course they could have moved around those stones, they were huge.
wtf I'm a liberal now, thanks OP!
Just a hippie boomer pretending to be a scientist, new age homosexuals love that shit, ancient aliens etc because they believe they're being revolutionary
The pyramids are not some impossible feat beyond our understanding. The obelisks were a much greater mystery to us and we found out in recent years that they could have been built in the bronze age quite effectively using the sand elevator technique.
>the sand elevator technique
Sounds like some Minecraft shit
So how were they built?
>we don't know how the pyramids were built
This refers to the fact there is no evidence to how EXACTLY they build the pyramids. We have lots of perfectly easy explanation for how they did things with their level of technology, we just don't have any proof for one specific method.
morons think the first statement means we don't understand how they could have build the pyramids back then.
We couldn't build the great pyramid of giza today.
Yes we could but there would be no financial incentive for that in our hypercapitalist society.
The Pyramids were built by the Dynastic Egyptians who were agrarian. Not hunter gatherers.
This dumb homie has never worked a day of construction in his life but takes the word of other pencil necked geeks about how they think working men built the pyramids. Frick your mom for drinking while she was pregnant.
> We have lots of perfectly easy explanation for how they did things with their level of technology
List them
>ramps
>ropes
>counterweights
>lots of people
What exactly about the pyramids can't be build like that?
Friendly reminder that pic related was build in the 1500s and people don't makeup shizo stories about it being aliens
You dont know shit about construction.
Gigantic rooms are multiple oders of magnitude more difficult to construct than a pile of fricking rocks. The point is that they are you can built crazy things with comparatively simple techniques.
And St. Peters Basilica was build hundreds of years before newtonian physics or calculus.
Go levitate my nuts with you telekinetic powers you subhuman homosexuals
This. Pyramids are literally the easiest thing to build if you want to make something tall and stable. That's why they're so ubiquitous in ancient cultures
that or..
>pile of rocks
>doesn't know what pyramids are
>thinks he can discuss them
Dunning-Kruger effect at work!
Arch sissies kneel before megalith chads. Still waiting on your pyramid construction techniques btw.
>construction knowledge and methods were the same in 1500 AD as it was in 2500 BC
some of those European monuments were built around the same time as Mesoamerican ones and we don't have any strange theories about the latter. I wonder why.
>unable to list anything valid
Oh dear.
>compares something apples to oranges
Idiot.
How were Egyptians able to move those massive blocks then? Huh?
All the most brilliant people were also the most insane and moronic.
This is Paracelsus, a hermetic alchemist, or proto chemist; also the greatest natural physician of his day, and a father of mineral medicinals.
He believed he could produce a slave creation, or a familiar of sorts—the Homunculus—by ejaculating into a chicken egg, or worse.
— ‘That the sperm of a man be putrefied by itself in a sealed cucurbit for forty days with the highest degree of putrefaction in a horse's womb ["venter equinus", meaning "warm, fermenting horse dung"[2]], or at least so long that it comes to life and moves itself, and stirs, which is easily observed. After this time, it will look somewhat like a man, but transparent, without a body. If, after this, it be fed wisely with the Arcanum of human blood, and be nourished for up to forty weeks, and be kept in the even heat of the horse's womb, a living human child grows therefrom, with all its members like another child, which is born of a woman, but much smaller.’ [3]:328–329
The original coomer, if you will.
I’m going to throw up from reading just 1/3 of thwt
And today we have chinese geneticists making human-pig hybrids
This. Galileo thought he could read the future in the stars, Newton thought israeli architecture was divine, and Pythagoras vehemently disparaged bean eaters.
>Pythagoras vehemently disparaged bean eaters
Why tho?
There is nothing wrong with mad science or unhinged scientific thinkers. True science is irresponsible. Safe science is stifling.
This mad dood was fricking horses
Captcha: ggggwg
Or he was fricking with people.
hey, someone had to try. low stakes, high reward
>This is Paracelsus, a hermetic alchemist, or proto chemist; also the greatest natural physician of his day, and a father of mineral medicinals.
Also, the greatest fricking nutcase of his day
>never been debunked
Any of you jokers wouldn't even know where to start looking for proper cucurbit.
you seriously take a metaphor of spiritual alchemy as literal? lmao
My master…
Isn't everything an alchemist writes layered up in code words, symbols and deliberate misinformation? Surely he doesn't literally mean jizz into horse manure, then slow-cook it for weeks to manifest a mist golem. Surely it's all a ruse or recipe for tin plating... right?
maybe he was just a crazy man that liked making the 1500's version of Meth.
How do you know he's wrong? Have you ever tried it? Start thinking with your head you dimwit waste of space
A true wizard
Where do you think Nikola Tesla got his ideas from?.. The Pyramids were electric generators
How else would you build a pyramid? With a ramp? please
Reminder: hunter gatherers built this without using cranes or pulleys.
>Hunter-gatherers
They had agriculture. Hell, the whole reason most of these things were built in the first place was because the Nile cycle meant that all the farmers' fields would spend a season underwater. So they were employed as construction workers during that time.
/his/gays arebdumber than Cinemaphilegays. You learn something new everyday.
OK. Bronze age farmers built that without pulleys or cranes. Better? How does that make it more believable? Holy shit you people are dumb.
>it wasn't hunter gatherers
>they were farmers
>this means they knew advanced engineering and mathematics, which they learned by growing barley next to the Nile
this random dude moves literal tons of rock with stone age technology: https://youtu.be/E5pZ7uR6v8c?t=43
?si=5vT61ZP_g361ZpKi
Now
>quarry 2.3 million of them
>move them 50 miles
>cut those 2.3 million stones to size
>lift them and place them in a perfect pyramid (negligible margin of error)
>cover the whole thing in smooth casing stones that fit into one another
>in 30 years
Almost all of the stones were quarried on the Giza plateau, literally right next to the pyramids. Only the handful of granite stones and the casing stones were transported any distance.
