this, Cinemaphile is so fricking moronic they are going to hate watch it and then 10+ months later they will be like "how the frick is this shit getting a second season?", calling it now
Curiosity to see what they actually came up with it.
However, to me it honestly doesn't matter seeing how shitty HB has become. I have little hope. At most the official releases now only matter to base off more fan fiction to write or incorporate bits and pieces.
Btw, pic related was fanart made waaay before releasing anything about the new redesigns.
This shit was supposed to come out like 3 years ago.
Not really. 3 years ago, the pilot was finished and posted for it to be picked up by a studio and/or funded. 2-3 years is the average to produce a whole season of an animated show, especially coming straight from a pilot which needed to be worked out fully. Production takes time and effort and Viv was working on HB at the same time too which wanted to push out first.
It would go terribly, USA version with all the sound effects and cuts. The usual dramatic shtick - horrible food, system, staff organization, quality - but the owner is nice and genuinely trying their best, just naive and putting their energy is the wrong areas. She wouldn't really know why the Hotel is failing. Gordan would see her as too young and naive but well meaning but he would quickly understand that she does care about the Hotel, a lot. She believes in it.
Gordan would think Angel Dust is a shit cook and too sassily aloof but that's just because he doesn't care, there's no motivation - all the recipes are kinda bad and weirdly childish. They're redemption/heaven themed (Charlie's idea). While at first clashing, Gordan would warm up to AD when he would open up to him when it came to Italian cooking (AD was an Italian mobster before dying). AD cares about good, real food. That would be their common ground moment. From there things start to change for the better.
Would have good dramatic scenes with Angel Dust but also lots of sincere heart-retching Charlie-putting-her-life-into-the-Hotel-type B plot too. Good hellish episode with the Hotel actually improving because Charlie listened, understood and made changes with her and the hotel. Good ending.
There's no way Husk went untouched.
All those little card suit symbol details would be such a fricking headache to deal with. And honestly I hope he does get changed.
All those ridiculous details do is drag him closer on the scale towards pic related, not improve his design.
There's gotta be more subtle ways to do a card motif.
His design has been discussed to death even here too, especially when the pilot first came out. pic related.
Lots of cool ideas over the years have been brought up to change him a lot more too because his design is so busy that he still ends up visually pretty indistinct.
To this day, I still like the idea of leaning in more on the sphynx motif cuz he already is a cat with wings. He is a barman and gambled as a human. Make greed his motif even more distinct with a golden Vegas sphynx look. >A military vet who lost himself after being discharged, gambling away in Vegas and alcohol. Before his overdosed demise, he did manage to hold one job - a magician for an act.
(however, even if it was popular fan theory, Vivzie has already clarified that his backstory for sure is not gonna have anything to do with Vietnam war. bleh) Others have suggested making him a "fatcat" - it also changes his silhouette to stand out more.
As a gambler, hiding cards in his wings is a pretty clever idea but then why paste the symbols so tackily on them? It's too vulgar imo. Unless that is his divine punishment (he can't hide his cards anymore or something like that) it seems very unnecessary. As you said, it sucks to animate, could have done something subtle.
There's no way Husk went untouched.
All those little card suit symbol details would be such a fricking headache to deal with. And honestly I hope he does get changed.
All those ridiculous details do is drag him closer on the scale towards pic related, not improve his design.
There's gotta be more subtle ways to do a card motif.
I genuinely love these designs more than the show. I think theyre simultaneously more subdued which allows the characters body language to express themselves. And they each have their own personality and job, so I feel like they’d all have a purpose in this new setting, unlike in Hazbin where they just kind of meander around. This design also feels like a good pitch - just a glance I already know the premise, and it intrigues me.
Not having an ugly ass red background all the time is easy on the eyes too. I think that helps the red in the uniform pop out better, and a more subdued background with the subdued designs has less stuff going on, so it’s easier to follow characters
Same and agreed, that's why I posted them. The artist with these little comics is honestly giving me what I wanted from HB - a more episodic in-the-life-of type of thing with a bigger purpose/goal slowly overarching everything.
Though even this artist has done more colored pieces. Just for this comic she reduced the colors for stylization and focus. I still do like her designs though, she beings way more distinct forms in all of the character while still keeping it cohesive. The reduced palette just shows it even better.
I feel like the concept of redemption and heaven/hell made Hazbin too big in scope to ever satisfy its own premise. I think vivzie should have just made a premise like “wacky characters in wacky hotel” and stuck with that. Maybe some hell/demon aesthetics but with the joke that it’s more like Hell’s receptionist/waiting area then Charlie getting into concepts like redemption.
An episodic slice of life format would have allowed vivzie to better utilize the entire cast, and write more scenes with all the characters. The nature of the pilot with a story means she has to introduce characters and focus on plot - the format of the hotel premise allows us to begin without introducing anyone, and we could have more scenes of comedy to make the episode feel more “full”.
What I like most about this premise is it actually has all the characters involved. They feel like coworkers, friends, even family. In the show a lot of characters simultaneously have too much and too little going on, they either drive the story completely or do literally nothing
the reason why charlie looks good in a pantsuit here is because there's no bottom of a white shirt sticking out and because they kept the round cuteness of her face.
Curiosity to see what they actually came up with it.
However, to me it honestly doesn't matter seeing how shitty HB has become. I have little hope. At most the official releases now only matter to base off more fan fiction to write or incorporate bits and pieces.
Btw, pic related was fanart made waaay before releasing anything about the new redesigns.
Cinemaphile will fricking b***h about everything. If they played their boring premise straight you'd all be complaining about it being a monster of the week show with no character depth. All in all while I appreciate HB for what it is, I really don't think The Office: Hitman edition would've carried it as far as it has come.
I remember reading Vivzies zootopia comic before she made HH, and if im being honest I dont think much has changed
its amazing how much she's recycled from that pile of shit. She's just using the Hell subplot in zoophobia for HH.
I’d still be watching if it was monster of the week comedy show instead of gay melodrama show
Stolas was fine as the >you’re running late on the rent
style plot device
As he started popping up more and more, I started liking him less and less. I didn’t care for the last episode of season 1 and I haven’t even bothered watching Season 2 when it became clear it was going to be more of that
I love Stolas outside of him being constantly attached to Blitzo. I've been haphazardly watching off and on and really they should've just axed the Blitzo/Stolas romance angle is indeed, whats weighing down the show since its just inconsistent at worst and really boring at best. Cute but boring. You've got moxie and millie if you want cutesy romance, and they handle it a whole lot better. I get it, they're setting up a redemption arc for blitzo where he stops being a scumbag and realized he TROOLY WUBS Stolas. But its just fricking nonsense to watch in motion.
>I love Stolas outside of him being constantly attached to Blitzo
I don’t know that I’d go as far as saying ‘love’ but I’d generally agree with you’re statement in that it was him being with Blitzo that turned him into this pathetic wimp of a character instead of a prince of hell character he was before
But if he and Blitzo are no longer an item and it goes back to strictly professional, he loses most reason to be on screen anymore.
It’s a similar phenomenon with Loona. People complain about her lack of presence on the show but she’s supposed to be the home team, Mission Control character. Aside from the occasional situation that demands it, she’s not going to be present on missions. Stolas is like a producer for a movie; he’s not likely to be around in the day to day operation of the company, he just ‘bankrolls’ the operation
11 months ago
Anonymous
Eh, I'm a homosexual and Stolas is a cute twink. >But if he and Blitzo are no longer an item and it goes back to strictly professional, he loses most reason to be on screen anymore.
Then that would be the time for actual writing to kick in and invent conflicts outside of interpersonal character drama. Or hell, you'd just remember that Octavia is still trying to have Stolas murdered regularly.
11 months ago
Anonymous
S’way it goes sometimes
Loona is a complete unlikable b***h, literally and figuratively but I still wanna frick her so it leads me to give her a bit more leeway as a character than I likely would if I was gay. If I was gay, I might very well like Stolas more
11 months ago
Anonymous
i'm gay and i think stolas is a flat character with an unsexy design
where the frick are his shoulders
where is his chest
why is his human form a twink in shitty "goth" cosplay and not a silver fox dilf in a suit
charlastor is better than stolitz will ever be
11 months ago
Anonymous
Because Vivzie doesn’t make character designs for gay men. She makes character designs for women that grew up on Invader Z and Ed Edd n Eddy who are these weird goblin looking creatures she ships together. She’s unironically intimidated by traditionally masculine and straight men
11 months ago
Anonymous
That explains why there are no foils of healthy masculine males in the shows to Blitzo and Striker being the definition of what they call chuds.
11 months ago
Anonymous
What makes Striker a chud exactly?
11 months ago
Anonymous
He went from being a Judge Holden crossed with Angel Eyes sort of character to this insecure man-cave dweller with a statue of himself with a huge dick. Also, writing was so bloated with the constant need to cram as much profanity in it as much as possible.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>no foils of healthy masculine males in the shows to Blitzo and Striker
Vortex is pretty masculine but he's not really a foil
11 months ago
Anonymous
I was thinking he was an actually middle aged man in the closet not millennial middle age being 35. Also, I would rather they let him and his family be freakishly strong in spite of their skinny frame for interesting subversions of expectations. Octavia could have been throwing hands with Striker and Stella could be smashing solid oak desks like styrofoam.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah, the fanart makes out hotter than he is in the show too
And you're so right, he could have worked so well as a silver fox if he had the right designer or HH/HB had better human stylization in general.
11 months ago
Anonymous
this is the only art i have so far that actually makes stolas look like a dad, a male parent
he fricking needs a wider frame and thicker arms
someone please get this guy some oats, beef, and eggs
11 months ago
Anonymous
This is why Paimon is such a daddy.
11 months ago
Anonymous
waist is too loose
gimme a REAL dad bod
11 months ago
Anonymous
He has that scrawny but tall aged ectomorph dad bod
11 months ago
Anonymous
yeah
skinny works for alastor but stolas looks SICK like actually ill
11 months ago
Anonymous
Skinny men who look genuinely sick is a byproduct of vivzie being a fujo. Her designs are an unholy combination of yaoi men and tumblr sexy men
11 months ago
Anonymous
This is Viv we are talking about, is a common thing for the characters to look anorexic
11 months ago
Anonymous
>only art i have so far that actually makes stolas look like a dad, a male parent
Wrong!
>Cinemaphile will fricking b***h about everything
Of course. It's a lot more entertaining than actually discussing the show once you run out of things to say about it.
HH and HB are fine, it's just that people expected something else out of it.
Every redesign of Charlie focuses on emphasizing her sweetness and innocence, while Vivzie’s own design make her come across as a bootleg Hillary/Alastor. I feel like the idea of Charlie in Vivzie’s head is different then the Charlie in the fandom’s
If that is the case, idk what Viv thinks the proper portrayal of Charlie is. The entire first episode played her up as a nice girl disney character effectively.
Even her fight with the news lady was self defense lol. She's very bad at being evil.
I think it’s a byproduct of her being a fujo writer (little experience actually writing women) trying to lean too hard into the tumblr sexyman aesthetic (pointed designs, theatrical body language) and maybe being insecure with Charlie being written as a good girl that’s paired up with Alastor. I think Vivzie’s never really satisfied with Charlie but she’s never confident enough to just go all in with making her cute and nice, she keeps trying to give her the same aesthetic and design as Alastor, Angel Dusr, ect.
She used to be more round and soft too. Her hair was looser and tied differently.
She now looks really well put together, should be a later season look. I think the other one was a better vector to project what type of person she is or at least what I think she is supposed to be. Old one gave that determined but naive newbie try her best feeling better than this new one. She also now just blends in too much.
[...]
Honestly, Anon, now that you say it, I think you're right. It seems so. It's a shame because Vivzie's own old art of Charlie seems to way more coincide with what most other people have in mind for Charlie.
This anon was correct. Roundness and softness in design makes a character seem nicer and friendlier. More sharp, pointy, angular shapes and designs are used with Alastor and other demons to make them “threatening.” Vivzie has always struggled with rounder designs because it’s antithetical to her tumblr art style, and Charlie’s character suffers from it. Her redesign makes her look older, more bold, less naive and innocent. Viczie doesn’t want to make Charlie the sweet innocent Angel the fandom sees her as, but I don’t think she’ll really commit to her being more like a “demon” (which ruins her charm and appeal) so I think she’ll wind up bland and boring in the middle. Without her dynamic with Alastor and with a bland pairing with veggie, I think Charlie is really going to suffer as a character
But Viv was doing so good in some her old drawings of Charlie 🙁
The alt outfits were fun and always kept the character in tact to how most already saw her.
11 months ago
Anonymous
This also looks more in mind with the sort of 1920s swanky vibe that’s sort of present in the show and with Alastor. Why is Vivzie so allergic to giving Charlie a rounder/softer/feminine design? All her designs lose their uniqueness and get swept up into the black hole of the generic tumblr Sexyman artstyle vivzie has
11 months ago
Anonymous
I fricking despise this redesign because it clashes so bad. That white piece between her pants and shirt just makes it look like her belly's exposed. Fricking stupid.
White suits Charlie. It matches her skin and goes well with her hair. Vivzie keeps constantly giving her too much red in her outfit and it looks nasty. Why not have white be her dominant color scheme,
11 months ago
Anonymous
You know why
11 months ago
Anonymous
What are the psychological implications of Vivzie’s obsession with the color red? Actual autism?
11 months ago
Anonymous
i feel the same atraction to the color red, even when i see somethig i don't like i kinda start to like it when i see it in red or in a red color pallete. am i autistic?
11 months ago
Anonymous
i feel the same atraction to the color red, even when i see somethig i don't like i kinda start to like it when i see it in red or in a red color pallete. am i autistic?
Have you considered that you and Vivzie are closeted vampires?
11 months ago
Anonymous
maybe that explains my paper white skin, frail body, habit to sleep during the day and work all night, burn under the sun and incapability to relate to normal humans...
11 months ago
Anonymous
that explains a lot
11 months ago
Anonymous
this goes to that
[...]
Have you considered that you and Vivzie are closeted vampires?
She used to be more round and soft too. Her hair was looser and tied differently.
She now looks really well put together, should be a later season look. I think the other one was a better vector to project what type of person she is or at least what I think she is supposed to be. Old one gave that determined but naive newbie try her best feeling better than this new one. She also now just blends in too much.
Every redesign of Charlie focuses on emphasizing her sweetness and innocence, while Vivzie’s own design make her come across as a bootleg Hillary/Alastor. I feel like the idea of Charlie in Vivzie’s head is different then the Charlie in the fandom’s
Honestly, Anon, now that you say it, I think you're right. It seems so. It's a shame because Vivzie's own old art of Charlie seems to way more coincide with what most other people have in mind for Charlie.
