>makes the mistake of letting anakin live the first time
>can't blame him too much, he is limbless, deep fried, and dying on some back lava canyon on some nobody planet on mustafar alone
>he does know for a FACT however that after this moment, Anakin and the empire has carved a bloody swath across the galaxy for the last 9 years with countless innocence dead
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And then he does the exact same fricking mistake?? Only this time with a standing, breathing vader he just turns his back on????
From here on out, every single fricking death, the billions on Alderan, the millions over the next 10 years. Hell even all the way up into Return of the Jedi... every person Vader has killed, ordered killed, supervised over killing, etc. ALL CAN BE TRACED BACK TO THIS MOMENT RIGHT HERE
What the frick were they thinking? Why not make some (admittedly) contrived reason that separates them further or prevents the fight from continuing. Anything other than an Obi Wan, renewed with the force and goodness, letting this mad right hand of Palpatine, and a tyrant in his own right live to kill more innocence. This is "Jake Skywalker" levels of ruination
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he didn't kill Anakin bc he is chosen one
>inb4 gigacope
>two extremely powerful people keep beating around the bush instead of ending one another
And we all suffer for it.
Uggh...
Alright, fine, fricking FINE! I get it!!!
It's a fricking metaphor for the eras of Jedi vs Sith. For thousands of years the galaxy has suffered because fo their conflicts. Even down the final ones left.
this makes the most sense, he doesn’t want to kill Anakin so his cope is that he will still bring balance to the force somehow
He shouldnt have been there in the first place. THIS WHOLE SHOW IS A PIECE OF SHIT AND SHOULD BE MEMORYHOLED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE
Who said Anakin is the "chosen one"?
George Lucas.
He also changed his mind and was going to make Leia the Chosen One. The prophecy was always hacky garbage.
The whole family/bloodline is “chosen” because canonically they all have an equal God-Tier M-Count. Luke is the closest thing to an actual chosen one though.
I look at it like this…Anakin wiped away the old corrupt Republic and the old corrupt Jedi Order. Luke defeated the Sith and brought back a new, more honorable Jedi Order, and Leia (and Luke) defeated the Empire and helped bring back a new, more honorable Republic. That’s the story, and each had an important role to play…
…and then Kathleen Kennedy arrived and intentionally ruined the Skywalker family and the entire story and then attacked the fans when they got upset
>The whole family/bloodline is “chosen” because canonically they all have an equal God-Tier M-Count. Luke is the closest thing to an actual chosen one though.
And it's all inordinately stupid. I'm just telling you what Lucas said about his sequel trilogy outline. If Maul and Darth Fapbaitius were around the prophecy wasn't fulfilled by Vader or Luke, hence why Leia could have been.
>intentionally ruined the Skywalker family and the entire story
The obsession with the Skywalkers for their own sake was always bad, and the sequel trilogy plays into that (in its own way) as much as anything does. Hence why Rey calls herself Skywalker even though Solo or Organa or Organa-Solo would've been far more sensible given the characters she actually had developed relationships with.
>The obsession with the Skywalkers for their own sake was always bad, and the sequel trilogy plays into that (in its own way) as much as anything does.
No it’s not. That was the story of those 6 films. They can make hundreds of films set all over the galaxy without the Skywalkers and that would be great. But in that timeline in that place that was the story, dipshit.
You're missing the point, Count Dum-Dum of the Confederacy of Independent morons. The Skywalkers were never interesting because they were Skywalkers (TM). Luke and Vader were interesting because of the story they were in and the specific relationship they had, not because their Force juice was maximum. Turning Anakin into the product of a (frankly nonsensical) prophecy didn't make any of that more interesting.
>Count Dum-Dum of the Confederacy of Independent morons.
You posted cringe, bro
Star Wars is cringe. Appropriate then.
>The OT and PT get it wrong
>The Sequels are good
Go frick yourself
Learn to read when you get a chance.
Learn to think when you get a chance
Nowhere in that post do I praise the sequels. I explicitly mention that scene because it's bad. I can think just fine. Learn to read.
Exactly, no one said it in-universe. It was all a bunch of bullshit.
