I love how when this show was still on all the comments on this video were horsegays shitting on family guy, but now that the show is over and the hype dissipated all the comments are shitting on bojak.
I felt for BoJack because I'm depressed too but then movie went meta like "Noooo you can't like him, he's evil" yadda yadda.
Also I hate the fact that some problems seem impossible to deal with in one episode and may be a subject for a whole season and then they are magically solved in next episode for... some reason? Oh and Todd stops being a character after 2nd season or sth.
I really hate the modern writing trope of "We're gonna spend several seasons convincing you to like this guy and then admonish you at the end for liking him."
> Also I hate the fact that some problems seem impossible to deal with in one episode and may be a subject for a whole season and then they are magically solved in next episode for... some reason?
Okay to give them some credit they got cancelled by Netflix for supporting the animators union and they had more seasons and stories in mind but had to condense it all into a two part season.
I really hate the modern writing trope of "We're gonna spend several seasons convincing you to like this guy and then admonish you at the end for liking him."
>still think they're meant to hate Bojack >who is shown at the end of the show being a better person than when he started out
Zoomers were a mistake.
one thing I noticed is that despite bojack ostensibly being the main character, the majority of the dialog seems to come from completely uninteresting dumpy femoid side characters such as the one in OP pic
It was too based for most people. The episode were the fish pop-star wrote a song about doing a drive-by on her fetus but then she wound up keeping the baby when her mommy instincts kicked in gave too many people whiplash. Show pulled shit like that two or three times a season.
Bojack himself wasn't cemented as a character until the observatory. I think that also turned a lot of people off. You really didn't know what kind of guy he was until that. Which was, several seasons in and all. Also yeah Todd's character assassination and Mr. Peanutbutter turning into a real human bean. I dunno. This show had so much going on.
>Bojack himself wasn't cemented as a character until the observatory.
I find this dumb bc they rewrite it in the last season with the not calling for help till late. Between that and making the Gina issue escapade with the drugs, and then making the big bd thing penny, they lost the thread of who he was more then the audience. And Todd was always ass
>it was based for most people >goes on to list MUH FEELS and MUH CHARACTERS
Absolutely brutal. This is a cartoon with absolutely zero artistic and visual value. Where is the funny then? Christ almighty.
It got really bad around season 5 and especially, apparently this was because the creator heard Weinstein liked the underwater episode and it broke his brain
How come Dianes weight loss was never mentioned or criticised or anything? She was sitting at home gaining tons of weight, and being obese is a horrible time yet the show treats it like nothing.
It was due to her anti-depressants. Unsure why the writers weren't more critical of it. They were pretty harsh with the amphetamine abuse as a comparison.
That's an easy assumption to make but given how nuanced other topics were handled I doubt it's that simple. Bias on the writers end was never something I felt very strongly. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt given the rest of the show, and say that maybe Diane turning into a ham planet was the trade off for a balanced life. Maybe they genuinely felt her being a butter golem was the happiest ending for her. Considering how several other characters end up, it seems fitting.
Could be wrong of course. Maybe it is simple shilling for a consumed product. But I don't feel it.
Ugly Americans was better
*clear throat of phlegm, bile, coke zero, diet coca-cola, coke residue, and your boyfriend's semen* Wrong.
>It was due to her anti-depressants.
it's the antipsychotics that tend to fatten people up
antidepressents/ssris can do it but its much less common
t. been on both, got the stretch marks
Not at all, Mr Peanutbutter was always shown to be nice and well meaning, but blind to the subtleties of a relationship, which can result in arguments but never something like cheating
But Mr Peanutbutter is a hetero male in Bojack so he has to frick up
The culture of millennial covert narcissism it embodied was dying and being replaced by zoomer crypto-puritanism while it was still airing. Media majors of the future will treated it as a fascinating artifact out of its own time, like the antikythera mechanism or Carlos Mencia
This is absurdly true lmao. Went from a nihilistic character study of a washed up narcissistic TV star in the first few seasons to a "critique" of Hollywood and problematic male celebrities in the second half.
Gave me whiplash at the time, but in retrospect it makes perfect sense. The cultural climate had shifted completely.
Yes, and it was completely unnecessary. Bojack did a lot of objectively immoral things but none of them were monstrous, so they decided to retroactively make him a monster to justify the clumsy MeToo arc.
The Sarah Lynn shit is what did it, for me. Everything else was kind of whatever. The shit with Sarah Lynn was inexcusable. Especially after everything that had happened up until that point.
Stoped watching when I realized that the whole meta of the show was that the writers just hate celebrities and tried to vent it through this show. The effort they put to make the MC the most unlikable creature to ever live and still hoped anyone would want to keep watching him. Plus the shameless USA liberal/leftist agenda they constantly parade through the whole show, and always with characters that are "mentally stable", I've never met a lefty that was marginally not bonkers.
Yes, and it was completely unnecessary. Bojack did a lot of objectively immoral things but none of them were monstrous, so they decided to retroactively make him a monster to justify the clumsy MeToo arc.
Never watched this, was the MC character assassinated?