Im the anon you responded to, and this has done nothing to convince me. She put on contact lenses and wore more red clothes. And tied her hair up differently. You guys are not doing a good job of convincing me that I am a "based blind moron"
Waayyyy too angular way too sharp. The curves added to her kind and bubbly nature. I usually shit on curvy lines in western character design because u get calart type results if overused but this is the exception.
the point is having a character that contrasts and stands out among the rest of the cast
pilot Charlie has rounder edges around all the outlines which is a huge contrast with all the sharp lines the demons in hell have, this helps with her personallity of being sweet and all that
by removing that with redesign Charlie, she meshes more with the bg characters so your MC is not always sticking out on the view so there could be a possibility of you losing sight of her without even noticing
the other important character with those traits is Angel, but his base desing pretty much stands out easily so it gives you the impression that Charlie feels like a generic filler character
I fricking despise this redesign because it clashes so bad. That white piece between her pants and shirt just makes it look like her belly's exposed. Fricking stupid.
Red Pants REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Never confirmed for next month, as of now. Just summer 2023, which could also mean August or even September. A lot of media, at least ones on streaming, have been putting out trailers closer to the release dates lately, and usually put out marketing after that.
That being said it is concerning that we don't even know what streaming service it's gonna be on or the fact that A24 has done barely anything to promote the show at all. Never once retweeted any of the HH teasers and hasn't even put it in the coming soon bio, despite featuring plenty other films and TV with months in advance. Bento Box has done more to promote it than A24.
I get the feeling if the show ends up being successful enough to get a second season, A24 will probably sign the show off to another company to produce, which is probably whoever gets the streaming rights. Either that or it ends up as a Ren & Stimpy situation where the original creator gets kicked off for not complying with deadlines and a new one is put in.
With the latter option it is interesting because there has been something going around here that maybe Viv has been fired from HH through Zoom for being unprofessional. Probably not true, but it's not something that would surprise me.
Bro we look at the show and see its design and art for what it is and we get called blind morons what. How do you people like this like its not bad but I dont think its good
I bet they're unveiling it at SDCC (or maybe the D23 expo, it will probably be on Disney+) and pushing it to Halloween. That would bring an exact 4 year period between the pilot and the series.
It's made by Bento Box, who previously made animated sitcoms for Fox that are all owned by Disney now, they already have a thing going. so, it's likely.
> Vivzie makes innocent cutie character > makes her generic demon type
Charliebros I don’t feel so good…
11 months ago
Anonymous
No, her two sides make her even hotter + gives dimension. She's not a pushover but most see her as that because she chooses to be ethical and nice, and her having this power or evil side creates the game of if she has limit. When will she snap? How ill she snap? Something Alastor would probably like to play with.
Anyway, now she can be soft and cute or demonic and sexy. It's an overused trope but I like it with Charlie.
Plus, her demonic form is kinda more distinct than others - she is a half angel and seems to have a much more minimalist design than others.
For what we've seen and projected upon so far - the pilot and some promo -
RANK the main cast to who you like and would like to see personal expectations fulfilled!
>Charlie = Alastor > AD = Husk = Nifty = Vaggie
Honestly, I think it's a solid cast. Don't think anyone is out of place, just needs lots of tweaking (like Husk).
My opinion from Charlie will depend how long she keeps the peaceful attitude, because it can get very annoying. I'd prefer it if she's like molly mcgee where her positivity is just a cope to her insecurities, and she has to put actual work to achieve her dreams.
Alastor will be the typical sexy tumblr man like the pilot. As long as he's funny then I'm fine with it.
Angel Dust and Husk could steal the show if they're well written and aren't one note jokes half the time.
Vaggie and Niffty will just be there.
Vaggie is probably one of the moral characters, because her sins are largely just due to being a prostitute and MAYBE being a lesbian, so she's relatively angelic.
Alternate universe where this show actually has good writing, funny jokes isn't produced by a BPD ladder-pulling lolcow titcow b***h, and the characters actually have coherent designs, with fanservice a plenty
BUT
the prodiction value ranges from barely impressive to downright nonexistent
I'm talking Lobo-webseries tier, step below space patrol luluco, approaching inferno cop, made on a budget of a ham sandwich and 3 hours of TTS twitch superchats, in a 20 year old version of flash from back when it was owned by macromedia, could be made in a week by a 14 year old with a copy of an early 2000s "how to draw anime" book, voice actors are middle-quality comic dub actors with second-hand usb mics, music just produced enough to not sound like default windows midi soundfont tier shit-tastic
holy shit angels actually huge in this
i figured he was tall but at this size his proportions seem feasible and he looks like he could take on an entire swat team with his bare hands
hot
> Vivzie originally shipped Alastor/Charlie, or at least was fine with ship baiting for fan engagement > made Alastor “ace” for no reason cause some guy on her team suggested it > kept this despite the controversy, Charlastor fans being one of her biggest audiences, and the guy who suggested ace Alastor leaving > made Charlie/Veggie a thing for more twitter points > Vivzie seething Charlastor is ridiculously popular and moggs Charlie/Veggie
Vivzie has a long history of being a stubborn, annoying person to work with. She made some regarded creative decisions, doubled down on them, and gets mad when people criticize her for it. My schizo theory is that Alastor reminds her of her ex, and that the studio has been trying their hardest to push Charlastor/scrap Charlie/Veggie. Vivzie, having no concept of good writing and a stubborn person who doubles down on bad decisions and responds poorly to criticism, kept becoming more and more aggressive to it over time.
Can’t really speak to the Charlie Alastor ship but it does seem like Viv cares when the audience doesn’t fall in line with her thinking on characters.
Kinda seems that way when she’s been on a tear to make Stella a complete irredeemable monster because people went the route of >ok Stella is kind of a nag but Stolas is a cheating butthole so he kind of is the offending party here
He voted for George W. Bush. Who knows how many Republicans he voted for? Most fans, myself included, believe he would've drawn the line at Trump, but according to Viv, Trump supporters go to hell, so if Hank filled in that bubble, he's damned.
Per Viv's criteria, that sounds about right >Trump
He wouldn't vote for Trump. Not because of his policies but because he eats well-done steak with ketchup.
I like to think that everyone who goes to Vivize's hell who are just like mildly buttholeish or just are unbelievers just look like normal guys with horns or maybe purple skin. If you look like someone like Angel Dust, it reflects that you were a horrible person in life, which fits because he was a mobster who was probably pretty unstable. Vaggie for comparison was just a prostitute so she gets a more humanoid look.
Maybe if you were a big enough butthole, you'll turn into a dog or a wolf furry thing. I like to think it's a little ironic though. Like I know Hitler, for some reason, is just erased, but I like to think he would be turned into a rat because of how much he said other people were like rats.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Maybe if you were a big enough butthole, you'll turn into a dog or a wolf furry thing.
Kek >turn into a dog sinner >get mistaken for a hellhound and treated like shit by most of society >cant hang out with hellhounds cause they know what you are and dont want anything to do with you
Fitting punishment for furries
11 months ago
Anonymous
That would make for a good part of a character's background. Imagine someone like that who'll have to take the dirtiest jobs because of their status or how they can take refuge in their state as an ignored outcast.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I'm pretty sure Viv has confirmed that the forms sinners take do have something to do with their actual sins.
But you can become a giant cat like Husker at least! Close enough!
11 months ago
Anonymous
But Loona probably hates cats...
... Which I guess would be pretty fitting for hell.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>tfw you die and end up in Viv's hell >realize you can meet Loona >turns out she hates cats, and you wound up rolling 'cat furry' on the sinner lottery
No wonder the man drinks.
Oh, I like that a lot anon.
Never thought about it like that. That's good
Though Pentious is really out there in his sinner form, even though he just seems to be pretty ok on the evil scale. Goofy Victorian inverter engineer, I guess it gives credence to how evil and destructive he was.
I don't think Viv has read the Bible. She only took the cool fanfictiony scripture and read the wiki pages about them.
[...]
Maybe in Vivize's universe, the only people who go to Heaven are Mormons like South Park, so practically everyone goes to hell lul
[...]
I wonder if we will ever get clearly defined rules of what justifies going to heaven (or even what gives one the ability to traverse the different rings).
For example could someone willingly switch places with a sinner after dying to access hell and forfeit their ticket to heaven?
She's clearly making out heaven to bad and corrupt. Just look at Adam. Bastardized.
So, naturally she would make heaven be really unforgiving to who gets in.
Vivzie unironically knows nothing about religion or theology. It’s hilarious watching people trying to figure out muh symbolism when Vivzie’s entire “worldbuilding” is shitty pop culture religion, and even then just the most bare one aspects of it. She doesn’t care about actual theology or theology questions, it’s just a backdrop for her quirky tumblr show.
I like to think that everyone who goes to Vivize's hell who are just like mildly buttholeish or just are unbelievers just look like normal guys with horns or maybe purple skin. If you look like someone like Angel Dust, it reflects that you were a horrible person in life, which fits because he was a mobster who was probably pretty unstable. Vaggie for comparison was just a prostitute so she gets a more humanoid look.
Vaggie was actually a good person and she didn’t do anything wrong, god just sent her to hell for being a brown lesbian
Unironically Jack handles theology better. doesnt hurt that Hopkins has clearly at least familiarized himself with the bible and Dante’s Inferno past knowing the nine rings of hell.
tbh i'm surprised she didn't pull that and pick some super obscure branch of some religion is the only one who got it right
I wonder if we will ever get clearly defined rules of what justifies going to heaven (or even what gives one the ability to traverse the different rings).
For example could someone willingly switch places with a sinner after dying to access hell and forfeit their ticket to heaven?
Alastor is going to betray Charlie at some point and be the main villain.
That's so obvious it isn't even funny right? Like, even if Charlastor does briefly become a thing, it's probably only so that he has an in road to taking a shot at her Dad.
That or he's gonna manipulate her into accepting a deal with him once she's in an impossible bind.
The funny thing is, Vivzie wants to make Alastor evil to sink Charlastor, but all this does is:
> make Charlie and Alastor the driving force of the story > make them intertwined with each other’s character arcs > makes them each other the focus of each others motivation
It would be hilarious if Vivzie making Alastor a full villain actually makes the Charlastor shippers even more feverous
Same, I would always escape back to all the fan content that delivers. I know it's a popular theory but do you think Alastor being actually Lucifer, Charlie's dad, has any chance to actually happen?
I do think there's a slight chance of it, especially when an anon claiming to know Viv said that she's planning something big to "get back" at Charlastor shippers. Luci and Al are really similar, but I think fans would be way too upset if Lucifer was Alastor, not just the Charlastor shippers but like most viewers in general would hate that twist. So I hope she won't. I do think Alastor has something to do with Lucifer and Lilith though.
>Viv said that she's planning something big to "get back" at Charlastor shippers.
But why does she need to get back at Charlastor shippers? I've never cared for shipping myself, preferring to let the story unfold, but who cares. Why get so bent out of shape that you take it out on a section of your fanbase just because they like something you don't want them to? I heard she wants to do the similar things with the people who ship MoxiexLuna, but there's no truth to it as far as I know.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Because they dared make the first "Charlastor Day" aka a day celebrating the one year anniversary of the ship the same day as her birthday, which is the day Hazbin Hotel first debuted.
Yeah, she's literally that petty.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Holy shit. Now I definitely believe. She's a salty b***h ain't she?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>"Charlastor Day" aka a day celebrating the one year anniversary of the ship
What the frick is wrong with people?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>What the frick is wrong with people?
They are bored with waiting for the show so they shitpost.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Shipping days (or shipping theme weeks) exist since the myspace days.
It's to curb and encourage the content mill.
Curious that the concept seems to surprise people.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You're asking that to HAZBIN HOTEL FANDOM?
C'mon.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Oh, man you would love reading her responses to fans on her twitter or wherever she posts those long responses. That's Viv. She has a hard time ignoring others but at the same time keeps talking about how she creates things how she wanted them to be, regardless of what other people think and so on and on. Her orbiters also seem insane. Last thread we had pic related. Nobody knew for sure if they were trolling or not (they kept on replying to other posts too). That anon did seem to have lots of inside info if you kept it civil with them.
And as to shipping, she's just spiteful. Apparently, she gets harassed by some bad apple charlastorgays, so ig she feels justified in ruing something that has that fan pull because we're all bad now. There really is no good reason for doing this, it only robs people of entertainment they want to see. They're fans! You could gain so much more by not killing aspirations and letting it fuel the fandom. She just can't be neutral on this.
ig she just can't let people think what they want about her characters. We must have the same image of the character as she sees it in her head.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I've seen just a few of those "bad apple Charlastorgays" in her replies. Every single one was quite obviously a young teenager and most of them didn't speak English as a first language.
She's literally beefing with children about it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Pretty much. I can only imagine that she gets a bunch of letters from time to time from the most autistic Charlastorgays or maybe even psyop-ers. That one poster
Oh, man you would love reading her responses to fans on her twitter or wherever she posts those long responses. That's Viv. She has a hard time ignoring others but at the same time keeps talking about how she creates things how she wanted them to be, regardless of what other people think and so on and on. Her orbiters also seem insane. Last thread we had pic related. Nobody knew for sure if they were trolling or not (they kept on replying to other posts too). That anon did seem to have lots of inside info if you kept it civil with them.
And as to shipping, she's just spiteful. Apparently, she gets harassed by some bad apple charlastorgays, so ig she feels justified in ruing something that has that fan pull because we're all bad now. There really is no good reason for doing this, it only robs people of entertainment they want to see. They're fans! You could gain so much more by not killing aspirations and letting it fuel the fandom. She just can't be neutral on this.
ig she just can't let people think what they want about her characters. We must have the same image of the character as she sees it in her head.
already clearly demonstrated how much the ship bothers Viv, confirming trolling with it could easily work. Wouldn't surprise me that a few trolls became interested in doing some Charalstorgayging just to frick with her and creating a bad image for the rest.
>If she tells you not to ship it, and her fans tell you not to ship it, DON'T!
That is hilarious! Viv and her close supporters literally telling people "if I don't like it, and I don't support it, you're not allowed to either!"
I always love to see people get like this and laugh. Like, really? Take your meds and get a fricking grip.
kek yup.
What I find also funny about the post, is that they pick who are the fans. >>her fans tell you not to ship it
You can't just like something and also be critical of it and then consider yourself a fan
The biggest haters/alogs, usually tend also once have been great fans.
The whole thread kinda got derailed with many articulating this idea in various ways, mostly in a combative way of course. Though I totally buy that they were not a troll. He had quite the inside info to layout, so I can see the kid knowing some in the inner circles.
Shame that this also indicates that this must be a shared train of thought.
If anyone cares to read the source, it's still not yet archived
[...]
11 months ago
Anonymous
>If she tells you not to ship it, and her fans tell you not to ship it, DON'T!
That is hilarious! Viv and her close supporters literally telling people "if I don't like it, and I don't support it, you're not allowed to either!"
I always love to see people get like this and laugh. Like, really? Take your meds and get a fricking grip.