Obi Wan literally said "you were the chosen one" after he cut his arms and legs off in revenge of the sith.
>he is the chosen one
in that case then why did force ghost obi wan (who would be even more in touch with the will of the force) tell Luke the only way forward is for him to kill Vader since he is to far gone
Obi-Wan believes Luke is the chosen one in canon. And he is actually right. Luke walked into the throne room in RoTJ and walked out with both Sith dead, and Luke played the situation perfectly.
Reminder all nu wars is homosexual shit
Because he is Revas to kill not Obi wans
I swear to God. If that Millie Bobby Brown casting rumor is true, they are going to remake the OG trilogy with her as Leia. And Reva will be in it and probably in the final fight when Darth Vader is about to kill himself/emperor he won't be strong enough and Reva will be up on a rafter somewhere using the force to help him.
why are you so angry?
They ruined star wars in 2015.
That's 7 years ago.
You still haven't got past that and accepted it? Why were you expecting this show to make sense. Lucas didn't make it.
>They ruined star wars in 2015.
*2013
Same year they decanonized the old EU & shut down Lucasarts.
*1983
>1983
At this point I've rolled back to saying there's only one Star Wars film, and that was made it 1977.
You mean 1986
why is most of this episode so goddamn hard to see
terrible cinematography and directing
It's depressing that this is still noticeably better than the fight scenes in Boba Fett.
>that moronic lightsaber POV
>All the shaking camera shots
SURPRISE
SURPRISE
FEMALE DIRECTOR
Awful lighting and constant fricking shaky cam. Shaky cam is the fricking opposite of skillful filmmaking and the opposite of everything George Lucas did as a director.
calibrate or get a new TV
Anon, they irreversibly fricked up the setting on the first paragraph of the crawl in TFA, where they established that in 30 years:
>Luke hasn't trained a single Jedi to completion.
>No other Jedi emerged after the fall of the Empire.
>The only Jedi temple was destroyed.
>There were no self-taught Jedi who achieved knighthood.
That was enough. Since that moment on every single Disney Wars product is smothered to death by that one single rule: NO JEDI CAN SURVIVE UNTIL THE SEQUELS.
All of Luke’s first class reached Knighthood. They became his Round Table (Luke’s story is almost verbatim that of King Arthur’s). He had them for almost 15 years. Luke was a Jedi Knight a full year after he began serious training. There is no way on Earth that Ben Solo wasn’t a Jedi Knight after 15 years.
>All of Luke’s first class reached Knighthood. They became his Round Table (Luke’s story is almost verbatim that of King Arthur’s). He had them for almost 15 years
what the frick are you talking about nerd, there are no Jedi in the ST
Yes, because that homosexual Ben Solo killed them. Or most of them. But Luke had his first class for 15 years you stupid frick. They all hit at least Knight Status especially 40k M-Count Ben Solo.
frick off with your headcanon
have a nice day
Ben Solo killing Jedi is my headcanon? What?
the squeakels aren't canon anymore.
If it's just the title crawl, it could easily be edited for future releases and retconned.
It'd hardly be the first time star wars retconned shit.
Oh, it's worse. Obi-Wan spared Vader twice, then tried to convince Luke to kill him and threw his hands up when Luke refused to do it.
Actually, what is the point of hiding and training the kids? Obi-Wan has Vader's number. Yoda almost beat Sidious last time. They can handle them together.
>Obi-Wan spared Vader twice, then tried to convince Luke to kill him and threw his hands up when Luke refused to do it.
...holy shit you're right lmao
Which is even more moronic when in every other Disney media (comics, games etc.) Vader IS an unstoppable killing machine. Deborah Chow clearly has no fricking idea about the character.
>Deborah Chow
They let a chink woman ruin the most important part of your franchise.
They really haven't learned a goddamn thing from the sequels.
Man, I'm so glad I'm not a Star Wars fan. The most cucking of a fanbase I've ever seen.
Except that time Starkiller kicked his ass (twice if you count TFU2)
And that time he nearly jobbed to Ahsoka.