I know this is really hard to understand for obese neets, but you can actually get quite a bit done if you work all day. Considering there is evidence for >10k people working continously on the pyramids those numbers line up pretty well
>uh uh there were lots of them!
Kek. It’s so amusing watching you plebbitors tie yourself in knots instead of just admitting and accepting that you don’t know how they were built.
Even a femoid project manager on a skyscraper wouldnt say something this stupid.
No, they actually weren't.
>work all day
with pic rel?
>fed only on a few mugs of beer
>just 2.5 tons
they had bronze chisels and stone axes.
>No, they actually weren't.
The Tura quarries are 13-17km from Giza.
You make it sound like that's close. They still have to move 2.5 ton blocks 13-17km without wheels, ON SAND.
Tell us the main thesis of that book.
Climate change grifter
Where does Hanwiener say aliens built the pyramids? He's making the case a cataclysm (like meteor impact) turned Mars from a lush planet into a desert planet.
>he was wrong about the nuclear war on mars
So? That discovery hadn’t been made then.
>You make it sound like that's close
Because it is, it's incredibly close. It's quite litereally within walking distance.
You've a watched a man move a 20 ton block by himself.
Now imagine thousands of men labouring under atrocious conditions moving 20 ton blocks for four months.
>atrocious conditions
But these were volounteer farmers working on the off season fed a quality diet of beef? Now suddenly it's atrocious conditions? Get your story straight.
Schrodinger's slave
> You've a watched a man move a 20 ton block by himself.
Where?
Give is the time span of the construction of the pyramids you fricking coward.
which ones
?
The great pyramid of Giza. The claim was that its not that hard since the quarry was only 15 km away. So in what time span were those 2.3 million stones moved from the quarry just to the building site.
WELL IT WASN'T HARRY POTTER ALIENS WITH MAGIC THAT'S FOR SURE
I am very smart.
Anon; what are you even trying to say here?
The quarry complex was in use during the fourth dynasty, if that's what you're strugggling to ask.
>they had bronze chisels and stone axes.
Egyptians had copper saws:
>In ancient Egypt, open (unframed) pull saws made of copper are documented as early as the Early Dynastic Period, c.3,100–2,686 BC.[4] Many copper saws were found in tomb No. 3471 dating to the reign of Djer in the 31st century BC.[5] Saws were used for cutting a variety of materials, including humans (death by sawing), and models of saws were used in many contexts throughout Egyptian history
To add to this, quartz is harder than granite, so fine sand used as a cutting aggregate with a saw can cut granite with pretty good precision
>>cut those 2.3 million stones to size
its hard work but doable in 30 years or so:https://youtu.be/qeS5lrmyD74?si=i9eCLb2CPwKHysAb
>post footage of people using steel tools
Topkek
those are tools made of copper and other materials that the ancients would have used.
>>fed only on a few mugs of beer
they've found lots of animal bones in the vicinity actually - they were fed lots of meat. they ate better than the average villager: https://lsa.umich.edu/lsa/news-events/all-news/search-news/the-diet-of-pyramid-builders.html
the point is if 1 random guy can move tons on his own, imagine what teams of people with villages worth of labor can accomplish who are developing their techniques over the courses of centuries.
They barely had enough meat for the nobility and even the middle class ate mainly chickpeas, where do they get the meat to feed hundreds of thousands of laborers bros?
One guess is extensive trade with the A-Group or Kerma or Nubians in the south. Either way, pyramid construction would have been an extremely religiously significant project so they would have certainly pulled out all the stops to ensure the workers were well-fed.
They're moving it on grass/packed earth. Heavy things sink into sand increasing friction. A 2.5 ton rock isn't just gonna float over the sand. Did you even pass high school physics?
>ramps
And you have evidence for these ramps, right? I mean, you must to be talking so confidently.
We're talking about the Pyramids at Giza, not shitty copies they built later most of which collapsed.
>Hanwiener points...
So not a direct quote but someone's interpretation. Give us a direct quote from the book. Should be easy since you obviously read it.
>I, Graham Hanwiener, suck wiener by choice and belief in Martians and how they communicated with ancient civilizations to mirror ancient egyptians, pg. 120
there now you can fact check that and find the information yourself
>Heavy things sink into sand increasing friction. A 2.5 ton rock isn't just gonna float over the sand. Did you even pass high school physics?
You think people claim they just shoved those stones along the desert? Haha do you live in a fricking cartoon bro
How did they transport them 15km then? Enlighten us.
>The techniques degraded over the course of centuries though.
>the more they practice the worse they get!
That's why we all live in mudhuts now and not in stone buildings. Oh wait.
Would you say drywall is more like mud or stone
I'm not American. I live in a building made of concrete and rebar, with non-load bearing walls made of brick. I don't know what drywall is. But from watching American houses being blown away by a gust of wind I'm gonna guess it's something like cardboard.
>he lives in a bunker with bare brick for walls
Fricking hell, some Eastern European commie block?
Red bricks are natural insulators. I don't inhale all that shit that's in your walls.
Answer the question. My walls are bricks covered in plaster btw. Also what are you doing to your walls that makes you inhale them?
When I renovate, the dust goes into the room. A mask helps some, but not completely. I guess you just pay someone else to fix your walls.
He's a liberal. He doesn't need to be coherent, he just needs to defeat a singular claim and then move on. He never has to think about it because he repeats the mainstream/"expert" view. He can just handwave and allude to some "proof".
> When I renovate, the dust goes into the room. A mask helps some, but not completely. I guess you just pay someone else to fix your walls
You still haven’t answered what shithole you’re from. How often are you renovating? Is the shitty commie block falling apart? And if you’re so good at it why are your walls bare brick? I do repointing and plaster repairs myself, full on replastering I pay for, obviously.
>You still haven’t answered what shithole you’re from.
try to stay on topic
> That's why we all live in mudhuts now and not in stone buildings. Oh wait.