I think in a weird way Alastor and Lucifer have switched. > Alastor was originally the tumblr sexy man of the show > vivzie has been trying to make him more of a villain recently > Lucifer was portrayed more as a distant, villainous figure > recent portrayals and redesigns by Vivzie have made him more likable and friendly
I think vivzie is going to try and push Lucifer and make Alastor hated
>I think vivzie is going to try and push Lucifer and make Alastor hated
Then why keep the character at all? I mean in all honesty, if you're going to change so much about the character you worked so hard to create, that now feels like you hate, then just ditch the character all together and create a new one with similar traits to the original but different enough. Why change an already established character, possibly just to make them hated, instead of just getting rid of them in favor of something you feel would work better for what you want? Because the only reason it seems is purely to punish those who like what you made in a way you don't want them to. Not only does it seem extremely petty and spiteful to do to those who support you, but also that you don't care about the characters and story enough to keep it consistent.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Because that’s what happened. Vivzie is spiteful and petty, and she doesn’t care about the characters and consistency or story
From the insider info that she has a killer move to end it all, making Alastor = Lucifer would stop a lot of people from making charlastor content, witch is pretty sad on its own. Also if you really just want to get rid of him you could kill/redeem him in the last episode of the first season. i mean all of those are shit ideas and would be super petty but hey I’m not the one who hates charlastor homies. But I’m sure its just gonna be vaggie x charlie for 6 season and like some lines between charlie and Alastor that keeps anons rooting for them
It will be revealed that Alastor is Charlie's actual father, we find out he's basically the John Redcorn of the Hellaverse with Lucifer being cucked unwittingly.
This is how the Charlastor ship will die.
11 months ago
Anonymous
But Alastor died in 1930-something and Charlie is like 300 years old
vivzie doesn’t understand that if she makes Alastor Charlie’s dad or whatever, they will either make multiple alternate versions of Alastor, or fully embrace Alastor being a psycho who wants to full his daughter. Like you said it cannot be stopped
The funny thing is, Vivzie wants to make Alastor evil to sink Charlastor, but all this does is:
> make Charlie and Alastor the driving force of the story > make them intertwined with each other’s character arcs > makes them each other the focus of each others motivation
It would be hilarious if Vivzie making Alastor a full villain actually makes the Charlastor shippers even more feverous
That's what most call intrigue. Now romanticize by adding some dimension to the character dynamic and relationship.
Everybody can tell that something is off with Al, he might not outright plan to do something right from the start, but he is someone who will probably always take the chance to do something he finds some self-interest in, be it merely just entertainment.
And as most Charlastor fans would argue, the dynamic between them is great, it's entertaining to watch, especially how their motives and motifs intermingle. It honestly doesn't need to be romantic, they are a joy just seeing them interact with each other. There's so much great fan interpretations that try and fulfill that exception:
Now if you care about romance: he was clearly playing Charlie but is he is not enjoying a bit too much as well?
The structure of the writing and premise means Charlie and Alastor are a duality, like Yin and Yang. It’s literally part of the foundation of the series. Alastor exists as someone who shows up out of interest in Charlie, his motivations center around her and her motivations. He is her “antagonist”, the person who most consistently challenges her and makes Charlie a better character. And Alastor is Charlie’s ultimate challenge - the show is a better of their wills and ideology. This is one of the primary reasons for Charlastor’s popularity, and Vivzie is oblivious to this because she’s incapable of good writing.
Also charlie always looks really good wearing those old timey 1920’s style hats and dresses, got any more of that?
It just adds to the appeal. It was a popular theory for a long time that Alastor is gunning for Charlie's family and is going to try to usurp the royalty or something, but it won't exactly go according to plan.
I fear the actual show won't have that level of intrigue. Or a proper heaven vs. hell arc.
>even if Charlastor does briefly become a thing
God please let it even briefly be a thing.
This reminds me of how in SVTFOE I shipped TomStar and was so happy for every episode indulging it, even if they weren't the final ship.
I will always be grateful of how many TomStar moments I can replay. <3
I'm honestly warming up to the designs and animation. It's really well rigged, it looks great but, most importantly, expressive! I still just worry about the writing, VA and character personalities.
Red, white, yellow, black, and some in-between shades are basically the only colors Vivzie ever uses. Some secondary characters like Ozzy, Fizzarolli, and the TV-head guy also use blue-green. other than that, but the entire main cast for both of her Hell shows is just those four colors.
thinking alastor and charlie are going to be a thing ever
read the thread moron. Nobody thinks it will actually happen. Poeple just like the ship. We all know how Viv feels about it. Doesn't mean shippers stop fantasizing about what-ifs and arguing about the decision to cuck them altogether. It's just hopeful wishing and theorizing for Charlie and Alastor to interact. Same goes to VaggiexAD who have not yet annoyed Viv enough for her to scathe them too.
She has already said that Vaggie and Charlie are still GFs.
It's funny listening to fans arguing about these two in the videos comment section.
I'll give Tracy credit, you don't see her getting all butt hurt over her fanbase shipping. It also helps that Freckle and Ivy are the only real item in the show and comic and people have them as their main ship anyway.
In never read the source material but it was better then vizzies shit
I thought the main character was an obnoxious homosexual , thought I did like tiger stripes, even if he was an edgelord cliche. Would watch more if they ever make any
ya ever wonder if Angel was let go because he would accept voicework for rival animated projects?
he's the VA for lackadaisty and even murder drones, right? Maybe that actually pissed Viv off, if you consider the leaks where she doesn't want any animators working on diff shows while they're under her.
I think assuming she would be petty enough to do that is correct. It doesn't help either that his girlfriend (Ashley Nichols) is also making her own show which Viv is also viewing as competition.
This is why I have the slightest bit of hope that Ed Bosco is still voicing Alastor. Ed hasn't gone off and done any other indie projects to my knowledge, and he even covered Viv's ass when they couldn't afford to get Norman Reedus to voice Striker again.
I think it's part of the Erin Frost leaks, where she talks about how animators weren't allowed, or were highly discouraged or something, to work on other shows while animating for HB.
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The VAs themselves aren't even entirely sure what the intention was, but allegedly Viv disclosed that she never intended to keep anyone other than Ed and Michael, and ended up going without them because she's petty about people associating with anyone other than her.
Michael has outright said on his Twitter that it wasn't because of the union, that he was willing to join and could use being on HH as his opportunity for sponsorship.
>Michael has outright said on his Twitter that it wasn't because of the union, that he was willing to join and could use being on HH as his opportunity for sponsorship.
Source?
Also you cannot just "join" an union in the US because you want to.
That's not how it works legally.
>Michael has outright said on his Twitter that it wasn't because of the union, that he was willing to join and could use being on HH as his opportunity for sponsorship.
Source?
Also you cannot just "join" an union in the US because you want to.
That's not how it works legally.
Also why tf would you not open the entire CC list?
Ed ain't on there and at this point it's long been known that if anyone stays it's him and no one else.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>bullsnyc23
That's quite obviously Ed. He's a huge Bulls fan.
11 months ago
Anonymous
that might be it, ty
[...]
That should answer it all for you.
Kind of but it doesn't make a solid argument.
Being part of a union is never a guarantee to be recast - it's the other way around.
Being an union member is the very first requirement you need to fulfill in this case.
So our three requirements are
a) You want to be a part of that specific Union.
b) They need to want you as a member.
c) The creative director who picks the members that get used needs to want you for that specific role.
And with non-disclosure agreement in place (which there absolutely are, seeing as they are standard in the industry) there is no way to say who was stuck at which of the three requirements.
Still shitty all around but I'm sick and tired of people being "boohoo poor pilot cast babies" and all that "ohhh it was so unexpected".
Especially since it is a pilot this is about.
11 months ago
Anonymous
She's not going to suck your dick, man.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I don't need a dick to be annoyed about literal adults begging for white-knighting from their respective fans and getting coddled despite them simply being part of a normal business relationship which happened to have ended.
11 months ago
Anonymous
11 months ago
Anonymous
Are you 5? Anything at work that you don't get in writing and seems to be in your favor is a lie.
In the end only written contracts count. It's not rocket science.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Oh no, I am 5, you got me. Guess I'll go back to kindergarten now, it was fun while it lasted.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Okay, so elaborate. You do believe it's smart to rely on hearsay in a professional (or what should be professional) work environment to protect your own interests as an employee is what I'm getting.
Since apparently that is not what you mean, please explain.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I'll elaborate on how she's not going to suck your dick, man.
>Michael has outright said on his Twitter that it wasn't because of the union, that he was willing to join and could use being on HH as his opportunity for sponsorship.
Source?
Also you cannot just "join" an union in the US because you want to.
That's not how it works legally.
Well, Vivienne, hope it was worth it to frick over your whole pilot cast for some C-list Broadway actors.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I knew the replacements were going to be shit, i just knew it. This is all so dumb, why replace your beloved pilot actors the fandom loved so much for years? I mean, I get it if you got the money for some real talent like getting Rob Pulsen for Angel but she doesn't.
Vivzie’s a cold b***h. She threw everyone who helped her make the show under the bus for what is going to a mediocre one season flop. It’s Shakespearean
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah.
Seeing the previews for the official Hazbin Hotel, it makes me think Vivzie kind of threw away something really special (based on how good and expressive the pilot animation was in comparison).
11 months ago
Anonymous
She got what she really wanted in the end. A studio production and Broadway voice actors. And in fulfilling her dream, she ruined what made the pilot for Hazbin good and what made people like it. Now she's going to be pissing off a large percentage of her fans, Hazbin will inevitably be bad coming from a studio that's never worked with animation before, and there will be no second season. It's a direct parallel to what happened with Helluva Boss. She had a good premise and executed it on the altar of her fujoshi nature.
But Viv got to meet her Broadway heroes so it's all worth it!!!!!!!
11 months ago
Anonymous
Women, man.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah... It's sort of weird because I assume part of why she drew so many Patreon supporters (or whatever) is because of the whole indie, small creators following their passion thing.
But then the football got kicked out of their hands into the industry's instead.
It's also weird because Viv honestly might not be that great of a creator on her own. She might have abandoned people that were propelling it further than she could have done by herself. I have a feeling that Ashley Nichols for instance might be a better animator than Vivzie from the small bits I've seen. Not sure.
11 months ago
Anonymous
To extend my feeling further, I guess it's almost like Vivzie introduced a really good premise, and people took that premise and ran with it and were building something BETTER than vivzie's actual own original ideas.
but when she left those people behind, all that was left were viv'z own actual ideas and her own decisionmaking which didn't have as much magic unfortunately
I am not sure if what I'm saying is accurate to how things have actually gone.
11 months ago
Anonymous
To extend my feeling further, I guess it's almost like Vivzie introduced a really good premise, and people took that premise and ran with it and were building something BETTER than vivzie's actual own original ideas.
but when she left those people behind, all that was left were viv'z own actual ideas and her own decisionmaking which didn't have as much magic unfortunately
I am not sure if what I'm saying is accurate to how things have actually gone.
I think you're right on the money. Just off the top of my head besides Ashley, Daria Cohen animated a lot of the best moments in the pilot, and KenDraw wrote a lot of the plot and dialogue for the pilot as well. I think a lot of talented people worked on the pilot but now every few months there's a new call for applicants at SpindleHorse meaning they're losing people that frequently and they're hiring fans instead who will be yes-men to Viv who attack anyone who dare criticize their queen. Inevitably these are the people who will write about how bad their experience with Viv was a year later when the scales fall from their eyes that Viv is a horrible boss who treats her employees terribly.
But who is the person who no one can be friends with and what was their crime?
I don't know for sure but I get the vague hint that it's Ashley because of the HuniCast and her obviously being close with Michael and Ed.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Ashley is no longer associated with Hazbin, right?
I also think part of the problem of deciding the platform for it is what the intended audience is supposed to be. The only people who will be watching it are the curated audience who have already followed it for years.
Please god let pic related be true and about Viv, it would be so funny
11 months ago
Anonymous
She was never an underdog or anything. Pretty sure her family must be rather wealthy.
11 months ago
Anonymous
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/131932993/#131938955
Sounds just like her.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Would be funny. It's believable because there has been zero marketing; he was probably right about them relying on the online following.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Please god let pic related be true and about Viv, it would be so funny
Anybody can make up shit here, I only believe leakers who have actual footage, like the ones leaking storyboards.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Then why was she at the wrap party
11 months ago
Anonymous
The funny thing is there are so many walking disaster female showrunners is that there’s so many of them people had more than option for this who was kek. Rebecca Sugar? Noelle Stevenson? Dana Terrace? Vivziepop? I see this image pop up every time one of these showrunners fricks up and it’s hilarious it can apply to all of them
11 months ago
Anonymous
True, though the post after was pretty blatantly about A24
11 months ago
Anonymous
Elaborate on the merch section
11 months ago
Anonymous
Tbh it's probably fake but just from process of elimination you can knock out at least Dana (still working on TOH in 2022 and said herself she wants to take a break from cartoons) and Sugar (Cinemaphile doesn't really talk about her anymore). After that it's Noelle (but Cinemaphile only really talks about her these days to obsess over her personal life, I don't know what she's working on these days) and Vivzie. If this were real, it's most likely about her.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Look as much as people hate Dana, Dana is also a WORKER. Not a great one from the way she whines but she is the kind of person who seems like she gets the idea of timelines, deadlines and work production.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Guilty until proven innocent right? No proof or name given but doubtless Cinemaphile will keep running with this theory for ages. As is tradition.
If this is true then Bosco is truly cucked for continuing to help Viv in HB, even bailing her out when the celebrity she hired as a publicity stunt predictably refused to come back.
11 months ago
Anonymous
He voices a bunch of side characters.
Millie's dad
the bouncer at Ozzie's
The hellhound guy from the unreleased Season 1 Episode 8
Now Striker
11 months ago
Anonymous
The most dedicated friends are often the ones who dont see the problem in front of them.
I became aware of this comic forever ago by some avatargay on /b/
He was an obnoxious butthole so I never looked into it out of petty spite
I finally checked it out when this video came out and I am shocked that I could read through it all in a day
Like I know the artist puts a ridiculous amount of effort into it but damn
I read this comic but I don't remember jack shit about it. Very, very unmemorable and I can't tell what the lasting appeal is, aside from the atmosphere.
angel dust goes on a drunken antisemitic rant while husk pretends to listen polishing a glass and trying his best to not let any of angels antiquated casual bigotry mentally register
I actually think you’d be pretty good if you tweet it with something like “OMG GUYS PLLLZZZZ don’t watch this it’s so offensive and racist. @vivziepop can we please do something about this????”
>Angel Dusts chinese cowboy impression is so offensive that Vivzie's stomach ulcer practically explodes and she is unable to ask Angel to stop being so fricking racist.
anon you have no idea how much your vocaroo means to me. i cannot explain it but it has touched the deepest parts of my soul. i feel truly blessed. best timeline
> S2 E1: 10 months ago > S2 E2: 8 months ago > S2 E3: 3 months ago > S2 E4: 4 weeks ago
What caused such a huge drop off? S2 E2 and S2 E3 were five months apart but had almost the same amount of views. S2 E4 had barely a two month difference and nearly half the views
11 months ago
Anonymous
>What caused such a huge drop off?
Quality taking a nosedive and Viv deciding to make Loona mute.
If she's afraid of Loona outshining everybody she can sideline her until her fanbase wittles down to 5 people.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Is Loona really that big of a draw? I thought it was a meme
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Is Loona really that big of a draw
Yes.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Why? Is it literally just furries watching for a couple of seconds of her being snarky? I feel like the idea of Loona people have is different then what she actually is in the show
11 months ago
Anonymous
Idiotic decision, wrong reason. The VA can deny it all she wants but I think it's more realistic to give her some breathing room at work
If it keeps declining at this rate, by the end of season two it might begin to peak at only 2 or 3 million views. I predict a lot of people will drop it after the Millie episode that's coming. And Viv said it's going to have 4 seasons to tell the whole story? That is NOT happening.