And that time he jobs in Fallen Order…
Why the frick would Obi-Wan attempt to turn Luke to the dark side?
frick are you talking about? Killing is not against the jedi code if the person is evil
>Destroy the Sith we must
Luke 's arc was about redemption, he's the only one who believed in Vader, so that was always part of the story, but did Obi-Wan need Luke to do it when he had Vader at his mercy?
Yes, it’s silly. Obi Wan was never meant to be a particularly powerful Jedi at all. According to George Lucas, Obi Wan was actually not just not average, he was actually below average and nowhere near as powerful as a Luke or Anakin or Yoda.
Obi Wan is the classic overachiever (like Han Solo). He’s not a powerhouse
Then why did George write this dialogue: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXDxtzXD388
>Obi Wan was never meant to be a particularly powerful Jedi at all. According to George Lucas
lmao are you moronic? Obi wan was clearly ment to be top tier in his prime. by lucas himself moron
I love Obi Wan, but he was never meant to be a Force God like a Luke or Palpatine or Yoda. He was a cunning warrior, an excellent defensive swordsman, and a moral man.
i dont give a frick whether you love him or not you dumb Black person. and i didnt say he was a god. In his prime he was ment to be in the top tier with the rest one way or the other. You don't need to like it but it was shown and stated in film. get over it homosexual. Lucas trumps whatever headcanon you tell yourself
based moron
Whether you are right or wrong about the intentions -- it's immaterial when we're talking about a series that showed Kenobi singlehandedly defeat Vader a decade+ before he told Luke he had to do it
Watch the series:
-Vader wrecks Obi-Wan in fight 1
-Vader wrecks Reva
-Vader wrecks Obi-Wan in fight 2A
-Vader gets stalemated but still on his feet in fight 2B and begging Obi-Wan to continue fight
I- I - I guess Anakin isn’t powerful guise
Are you 12?
Stop trolling for dates, weirdo
He also defeated Vader on Mustafar at the height of his power. Obi-Wan is just the most suited to fighting him because Vader is ruled by blinding rage when he sees him. He's clearly weaker but can counter Vader perfectly. It's like Paper beating Rock even though a rock is gonna cave your head in much faster than paper
This.
It’s extremely obvious that Anakin is far more powerful than Obi-Wan. It’s also obvious that Obi-Wan just lets Anakin beat himself with his feverish drive to dominate
And a good friend.
Uhhh wasnt Obi Wan literally able to stand toe to toe with Mace?
>Mace
Sure. But again, Mace wasn’t in that top tier of Force User like Anakin/ Luke/ Yoda. He was a lower tier down
he was in the top tier of duelists you moron. He would have fricked anakin up if he decided to fight him in the chamber room
lmao what is this head canon. at the time of RoTS Yoda/Obi wan/Mace were the top three jedi. Anakin was the tier down
LOL. Anakin was was so far ahead of Mace and Obi Wan during RoTS that it wasn’t even close. Obi Wan gets wrecked by Dooku, while Anakin wrecks Dooku.
Anakin also slices off Mace’s arm and kills hundreds of Jedi at the temple at once including humiliating Cin Drallig, the literal battlemaster of the Jedi Order with only one arm while barely trying
Anakin is light years ahead of Obi Wan and Mace
based headcanon moron
>Anakin is light years ahead of Obi Wan
>loses twice
>the latest to an old obi wan picking up a lightsaber for the first time in 9 years
fricking kek at this cope
>Obi Wan gets wrecked by Dooku, while Anakin wrecks Dooku
It's a rock paper scissors thing
Dooku knew how to fight Obi Wan since he was trained by a former apprentice, Qui Gon
Anakin was too much of a loose canon for Dooku
No, Anakin is vastly more powerful than Obi Wan. Anakin is also vastly more troubled than Obi Wan. I watched the series and they fought 3 times.
Vader won 2 of the fights, and Obi Wan tied for the third. Obi Wan just stalemated Vader (but damaged his helmet) and walked away.
Are you literally arguing that Obi Wan is as powerful as Anakin/ Vader?? What in the actual frick?
Anakin/Vader got mauled to pieces by Obi Wan.
Obi Wan is the same dude who beat a Sith Lord as a Padawan then killed General Grievous a renowne Jedi murderer.