>ignoramus doesn’t know that the quality of the pyramids decreased the later they were built
>proceeds to strawman
Are you engaging in pilpul? Post: “I denounce the talmud”
I denounce the Talmud and I don't know what pilpul is.
The quality decreased because the first pyramids (pyramids of Giza) were built either under the supervision of the remnants of the ancient civilisation or a generation or two after them. The other pyramids were shitty copies.
So now you agree with me? Bizarre.
>How did they transport them 15km then? Enlighten us.
If you can look paste this guy's accent, here is an evidence-based possibility: https://youtu.be/_sBclW4pARk?si=zeBPkILjfPXitjN6
>How did they transport them 15km then? Enlighten us.
Just off the top of my head without looking anything up:
>sled like device
>wooden logs under the stones rolling along
It's really not that big of a deal man
How long did it take them to move the rocks. israelites fear simple mathematic rates just like they fear cursory examination of the crematories..
>10 meters per minute which is pretty doable with a sled or rolling logs
>25 hours for the journey
>team of lets say 50 guys working a stone, again very generous, working 8 hours a day
>3 days per stone
>put 1500 people to work hauling stones
>500 stones per day
>takes 15 years to haul 2.3 millions stones 15km
>you see, a human is a machine
>a human does not need to sleep, eat, drink, shit or rest
>a human is capable of full-strength exertion all the time
>the Egyptians were masters of management, there was not a second wasted!
he added in they were working 8 hour shifts. can you not read
>a human can put in full effort for the full 8 hours and doesn't need to stop to rest, eat, drink or shit
thanks for telling us you haven't worked a day in your life. let alone in construction. you couldn't build a gingerbread house to save your life.
water is not a lubricant LMAO. water increases friction. anti-Hanwiener gays truly are idiots that don't know anything.
do you think the pyramids at giza were first? I thought Saqqara was built 1000 years before?
>still can't post evidence
and you're an NPC without critical thinking skills
NTA but here's a good summary on the wet sand thing.
>When the sand is dry or slightly damp, the grains can move past each other and are easily pushed up into a pile that makes it harder to pull the sledge. As more water is added to the sand, however, the grains begin to stick together and eventually form a stiff concrete-like surface that the sledge can slide across much more easily than across dry sand. This stickiness between grains was also observed in Wagner’s 2007 study, where it impeded the flow of sand.
>In the case of one type of sand tested, the coefficient of dynamic friction nearly halved when the water content of the sand reached about 5%.
https://physicsworld.com/a/did-slippery-sand-help-egyptians-build-the-pyramids/#:~:text=Workers%20building%20the%20colossal%20monuments,of%20different%20types%20of%20sand.
>one type of sand tested
>t. never had sex in the sea
evidence that the Saqqara pyramid predates the pyramids at giza. now you're being willfuly obtuse to avoid the question.
>>one type of sand tested
Open wide and I'll spoonfeed you
>In the case of one type of sand tested, the coefficient of dynamic friction nearly halved when the water content of the sand reached about 5%. This sand is similar to that found in Egypt, suggesting that wetting the sand would have been a boon to ancient monument builders. The results also indicate that the pyramid builders had luck on their side. Egyptian sand is “polydispersive”, which means that it contains grains of many different sizes. When Wagner and colleagues used sand in which most grains were of a certain size, the drop in friction was much less than that seen in the Egyptian-like sand. This could be because the range of grain sizes in polydispersive sand allows it to pack more tightly than sand where most grains are the same size
and they found imported sand in the pyramid with uniform grain size from Sinnai(?) or something.
so they clearly knew about different types of sand.
I have made no claims in this thread
regarding the dating of djoser.
>still can’t post evidence
Of? You sounding like a bot? Your posts are my evidence.
>water is not a lubricant LMAO. water increases friction
Did you really just say that
>water is not a lubricant LMAO. water increases friction. anti-Hanwiener gays truly are idiots that don't know anything.
This international team of physicists based in Germany that studied the relationship between friction and water content in a number of different types of sand disagree with you: https://physicsworld.com/a/did-slippery-sand-help-egyptians-build-the-pyramids/
>>you see, a human is a machine
Yeah, pretty much. Humans turn food and oxygen into kinetic energy and heat. And insanely efficiently.
Again, I know this is very, very hard for you to grasp. But many people, most of humanity actually, can work for 8 hours a day. Including manual labor. Infact, that is what society today calls "work" or "having a job". You might have heard about it from your parents or something
>all manual labour is equivalent to hauling massive weights
You speak like someone who has never worked a day in his (its?) life.
>a human is a machine
Hahahahahahbahanahahaha the absolute state of plebbitors.
Anon egyptian peasants, and the entire country, were essentially the private property of the Pharaoh. No shit the working conditions in their fricking corvee were unpleasant.
So now you’re not only claiming that the stones were moved by manual labour, but by malnourished and possibly injured labour too? Do you have any idea how hard that is. Are you familiar with the bridge on the river kwai? The death railways?
This is one of the most idiotic attempts at a gotcha I've ever read.
This one is just pathetic, you don't know the first thing about me or my politicals opinions. Or are you seriosly trying to argue that liberals are defined by their oppositon to the idea that the pyramids were built by throat singing aliens, becasue the alternative would involve unpleasant working condidtions is a liberal? Again, fricking pathetic.
>oh no my nonsensical argument is falling apart
>if I label what was put to me as “a gotcha” I can ignore
The absolute state.
You think this is a argument or some sort of debate?
I responded to your post by stating that the peasants who worked on the pyramid were forced to do so under shit conditions, Egypt, as far as I'm aware, did not have a monetary economy until the Achaemenids and instead rations were distributed by the state in exhange for labour, on fields or in building projects.
Your response to this has been to rail about birdge on the river Kwai.
Is the idea that the life of a unfree labourer during the bronze age would have been pretty shit so puzzling to you?
And if this is indeed a debate what the frick are you trying to argue for?