Vivzie really reminds me of Dana Terrace, vastly overestimate how much time she needs and not considering the ability of her team to produce content for that long or the interest of the audience to keep something going for that long. Honestly you could only justify a S3 if you had the 20 million views of the first episode, Vivzie will either be incredibly lucky or incredibly arrogant to try for a season 3, irl shows have been canceled for less then this
11 months ago
Anonymous
Hopefully Viv isn't a groomer as well, but she seems more interested in grown, skinny men than minors (except one depraved piece of art with 17 year old involving snaked fricking in a bathtub and hardcore bondage gear, art style looked too much like Dr. Seuss for my liking to an uncomfortable degree)
11 months ago
Anonymous
> one depraved piece of art with 17 year old involving snaked fricking in a bathtub and hardcore bondage gear
Wat
what
11 months ago
Anonymous
> one depraved piece of art with 17 year old involving snaked fricking in a bathtub and hardcore bondage gear
Wat
what
There's two drawings of him fricking snakes actually.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Viv also included a bio for his mom, who's a snakewoman, that mentions that he got his love of snakes from her.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I feel like people who make this sort of art do not have a good relationship with their parents. I would never want to make 'art' of deviancy and fetishes publicly because it would humiliate my parents. But somehow some people are comfortable making a living off of it, publicly.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Really? My parents wouldn't want me to live in fear of how my actions would make them feel.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I don't know. I know my parents would still love me if I publicly posted snakerape or diaper fetish art or whatever but it is like if I became a pornstar or something. I just don't see how you can be in a career like that and not feel bad for your parents having to carry that image of you.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Unlike becoming a pornstar, you do not HAVE to tell your parents about the fetishes that you draw...
11 months ago
Anonymous
Its just another form of shamelessness stemming from narcissism. I used to have a wannabe artist friend that would get mad if I ever implied there was anything wrong with the gay community or pointed out that maybe he should get an actual job instead of trying to coast by drawing yoshi vore pixel art commissions at his mother's house. The worst part is he's primarily a colorist and his art has only been commissioned by brokedick autists or other "I'm a professional author because I have e-books listed on amazon" types.
Vivzie really reminds me of Dana Terrace, vastly overestimate how much time she needs and not considering the ability of her team to produce content for that long or the interest of the audience to keep something going for that long. Honestly you could only justify a S3 if you had the 20 million views of the first episode, Vivzie will either be incredibly lucky or incredibly arrogant to try for a season 3, irl shows have been canceled for less then this
I'm the kind of dipshit that wants to my stories short. Who the frick wants to make series that are several seasons long instead of 2 or 3 seasons long?
11 months ago
Anonymous
People like Dana and Vivzie vastly overestimate how long their stories take, or they think more seasons = better. In all honestly most series can be done in a short time, especially when you’re under a timeframe and only have so many limited resources so you have to make your story happen faster. A lot of writers frick up by dragging their story out for too long
11 months ago
Anonymous
There is a huge field of difference between them and One Piece's Oda.
Oda made a humongous world because his imagination and vision went out of his hands. There was legit too many relevant countries, rulers, characters, and storylines packed into one.
Dana, Vivzie, and Manga frickers makes these big storylines out of only a few selections of characters. There's about less than ten relevant characters in their stories, and they stretched the frick out of this one piece of character drama for three or four fricking seasons.
In Comparison, TMNT Rise centered its first two seasons around Shredder and Draxion, and they wanted to finish the rest of their shit (The two Turtle sisters, Leo's leadership, Big Mama, and the Krang) in season 3. They wanted to wrap it up as early as they could at a reasonable pace. I bet if they were given another half-season (Nick cut their asses apart in season 2), they would be able to finish everything off with much stronger pacings than seasons 1 and 2.
What the frick would Vivzie do from having a cancelled season?
11 months ago
Anonymous
People like Dana and Vivzie vastly overestimate how long their stories take, or they think more seasons = better. In all honestly most series can be done in a short time, especially when you’re under a timeframe and only have so many limited resources so you have to make your story happen faster. A lot of writers frick up by dragging their story out for too long
>Pilot: 1.8 million likes >S1 E1: 1.9 million likes >S1 E2: 1.7 million likes >S1 E3: 1.5 million likes >S1 E4: 1.2 million likes >S1 E5: 1.3 million likes >S1 E6: 1.5 million likes >S1 E7: 1.2 million likes >S2 E1: 1.3 million likes >S2 E2: 1.1 million likes >S2 E3: 911k likes >S2 E4: 746k likes
It still drops off, but it's not exactly by the same massive amounts at a time. The engagement rate is going up because the views are falling a lot faster, I almost wonder if she's been buying views and tapering off on how many she buys.
I'm not even mad, I've been looking forward to this show for like a year an a half, but I discovered it pretty late. How long have you guys been waiting?
since the pilot.
but dropped after the AD music video because it was dumb and gay, already stirring in the direction of loads of melodrama. Have gained interest back because it's coming out soon.
From the insider info that she has a killer move to end it all, making Alastor = Lucifer would stop a lot of people from making charlastor content, witch is pretty sad on its own. Also if you really just want to get rid of him you could kill/redeem him in the last episode of the first season. i mean all of those are shit ideas and would be super petty but hey I’m not the one who hates charlastor homies. But I’m sure its just gonna be vaggie x charlie for 6 season and like some lines between charlie and Alastor that keeps anons rooting for them
> its just gonna be vaggie x charlie for 6 season and like some lines between charlie and Alastor that keeps anons rooting for them
pretty much. It won't stop people interpreting things how they want to.
frick cartoongays are weak. a little itty bitty dadcest will stop them?
No, it won't matter. Shippers will ship and Charlastorgays will just live in thier versions of the show and escape to fan-content.
Lilith pressuring and threatening Alastor to put a baby in Charlie because she wants grandchildren. And Lucifer rooting for Vaggie because he wants to stay the patriarch of the family….. its all making sens… no I’m not coping at all
>> " Charlie realize she's an obnoxious moral busy-body and the reason she's in hell is because good people don't force their morals on others. and so she decided to solve all her problems by becoming straight and get married with a male along with Vaggie. and they lived super-straight ever after! "
This b***h is crazy delusional >She gave us tight deadlines >Couldnt work on other things >Burnout after what sounds like probably two scenes of work
Jesus christ THIS shit is why modern cartoons suck.
So what is even the point of this show now? Originally Viv claimed she wanted Hazbin to be the "serious show" as opposed to Helluva Boss being the "funni more lighthearted show", but now that it has become a soap opera about homosexual romance, where does that leave us?
>This shit is supposed to come out next month.
Wait, you're fricking telling me THIS SHIT HASNT COME OUT YET?
I refuse to believe all these years of standing whatever the frick those character designs are supposed to be, this show hasnt come out. What did come out from Vizziethefrick? Was it another show entirely? The two of them blend together much like every design is prosopagnosia-inducing, so makes sense.
>What did come out from Vizziethefrick?
Helluva Boss.
And she's busy refusing to give Loona lines because people like her more than the homosexual owl.
>Wonder if it hasn't come out due to the writer strike
in b4 they were finished writing before it happened.
Uh huh. And Viv released this pilot back in 2018
So are there MAPs sinners in hell? They got trannies, nonbies, acers, aspies and two spergs, but will they also include the most hated twitter gender/sex of all?
Interest stonks tanked when Helluva showed Hell was just red LA. I can't fathom sanitizing your own concept not for ad bucks but because you wanted to.
> Vivzie sees Hazbin Hotel as her primary project, only made a Pilot of it > spent years making it into an official production; betrayed almost all her voice actors, sold out her show, trashed her writing out of spite for her fans > vivzie leaves behind a history of broken relationships, burned bridges, and unprofessional behavior > Hazbin hotel has no marketing whatsoever, vivzie has a dwindling fanbase, HH will have one mediocre, completely forgettable season and be quietly cancelled > Vivzie works on HB as her side project, creating more then she did for Hazbin > HB drastically dropped in views before the end of season two, will definitely not get the 4 seasons Vivzie planned.
It’s almost poetic, isn’t it? Vivzie stepped on and betrayed everyone to make her “real” project, Hazbin Hotel, and it’s almost definitely gonna crash and burn a mediocre one season cancellation. The show she will actually have more content in, HB, is dying a slow pathetic death because of her moronic writing decisions and seething at the fans (too much focus on Blitzo/Stolas, hating Stella, muting Loona).
How come there is no troony characters in Helluva Boss?
In before Millie's brother. That is it though. I dont think I can even think of background characters who are FTM.
>Vivzie will go out of her way in the show to spite a ship she doesn't like >all of the amazing Japanese/Korean fanartists immediately drop HH because Charlastor is the the only thing they're interested in
Bravo Viv.
Vivzie made Alastor ace cause some guy on her team suggested it. The guy left the team but vivzie doubled down on it. She also hates how popular Charlastor has been. It’s one thing to be annoyed by fans, but she has been openly feuding with them for years, seething and rewriting characters, relationships, and entire plots solely out of hate for this ship
She also doubled down on making Stolitz and Charlie X Vaggie canon because people on her team like it. Whatever the original vision was, it's been compromised many times over.
Vivzie didn’t even do it to get back at Cinemaphile or anything. She’s feuding with her 14 year old fans who have the same progressive views of her. So she’s not even attacking a minority of haters, she’s antagonizing a large portion of her audience. It’s so autistic
When the pilots first dropped I remember thinking that Helluva Boss would get pitched to a network as an episodic comedy show while Hazbin would remain an independently made passion project. I wonder if that would've been better in the long run.
That 100% would have.
Originally, HB should have been the simple episodic one to keep the fandom alive while they produce HH which in return would be the more big plot show. I guess they thought they could have done that with HH being picked up by a studio (which is wild to me because most TV/streaming animation studios really gimp the creative process if it hasn't already been worked out) and doing HB themselves.
I honestly wish it was like you say.
Charlastor fans if they had their way would make a good series, loonagays have literally nothing except simping for a furry. Honestly, Loona feels like a character who is so removed from the setting and the cast it’s hard to see her as a HB character
>Anon ends up a cat furry in hell >heads to IMP to put a hit out on the drunken butthole that ran him over >sees Loona at the front desk >instantly smitten >instantly rejected >tries again and again to win her over with corny schemes until he finally succeeds
Could be cute.
>Be VivziePop >Find out someone leaked your email you sent to the HH pilot cast firing them all >Quick, what will distract people from being angry if they find out >"Hey guys!!! Episode 8 of Helluva Boss season 1 is officially coming soon!!!"
It's going to be nothing but Blitzo & Stolas being massive homosexuals for 10-20 minutes, isn't it? That or a major character (Stella) is going to die on screen.
Not needed. Everyone's gonna see it anyway. Cinemaphile is gonna have a meltdown, like it does every time anything comes out.
this, Cinemaphile is so fricking moronic they are going to hate watch it and then 10+ months later they will be like "how the frick is this shit getting a second season?", calling it now
The trick is hate-watching via a reaction channel with adblock on.
Just repost the episode in pornhub
do we even have a platform
That's what I'm wondering.
Yes but where!
Uh the internet! DUH! Dumb chuds
probably going to be Hulu
Doesn't this shit already have like thousands of fanfics? What does the canon show even matter
Curiosity to see what they actually came up with it.
However, to me it honestly doesn't matter seeing how shitty HB has become. I have little hope. At most the official releases now only matter to base off more fan fiction to write or incorporate bits and pieces.
Btw, pic related was fanart made waaay before releasing anything about the new redesigns.
Not really. 3 years ago, the pilot was finished and posted for it to be picked up by a studio and/or funded. 2-3 years is the average to produce a whole season of an animated show, especially coming straight from a pilot which needed to be worked out fully. Production takes time and effort and Viv was working on HB at the same time too which wanted to push out first.
How would their kitchen fair against him?
It would go terribly, USA version with all the sound effects and cuts. The usual dramatic shtick - horrible food, system, staff organization, quality - but the owner is nice and genuinely trying their best, just naive and putting their energy is the wrong areas. She wouldn't really know why the Hotel is failing. Gordan would see her as too young and naive but well meaning but he would quickly understand that she does care about the Hotel, a lot. She believes in it.
Gordan would think Angel Dust is a shit cook and too sassily aloof but that's just because he doesn't care, there's no motivation - all the recipes are kinda bad and weirdly childish. They're redemption/heaven themed (Charlie's idea). While at first clashing, Gordan would warm up to AD when he would open up to him when it came to Italian cooking (AD was an Italian mobster before dying). AD cares about good, real food. That would be their common ground moment. From there things start to change for the better.
Would have good dramatic scenes with Angel Dust but also lots of sincere heart-retching Charlie-putting-her-life-into-the-Hotel-type B plot too. Good hellish episode with the Hotel actually improving because Charlie listened, understood and made changes with her and the hotel. Good ending.
Unironically better writing than anything she's ever done.
the entire kitchen smells more like sex than food, and there's cum in/on/around every meal. truly helps kitchen
>the entire kitchen smells more like sex than food
But only because they're baking carob-based goods.
It is Hellhound's Kitchen.
fixed
There's no way Husk went untouched.
All those little card suit symbol details would be such a fricking headache to deal with.
And honestly I hope he does get changed.
All those ridiculous details do is drag him closer on the scale towards pic related, not improve his design.
There's gotta be more subtle ways to do a card motif.
His design has been discussed to death even here too, especially when the pilot first came out. pic related.
Lots of cool ideas over the years have been brought up to change him a lot more too because his design is so busy that he still ends up visually pretty indistinct.
To this day, I still like the idea of leaning in more on the sphynx motif cuz he already is a cat with wings. He is a barman and gambled as a human. Make greed his motif even more distinct with a golden Vegas sphynx look.
>A military vet who lost himself after being discharged, gambling away in Vegas and alcohol. Before his overdosed demise, he did manage to hold one job - a magician for an act.
(however, even if it was popular fan theory, Vivzie has already clarified that his backstory for sure is not gonna have anything to do with Vietnam war. bleh) Others have suggested making him a "fatcat" - it also changes his silhouette to stand out more.
As a gambler, hiding cards in his wings is a pretty clever idea but then why paste the symbols so tackily on them? It's too vulgar imo. Unless that is his divine punishment (he can't hide his cards anymore or something like that) it seems very unnecessary. As you said, it sucks to animate, could have done something subtle.
>Husk
I genuinely love these designs more than the show. I think theyre simultaneously more subdued which allows the characters body language to express themselves. And they each have their own personality and job, so I feel like they’d all have a purpose in this new setting, unlike in Hazbin where they just kind of meander around. This design also feels like a good pitch - just a glance I already know the premise, and it intrigues me.
Not having an ugly ass red background all the time is easy on the eyes too. I think that helps the red in the uniform pop out better, and a more subdued background with the subdued designs has less stuff going on, so it’s easier to follow characters
Same and agreed, that's why I posted them. The artist with these little comics is honestly giving me what I wanted from HB - a more episodic in-the-life-of type of thing with a bigger purpose/goal slowly overarching everything.