Kind of. He's supposed to be a pretty bad guy throughout the series, but the idea was that he was building to some sort of redemption. And in the last season or two the writers did a complete 180 and gave him comeuppance in the form of a MeToo situation, ruined career, and lost friends. It was entirely unsatisfying.
Absolutely
The whole show is about following a pretty bad guy through his childhood, stardom, then adulthood, and while he fricks up majorly he genuinely changes and tries to make amends. But in the last season they completely destroyed him and any hope of redemption because I have no idea, twitter reasons I guess
The show couldn't decide whether it wanted to be dark comedy or serious drama, and it ended up being farcical. Bojack would go through serious character development only to get shat on for increasingly unbelievable reasons.
Perfect ending would be Bojack drowning in the pool It would be perfect bitter-sweet ending because "ohh he was trying to turn his life around" and probably deserved better than that but on the other hand his shitty lifestyle caught up to him eventually
I dunno why writers didn't do it
That wouldn't have been a satisfying ending but it would have at least been a sensible ending.
I'm leaning more towards that theory that Bojack did die in the pool and the last episode is a strange fantasy/dream thing where no one is actually real, hence why the conclusion is so unsatisfying
If you consider the mid-season finale the true ending and ignore that last scene where Hollyhock is talking to that guy it kind of works.
Jesus where to even start
Imagine the most obnoxious lefty twitter user who is also American but comes from a Vietnamese family
Now imagine she had her own TV show and everything she said was treated as morally correct
>didn't mention she fricks dogs literally
Also she fricks dogs literally. Didn't they even do a sound gag for when she took the knot? I remember that now....
could it be that she said another female character name? the girl herself didn't seem leftist, and was pureblood european
are there any other main girls in it, something a bit more cool
Stoped watching when I realized that the whole meta of the show was that the writers just hate celebrities and tried to vent it through this show. The effort they put to make the MC the most unlikable creature to ever live and still hoped anyone would want to keep watching him. Plus the shameless USA liberal/leftist agenda they constantly parade through the whole show, and always with characters that are "mentally stable", I've never met a lefty that was marginally not bonkers.
Perfect ending would be Bojack drowning in the pool It would be perfect bitter-sweet ending because "ohh he was trying to turn his life around" and probably deserved better than that but on the other hand his shitty lifestyle caught up to him eventually
I dunno why writers didn't do it
I'm leaning more towards that theory that Bojack did die in the pool and the last episode is a strange fantasy/dream thing where no one is actually real, hence why the conclusion is so unsatisfying
the first time i watched it i didnt realize there was another episode because it just turned off or something. i thought it just ended on him drowning in the pool. honestly would have been a really strong choice and a better conclusion to the story overall. just a real kick to the nuts with no closure to tie things up. just like irl.
it's definitely kino bait for normies. my God I hate them. literally babbys first emotional piece is all it takes to have normies raving but anything actually emotionally intelligent leaves them scratching their head.
I'm so tired of modern society being perpetually stuck in junior high and now it's getting even worse, were regressing faster and faster. eventually the equivalent of baby shark will top the chart
I loved the first couple seasons when it aired. It became tougher to rewatch later because Bojack just complains so fricking much. After a while all you hear is will arnett's voice and it becomes grating.
It's fun though while it lasts. The visual puns and regular puns are fun. If you like that style of humor, Venture Brothers is probably one of the top cartoons ever made and it's full of them.
In like 5 seasons, there's about 6 episodes worth of good content.
The sheer amount of animated sitcom slop with unfunny bullshit and piss poor writing is overwhelming.
you have to chug a gallon of pure frothing boiling piss just to get to the actual flavour.
A good editing job could fix it and make it actually digestible, but honestly, I don't think anyone has it in them to give this show that kind of attention.
So many dark comedy shows get to about season 3 or 4 and forget that they're comedies; they get up their own ass about the IMPORTANCE OF MUH PLATFORM AND MESSAGE and the shit becomes completely impossible to watch.
Hated this, tried the first season out years ago when I still had netflix, what's the point of a comedy full of depressing fricks that you can't relate to at all?
What is a show/movie that explores similar themes that you guys think is good?
I thought it was good but I haven't seen too much media admittedly. Every time bojack comes up here people say it's "up its own ass" or that it's "too reddit/twitter" I just wanna know what you guys think does it better?
My depression kino >Donnie Darko >The Royal Tenenbaums >Little Miss Sunshine >The Grapes of Wrath >The Wild Hunt >House MD + Scrubs = Manic Depression >No Country for Old Men >Pink Floyd: The Wall >Futurama
I think more than it all being bad the issue was it said pretty much everything it had to say in 2 seasons.
It showed him being a mess for 2 seasons, then ended on the "every day" bit with the monkey. That was the end. 2 seasons of circular self analyzing and dramatic false starts and self sabotage and butthole behaviour, then the actual reality that if you're ever going to improve it will be through undramatic, unromantic, consistent adherence to difficult new standards, and you'll either do it or you won't.
The show never made any substantial point after this except to show that sometimes people don't improve and they just remain bad and feel bad until they die. But that wasn't worth spoiling the thematic completeness of the first 2 seasons, because that was implicit in the first 2 seasons. Everyone knew that could happen, because the premise of the first 2 seasons was trying to avoid it.