> You think this is a argument or some sort of debate?
No, I think this is an ignoramus frantically trying to use confirmation bias instead of saying “I don’t know how the pyramids were built”
>I responded to your post by stating that the peasants
Nope. You responded to someone else. As someone who’s very well educated on the limits of the human body (not a machine) I was just helpfully pointing out that you are weakening your own argument.
Interesting response ot a series of post elucidating on labour organization in pharaonic Egypt.
If you are a authority on the human body I suggest you try to compose a coherent post on the subject rather than sperg out incoherently because malnutrition among the lower classes in the bronze age near east angers you.
>seething
Kek
For me to be upset I would have to actually know what your contention with me or what I've written is.
And given that your answer to a direct question pertained to physiology and machines, neither of which I've directly mentioned I suspect I shall have to live out the rest of my life blissfully unaware of what the frick you are on about.
Thats just hauling the stones little moron thanks. How long did it take to survey the site. Muster all the work crews and their lodgings and meals. How long did it also take to build the miles long ramps. Haul and prep the caps. The mortar. The blocks to be shipped down river and the boats and barges made to haul them. The logistics chain to procure all the wood for the ramps and scaffolds. The burial sites for all the wagied that would have toiled under off season conditions with sustenance nutrition and non existent hygiene. All in under 30 years. Midwits should just shut the frick up.
I mean, most of the stones actually didn't come from 15km away, they came from the fricking plateau.
Also I don't know how you think those points are a problem? How does any society organize? Division of labor. They do it the same way the greeks, romans, incans, chinks, ottomans, whoever did things. Does "liberal science" need to explain the job of every single worker until you are satisfied?
>it's not that big of a deal
Oh wow that makes sense. Thanks!
>no evidence
Precisely, you believe it cause someone said so. You lack critical thinking and defer to "experts".
>wrong again
You sound like a broken bot.
Saqqara predates Giza by about a thousand years.
>Saqqara predates Giza by about a thousand years.
Evidence for your claim?
>inb4 Egyptologists say...
>so brain broken he doesn’t know what an Egyptologist is or what they say
Topkek
>They're moving it on grass/packed earth. Heavy things sink into sand increasing friction. A 2.5 ton rock isn't just gonna float over the sand. Did you even pass high school physics?
They could have poured water on the sand and dragged it across for lubrication. There is artistic evidence for this technique. They could have also created artificial canals. They might have built something like herodotus described. There are plenty of ways they could have figured it out and none require the existence of atlantis like hanwiener believes.
>the point is this video is irrelevant
Agreed. Moving kilos isn’t anywhere near to being similar as moving multi ton rocks.
>now use your imagination
We aren’t allowed to that apparently
>developing techniques over the course of centuries
The techniques degraded over the course of centuries though.
>Agreed. Moving kilos isn’t anywhere near to being similar as moving multi ton rocks.
the guy in the video is moving multiple tons. He's 1 guy. Watch the video.
Those are tiny compare to henges and pyramids. You delusional freak.
You do know that the average weight of a limestone block on the Giza pyramids is just 2.5 tons, right
You do know that supports my post, don’t you? You moran.
Lying ass homosexual. Limestone is average 2 tons a m3.
Yes. Agricultural societies develop a specialized division of labor.
he's right you know
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coral_Castle
wait until you hear about the Heinsohn phantom time hypothesis
the world was magical before kaliyuga set in and the simulation started to accomdate npcs like germnaics. that usher in the the dark age , the wcurrent world is shit
>NOOOO you can't make a ramp, it has to be ancient aliens, psychokinetic rays induced by hallucinogens that led them to a new consciousness, and it was hundreds of thousands of years before just because, and if you ask me for non meme "evidence" you are like those damn scientists who don't want me tell my truth!!!
Who are you quoting
just an observation on the mentality of the average /x/gay who believes neo-hippie nonsense because he can't into actual scientific research
So you made it up to give yourself a strawman and nobody actually said that, correct?
>they built hundreds of ramps miles long
>sauce: trust me bro
Kek
>miles long
funny how gays like you need to make shit up like this..
get actual info from engineers, not from journalist clowns
>it doesn’t matter what the gradient of a ramp is
>it’s only a stone weighing several tonnes you just push it whatever the incline
If you weren’t a complete fricking moron you would accept that the incline would have to be shallow to be possible. You can’t even acknowledge that though.
There are literally remnants of ramps next to the pyramids.
>tying yourself into knots
How is claiming harry potter and the homosexual telekinetics alien mummy levitated the stones into position with their cum rays is any less convoluted than saying ramps and lots of people?
What the frick is even in your brains? How do you live in a reality where this is how you explain things?
>WHAT YOU THINK THIS PACKAGE WAS LYING AROUND IN A WAREHOUSE SOMEWHERE AND SOMEBODY PUT A LABEL ON IT TO TELL IT WHERE IT IS SUPPOSED TO GO AND THEN PUT IT IN A TRUCK WHO BROUGH IT TO ANOTHER WAREHOUSE AND THEY PUT IT INTO ANOTHER TRUCK TO TAKE IT TO THE EXACT LOCATION INDICATED BY THE LABEL AND PUT THE PACKAGE IN FRONT OF MY MUM DOOR HOW CAN YOU BELIEVE SOMETHING LIKE THAT DUDE IT WAS CLEARED TELEPORTED HERE BY SOME MAGIC ELF CREATURE
I think we broke it
The only thing you broke is your own brain.
Post the remnants of the ramps.
>How is claiming harry potter and the homosexual telekinetics alien mummy levitated the stones into position with their cum rays is any less convoluted than saying ramps and lots of people?
strawman.
>YOU BELIEVE IT WAS ALIENS HAHA YOU FOOL
Hanwiener doesn't ever, not once, mention aliens or magic. He says that the techniques they used were developed for hundreds if not thousands of years, by a civilisation that predated the first dynasty of ancient Egypt. But that makes too much sense so you have to pretend like he's saying all this crazy shit to make yourself feel better for being a dumb liberal.