Obi Wan >>> Anakin/Vader
Maul is a glorified jobber. He’s no Sith Lord.
Obi Wan has a 15k M Count, while Anakin has a 40k M Count and is the chosen one. Also, Anakin has beaten Obi-Wan on many occasions.
Maul killed a Jedi Master. Full blown lord yes.
Midichlorians are a meme, Obi beat Ani with sheer skill and experience.
>Anakin has beaten Obi-Wan on many occasions
Such as the time Wan let sandbagged on purpose (part of his plan to become a Force Ghost)
Darth Maul couldn't be a sith lord because it breaks the rule of two. (Sidious and Binks are the two sith lords at that time)
> Anakin is also vastly more troubled than Obi Wan.
This is the show we wanted to see: background info on his upbringing, his relationship with Satiné, growing up within the Jedi order, etc. Instead we go t Leia Jr’s escapade and some unknown character no one like getting a redemption arch for no reason.
>This is the show we wanted to see: background info on his upbringing, his relationship with Satiné, growing up within the Jedi order, etc. Instead we go t Leia Jr’s escapade and some unknown character no one like getting a redemption arch for no reason.
This.
I don’t want another Obi-Wan season because you just know that they are going to frick up canon by having Obi-Wan constantly abandon his life duty to Luke to leave the planet (Tatooine) and if that’s the case then I have no desire to see that. But if they did just one more season that was autobiographical and told mostly in Flashbacks like LOST then I could get into it.
- his childhood
- leaving his family
- training with Qui-Gon
- rebellious years
- Love affair w/ Satine
- her death
- Anakin training
- transporting baby Luke across the galaxy
- training with Qui-Gon to become Force Ghost
- learning that Luke is the actual chosen one while in the Force Netherworld
I find it fascinating how open to personal interpretation the power and skill comparison is for Anakin and Obi Wan. I fully admit a personal favoritism of Anakin/Vader, but always interpreted Obi-wan winning the duel on Mustafar by the dumb luck of the Dark Sides clouding of Anakin's reason and logic. He got baited and Obi-wan was able to take advantage of it. Obi-wan went into that fight fully expecting to die trying.
I've never seen Obi-wan as the most skilled Jedi in anything but patience and virtues. Hes certainly a very competent Jedi and is ruled by logic. But he knows facing Anakin is the one match up he cant be logical in and sentiment restricts him
Mace is lauded for his "shatterpoint" ability, but really I think Obi-wan is the real master of such a skill. He's able to capitalize on an opponents personality flaw and goad them into acting in a way hes able to take advantage of in a situation. Nearly every duel of his is won not through his raw skill but by taking advantage of an opponents kind of overconfidence.
always figured he's the most in tune with the light side of the force out of anyone on a spiritual level, so despite not being the strongest or smartest he's got an edge on everyone.
Obi Wan has never been a Jedi Superman like a Luke Skywalker or Yoda. Obi-Wan wins by staying in his lane and outthinking his opponents.
Truthfully, Anakin could probably run right through a hundred powerful Jedi at once and win because of his immense power, but also because those Jedi are literally terrified of him. Obi-Wan knows Anakin. He knows how he thinks and where his flaws are. So he doesn’t have the same unfamiliar fear that a normal opponent of Anakin would. That’s how he gets these underdog victories
that's in part due to how he just naturally relates to the jedi way
meanwhile sheev is his opposite and perfectly relates to the sith naturally
vader/luke is just a vessel and the true conflct is the contrast of light and dark through obi and sheev being exemplars of their own philosophies
Reminder that the "light side" is a misnomer, there is only the force and the dark side of it.
you put about what, a minute of thought into this post? That's more than the director, writer, and all producers put into the ramifications and errors of this show in the 2 and a half years they spent making it
It's really a shame that Mace Windu was the one to die. He could've easily beat both Sidious and Vader and wouldn't have been a pathetic piece of shit like Yoda&Obi who just ran into hiding like pussies. He would've built up an anti empire insurgency and hunted lil ani and his sith daddy down.
>Mace Windu
Soon in Boba Fett, babyyyyy!