Though even this artist has done more colored pieces. Just for this comic she reduced the colors for stylization and focus. I still do like her designs though, she beings way more distinct forms in all of the character while still keeping it cohesive. The reduced palette just shows it even better.
I mean, He IS trash
I feel like the concept of redemption and heaven/hell made Hazbin too big in scope to ever satisfy its own premise. I think vivzie should have just made a premise like “wacky characters in wacky hotel” and stuck with that. Maybe some hell/demon aesthetics but with the joke that it’s more like Hell’s receptionist/waiting area then Charlie getting into concepts like redemption.
An episodic slice of life format would have allowed vivzie to better utilize the entire cast, and write more scenes with all the characters. The nature of the pilot with a story means she has to introduce characters and focus on plot - the format of the hotel premise allows us to begin without introducing anyone, and we could have more scenes of comedy to make the episode feel more “full”.
What I like most about this premise is it actually has all the characters involved. They feel like coworkers, friends, even family. In the show a lot of characters simultaneously have too much and too little going on, they either drive the story completely or do literally nothing
the reason why charlie looks good in a pantsuit here is because there's no bottom of a white shirt sticking out and because they kept the round cuteness of her face.
How much is that waitress gonna be molested?
>AngelDust chef...
He's gonna cum on my sandwich isn't he?
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This is gonna be brought up in every single HH/HB thread until someone makes their own better version of HB isnt it?
Yes.
fanfic writers can make a better version of helluva boss.
Cinemaphile will fricking b***h about everything. If they played their boring premise straight you'd all be complaining about it being a monster of the week show with no character depth. All in all while I appreciate HB for what it is, I really don't think The Office: Hitman edition would've carried it as far as it has come.
its amazing how much she's recycled from that pile of shit. She's just using the Hell subplot in zoophobia for HH.
I’d still be watching if it was monster of the week comedy show instead of gay melodrama show
Stolas was fine as the
>you’re running late on the rent
style plot device
As he started popping up more and more, I started liking him less and less. I didn’t care for the last episode of season 1 and I haven’t even bothered watching Season 2 when it became clear it was going to be more of that
I love Stolas outside of him being constantly attached to Blitzo. I've been haphazardly watching off and on and really they should've just axed the Blitzo/Stolas romance angle is indeed, whats weighing down the show since its just inconsistent at worst and really boring at best. Cute but boring. You've got moxie and millie if you want cutesy romance, and they handle it a whole lot better. I get it, they're setting up a redemption arc for blitzo where he stops being a scumbag and realized he TROOLY WUBS Stolas. But its just fricking nonsense to watch in motion.
>I love Stolas outside of him being constantly attached to Blitzo
I don’t know that I’d go as far as saying ‘love’ but I’d generally agree with you’re statement in that it was him being with Blitzo that turned him into this pathetic wimp of a character instead of a prince of hell character he was before
But if he and Blitzo are no longer an item and it goes back to strictly professional, he loses most reason to be on screen anymore.
It’s a similar phenomenon with Loona. People complain about her lack of presence on the show but she’s supposed to be the home team, Mission Control character. Aside from the occasional situation that demands it, she’s not going to be present on missions. Stolas is like a producer for a movie; he’s not likely to be around in the day to day operation of the company, he just ‘bankrolls’ the operation
Eh, I'm a homosexual and Stolas is a cute twink.
>But if he and Blitzo are no longer an item and it goes back to strictly professional, he loses most reason to be on screen anymore.
Then that would be the time for actual writing to kick in and invent conflicts outside of interpersonal character drama. Or hell, you'd just remember that Octavia is still trying to have Stolas murdered regularly.
S’way it goes sometimes
Loona is a complete unlikable b***h, literally and figuratively but I still wanna frick her so it leads me to give her a bit more leeway as a character than I likely would if I was gay. If I was gay, I might very well like Stolas more
i'm gay and i think stolas is a flat character with an unsexy design
where the frick are his shoulders
where is his chest
why is his human form a twink in shitty "goth" cosplay and not a silver fox dilf in a suit
charlastor is better than stolitz will ever be
Because Vivzie doesn’t make character designs for gay men. She makes character designs for women that grew up on Invader Z and Ed Edd n Eddy who are these weird goblin looking creatures she ships together. She’s unironically intimidated by traditionally masculine and straight men
That explains why there are no foils of healthy masculine males in the shows to Blitzo and Striker being the definition of what they call chuds.
What makes Striker a chud exactly?
He went from being a Judge Holden crossed with Angel Eyes sort of character to this insecure man-cave dweller with a statue of himself with a huge dick. Also, writing was so bloated with the constant need to cram as much profanity in it as much as possible.
>no foils of healthy masculine males in the shows to Blitzo and Striker
Vortex is pretty masculine but he's not really a foil
I was thinking he was an actually middle aged man in the closet not millennial middle age being 35. Also, I would rather they let him and his family be freakishly strong in spite of their skinny frame for interesting subversions of expectations. Octavia could have been throwing hands with Striker and Stella could be smashing solid oak desks like styrofoam.
Yeah, the fanart makes out hotter than he is in the show too
And you're so right, he could have worked so well as a silver fox if he had the right designer or HH/HB had better human stylization in general.
this is the only art i have so far that actually makes stolas look like a dad, a male parent
he fricking needs a wider frame and thicker arms
someone please get this guy some oats, beef, and eggs
This is why Paimon is such a daddy.
waist is too loose
gimme a REAL dad bod
He has that scrawny but tall aged ectomorph dad bod
yeah
skinny works for alastor but stolas looks SICK like actually ill
Skinny men who look genuinely sick is a byproduct of vivzie being a fujo. Her designs are an unholy combination of yaoi men and tumblr sexy men
This is Viv we are talking about, is a common thing for the characters to look anorexic
>only art i have so far that actually makes stolas look like a dad, a male parent
Wrong!
That's just weird
>Cinemaphile will fricking b***h about everything
Of course. It's a lot more entertaining than actually discussing the show once you run out of things to say about it.
HH and HB are fine, it's just that people expected something else out of it.
Finally somebody with common sense
You are a fricking moron. Helluva was ADVERTISED as an episodic mission of the week show. It was meant to be the less serious cousin of Hazbin.
Then Viv shat all over everything with her fujo fetish. Now 80% of the show us gay melodrama and the rest is anus jokes.
There's nothing I hate more than this fricking shit. I pray everyday that it will just disappear.
It really makes me wonder if those rumors are true and A24 made this a one and done with no marketing because they don’t intend to give it legs.
Lucifer's redesign is my favorite.
Good god this looks like crap
Based blind moron
I ain't blind, I just can't understand how anyone can like this
I guess it just means people have different tastes.
Yes, but you get to look at this but I have to see it and it ruins my day every time
No one cares about your shit opinions.
You might as well be no one.
Not an argument, no one cares if you like looking at a microwaved turd
The only shit opinions here are the ones that think any of vivzie's Tim Burton but furry garbage is interesting
Porn sick morons, the lot of you
You wouldn't know what quality is even if it hit you in your face.
That'd sting if you didn't think Vivshit looked good.
I'm anonymous moron, I don't have a face
>Lucifer's redesign is my favorite
He still looks like a candy cane.
his sin is pride, not vanity. why’s he dressed like a homo
People saying that Charlies new design is bad but I look at the two designs and there is no difference
based blind moron
No seriously what is the difference? Red eyes?
Mainly sharper angles and slightly smaller pupils in certain shots. I personally don't mind it that much.
The new design looks far less innocent and has so much red it makes her look like Hillary dressed her up in a pantsuit because of how it blends
Every redesign of Charlie focuses on emphasizing her sweetness and innocence, while Vivzie’s own design make her come across as a bootleg Hillary/Alastor. I feel like the idea of Charlie in Vivzie’s head is different then the Charlie in the fandom’s
If that is the case, idk what Viv thinks the proper portrayal of Charlie is. The entire first episode played her up as a nice girl disney character effectively.
Even her fight with the news lady was self defense lol. She's very bad at being evil.
I think it’s a byproduct of her being a fujo writer (little experience actually writing women) trying to lean too hard into the tumblr sexyman aesthetic (pointed designs, theatrical body language) and maybe being insecure with Charlie being written as a good girl that’s paired up with Alastor. I think Vivzie’s never really satisfied with Charlie but she’s never confident enough to just go all in with making her cute and nice, she keeps trying to give her the same aesthetic and design as Alastor, Angel Dusr, ect.
This anon was correct. Roundness and softness in design makes a character seem nicer and friendlier. More sharp, pointy, angular shapes and designs are used with Alastor and other demons to make them “threatening.” Vivzie has always struggled with rounder designs because it’s antithetical to her tumblr art style, and Charlie’s character suffers from it. Her redesign makes her look older, more bold, less naive and innocent. Viczie doesn’t want to make Charlie the sweet innocent Angel the fandom sees her as, but I don’t think she’ll really commit to her being more like a “demon” (which ruins her charm and appeal) so I think she’ll wind up bland and boring in the middle. Without her dynamic with Alastor and with a bland pairing with veggie, I think Charlie is really going to suffer as a character
But Viv was doing so good in some her old drawings of Charlie 🙁
The alt outfits were fun and always kept the character in tact to how most already saw her.
This also looks more in mind with the sort of 1920s swanky vibe that’s sort of present in the show and with Alastor. Why is Vivzie so allergic to giving Charlie a rounder/softer/feminine design? All her designs lose their uniqueness and get swept up into the black hole of the generic tumblr Sexyman artstyle vivzie has
White suits Charlie. It matches her skin and goes well with her hair. Vivzie keeps constantly giving her too much red in her outfit and it looks nasty. Why not have white be her dominant color scheme,
You know why
What are the psychological implications of Vivzie’s obsession with the color red? Actual autism?
i feel the same atraction to the color red, even when i see somethig i don't like i kinda start to like it when i see it in red or in a red color pallete. am i autistic?
Have you considered that you and Vivzie are closeted vampires?
maybe that explains my paper white skin, frail body, habit to sleep during the day and work all night, burn under the sun and incapability to relate to normal humans...
that explains a lot
this goes to that
too
I just love her expressions.
troony
She used to be more round and soft too. Her hair was looser and tied differently.
She now looks really well put together, should be a later season look. I think the other one was a better vector to project what type of person she is or at least what I think she is supposed to be. Old one gave that determined but naive newbie try her best feeling better than this new one. She also now just blends in too much.
Honestly, Anon, now that you say it, I think you're right. It seems so. It's a shame because Vivzie's own old art of Charlie seems to way more coincide with what most other people have in mind for Charlie.
Her crotch looks so weird
thanks now I can't unsee it
Im the anon you responded to, and this has done nothing to convince me. She put on contact lenses and wore more red clothes. And tied her hair up differently. You guys are not doing a good job of convincing me that I am a "based blind moron"
I will admit she does look somewhat "sharper" as other anons put it, but the design really isnt that different
This design looks like a time skip design where she is older.
Okay now I get it. Thank you for this enlightening gif. I am no longer based or blind
REMEMBER WHAT THEY TOOK FROM YOU
Waayyyy too angular way too sharp. The curves added to her kind and bubbly nature. I usually shit on curvy lines in western character design because u get calart type results if overused but this is the exception.
the point is having a character that contrasts and stands out among the rest of the cast
pilot Charlie has rounder edges around all the outlines which is a huge contrast with all the sharp lines the demons in hell have, this helps with her personallity of being sweet and all that
by removing that with redesign Charlie, she meshes more with the bg characters so your MC is not always sticking out on the view so there could be a possibility of you losing sight of her without even noticing
the other important character with those traits is Angel, but his base desing pretty much stands out easily so it gives you the impression that Charlie feels like a generic filler character
Anon, does this help?
The reason that other picture didn't help as a reference is because someone took the old design and simply re-colored.
THIS is a comparison that shows the differences in how newCharlie is actually drawn VS oldCharlie.
if I didn't know any better, I would assume these images are from the beginning and end of the series. oh bother.
I fricking despise this redesign because it clashes so bad. That white piece between her pants and shirt just makes it look like her belly's exposed. Fricking stupid.
Does anyone have the original concept art where these outfits were used?
kek I can't unsee it now.
At first it was the diaper, now exposed midriff
Vivzie's into some shit.
Charlastor >>>>>>>>> Chaggie
This is fact.
Red Pants REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Never confirmed for next month, as of now. Just summer 2023, which could also mean August or even September. A lot of media, at least ones on streaming, have been putting out trailers closer to the release dates lately, and usually put out marketing after that.
That being said it is concerning that we don't even know what streaming service it's gonna be on or the fact that A24 has done barely anything to promote the show at all. Never once retweeted any of the HH teasers and hasn't even put it in the coming soon bio, despite featuring plenty other films and TV with months in advance. Bento Box has done more to promote it than A24.
I get the feeling if the show ends up being successful enough to get a second season, A24 will probably sign the show off to another company to produce, which is probably whoever gets the streaming rights. Either that or it ends up as a Ren & Stimpy situation where the original creator gets kicked off for not complying with deadlines and a new one is put in.
With the latter option it is interesting because there has been something going around here that maybe Viv has been fired from HH through Zoom for being unprofessional. Probably not true, but it's not something that would surprise me.
I think A24 is getting cold feet due to the Animation Apocalypse.
This shit was supposed to come out like 3 years ago.
Bro we look at the show and see its design and art for what it is and we get called blind morons what. How do you people like this like its not bad but I dont think its good
it's an endearing cringe deviantart aesthetic
I remember reading Vivzies zootopia comic before she made HH, and if im being honest I dont think much has changed
hot
Where is it going to drop?
Cinemaphile is the marketing. You fat dykes won't shut up about it.
I miss his titty eye
Same
Why did we have to lose Stamper like we did man....
I bet they're unveiling it at SDCC (or maybe the D23 expo, it will probably be on Disney+) and pushing it to Halloween. That would bring an exact 4 year period between the pilot and the series.
>Disney+
Are you high? Adult Swim maybe, but I doubt even that. If anything the show would wind up on HBO.
It's made by Bento Box, who previously made animated sitcoms for Fox that are all owned by Disney now, they already have a thing going. so, it's likely.
Disney isn't gonna air a show with murder and cum jokes lol
Disney's Princess of Hell, will Charlie join the others?
So then it'll probably be Hulu then.
That's D+ outside of the US btw, other countries don't have Hulu
Who knows, D+ has the Alien movies
She looks more mature now
A look that should have been kept for later seasons when she deservingly matures.
Glad that they kept the apple eyes though
%3D%3D
SHES JUST WEARING DIFFERENT CLOTHES FFS?? Her body shape hasnt changed she doesnt have horns or a tail. This is just an outfit change
idk but the new character designs are not good anyways and itll probably be too overly serious and dull like helluva s2
squish that demon
SQUISH THAT DEMON
POKE THE DEMON
Touch the demon gal
Do it, pal
uh oh
Cutey
> Vivzie makes innocent cutie character
> makes her generic demon type
Charliebros I don’t feel so good…
No, her two sides make her even hotter + gives dimension. She's not a pushover but most see her as that because she chooses to be ethical and nice, and her having this power or evil side creates the game of if she has limit. When will she snap? How ill she snap? Something Alastor would probably like to play with.