>Hanwiener doesn't ever, not once, mention aliens
>Hanwiener doesn't ever, not once, mention aliens or magic. He says that the techniques they used were developed for hundreds if not thousands of years, by a civilisation that predated the first dynasty of ancient Egypt. But that makes too much sense so you have to pretend like he's saying all this crazy shit to make yourself feel better for being a dumb liberal.
The techniques were devevloped for 500 hundreds years at least, yes. That is what the archeologists are saying. Just that they used ramps, and not sound waves, aka magic bullshit
>archaeologists are allowed to make unsubstantiated claims
Why?
>From the time of the Early Dynastic Period (c. 3150–2686 BCE), Egyptians with sufficient means were buried in bench-like structures known as mastabas.[12][13] At Saqqara, Mastaba 3808, dating from the latter part of the 1st Dynasty, was discovered to contain a large, independently built step-pyramid-like structure enclosed within the outer palace facade mastaba.
>unsubstantiated
You know there are more structures in egypt than the 3 pyramids your Alien boyfriends made, right?
You keep bringin up saqqabas which have nothing to do with pyramids. So frick off with your sliding.
Besides it having the oldest Egyptian pyramid that's still standing?
>build a bunch of structures that are similar in fashion and purpose to the pyramids
>nothing to do with pyramids
lmao
What was the purpose of the pyramids?
Ritual significance.
tombs for the Pharaohs . Likely a continuation of a Saharan tradition of tumuli going back to the Neolithic into the predynastic period evolving towards early mastabas in the early dynastic period, then step pyramids, and culminating in the Old Kingdom's Great Pyramid.
The oldest Sumerian ziggurat predates the oldest Egyptian pyramid by about 1,000 years. Any chance the Mesopotamians influenced the Egyptians on that?
Absolutely. There are numerous Mesopotamian influences that enter Egypt in the mid 4th millennium and the recent genetic leak solidified this.
Though I'd caution not to take it too far and create a narrative that we're talking about one simply copying the other. The ziggurats had a very different purpose - they were temples to their gods - not tombs for their Kings. But could the Egyptians have learned from that and used it to augment their own Kingship burial traditions? Definitely in my opinion.
What evidence do you have for this? Or is it pure speculation?
for
>You keep bringin up saqqabas which have nothing to do with pyramids. So frick off with your sliding.
kek. mastabas are clearly a part of a local tradition developing towards the pyramids.
This Graham Hanwiener stuff is a fun jumping board anon but you need to outgrow it and do serious research. It may be boring at times or not as exciting as atlantis or aliens but its many times more rewarding.
ftfy
btw, why do Mastabas have doors while pyramids don't?
I find it funny that people like you come in these threads spreading the orthodox theories, the only difference between them and crazy theories is that more people believe them
There's no proof either way
Mastabas have false doors to represent the space between the living and the dead. This is the problem with you pseuds - you are short on even cursory research of the things you're speculating about!
>underground burial chamber
so why is do the pyramids at giza have the "burial chamber" half way up the pyramid and not underground?
Djoser, Khafre, and Menkaure were placed in subterranean burial chambers underneath their pyramids. The Pharaoh of the Great Pyramid Khufu was placed inside of the pyramid itself. Why? I'm not sure why he broke that part of the tradition.
Khufu predates Khafra and Menkaure. No body or sarcophagus was ever found in any of the pyramids at Giza. How do you know where they were placed?
based on where the burial chambers are. the actual corpses have long been stolen by graverobbers who were a problem even during dynastic times.
>the evidence isn't there cause of grave robbers
>never mind that they didn't reach the king's chamber until the 19th century after blasting through the pyramid with dynamite and using steel tools
it's almost as if it wasn't a tomb at all, and he was buried elsewhere in a secret location. cause if you don't want your pharaoh's tomb desecrated you definitely don't put it in a building that can be seen for miles around.
we have way too much evidence that the pyramids were tombs. Burial artifacts and chambers like sarcophagi, grave goods, mummies and human remains have been found inside pyramids, indicating their use as tombs. Interior chambers also resemble tomb designs. There are mortuary/funerary temples and covered causeways connected to pyramids, serving ritual functions related to pharaohs' burial and the afterlife journey. They connect the tomb to the valley. Also, inscriptions, paintings and worker graffiti found inside some pyramid tombs reference the deceased pharaoh by name or title, confirm construction dates, and describe ritual or burial function. We also have some records from later periods referencing pyramids as the tombs of specific pharaohs and provide construction details and ritual function details. For example, the Westcar Papyrus mentions Khufu building the Great Pyramid as his burial monument. I believe even Herodotus mentions the pyramids as such as well. To your point though, I think the graverobbing problem might have been the motivator to discontinue this tradition.
To be fair though, the tomb tradition could be borne out of emulation of the original pyramids. So the original pyramids could have had a different purpose and then the culture just emulated their shape for tombs. I am not saying that's necessarily the case but it's a possibility.
I totally agree with History for Granite on this, that 4th dynasty pyramids were not just tombs
I don't think so simply because this cultural and religious obsession with funerary ritual seems to have been a very deeply rooted prehistoric Saharan traditions which predynastic Egypt seemed to have been profoundly influenced by. I don't think they would have built such monuments for any other purpose tbh.
>Burial artifacts and chambers like sarcophagi, grave goods, mummies and human remains have been found inside pyramids
not at Giza.
>Interior chambers also resemble tomb designs.
What, a rectangular room?
>There are mortuary/funerary temples and covered causeways connected to pyramids,
Built after the pyramids.
>serving ritual functions related to pharaohs' burial and the afterlife journey.
And they couldn't bury them anywhere else after ritual functions, right? They can transport 2.5ton stones for 15km, but moving a mummified body is too difficult to move.
> Also, inscriptions, paintings and worker graffiti found inside some pyramid tombs reference the deceased pharaoh by name or title,
Not at Giza.