Yep. Already resurrected the guy cut in half and lightsaber chest stab wounds are nothing serious now, surely one tough homie can survive falling down from senate
>lightning bolt scars
Poetry
>black character
>has lightning powers
everyfrickingtime
>hen tried to convince Luke to kill him
lol literally what Sheev wanted him to do in ROTJ. The frick is wrong with these writers?
>, then tried to convince Luke to kill him
WHAT THE FRICK?
Luke isn't supposed to know who Vader is until Episode 4. Did he somehow forget at 19?
Obviously we're talking about the OT when Obi-Wan was trying to get Luke to kill Vader, dumbass.
Yeah, Obi Wan hanging around waiting for Luke to grow up only works if Vader is too strong for Obi Wan to handle. Partly Lucas' fault for allowing the duel in ROTS to be so evenly matched.
Yoda's "defeat" doesn't feel that definitive or convincing either. The only way to reconcile it is that they gave up because they knew they couldn't singlehandedly take on the Empire after the Emperor and Vader cemented it. Luke had the organized efforts of the Rebel Alliance; he didn't even confront Vader and the Emperor to kick their asses (he figured his friends would blow them up for him).
It's hard to justify Obi-Wan just leaving Vader again the way he does in this show, though.
What could Obi-Wan gain by continuing to fight? There was a good chance that he would actually lose or die. Once he heard Vader say that he killed Anakin - he no longer felt that intense guilt and apologized and left. Vader wanted to continue the fight but Obi-Wan sees there is no chance to redeem Anakin anymore and so he leaves.
Vader was very clearly beaten.
>Vader was beaten
Vader is a sadistic evil demigod with magic powers. It’s not over until he stops breathing
MORE DISNEY STAR WARS? YES I LOVE IT I LOVE nuCinemaphile WITH ITS 80 IQ PHONEPOSTING USERBASE..
Why are you morons still watching this Mickey Mouse fanfic?
The Sheboon Rises
Heh
Vader who desperately wanted to torture kenobi as revenge for mustafar just burying him under rocks and casually walking back to his shuttle was even more moronic
Putting a Black person sheboon as the villain is the worst shit. Fricking dindus.
saber bouncing off storm trooper
saber bouncing off vaders back
kek
Like how Vader's armor deflected Luke's attack in ESB.
Vader's armor is composed of a weave of one of the only materials that can resist lightsabers.
Let people enjoy things. Get over yourself.
Grew up with the prequels. Loved it despite the hate. Had the games, had the novels/books. Kotor, battlefront, etc. Never got tired of it.. Even as a young man.
Why am I now tired of star wars?
Because Disney turned Star Wars into soulless, idiotic garbage. They milked it dry and killed it, as anyone with a brain knew they would back in 2013. Only NPC's cheered the day they took over.
>Obi-Wan let space 9/11 happen because he was tired and old
>Captain America let 9/11 happen because he was tired and old
I can't wait to see Indiana Jones 5
>the billions on Alderan
That wasn't Vader, it was all Tarkin's game. Vader was just in the room.
they never would have gotten to that point in strength without Vader
Nah, a Sith Lord is powerful, but the combined might of the Imperial Army and Navy are more important.
they never would have gotten to that point in strength without Vader
I find your lack of faith disturbing
if Vader was killed right there and then in OP, youre an absolute moron if you think shit would have turned out the same 10 yrs later. He is right, alderan definitely wouldn't have happen and the empire would be nowhere near that strong.
>Jedis are actually moronic and make the dumbest fricking choices in the name of their religion
It tracks perfectly.
sigh
Vader should've departed after burying Obi Wan and Obi Wan should've found Qui-Gon while buried, to help him escape.
Instead they cut the fight into 2 and had to introduce a moronic start and end to it.
Have Obi-Wan slash vader, gain an upper hand, and then have the chad sith himself get so angry he buries the pain and Obi-Wan.
The Reva stuff was a little contrived but if you ignore the timespans her story checks out. Obi Wan's relationship with the children was nice but jesus they just had to make Leia be that twitter mom's 4yo who just told her about the means of production
The prequels already ruined him.
"Help me again Obi Wan, you're my only hope, again."