Anyway, now she can be soft and cute or demonic and sexy. It's an overused trope but I like it with Charlie.
Plus, her demonic form is kinda more distinct than others - she is a half angel and seems to have a much more minimalist design than others.
I want to touch her.
Vivzie is really gonna replace Charlie’s cute design with some shitty fricking red tumblr Sexyman look
Would Charlie redeem me?
Probably
Going by vivzie logic as long as you aren’t sexist or homophobic you can be redeemed
For what we've seen and projected upon so far - the pilot and some promo -
RANK the main cast to who you like and would like to see personal expectations fulfilled!
>Charlie = Alastor > AD = Husk = Nifty = Vaggie
Honestly, I think it's a solid cast. Don't think anyone is out of place, just needs lots of tweaking (like Husk).
My opinion from Charlie will depend how long she keeps the peaceful attitude, because it can get very annoying. I'd prefer it if she's like molly mcgee where her positivity is just a cope to her insecurities, and she has to put actual work to achieve her dreams.
Alastor will be the typical sexy tumblr man like the pilot. As long as he's funny then I'm fine with it.
Angel Dust and Husk could steal the show if they're well written and aren't one note jokes half the time.
Vaggie and Niffty will just be there.
i want substance for Vaggie than
>i'm lesbian
>i'm latina
>i'm an angel
>I'm an angel
Huh?
Vaggie is probably one of the moral characters, because her sins are largely just due to being a prostitute and MAYBE being a lesbian, so she's relatively angelic.
Alternate universe where this show actually has good writing, funny jokes isn't produced by a BPD ladder-pulling lolcow titcow b***h, and the characters actually have coherent designs, with fanservice a plenty
BUT
the prodiction value ranges from barely impressive to downright nonexistent
I'm talking Lobo-webseries tier, step below space patrol luluco, approaching inferno cop, made on a budget of a ham sandwich and 3 hours of TTS twitch superchats, in a 20 year old version of flash from back when it was owned by macromedia, could be made in a week by a 14 year old with a copy of an early 2000s "how to draw anime" book, voice actors are middle-quality comic dub actors with second-hand usb mics, music just produced enough to not sound like default windows midi soundfont tier shit-tastic
would you rather watch that?
Inferno cop was pretty funny, so sure
I watch No Evil which is basically what you describe and it is absolutely charming.
https://www.youtube.com/@BetsywarlordofnoodlesLee
The voice acting reminds me of when me and a buddy narrated our entire playthrough of Echo VN to each other on call.
Yes, absolutely.
12 oz Mouse pulled off worse well enough 3rd season actually missed a lot of the appeal
WWYD in this situation?
I'd try to kill myself and fall into despair when it turns out I can't.
what i'd pay to have this animated or at least made into an audio
holy shit angels actually huge in this
i figured he was tall but at this size his proportions seem feasible and he looks like he could take on an entire swat team with his bare hands
hot
Angel's 8 feet tall
Suck dong
Make money
Given there’s identity death I’d probsbly do what Angel Dust would do since *I* no longer exist, just Angel Dust
Is there any reason Viv hates Alastor×Charlie beyond the fact that she ships Vaggie with Charlie? She gets really triggered about it.
> Vivzie originally shipped Alastor/Charlie, or at least was fine with ship baiting for fan engagement
> made Alastor “ace” for no reason cause some guy on her team suggested it
> kept this despite the controversy, Charlastor fans being one of her biggest audiences, and the guy who suggested ace Alastor leaving
> made Charlie/Veggie a thing for more twitter points
> Vivzie seething Charlastor is ridiculously popular and moggs Charlie/Veggie
Vivzie has a long history of being a stubborn, annoying person to work with. She made some regarded creative decisions, doubled down on them, and gets mad when people criticize her for it. My schizo theory is that Alastor reminds her of her ex, and that the studio has been trying their hardest to push Charlastor/scrap Charlie/Veggie. Vivzie, having no concept of good writing and a stubborn person who doubles down on bad decisions and responds poorly to criticism, kept becoming more and more aggressive to it over time.
Can’t really speak to the Charlie Alastor ship but it does seem like Viv cares when the audience doesn’t fall in line with her thinking on characters.
Kinda seems that way when she’s been on a tear to make Stella a complete irredeemable monster because people went the route of
>ok Stella is kind of a nag but Stolas is a cheating butthole so he kind of is the offending party here
why was this post deleted?
mods?
whats going on buddy?
What even was the post?
Few embedded files, not even all that spicy but technically could be considered illegal.
Weird.
liar its right here still on my screen no image
>no plugin
Sometimes I forget who I share this site with.
what plugins should i get
also this is my work computer i can't install anything
What if he died and ended up at the hotel
>Drinking with Husker
>Grilling with Alastor
>Fathering Angel Dust
It's beautiful
>Hank dons the hat and kicks Angel Dust's pimp's ass
I wouldn't be surprised if imagining what different people and fictional characters would look like in Viv's hell is a common pastime of her fanbase.
>Hank Hill
>Going to Hell
yeah, right
Bureaucratic frick up.
It happens.
>Hank decides to make the most of it and sells propane to Lucifer
He voted for George W. Bush. Who knows how many Republicans he voted for? Most fans, myself included, believe he would've drawn the line at Trump, but according to Viv, Trump supporters go to hell, so if Hank filled in that bubble, he's damned.
Per Viv's criteria, that sounds about right
>Trump
He wouldn't vote for Trump. Not because of his policies but because he eats well-done steak with ketchup.
Maybe in Vivize's universe, the only people who go to Heaven are Mormons like South Park, so practically everyone goes to hell lul
tbh i'm surprised she didn't pull that and pick some super obscure branch of some religion is the only one who got it right
I like to think that everyone who goes to Vivize's hell who are just like mildly buttholeish or just are unbelievers just look like normal guys with horns or maybe purple skin. If you look like someone like Angel Dust, it reflects that you were a horrible person in life, which fits because he was a mobster who was probably pretty unstable. Vaggie for comparison was just a prostitute so she gets a more humanoid look.
>tfw cant become a hellhound
Kind of unfair tbh
Maybe if you were a big enough butthole, you'll turn into a dog or a wolf furry thing. I like to think it's a little ironic though. Like I know Hitler, for some reason, is just erased, but I like to think he would be turned into a rat because of how much he said other people were like rats.
>Maybe if you were a big enough butthole, you'll turn into a dog or a wolf furry thing.
Kek
>turn into a dog sinner
>get mistaken for a hellhound and treated like shit by most of society
>cant hang out with hellhounds cause they know what you are and dont want anything to do with you
Fitting punishment for furries
That would make for a good part of a character's background. Imagine someone like that who'll have to take the dirtiest jobs because of their status or how they can take refuge in their state as an ignored outcast.
I'm pretty sure Viv has confirmed that the forms sinners take do have something to do with their actual sins.
But you can become a giant cat like Husker at least! Close enough!
But Loona probably hates cats...
... Which I guess would be pretty fitting for hell.
>tfw you die and end up in Viv's hell
>realize you can meet Loona
>turns out she hates cats, and you wound up rolling 'cat furry' on the sinner lottery
No wonder the man drinks.
Oh, I like that a lot anon.
Never thought about it like that. That's good
Though Pentious is really out there in his sinner form, even though he just seems to be pretty ok on the evil scale. Goofy Victorian inverter engineer, I guess it gives credence to how evil and destructive he was.
I don't think Viv has read the Bible. She only took the cool fanfictiony scripture and read the wiki pages about them.
She's clearly making out heaven to bad and corrupt. Just look at Adam. Bastardized.
So, naturally she would make heaven be really unforgiving to who gets in.
Vivzie unironically knows nothing about religion or theology. It’s hilarious watching people trying to figure out muh symbolism when Vivzie’s entire “worldbuilding” is shitty pop culture religion, and even then just the most bare one aspects of it. She doesn’t care about actual theology or theology questions, it’s just a backdrop for her quirky tumblr show.
Vaggie was actually a good person and she didn’t do anything wrong, god just sent her to hell for being a brown lesbian
Unironically Jack handles theology better. doesnt hurt that Hopkins has clearly at least familiarized himself with the bible and Dante’s Inferno past knowing the nine rings of hell.
I wonder if we will ever get clearly defined rules of what justifies going to heaven (or even what gives one the ability to traverse the different rings).
For example could someone willingly switch places with a sinner after dying to access hell and forfeit their ticket to heaven?
Alastor is going to betray Charlie at some point and be the main villain.
That's so obvious it isn't even funny right? Like, even if Charlastor does briefly become a thing, it's probably only so that he has an in road to taking a shot at her Dad.
That or he's gonna manipulate her into accepting a deal with him once she's in an impossible bind.
>nobody want's to be reformed
>Charlie: If only I could force them....
>radiodeer: That can be arranged.
Kino
So like, how does the deal maker thing work? Do only certain ranks of demons have it? Or is it something Charlie could theoretically do herself?
I think anyone with personal power to back them up can do it, but Radiodemon has the shittiest deal of them all.
Would be kind of meme if the way they finally put him down is entangling him in a deal of their own that he gets fricked over on.
The funny thing is, Vivzie wants to make Alastor evil to sink Charlastor, but all this does is:
> make Charlie and Alastor the driving force of the story
> make them intertwined with each other’s character arcs
> makes them each other the focus of each others motivation
It would be hilarious if Vivzie making Alastor a full villain actually makes the Charlastor shippers even more feverous
I'm going to be horny for them either way, nothing she does will stop me. Including making them related in some way.
Same, I would always escape back to all the fan content that delivers. I know it's a popular theory but do you think Alastor being actually Lucifer, Charlie's dad, has any chance to actually happen?
I do think there's a slight chance of it, especially when an anon claiming to know Viv said that she's planning something big to "get back" at Charlastor shippers. Luci and Al are really similar, but I think fans would be way too upset if Lucifer was Alastor, not just the Charlastor shippers but like most viewers in general would hate that twist. So I hope she won't. I do think Alastor has something to do with Lucifer and Lilith though.
>Viv said that she's planning something big to "get back" at Charlastor shippers.
But why does she need to get back at Charlastor shippers? I've never cared for shipping myself, preferring to let the story unfold, but who cares. Why get so bent out of shape that you take it out on a section of your fanbase just because they like something you don't want them to? I heard she wants to do the similar things with the people who ship MoxiexLuna, but there's no truth to it as far as I know.
Because they dared make the first "Charlastor Day" aka a day celebrating the one year anniversary of the ship the same day as her birthday, which is the day Hazbin Hotel first debuted.
Yeah, she's literally that petty.
Holy shit. Now I definitely believe. She's a salty b***h ain't she?
>"Charlastor Day" aka a day celebrating the one year anniversary of the ship
What the frick is wrong with people?
>What the frick is wrong with people?
They are bored with waiting for the show so they shitpost.
Shipping days (or shipping theme weeks) exist since the myspace days.
It's to curb and encourage the content mill.
Curious that the concept seems to surprise people.
You're asking that to HAZBIN HOTEL FANDOM?
C'mon.
Oh, man you would love reading her responses to fans on her twitter or wherever she posts those long responses. That's Viv. She has a hard time ignoring others but at the same time keeps talking about how she creates things how she wanted them to be, regardless of what other people think and so on and on. Her orbiters also seem insane. Last thread we had pic related. Nobody knew for sure if they were trolling or not (they kept on replying to other posts too). That anon did seem to have lots of inside info if you kept it civil with them.
And as to shipping, she's just spiteful. Apparently, she gets harassed by some bad apple charlastorgays, so ig she feels justified in ruing something that has that fan pull because we're all bad now. There really is no good reason for doing this, it only robs people of entertainment they want to see. They're fans! You could gain so much more by not killing aspirations and letting it fuel the fandom. She just can't be neutral on this.
ig she just can't let people think what they want about her characters. We must have the same image of the character as she sees it in her head.
I've seen just a few of those "bad apple Charlastorgays" in her replies. Every single one was quite obviously a young teenager and most of them didn't speak English as a first language.
She's literally beefing with children about it.
Pretty much. I can only imagine that she gets a bunch of letters from time to time from the most autistic Charlastorgays or maybe even psyop-ers. That one poster
already clearly demonstrated how much the ship bothers Viv, confirming trolling with it could easily work. Wouldn't surprise me that a few trolls became interested in doing some Charalstorgayging just to frick with her and creating a bad image for the rest.
kek yup.
What I find also funny about the post, is that they pick who are the fans.
>>her fans tell you not to ship it
You can't just like something and also be critical of it and then consider yourself a fan
The biggest haters/alogs, usually tend also once have been great fans.
The whole thread kinda got derailed with many articulating this idea in various ways, mostly in a combative way of course. Though I totally buy that they were not a troll. He had quite the inside info to layout, so I can see the kid knowing some in the inner circles.
Shame that this also indicates that this must be a shared train of thought.
If anyone cares to read the source, it's still not yet archived
>If she tells you not to ship it, and her fans tell you not to ship it, DON'T!
That is hilarious! Viv and her close supporters literally telling people "if I don't like it, and I don't support it, you're not allowed to either!"
I always love to see people get like this and laugh. Like, really? Take your meds and get a fricking grip.
I think in a weird way Alastor and Lucifer have switched.
> Alastor was originally the tumblr sexy man of the show
> vivzie has been trying to make him more of a villain recently
> Lucifer was portrayed more as a distant, villainous figure
> recent portrayals and redesigns by Vivzie have made him more likable and friendly
I think vivzie is going to try and push Lucifer and make Alastor hated
>I think vivzie is going to try and push Lucifer and make Alastor hated
Then why keep the character at all? I mean in all honesty, if you're going to change so much about the character you worked so hard to create, that now feels like you hate, then just ditch the character all together and create a new one with similar traits to the original but different enough. Why change an already established character, possibly just to make them hated, instead of just getting rid of them in favor of something you feel would work better for what you want? Because the only reason it seems is purely to punish those who like what you made in a way you don't want them to. Not only does it seem extremely petty and spiteful to do to those who support you, but also that you don't care about the characters and story enough to keep it consistent.
Because that’s what happened. Vivzie is spiteful and petty, and she doesn’t care about the characters and consistency or story
That is so stupid I can actually see that happening
No. People speculated for years about Al's origins. That would be a lame twist.
From the insider info that she has a killer move to end it all, making Alastor = Lucifer would stop a lot of people from making charlastor content, witch is pretty sad on its own. Also if you really just want to get rid of him you could kill/redeem him in the last episode of the first season. i mean all of those are shit ideas and would be super petty but hey I’m not the one who hates charlastor homies. But I’m sure its just gonna be vaggie x charlie for 6 season and like some lines between charlie and Alastor that keeps anons rooting for them
>6 seasons
>implying Hazbin will even get a 2nd season
frick cartoongays are weak. a little itty bitty dadcest will stop them?
It will be revealed that Alastor is Charlie's actual father, we find out he's basically the John Redcorn of the Hellaverse with Lucifer being cucked unwittingly.