>We also have some records from later periods referencing pyramids as the tombs of specific pharaohs and provide construction details and ritual function details.
>later periods
Do you think ancients would lie? Could they be misinformed?
>I believe even Herodotus mentions the pyramids as such as well.
>3000 years after
I guess we shouldn't question the Greeks. They weren't wrong about anything.
>To your point though, I think the graverobbing problem might have been the motivator to discontinue this tradition.
The grave robbers robbed the pyramids under the Egyptians noses? There were no entries into the pyramids at giza until the 18-19th century. This means the pyramids were sealed while empty.
This is a likely explanation.
There are NO inscriptions or hieroglyphs on or in the pyramids at Giza. This is weird because actual burial chambers were covered floor to ceiling in hieroglyphs and drawings.
>There are NO inscriptions or hieroglyphs on or in the pyramids at Giza
This isn't true. We've found the literal sarcophagus of Menkaure at Giza.
Why do you lie?
>Adjacent to the burial chamber were found wooden fragments of a coffin bearing the name of Menkaure and a partial skeleton wrapped in a coarse cloth.
>It is now thought that the coffin was a replacement made during the much later Saite period, nearly two millennia after the king's original interment. Radio carbon dating of the bone fragments that were found, place them at an even later date, from the Coptic period in the first centuries AD.[12]
What does the coffin sitting next to it have to do with the sarcophagus that was lost at sea?
It means it wasn't a sarcophagus, but a stone box. It had no inscriptions. The coffin was placed there long after the pyramid was constructed, and the person inside the coffin died long after. How can you say that's proof it was a tomb??
>The grave robbers robbed the pyramids under the Egyptians noses? There were no entries into the pyramids at giza until the 18-19th century. This means the pyramids were sealed while empty.
Again, you guys totally underestimate human ingenuity. Both of the builders and of the robbers. The pyramids were designed with internal chambers and passageways, including the main entrance, which often led to a descending corridor and a series of chambers and tunnels. Over time, the original entrances to these pyramids were either concealed or forgotten, but graverobbers would sometimes locate them. More crudely, robbers would resort to tunneling directly inside. They would use tools made from harder materials like bronze or iron to chip away at the softer limestone blocks. The robbers would aim to tunnel towards the burial chambers, which were believed to contain most valuavle treasures. The construction techniques of the pyramids definitely had vulnerabilities such as casing stones that formed the smooth outer surface of the pyramid that could be removed or breached, providing a starting point for tunneling. Robbers could also exploit natural faults in the rock or weaknesses in the mortar used to bind the stones.
It's also possible that some graverobbers had knowledge of the pyramid's design, possibly passed down from workers who constructed the pyramids or from earlier, unsuccessful attempts. This insider knowledge would have helped them target weaker points or more direct routes to the burial chambers. There might even be a primary source describing this but don't quote me on that.
>And they couldn't bury them anywhere else after ritual functions, right? They can transport 2.5ton stones for 15km, but moving a mummified body is too difficult to move.
This was a religious ritual - you can't apply your modern rationalism to it. These people were religious devotees burying their Divine monarch. To your point like I said, they did discontinue this tradition.
>The pyramids were designed with internal chambers and passageways, including the main entrance, which often led to a descending corridor and a series of chambers and tunnels. Over time, the original entrances to these pyramids were either concealed or forgotten, but graverobbers would sometimes locate them. More crudely, robbers would resort to tunneling directly inside.
Where are these robber tunnels then? They did an excellent job resealing empty pyramids. If they were robbed, why reseal them? What are they protecting?
We have papyrus dating back to the 12th century BC that is a court record of a defendant confessing to digging a tunnel to one of the pyramids using copper tools. Graverobbing was such a major issue that it was likely the reason why they discontinued pyramids and began burying them in the Valley of the Kings instead.
>The grave robbers robbed the pyramids under the Egyptians noses? There were no entries into the pyramids at giza until the 18-19th century. This means the pyramids were sealed while empty.
This is wrong, they were robbed likely in the first intermediate period e.g. straight after being built.
The entrances were concealed by later restorers
Why did they close an empty pyramid?
To restore it
it wasn't empty there were mummies in it trying to attack them
>There are NO inscriptions or hieroglyphs on or in the pyramids at Giza. This is weird because actual burial chambers were covered floor to ceiling in hieroglyphs and drawings.
While its true they lack the elaborate inscriptions and hieroglyphic texts commonly found in other Egyptian tombs and temples, there are some. Namely, the "quarry marks" or "workmen's marks" found in some of the relieving chambers above the King's Chamber. These chambers were not intended to be entered after the pyramid's completion and were only discovered in the modern era. The marks include the names of work gangs like "Friends of Khufu" or "Drunkards of Menkaure," which provide contemporary sources for the time of construction and some insight into the social aspects of the pyramid builders' lives pic-related
Those inscriptions could have been made by the person who "discovered" them, to justify the expenses and prove his theory. Apparently they also contain grammar errors and misspellings
anon, we have had centuries of peer review. this would have been exposed by now. unless you think all relevant academics are in on this conspiracy.
>Apparently they also contain grammar errors and misspellings
I have no idea if this is true but if it were, that wouldn't be a problem. Most average people would not be extremely literate, skilled writers. Grammar or spelling mistakes would really not be a major issue.
>build the greatest monument in the known world at the time
>you're a god/king of your people
>leave only couple of graffiti behind of your magnificience
you seriously believe that shit?
They're not even the graffiti of the pharaoh, but of the work gangs lmao.
we also literally have a diary from one of the officials during construction: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diary_of_Merer
Totally normal and mundane. no atlantis, no aliens.
could be repair work or modifications, nowhere does it say that they built the whole thing. Do correct me if I'm wrong though
just looking it up and apparently there is an unfinished underground chamber for khufu. it seems for whatever reason, work on it was stopped and opted to be buried above ground: https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/egypt/explore/khufuunf.html
we can only speculate why.