"Together we must defeat the Darth"
People still care about Star Wars? It's been dead since Phantom Menace.
the writing is just obnoxious, directing is not much better, sad to see actors struggling with this piece of shit.
I figured they're implying Obi thought he could get Vader to turn on Palps because of Reva, it's just poorly executed.
>Vader makes the choice to send his entire ship after obi-wan and abandon chasing the Rebels instead of just sending a couple tie fighters after the main transport
>After reaching Obi-wan, Vader says "I will deal with him alone" and then goes after him in a shuttle, when he could have just done this in the first place and left the inquisitor to chase the rebels
>Instead of telling the inquisitor to go back and catch up to the Rebels, the crew of the star destroyer just sits there twiddling thumbs in orbit above the Vader/Obi fight planet
>After Obi-wan beats Vader, he hops in his ship and flies off the planet completely un-impeded, despite the fact that Vader left the Star Destroyer up there
Vader doesn’t give a frick about that little band of b***hes. He can kill them any day, but he might never get a chance at Obi-Wan again and he wants that dealt with ASAP.
Then why didn't the star destroyer stop Obi-Wan from leaving and/or track him? If it was that important Vader could have radioed them after he got beat.
better yet, why does the Black person get to live after betraying the Empire, attempting to murder the Grand Inquisitor and trying to kill Vader?
This right here makes negative sense.
I swear I was skipping ahead every time her ugly mug was on screen >HRGGHHH I ANGRYYY HURR DURR
No one knows. I assumed Vader let her live to follow her and lure him to Obi-Wan but that didn't happen.
so they can set her up for a spin off series about her redemption
Easily the worst part of the series. She’s boring, pointless, and confusing, but if you complain, they’ll call you a racist kek.
The series had some neat stuff, but it’s such a mixed bag overall.
Obi Wan saw his friend that he left to burn and die in a lava pit. He still felt tremendous guilt about letting him die
They made Vader lose AGAIN? Disney turned him into a b***hl. Someone like Malgus would beat him blindfolded lol
The old pre-Disney EU had Vader get beaten by everyone and their grandma, including a goddamn Tusken Raider chieftain (albeit one with lots of prep and latent Force potential). Vader was basically the Worf of Star Wars, he would constantly get his ass kicked to make other characters look more badass. The Disney comics actually made Vader seem powerful and intimidating again for the first time in 30 years.
The Vader comics, for the most part, have been uncharacteristically good for Disney Wars. So much so so that noone cares about the mainline title next to it.
Reminder all nu wars is homosexual shit
Disney has gotten Vader right. I’ll give them that. However, they ruined the big 3, the OT, the lore, the brand, wrecked the fanbase beyond repair and turned themselves into a marginal tv company
Reminder all nu wars is homosexual shit
>every single fricking death, the billions on Alderan, the millions over the next 10 years. Hell even all the way up into Return of the Jedi... every person Vader has killed, ordered killed, supervised over killing, etc. ALL CAN BE TRACED BACK TO THIS MOMENT RIGHT HERE
>he was a good friend
Stop spamming star wars garbage and stay in your containment thread
Reminder all nu wars is homosexual shit
Why did Vader build his secret hideout on Mustafar? That would have been like Kennedy's old lady building a summer home on the grassy knoll.
To forever remind him of when/where he lost everything that mattered to him. Also, I think in the old EU there's a Dark Side nexus on Mustafar that's like the cave on Dagobah.
all these Disney shows have made the prequels retroactively good, and I fricking hated the prequels.
what an amazing time we live in.
>Obi beats Anakin once
>Vader beats Obi once
>Obi beats Vader once
>Vader beats Obi but Obi has the spiritual win
Makes sense to me homies
How did Reva heal herself and get to Luke so fast?
This is completely moronic in every way. Why would Obi wan need to train Luke or anything hing if he can take on Vader? It makes no sense.
Yes, it’s dumb and does further damage to the OT.
I believe the writers were not thinking
They need to properly plan the entire story out from Phantom Menace onwards. It’s not that hard. And they need to fix the stinky turd that is the ST. Those movies are so fricking pointless and they diminish everything that ever happened prior to them.