This is how the Charlastor ship will die.
But Alastor died in 1930-something and Charlie is like 300 years old
Alastor's already a canon serial killer cannibal; the Charlastor shippers cannot be stopped. Chemistry is undeniably there on the screen.
vivzie doesn’t understand that if she makes Alastor Charlie’s dad or whatever, they will either make multiple alternate versions of Alastor, or fully embrace Alastor being a psycho who wants to full his daughter. Like you said it cannot be stopped
That's what most call intrigue. Now romanticize by adding some dimension to the character dynamic and relationship.
Everybody can tell that something is off with Al, he might not outright plan to do something right from the start, but he is someone who will probably always take the chance to do something he finds some self-interest in, be it merely just entertainment.
And as most Charlastor fans would argue, the dynamic between them is great, it's entertaining to watch, especially how their motives and motifs intermingle. It honestly doesn't need to be romantic, they are a joy just seeing them interact with each other. There's so much great fan interpretations that try and fulfill that exception:
Now if you care about romance: he was clearly playing Charlie but is he is not enjoying a bit too much as well?
The structure of the writing and premise means Charlie and Alastor are a duality, like Yin and Yang. It’s literally part of the foundation of the series. Alastor exists as someone who shows up out of interest in Charlie, his motivations center around her and her motivations. He is her “antagonist”, the person who most consistently challenges her and makes Charlie a better character. And Alastor is Charlie’s ultimate challenge - the show is a better of their wills and ideology. This is one of the primary reasons for Charlastor’s popularity, and Vivzie is oblivious to this because she’s incapable of good writing.
Also charlie always looks really good wearing those old timey 1920’s style hats and dresses, got any more of that?
It just adds to the appeal. It was a popular theory for a long time that Alastor is gunning for Charlie's family and is going to try to usurp the royalty or something, but it won't exactly go according to plan.
I fear the actual show won't have that level of intrigue. Or a proper heaven vs. hell arc.
>even if Charlastor does briefly become a thing
God please let it even briefly be a thing.
This reminds me of how in SVTFOE I shipped TomStar and was so happy for every episode indulging it, even if they weren't the final ship.
I will always be grateful of how many TomStar moments I can replay. <3
I'm honestly warming up to the designs and animation. It's really well rigged, it looks great but, most importantly, expressive! I still just worry about the writing, VA and character personalities.
so much fricking RED
Red, white, yellow, black, and some in-between shades are basically the only colors Vivzie ever uses. Some secondary characters like Ozzy, Fizzarolli, and the TV-head guy also use blue-green. other than that, but the entire main cast for both of her Hell shows is just those four colors.
POST M&M
>people thinking alastor and charlie are going to be a thing ever
she made alastor ace because of it, and she is so appealing to the lgbt there's no way vaggie x charlie ever going to stop being a thing
thinking alastor and charlie are going to be a thing ever
read the thread moron. Nobody thinks it will actually happen. Poeple just like the ship. We all know how Viv feels about it. Doesn't mean shippers stop fantasizing about what-ifs and arguing about the decision to cuck them altogether. It's just hopeful wishing and theorizing for Charlie and Alastor to interact. Same goes to VaggiexAD who have not yet annoyed Viv enough for her to scathe them too.
She has already said that Vaggie and Charlie are still GFs.
Where is it coming out and when did news about its arrival come out?
*blocks your path*
Lackadaisy was frickin awesome, I hope they do more.
It's funny listening to fans arguing about these two in the videos comment section.
I'll give Tracy credit, you don't see her getting all butt hurt over her fanbase shipping. It also helps that Freckle and Ivy are the only real item in the show and comic and people have them as their main ship anyway.
In never read the source material but it was better then vizzies shit
I thought the main character was an obnoxious homosexual , thought I did like tiger stripes, even if he was an edgelord cliche. Would watch more if they ever make any
>I thought the main character was an obnoxious homosexual
I thought he was cute...
Fricks me up he's voiced by Angel's VA.
ya ever wonder if Angel was let go because he would accept voicework for rival animated projects?
he's the VA for lackadaisty and even murder drones, right? Maybe that actually pissed Viv off, if you consider the leaks where she doesn't want any animators working on diff shows while they're under her.
That honestly wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.
I think assuming she would be petty enough to do that is correct. It doesn't help either that his girlfriend (Ashley Nichols) is also making her own show which Viv is also viewing as competition.
This is why I have the slightest bit of hope that Ed Bosco is still voicing Alastor. Ed hasn't gone off and done any other indie projects to my knowledge, and he even covered Viv's ass when they couldn't afford to get Norman Reedus to voice Striker again.
Ooh, Farfetched is her creation? Cool.
Yeah, the more that I think of it, that honestly may be exactly it.
Anyone have a link to the leaks?
I think it's part of the Erin Frost leaks, where she talks about how animators weren't allowed, or were highly discouraged or something, to work on other shows while animating for HB.
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https://twitter.com/erin_frost_art/status/1654760111552774146
The VAs themselves aren't even entirely sure what the intention was, but allegedly Viv disclosed that she never intended to keep anyone other than Ed and Michael, and ended up going without them because she's petty about people associating with anyone other than her.
Michael has outright said on his Twitter that it wasn't because of the union, that he was willing to join and could use being on HH as his opportunity for sponsorship.
When did this get leaked? So literally no one is returning? Wow. Frick Viv.
Just now.
where was it leaked?
Just here.
>Michael has outright said on his Twitter that it wasn't because of the union, that he was willing to join and could use being on HH as his opportunity for sponsorship.
Source?
Also you cannot just "join" an union in the US because you want to.
That's not how it works legally.
Also why tf would you not open the entire CC list?
Ed ain't on there and at this point it's long been known that if anyone stays it's him and no one else.
>bullsnyc23
That's quite obviously Ed. He's a huge Bulls fan.
that might be it, ty
Kind of but it doesn't make a solid argument.
Being part of a union is never a guarantee to be recast - it's the other way around.
Being an union member is the very first requirement you need to fulfill in this case.
So our three requirements are
a) You want to be a part of that specific Union.
b) They need to want you as a member.
c) The creative director who picks the members that get used needs to want you for that specific role.
And with non-disclosure agreement in place (which there absolutely are, seeing as they are standard in the industry) there is no way to say who was stuck at which of the three requirements.
Still shitty all around but I'm sick and tired of people being "boohoo poor pilot cast babies" and all that "ohhh it was so unexpected".
Especially since it is a pilot this is about.
She's not going to suck your dick, man.
I don't need a dick to be annoyed about literal adults begging for white-knighting from their respective fans and getting coddled despite them simply being part of a normal business relationship which happened to have ended.
Are you 5? Anything at work that you don't get in writing and seems to be in your favor is a lie.
In the end only written contracts count. It's not rocket science.
Oh no, I am 5, you got me. Guess I'll go back to kindergarten now, it was fun while it lasted.
Okay, so elaborate. You do believe it's smart to rely on hearsay in a professional (or what should be professional) work environment to protect your own interests as an employee is what I'm getting.
Since apparently that is not what you mean, please explain.
I'll elaborate on how she's not going to suck your dick, man.
Go frick yourself.
That should answer it all for you.
poor michael, he's a sweet bean
>diversity or direction for the characters and also the considerations of the studio as well
Frick you, vivziepop
Well, Vivienne, hope it was worth it to frick over your whole pilot cast for some C-list Broadway actors.
I knew the replacements were going to be shit, i just knew it. This is all so dumb, why replace your beloved pilot actors the fandom loved so much for years? I mean, I get it if you got the money for some real talent like getting Rob Pulsen for Angel but she doesn't.
How will Viv's yes-men try to defend this one
Vivzie’s a cold b***h. She threw everyone who helped her make the show under the bus for what is going to a mediocre one season flop. It’s Shakespearean
Yeah.
Seeing the previews for the official Hazbin Hotel, it makes me think Vivzie kind of threw away something really special (based on how good and expressive the pilot animation was in comparison).
She got what she really wanted in the end. A studio production and Broadway voice actors. And in fulfilling her dream, she ruined what made the pilot for Hazbin good and what made people like it. Now she's going to be pissing off a large percentage of her fans, Hazbin will inevitably be bad coming from a studio that's never worked with animation before, and there will be no second season. It's a direct parallel to what happened with Helluva Boss. She had a good premise and executed it on the altar of her fujoshi nature.
But Viv got to meet her Broadway heroes so it's all worth it!!!!!!!
Women, man.
Yeah... It's sort of weird because I assume part of why she drew so many Patreon supporters (or whatever) is because of the whole indie, small creators following their passion thing.
But then the football got kicked out of their hands into the industry's instead.
It's also weird because Viv honestly might not be that great of a creator on her own. She might have abandoned people that were propelling it further than she could have done by herself. I have a feeling that Ashley Nichols for instance might be a better animator than Vivzie from the small bits I've seen. Not sure.
To extend my feeling further, I guess it's almost like Vivzie introduced a really good premise, and people took that premise and ran with it and were building something BETTER than vivzie's actual own original ideas.
but when she left those people behind, all that was left were viv'z own actual ideas and her own decisionmaking which didn't have as much magic unfortunately
I am not sure if what I'm saying is accurate to how things have actually gone.
I think you're right on the money. Just off the top of my head besides Ashley, Daria Cohen animated a lot of the best moments in the pilot, and KenDraw wrote a lot of the plot and dialogue for the pilot as well. I think a lot of talented people worked on the pilot but now every few months there's a new call for applicants at SpindleHorse meaning they're losing people that frequently and they're hiring fans instead who will be yes-men to Viv who attack anyone who dare criticize their queen. Inevitably these are the people who will write about how bad their experience with Viv was a year later when the scales fall from their eyes that Viv is a horrible boss who treats her employees terribly.
I don't know for sure but I get the vague hint that it's Ashley because of the HuniCast and her obviously being close with Michael and Ed.
Ashley is no longer associated with Hazbin, right?
I also think part of the problem of deciding the platform for it is what the intended audience is supposed to be. The only people who will be watching it are the curated audience who have already followed it for years.
But who is the person who no one can be friends with and what was their crime?
Please god let pic related be true and about Viv, it would be so funny
She was never an underdog or anything. Pretty sure her family must be rather wealthy.
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/131932993/#131938955
Sounds just like her.
Would be funny. It's believable because there has been zero marketing; he was probably right about them relying on the online following.
Anybody can make up shit here, I only believe leakers who have actual footage, like the ones leaking storyboards.
Then why was she at the wrap party
The funny thing is there are so many walking disaster female showrunners is that there’s so many of them people had more than option for this who was kek. Rebecca Sugar? Noelle Stevenson? Dana Terrace? Vivziepop? I see this image pop up every time one of these showrunners fricks up and it’s hilarious it can apply to all of them
True, though the post after was pretty blatantly about A24
Elaborate on the merch section
Tbh it's probably fake but just from process of elimination you can knock out at least Dana (still working on TOH in 2022 and said herself she wants to take a break from cartoons) and Sugar (Cinemaphile doesn't really talk about her anymore). After that it's Noelle (but Cinemaphile only really talks about her these days to obsess over her personal life, I don't know what she's working on these days) and Vivzie. If this were real, it's most likely about her.
Look as much as people hate Dana, Dana is also a WORKER. Not a great one from the way she whines but she is the kind of person who seems like she gets the idea of timelines, deadlines and work production.
Guilty until proven innocent right? No proof or name given but doubtless Cinemaphile will keep running with this theory for ages. As is tradition.
If this is true then Bosco is truly cucked for continuing to help Viv in HB, even bailing her out when the celebrity she hired as a publicity stunt predictably refused to come back.
He voices a bunch of side characters.
Millie's dad
the bouncer at Ozzie's
The hellhound guy from the unreleased Season 1 Episode 8
Now Striker
The most dedicated friends are often the ones who dont see the problem in front of them.
Has this been circulated on the bird site yet, I want to see Viv's reaction to it
Her response would probably be something like
>There's so much I want to say, but can't right now.
>I need a mental health day
God, I'm hoping that everyone who worked on this thing comes out one day, no fricks given, and just releases a juicy tell all. I'm so curious.
Me too, Satan, me too.
heh even before Lackadaisy pilot there was fanart for Lucifer and Lilith as cats from that universe.
I became aware of this comic forever ago by some avatargay on /b/
He was an obnoxious butthole so I never looked into it out of petty spite
I finally checked it out when this video came out and I am shocked that I could read through it all in a day
Like I know the artist puts a ridiculous amount of effort into it but damn
Oh hey I knew that avatarhomosexual. It was either Dutch or Smarticus.
I read this comic but I don't remember jack shit about it. Very, very unmemorable and I can't tell what the lasting appeal is, aside from the atmosphere.
this didn't smell like it was getting an episode 2
Why would you nickname a female Vaggie. Did Viv not see the funni?
If she were a guy would his name be Dickie?
Yes, she knows. Was there not a joke in the pilot about it too? Or was it just the taco one?
Anyway, the full name is Vagatha.
Richard would be his full name and then shortened to Dick or Rich imo
Probably the reason she’s a real c**t
angel dust goes on a drunken antisemitic rant while husk pretends to listen polishing a glass and trying his best to not let any of angels antiquated casual bigotry mentally register
bonus:
https://vocaroo.com/13o5QoGLARAT
I think if Vivzie saw this she’d have a stroke and did on the spot
Someone tweet it at her
I actually think you’d be pretty good if you tweet it with something like “OMG GUYS PLLLZZZZ don’t watch this it’s so offensive and racist. @vivziepop can we please do something about this????”
>Angel Dusts chinese cowboy impression is so offensive that Vivzie's stomach ulcer practically explodes and she is unable to ask Angel to stop being so fricking racist.
Is the audio working? It keeps cutting off at 30 seconds in.
yeah its only that long sorry whoops left 5 MINUTES OF BLACK SILENCE at the end there
whoopsie doopsie!
Thanks for letting me know anon, I figured it was something like that
anon you have no idea how much your vocaroo means to me. i cannot explain it but it has touched the deepest parts of my soul. i feel truly blessed. best timeline
no problem anon
Why?
But also this is amazing?
But also lmao, why?
Him being casually offensive suits the character so well.
1 month, still hasn't reached 10 mil. It's fallen off so hard.
How the frick has it been a month already?
Time
Frick that
>Still has more views than LACKADAISY (Pilot)
LMAO
>muh shitty console wars cartoon edition
Cringe
Just for comparison
groan of second-hand pain just from seeing that
Let’s make even MORE of a comparison
> Pilot: 56 million views
> S1 E1: 55 million views
> S1 E2: 46 million views
> S1 E3: 45 million views
> S1 E4: 34 million views
> S1 E5: 34 million views
> S1 E6: 35 million views
> S1 E7: 26 million views
> S2 E1: 23 million views
> S2 E2: 18 million views
> S3 E3: 16 million views
> S4 E4: 9 million views
Ignore autistic s3 and s4 on the bottom two I’m moronic
>I'm moronic
We know.
S2 E3 and S2 E4 suffered a drop of almost half.
It might still climb a little but oof...
Me too, anon. Me too.