I think Khufu wanted his grave to be a place of worship, which might be why it has air channels.
Other pyramids could be like this also but not require the channels due to being below rather than above ground, and being less big.
Also they did initially make it underground, they dug out an empty space and abandoned it, then made the Queens chamber and abandoned it also. Probably his reign was really strong and they kept increasing the scope.
it was plugged up with 1000 tons of granite. that's why the air channel theory needs more explanation
There could be a significant amount of time between it being used for worshipped, and being plugged with granite.
interesting idea!
There's a lot of small interesting ideas in the ocean of bullshit that is egyptology
whats the guy upstairs watching?
>tombs
>0 bodies have been found inside of them
Most tombs that have been found in Egypt have been looted over the course of 4,000 years. We're actually lucky to find anything, rather than it be the norm.
Nah, quite a few have been found, completely in tact.
The pyramids were clearly avian enclosures that included all birds known to the egyptians. They flew away though and the evidence of their existence was removed by guano robbers.
>Aristophanes the birds was actually about egypt and pyramids
Huge new discovery.
How does it feel to so moronicly argue a point that you have no idea about?
Literally the first pyramid was built by extending and building on top of one
>He says that the techniques they used were developed for hundreds if not thousands of years, by a civilisation that predated the first dynasty of ancient Egypt.
that makes no sense. Egyptian pyramids have very clear local smaller antecedents such as the neolithic tumuli, mastabas of the predynastic period and the djoser/imhotep pyramid in the 3rd. there is no need to invoke any modern-tier civilization as there is a clear local chain of development.
That looks nothing like a pyramid. How is a pyramid a logical continuation of that? Why wouldn't they just make a big square shape again with a flat top?
Your insane schizo quote, except you're talking about a scenario in a time thousands of years before any evidence of the invention of an organized postal system of any kind, and the alternative hypothesis isn't magic but it's "Maybe we're wrong that there wasn't an organized postal system"
What if the tinylev...
He won't say how they did it. He just vagueposts.
This and the bigfoot threads always end up bringing out the most schizo people.
because he's the ultimate grifter. he was a has been fiction writer in the 90's, and only gained traction in recent years because people who are delusional gave him a platform
Yeah, it's a bummer. Always goes that way with these guys. Not that I don't enjoy listening to him from time to time, but it's always the same:
>What if they were more advanced than we thought?
yeah, that sounds interesting.
>There's evidence that might point towards a reset of human civilization
Really? That would make a lot of things make sense. Huh,
>Yes, and they were more advanced than we are today, and could move rocks with their minds and use their voice to control reality
...ya lost me.
Worst part is the stupid shit makes me question all the legit interesting stuff.
That's the issue with people like Graham Hanwiener and the conspiracy nuts that devote themselves to shit like the pyramids
Archeology has made numerous discoveries that we underestimated a place, society, or civilization's technological advancements because we didn't have the full picture, but there's never anything drastic or interesting to anyone outside the archeological field. But then you get some nut who uses it as a source for why sound built the pyramids, or how Atlantis is real, and shit just goes off the rails.
> Archeology has made numerous discoveries that we underestimated a place, society, or civilization's technological advancements because we didn't have the full picture, but there's never anything drastic or interesting to anyone outside the archeological field
False. Arachaeologists have ignored several discoveries due to dogma, see the sphinx and gobekli tepe. Why do they refuse to excavate the chamber below the sphinx? Why is the door on top of the sphinx ignored? Why hasn’t the thief who took a news crew inside been questioned about it?
You should really avoid gathering your sources from Graham Hanwiener and Joe Rogan
>unable to refute
>resorts to ad hominems that are incorrect
Thanks for conceding. You can frick off now.
see
As I said, thanks for conceding. You can frick off now.
What part would you like to have refuted? None of it is correct, and its been discussed exhaustingly
All of it. None of it has been refuted, ignoring something is not refutation. There is at least one entrance on the top of the sphinx. You can watch the footage of the tv crew go inside it with the thief. The investigations into the chamber occurred within the last decade, and the Egyptian government is refusing to excavate.
>the worst part is that I’m an idiot who lacks the ability to discern
Yeah that does sound tragic
>disregarding everything you don't agree with
lol
That’s what you described yourself doing, bot.
>everyone I embarrass myself in front of is a bot
lol.
In fact, lmao even
>I will prove him wrong by continuing to argue like a bot
Yep. You sure showed me.
there are shitloads of pyramids from around the same era other than the Giza ones so they were building them quite regularly whatever way they were so it wouldn't have required some wacky outlandish methodology to do so. in fact I believe Ethiopia is the country with the most ancient pyramids sites in the world but they're not as big or prolific
they obv didn't throw them up overnight so they would have had a long time to be building on them
Reminder that a balding Ancient Greek knew that atoms and particles and shit were real, but the much more charismatic (and moronic) Aristotle won out with this four elements bullshit.
Listen to chad “intellectuals” at your own peril.
Based. Thinking outside the norm is more fun than just agreeing with your history teacher.
Why does the topic of pyramid building, which is fairly straightforward and well understood, bring out all the schizos from their holes?
Its on par with Bigfoot discussion.
Your mom fricks Black folk. Thats the only explanation for how a moron like you was born.
how tf is it so hard for people to believe that the pyramids were built like any other structure? we have skyscrapers and shit like that.... why would it be impossible for a less developed civilization to build less developed versions of skyscrapers?
Skyscrapers are built under the sheer extragavant weight of international capital and logistics. We need millions of brown slaves across the globe just to make the supply chains possible. Never mind the engineering and construction standards needed to erect to the damn things.
Can you prove they didn't?
his theory has just as much evidence as any other theory provided for how the pyramids were made.
More like Kilo Footpenis, amirite?
Most of history really is just pseuds guessing, isn't it? Even dinosaurs have feathers now and it's because one guess is superseding the other guess. Why even bother saying it if you have to be like "well i don't REALLY know, but it COULD HAVE been..."
