This show is more popular than most big name animes. The west has risen. Vivie has won.
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This show is more popular than most big name animes. The west has risen. Vivie has won.
I'm gonna take your thread for a second and air out something that's been on my mind for a while.
This "Winning" culture... This "My side won, your side lost" nonsense, the need to believe that two things that aren't opposites nor enemies or competitors are somehow at odds with one another, to assign them to your very selfhood despite having no connection with them and their creation, directly associate them with your self worth and then claim victory based on arbitrary criteria. I think it's a result of a sense of worthlessness, people who have no skills, no real passions, nothing they can prove themselves with nor anything that drives them or any association with or loyalty to anything that truly matters in the world, feel the need to supplement their personal lack of accomplishments with those of others, or with arbitrary rules. Why do we play games? Why do we cheer when we win in a game of chess against another person? Because we worked hard, competes, tested our knowladge and ability, and ultimately succeeded in something that took effort. It's not just the act of winning that makes us happy. I could win every second of every day if I decide to play a game with myself wherein a "win" for every breath I take, games are made up and so are rules, and there's usually no reward. So I won, right? But then why aren't I happy? Because it's a worthless empty victory. I can do better, I don't need to set an arbitrary stage for me to win, I don't need to win an argument by making the other guy get bored and leave, or win a culture war by saying "See that guy who's winning? He's my guy, if he wins I win too- Yup he just won, I'M THE BEST!" Most of us would rather achieve something by our own merit, but many don't, or cannot, so they boil 'victory' down to nothingness to make themselves feel good.
Agreed. I have no love for Vivziepop, but personally caring whether or not she's commercial successful doesn't impact my life any more than it does hers, so threads like this are absolutely pointless and insanely pathetic.
You make good points but im not reading all of this.
then
how do you know he made good points?
I skimmed it
Holy frick tl;dr gaylord
While I agree with you, for shows like this, it's like validation after years of people mocking the project due to the creator, the animation, the designs, and things like that. All before the actual show ever came out, and now seeing it get a positive reception in spite of all the seething rage, it's understandable you want to flex that.
Not all hatred against this and Vivzie is unreasonable, there's a lot of dumb shit she's said and done, and her other show is cringe. But there's also some annoying obsessed people who got beaten the frick down by this success.
From what I hear, the series itself is a downgrade from the pilot.
Unironically, the plot of sinners trying to reform themselves to get into heaven was far more ambitious than the actual story. Which a lot of people predicted would be the case beforehand, but such is life.
Not really, there's a lot from the series that people have enjoyed that's not in the pilot at all. Most of the popular characters now are exclusive to the show, not the pilot. Better songs too.
While it is a success, and I'll admit there are things in it I liked, the challenge is going to be if it can remain good. Being a decent work is somewhat easy. Either have and show an interesting idea or have a "Thing" that just draws people in(Primal is a good idea of the latter with its methodology). But when you hook people you need to keep them on and that can be harder than people realize. Mainly because most people don't think that far. They only have the initial idea and think that's enough for long lasting fame.
Vivizie might suffer from that soon if she's not careful, but I'll admit that her concept allows fro and easier continuatuon
>But there's also some annoying obsessed people who got beaten the frick down by this success.
Like who?
blud bait 5 Black folk with a copypasta :skull:
>copypasta
Okay schizo
But the war of intellectual thought against christian tyrannical mobthink and muh divine order/status quo-unthink has been going on since the middle ages. Pray you don't live to see how it ends.
>Okay schizo
>[proceeds to say a buncha completely unrelated shit to the post he's responding to]
do you read the posts you respond to? or just blank out as your eyes glaze over and you imagine a completely different paragraph in your head that you get upset over?
Amen to that
This show is really gay. Was it really worth it?
yes
I’m glad a female indie artist’s show achieved so much popularity when animation is so male-dominated.
She's a privileged piece of shit.
Everyone who gets their own show in animation is.
Matt Groening? Dad knew Tracy Allman, little nepobaby.
Adam Reed? His mom worked on Space Ghost originally and with Disney as a colorist.
Seth MacFarlene? His dad invented a flavor for Baskin Robbins, had money out the wazoo growing up so he could afford RISD.
Pick a creator, they all started at the top and just fought it out with other creators. None of them worked their way up.