> S2 E1: 10 months ago
> S2 E2: 8 months ago
> S2 E3: 3 months ago
> S2 E4: 4 weeks ago
What caused such a huge drop off? S2 E2 and S2 E3 were five months apart but had almost the same amount of views. S2 E4 had barely a two month difference and nearly half the views
>What caused such a huge drop off?
Quality taking a nosedive and Viv deciding to make Loona mute.
If she's afraid of Loona outshining everybody she can sideline her until her fanbase wittles down to 5 people.
Is Loona really that big of a draw? I thought it was a meme
>Is Loona really that big of a draw
Yes.
Why? Is it literally just furries watching for a couple of seconds of her being snarky? I feel like the idea of Loona people have is different then what she actually is in the show
Idiotic decision, wrong reason. The VA can deny it all she wants but I think it's more realistic to give her some breathing room at work
If it keeps declining at this rate, by the end of season two it might begin to peak at only 2 or 3 million views. I predict a lot of people will drop it after the Millie episode that's coming. And Viv said it's going to have 4 seasons to tell the whole story? That is NOT happening.
Vivzie really reminds me of Dana Terrace, vastly overestimate how much time she needs and not considering the ability of her team to produce content for that long or the interest of the audience to keep something going for that long. Honestly you could only justify a S3 if you had the 20 million views of the first episode, Vivzie will either be incredibly lucky or incredibly arrogant to try for a season 3, irl shows have been canceled for less then this
Hopefully Viv isn't a groomer as well, but she seems more interested in grown, skinny men than minors (except one depraved piece of art with 17 year old involving snaked fricking in a bathtub and hardcore bondage gear, art style looked too much like Dr. Seuss for my liking to an uncomfortable degree)
> one depraved piece of art with 17 year old involving snaked fricking in a bathtub and hardcore bondage gear
Wat
what
There's two drawings of him fricking snakes actually.
Viv also included a bio for his mom, who's a snakewoman, that mentions that he got his love of snakes from her.
I feel like people who make this sort of art do not have a good relationship with their parents. I would never want to make 'art' of deviancy and fetishes publicly because it would humiliate my parents. But somehow some people are comfortable making a living off of it, publicly.
Really? My parents wouldn't want me to live in fear of how my actions would make them feel.
I don't know. I know my parents would still love me if I publicly posted snakerape or diaper fetish art or whatever but it is like if I became a pornstar or something. I just don't see how you can be in a career like that and not feel bad for your parents having to carry that image of you.
Unlike becoming a pornstar, you do not HAVE to tell your parents about the fetishes that you draw...
Its just another form of shamelessness stemming from narcissism. I used to have a wannabe artist friend that would get mad if I ever implied there was anything wrong with the gay community or pointed out that maybe he should get an actual job instead of trying to coast by drawing yoshi vore pixel art commissions at his mother's house. The worst part is he's primarily a colorist and his art has only been commissioned by brokedick autists or other "I'm a professional author because I have e-books listed on amazon" types.
I'm the kind of dipshit that wants to my stories short. Who the frick wants to make series that are several seasons long instead of 2 or 3 seasons long?
People like Dana and Vivzie vastly overestimate how long their stories take, or they think more seasons = better. In all honestly most series can be done in a short time, especially when you’re under a timeframe and only have so many limited resources so you have to make your story happen faster. A lot of writers frick up by dragging their story out for too long
There is a huge field of difference between them and One Piece's Oda.
Oda made a humongous world because his imagination and vision went out of his hands. There was legit too many relevant countries, rulers, characters, and storylines packed into one.
Dana, Vivzie, and Manga frickers makes these big storylines out of only a few selections of characters. There's about less than ten relevant characters in their stories, and they stretched the frick out of this one piece of character drama for three or four fricking seasons.
In Comparison, TMNT Rise centered its first two seasons around Shredder and Draxion, and they wanted to finish the rest of their shit (The two Turtle sisters, Leo's leadership, Big Mama, and the Krang) in season 3. They wanted to wrap it up as early as they could at a reasonable pace. I bet if they were given another half-season (Nick cut their asses apart in season 2), they would be able to finish everything off with much stronger pacings than seasons 1 and 2.
What the frick would Vivzie do from having a cancelled season?
Once again Glitch BTFOs Vivzie in this regard
The superior deviantart cringekino
What's weird is the engagement rates.
>Pilot: 1.8 million likes
>S1 E1: 1.9 million likes
>S1 E2: 1.7 million likes
>S1 E3: 1.5 million likes
>S1 E4: 1.2 million likes
>S1 E5: 1.3 million likes
>S1 E6: 1.5 million likes
>S1 E7: 1.2 million likes
>S2 E1: 1.3 million likes
>S2 E2: 1.1 million likes
>S2 E3: 911k likes
>S2 E4: 746k likes
It still drops off, but it's not exactly by the same massive amounts at a time. The engagement rate is going up because the views are falling a lot faster, I almost wonder if she's been buying views and tapering off on how many she buys.
It's because of rewatching, Einstein. One person can watch a video a thousand times or more but can only ever give it one single like.
Can someone please post some gay spider?
what WOULD hAPPEN if you put a gay spider and a gay owl in a room and shot them both to death.
You are.
I'm not even mad, I've been looking forward to this show for like a year an a half, but I discovered it pretty late. How long have you guys been waiting?
since the pilot.
but dropped after the AD music video because it was dumb and gay, already stirring in the direction of loads of melodrama. Have gained interest back because it's coming out soon.
> its just gonna be vaggie x charlie for 6 season and like some lines between charlie and Alastor that keeps anons rooting for them
pretty much. It won't stop people interpreting things how they want to.
No, it won't matter. Shippers will ship and Charlastorgays will just live in thier versions of the show and escape to fan-content.
If Charlie/Alastor/Veggie had a threesome, I think it would just be 3 hours of Veggie being topped
The three of them should love each other. Chaglastor.
Yes. But veggie has so much pathetic submissive energy I think she’d get (lovingly) bullied by them
oh my based
>Hazbin homotel.
Yuck, based brando didn't get banned for this.
Lilith pressuring and threatening Alastor to put a baby in Charlie because she wants grandchildren. And Lucifer rooting for Vaggie because he wants to stay the patriarch of the family….. its all making sens… no I’m not coping at all
kek
Would be funny if Lilith wants her daughter with the Radio Demon.
All I know is I'm gonna grab some peanut butter and make a good boy out of this man.
Massive KNOTTED wiener.
Based THUG SHAKER
Take your hands off it and shake that shit
Yes, please daddy Vortex
give it to me pls ;~;
here is your marketing :
Heresy! AlastorxVaggie is where it's at
those tentacles belong in vaggies- ............... holes ! XD
Heh, God bless this artist if he ever has the balls to post this on Twitter, is going to be a fricking warzone
he did already. though, I think it will take a while before the Figs attack him.
Straight ships are the best
Angel X Vaggie
Charlie X Alastor
THIS is the show I wanted to watch.
>> " Charlie realize she's an obnoxious moral busy-body and the reason she's in hell is because good people don't force their morals on others. and so she decided to solve all her problems by becoming straight and get married with a male along with Vaggie. and they lived super-straight ever after! "
I don't really ship them but Vaggie and Angel Dust always make me hard. Kinda wish they were together in porn more often.
these kind of people are just as bad as the rest of the moronic hazbin fandom
Yeah I wish people could embrace old fashioned, wholesome degeneracy and draw everyone fricking.
https://erinfrostart.tumblr.com/post/687717644789530625/so-recently-an-ex-crew-member-on-helluva-boss
This b***h is crazy delusional
>She gave us tight deadlines
>Couldnt work on other things
>Burnout after what sounds like probably two scenes of work
Jesus christ THIS shit is why modern cartoons suck.
Best ship
So what is even the point of this show now? Originally Viv claimed she wanted Hazbin to be the "serious show" as opposed to Helluva Boss being the "funni more lighthearted show", but now that it has become a soap opera about homosexual romance, where does that leave us?
Early August
>This shit is supposed to come out next month.
Wait, you're fricking telling me THIS SHIT HASNT COME OUT YET?
I refuse to believe all these years of standing whatever the frick those character designs are supposed to be, this show hasnt come out. What did come out from Vizziethefrick? Was it another show entirely? The two of them blend together much like every design is prosopagnosia-inducing, so makes sense.
What the frick.
>What did come out from Vizziethefrick?
Helluva Boss.
And she's busy refusing to give Loona lines because people like her more than the homosexual owl.
>And she's busy refusing to give Loona lines because people like her more than the homosexual owl.
for real? source?
>Wonder if it hasn't come out due to the writer strike
in b4 they were finished writing before it happened.
Uh huh. And Viv released this pilot back in 2018
So are there MAPs sinners in hell? They got trannies, nonbies, acers, aspies and two spergs, but will they also include the most hated twitter gender/sex of all?
Vivzie stated before the series was picked up that certain types of crimes get you removed from existing before you even have the chance to go to hell
I'm not sure which ones exactly anymore but I assume pedos would be included here since it's not considered a media friendly sin
But yeah it's moronic and they should be in hell too
I guess the idea of a pedophile being told "redemption is possible" would brand her show as pedo apology and most likely tank her entire online career
Interest stonks tanked when Helluva showed Hell was just red LA. I can't fathom sanitizing your own concept not for ad bucks but because you wanted to.
>Using the old superior artstyle instead of the shitty calarts one
smert
> Vivzie sees Hazbin Hotel as her primary project, only made a Pilot of it
> spent years making it into an official production; betrayed almost all her voice actors, sold out her show, trashed her writing out of spite for her fans
> vivzie leaves behind a history of broken relationships, burned bridges, and unprofessional behavior
> Hazbin hotel has no marketing whatsoever, vivzie has a dwindling fanbase, HH will have one mediocre, completely forgettable season and be quietly cancelled
> Vivzie works on HB as her side project, creating more then she did for Hazbin
> HB drastically dropped in views before the end of season two, will definitely not get the 4 seasons Vivzie planned.
It’s almost poetic, isn’t it? Vivzie stepped on and betrayed everyone to make her “real” project, Hazbin Hotel, and it’s almost definitely gonna crash and burn a mediocre one season cancellation. The show she will actually have more content in, HB, is dying a slow pathetic death because of her moronic writing decisions and seething at the fans (too much focus on Blitzo/Stolas, hating Stella, muting Loona).
What does the future hold for Vivizepop?
>out of spite for her fans
wasn't the whole issue that they were told they couldn't due to legal issues with music?
Vivzie almost broke her entire show because she synced music videos to shitty pop music. How can one woman be so autistic?
yeah, figured
Hazbinbros... it's ogre, isn't it?
She'll become a has-been, like pottery.
How come there is no troony characters in Helluva Boss?
In before Millie's brother. That is it though. I dont think I can even think of background characters who are FTM.
Viv can only write gay men.
And even then only a very specific kind of gay man.
>I dont think I can even think of background characters who are FTM.
And thats a good thing.
>OY VEY THEY'RE GETTING ANGRY AT VIV
>HURRY, POST MORE LOONA PORN! HIRE MORE ARTISTS!
>Vivzie will go out of her way in the show to spite a ship she doesn't like
>all of the amazing Japanese/Korean fanartists immediately drop HH because Charlastor is the the only thing they're interested in
Bravo Viv.
You know, I could just not care what Viv does with her characters but this
this hurts me the most.
Why couldn't Viv just play it neutral and foster both parts of the fandom as they compete among themselves. So much content could have been made
Vivzie made Alastor ace cause some guy on her team suggested it. The guy left the team but vivzie doubled down on it. She also hates how popular Charlastor has been. It’s one thing to be annoyed by fans, but she has been openly feuding with them for years, seething and rewriting characters, relationships, and entire plots solely out of hate for this ship
She also doubled down on making Stolitz and Charlie X Vaggie canon because people on her team like it. Whatever the original vision was, it's been compromised many times over.
Vivzie didn’t even do it to get back at Cinemaphile or anything. She’s feuding with her 14 year old fans who have the same progressive views of her. So she’s not even attacking a minority of haters, she’s antagonizing a large portion of her audience. It’s so autistic
How much longer until Murder Drones overtakes Helluva Boss?
It already has
I didn't say she can't do it, I'm just going to say that fetishizing someone fricking their pets is very white woman of her.
soon
nice
Why the frick must my wife be trapped in such a shitty show
Escape to the fandom
Enjoy all the art and content created by fans.
That is all there will ever be to enjoy.
When the pilots first dropped I remember thinking that Helluva Boss would get pitched to a network as an episodic comedy show while Hazbin would remain an independently made passion project. I wonder if that would've been better in the long run.
That 100% would have.
Originally, HB should have been the simple episodic one to keep the fandom alive while they produce HH which in return would be the more big plot show. I guess they thought they could have done that with HH being picked up by a studio (which is wild to me because most TV/streaming animation studios really gimp the creative process if it hasn't already been worked out) and doing HB themselves.
I honestly wish it was like you say.
Who have it worse?
Charlastorgays or LooBlack folk?
Charlastor will win in the long run.
Charlastor fans if they had their way would make a good series, loonagays have literally nothing except simping for a furry. Honestly, Loona feels like a character who is so removed from the setting and the cast it’s hard to see her as a HB character
ITT
I don't know how I would feel if even one thing from here was true. Don't know if anything here is honestly, but if some of it is then good lord.
>Anon ends up a cat furry in hell
>heads to IMP to put a hit out on the drunken butthole that ran him over
>sees Loona at the front desk
>instantly smitten
>instantly rejected
>tries again and again to win her over with corny schemes until he finally succeeds
Could be cute.
I want viv to fail I cannot wait for artists and works to spill out their nda and see d a wave of shit of how viv was a terrible person
Everyone already knows she's a terrible person. Her staff hate her.
When can the Hazbin Pilot voice actors start talking openly about stuff? Why would they still be unable to talk about it this far?
>morally posturing helluva boss fans when they realized murder is also illegal
Charlies and Vaggie belong together in my bed competing to see who can pleasure me more and who will get pregnant first
Men cant get pregnant
not with that attitude
Largely in thanks to this show backing out of a kino Vaggie Dust ship, I will go ahead and make my comic with a femboy x straight girl pairing.
Cool, be sure to shill it here.
Remember when the entire female side of the internet fapped to left fricking a paper bag man?
So? Us males are no better.
Guys spend years working out so girls can coom over molester in a top hat and a suit
thats why i'm ahead of the curve biyatch
Doomguy would frick Charlie up
https://twitter.com/VivziePop/status/1671342823323623424?s=19
This better not be a fricking tease, Viv.
Would be funny if the episode is fricking horrible
Can't be any worse than any episodes since the Circus.
>Be VivziePop
>Find out someone leaked your email you sent to the HH pilot cast firing them all
>Quick, what will distract people from being angry if they find out
>"Hey guys!!! Episode 8 of Helluva Boss season 1 is officially coming soon!!!"
Twatter searching relevant terms only brings up one post by a literally who, I don't think that email has made the rounds yet.
>Twatter
Where else does vivzie drama circulate
It's going to be nothing but Blitzo & Stolas being massive homosexuals for 10-20 minutes, isn't it?
That or a major character (Stella) is going to die on screen.
>tfw mick was an alcoholic because he was method acting