Exactly. its just whoever gets the funding and has the institutional clout that gets mainstream recognition. Just look a few posts up to see a moron tryimg to use a shitty paper that used clout in physics world that would have been rejected by any serious engineering or materials science journal. "Egyptian like sand" lmao under what quantitative or qualitative parameters? Using loads in a fricking lab setting.
you don't get it anon, sand in Egypt was perfectly uniform. and ancient Egyptian farmers knew exactly how much water to pour onto the sand. it's not like the water would evaporate in the sun quickly or seep through the sand!
Go back in time and tell that to the Egyptian depicted using this technique here. While you're at it, ask if he's seen any atlanteans or aliens around.
Yep. He’s definitely pouring water on sand, a few pints at time, in order to wet it enough. It’s impossible it could be anything else, such as consecrating the ground or making an offering to the gods. It’s settled!
What do you think is going on in this scene?
what dynasty is that picture from?
I think a sperg is posting a low quality image of 178KB
You're totally right. We need a materials scientist or a civil engineer to tell us that water compacts sand
Pour some water onto sand in a desert and see how long it stays wet.
You can watch a video of such a thing right now. It only has to be there long enough for the skid of a sledge to pass over it
The paper made the qualitative claim of mythical egyptian sand. So id like to see those paramaters. Exactly what makes the sand they used in their study 'Egyptian-like" compared to the other sands they tested. You wont find it because those c**ts didnt back it up.
>Exactly what makes the sand they used in their study 'Egyptian-like" compared to the other sands they tested. You wont find it because those c**ts didnt back it up.
Sand with uniform grain size, like those seen in Egypt, compared to sands with diverse grain size.
>quotes paper he is supposedly an expert on
>a few posts later he describes it as saying the opposite of what it did
Shows how poorly you grasp what you cite
> Egyptian sand is “polydispersive”, which means that it contains grains of many different sizes
My mistake, got it backwards, I'm glad thats cleared up for you though
Shit paper cited in shitpost. Thanks for clearing that up gayanon.
You seem butthurt. Sorry that you're so bothered by a simple test of applied physics because the implications frighten you
Im not. Im glad you exposed modern soïence by citing a garbage paper that exposes the Institute of Physics as trash.
Lol what exactly about the study do you take issue with? You got your answer to
so what disingenuous homosexual question are you gonna have now?
What answer. You just shitposted the article you didnt even read that does nothing to explain how the pyramids were built. So how do you explain the 30 year timeline for the lyramid of egypt.
How do you explain the 14 year timeline of Mount Rushmore?
They used steel tools and techniques in construction not available for the pyramids. Kek, even for whataboutery that was a shit a attempt.
Well, the people building the pyramids of Giza used copper tools and techniques available to them. What's the problem?
>What answer.
Do you have amnesia lol
>You just shitposted the article you didnt even read that does nothing to explain how the pyramids were built.
I posted an article because some anon was skeptical that water could be used to decrease friction for the moving of heavy things across sand, and a study of simple applied physics showed its definitely a plausibility. And now you're acting like a mongoloid who can't understand how we ended up here.
You posted a shit article where a supervisor from rutgers just said yeah maybe sand getting a little wet ( 5%) would make it easier for a pvc sled to slide on a thin layer of sand who knows maybe that means something pls gib more grant money. Again anyone who claims to be serious about science can easily discern that the whole experiment was irrelevant at best.
>You posted a shit article where a supervisor from rutgers just said yeah maybe sand getting a little wet ( 5%) would make it easier for a pvc sled to slide on a thin layer of sand who knows maybe that means something pls gib more grant money
Imagine flailing about some study done to demonstrate a concept and continually outing yourself as a tard who hasn't more than glanced at the parts quoted ITT.
Your parts are wholly irrelevant. You brought it up thinking no one would read the nonsense you most likely read from some popsci article about the pyramids. Next time just link your subreddit so I can laugh harder.
>Institute of Physics
oh it's an institute? why didn't you say so before, they're obviously infallible
At least you’re not going to pretend you have any knowledge on the subject, just using a search engine and skimming the results.
At least you're going to stop pretending you gays know anything so you're resorting to different tactics
We’ll all I’ve seen is repeated dodging of the questions and points out to you, whilst everything you’ve posted has been torn to shreds. You haven’t engaged in good faith anywhere itt
>We’ll all I’ve seen is repeated dodging of the questions and points out to you
Such as? Point me to one. I'd love to answer a question if I'm able.
>Why do they refuse to excavate the chamber below the sphinx?
Ask the Egyptian government. I'd love to know more what Emilie Baraize found
>the door on the top
It was installed in the 20s to cover an existing tunnel entrance IIRC. Don't know anything about the news crew who snuck in.
Because the end of your last sentence doesn’t really happen.
There’s a show called building the pyramids where a bunch of average strength dudes with logs and ropes built a portion of a pyramid. It’s really not that hard once you apply simple machines.
the pyramids were tombs built by devoutly religious people for ritual purposes, sorry bro. they aren’t magic, at least not in the way you’re saying.
>no body
>no sarcophagus
>but they were tombs, trust me bro
because the bodies were spirited physically into the afterlife as the egyptians literally said themselves was the point
>sauce: it came to me in a dream after I ignored all evidence
The pyramids aren't even that exceptional from an architectural pov, they could have been built by numerous other civilizations, what's really exceptional is the level of structural power that funded/motivated something like this to be built
Don't tell anyone about Tikal and its insane waterworks program.
That's so much easier to rationalize because it has a function other than "lmao let's build this giant labor-intensive tomb for our leader"
What about its own pyramid?
Kek, I didn't know about that, equally impressive in that case
>steps going up only 1 side of the pyramid which lead up to a chamber
That indicates a specific function
Yeah, to go up and see decorations for the tomb of the King that the pyramid was built for.