Would you say Crumb and Bakshi are an exception to the rule?
It was a different landscape then, but even Crumb I would say had connections. Can't say anything for Bakshi, but he might be the only exception to the rule.
Wouldn't you say that's what networking is? I've been trying to contact Myrkott so I can animate Masameer stuff.
...ish? Because we can't quite call it networking in the sense that not everyone can get to certain levels, but there are plenty of examples of people "networking" where they got ahead without any prior relationship. Norman Reedus comes to mind who had no prior relationship but got in a party about how famous he was an was hired based on it. I think it might be though that every industry eventually becomes optimistically nepotistic given immediate learned behaviors and at worst incestuous, gatekeeping for a small family. But I ain't a sociologist, because sociologists are just introverted psychologists.
If I can't go through certain levels, then I might as well appeal to the lowest common denominator once or twice.
>Can't say anything for Bakshi, but he might be the only exception to the rule.
Nah, Cosmo Anzilotti rec'd Bakshi to Terrytoons' head. They were friends.
>Angel Dust, how many dicks have you sucked??
>How many breads have you eaten in your life?
Vivziepoop is a plagiarist and a millennial homosexual.
I will now frick the spider
What made Hazbin such a global phenomenon?
Alt righters whining about the cussin' causing a streisand effect
Success as a direct result of the actions of those who want you to fail fricking themselves over is the sweetest in the world.
There is a character for every person’s taste that they can fap to
Short: even people usually not keen on anime or cartoon give it a try because it's so short
Available on prime: so easy access for most people
Designs: are unique compared to other cartoons available
Plot: the premise is very simple to understand
Competition: there's not much, or at all, competition for it. It's market is currently NOT saturated so it's easier for folks to gravitate to it
Character diversity: everyone has a character they can get behind. You like the goodies two shoes nice girl? There's one. You like mysterious and suspicious? You want tumblr wet dream, horny gay Character in abusive relationship that needs saving? Everyone has something
There’s characters that appeal to everyone
Normoid characters (Charlie, Sir Pentious, Husker, Lucifer)
Tumblrina characters (Angel, Vaggie, Alastor)
Cinemaphile characters (Adam, Lute, Vox)
I'd say Lucifer is more tumblr folks, what with his depression and whatnot, and Alastor is more normie
Alastor is riding a fine line between tumblr and normie for me because he’s the asexual tumblr edgeman character but he’s also the show’s most popular character.
Lucifer seems more like everyone’s “literally me” character, a depressed do-gooder
A lot of his tumblr status is outside the show itself. Him being a sexual isn't a thing in the show, outside one throwaway line, and even his edgy dexter serial killer part is not in the show yet. So the normies just see an interesting and complex character *when compared to the more simple and black and white motivations of most of the cast). Mystery man: he's witty, he acts cool and there's suspense over his true goals, but he's not flawless or too overpowered or mentally ill. It's not surprising normies love him too
Frick forgot to reply to the lucifer part
Lucifer has mental struggles, looks silly and acts way too pathetic. I think that's the sort of "twist" for the king of he'll that tumblr would lap up
Not that normies dislike him, but I just think tumblr would be much keener on him and his struggles
Anime is better.
There is no context in which that statement is true
Cope
popularity does not mean the fandom is worth being in
Large fandoms always turn to shit.
>nooooo the show isn't consistent with something Viv said 5 years ago on a podcast!!!
These people need IRL friends. They spend the whole day in the internet.
The sad truth is that lost people who spend all day online are in fact lonely and lack real friends. Like I get you’re saying they should get IRL friends but most of them can’t for a multitude of reasons and they use the internet to cope until it often consumes them.
Vivie is just being the new founder of a future western Trigger studio.
I like Alastor, Vox, Pentious, Niffty, Zestial, Lute, Adam and those egg things
That's it
Excuse OP, he is severely moronic and extremely mentally ill. He lives his days in squaller and continues to post the same vague "VIVZIEPOP DESTROYED ANIME" threads every day.
We are looking for ways to forcibly have OP take his meds.
It's just the "DEMON SLAYER OUTSOLD EVERY COMIC BOOK" event of animation, anon.
DIO!
DIO wouldn’t be Angel Dust he’d be the top rapist like Valentino. His whole thing is dominating people having them under his control and using them until he no longer needs them. If he can’t have them he kills them.