>It showed him being a mess for 2 seasons, then ended on the "every day" bit with the monkey. That was the end. 2 seasons of circular self analyzing and dramatic false starts and self sabotage and butthole behaviour, then the actual reality that if you're ever going to improve it will be through undramatic, unromantic, consistent adherence to difficult new standards, and you'll either do it or you won't.
Thats a good post. I related a lot to Bojack because it seemed like his problems were mostly self inflicted, but thats a metal trap to acknowledge. People will omaticize the shit of of their traumas and depression but it's all a way for them to shift the blame. "Oh I want to improve, but I have all this trauma I gotta get rid of first". Depression is a HUGE cop-out for people.
Maybe the show did its main character a disservice by showing too much of him. Like he was always fated to be the frickup that he was, and he was incapable of getting better, while the message of the monkey was that everyone can get better, regardless.
well, and also a deer human hybrid, which is more what i was alluding to. i dont even give a frick, id have grabbed those furry haunches and went to town. absolutely pegging for it in that little hoop dress thing
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I love how when this show was still on all the comments on this video were horsegays shitting on family guy, but now that the show is over and the hype dissipated all the comments are shitting on bojak.
What "adult" comic doesn't suck?
I felt for BoJack because I'm depressed too but then movie went meta like "Noooo you can't like him, he's evil" yadda yadda.
Also I hate the fact that some problems seem impossible to deal with in one episode and may be a subject for a whole season and then they are magically solved in next episode for... some reason? Oh and Todd stops being a character after 2nd season or sth.
I really hate the modern writing trope of "We're gonna spend several seasons convincing you to like this guy and then admonish you at the end for liking him."
god yes. it's the worst. i have a lot of respect for david chase for admonishing fans for wanting to see tony shot at the end
> Also I hate the fact that some problems seem impossible to deal with in one episode and may be a subject for a whole season and then they are magically solved in next episode for... some reason?
Okay to give them some credit they got cancelled by Netflix for supporting the animators union and they had more seasons and stories in mind but had to condense it all into a two part season.
Oh no we got 6 shitty seasons instead of 7 shitty seasons
>still think they're meant to hate Bojack
>who is shown at the end of the show being a better person than when he started out
Zoomers were a mistake.
one thing I noticed is that despite bojack ostensibly being the main character, the majority of the dialog seems to come from completely uninteresting dumpy femoid side characters such as the one in OP pic
because she's the self insert
>the majority of the dialog seems to come from completely uninteresting dumpy femoid side characters
That's true in life too
NORMAL WORDS
It was too based for most people. The episode were the fish pop-star wrote a song about doing a drive-by on her fetus but then she wound up keeping the baby when her mommy instincts kicked in gave too many people whiplash. Show pulled shit like that two or three times a season.
Bojack himself wasn't cemented as a character until the observatory. I think that also turned a lot of people off. You really didn't know what kind of guy he was until that. Which was, several seasons in and all. Also yeah Todd's character assassination and Mr. Peanutbutter turning into a real human bean. I dunno. This show had so much going on.
>Bojack himself wasn't cemented as a character until the observatory.
I find this dumb bc they rewrite it in the last season with the not calling for help till late. Between that and making the Gina issue escapade with the drugs, and then making the big bd thing penny, they lost the thread of who he was more then the audience. And Todd was always ass
>it was based for most people
>goes on to list MUH FEELS and MUH CHARACTERS
Absolutely brutal. This is a cartoon with absolutely zero artistic and visual value. Where is the funny then? Christ almighty.
Not even to defend the show but fiction is supposed to be about feels and characters
It got really bad around season 5 and especially, apparently this was because the creator heard Weinstein liked the underwater episode and it broke his brain
I'd still do Slampig Diane.
How come Dianes weight loss was never mentioned or criticised or anything? She was sitting at home gaining tons of weight, and being obese is a horrible time yet the show treats it like nothing.
It was due to her anti-depressants. Unsure why the writers weren't more critical of it. They were pretty harsh with the amphetamine abuse as a comparison.
Simple. They're on SSRIs themselves and only are critical of prescription drugs they themselves aren't taking.
Now with the fake ADHD craze, they ironically probably ARE on amphetamines and regret writing negative things about them.
That's an easy assumption to make but given how nuanced other topics were handled I doubt it's that simple. Bias on the writers end was never something I felt very strongly. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt given the rest of the show, and say that maybe Diane turning into a ham planet was the trade off for a balanced life. Maybe they genuinely felt her being a butter golem was the happiest ending for her. Considering how several other characters end up, it seems fitting.
Could be wrong of course. Maybe it is simple shilling for a consumed product. But I don't feel it.
*clear throat of phlegm, bile, coke zero, diet coca-cola, coke residue, and your boyfriend's semen* Wrong.
>turning into a ham planet
>being a butter golem
my sides XD
underage, you have to go back
you first xir
>It was due to her anti-depressants.
it's the antipsychotics that tend to fatten people up
antidepressents/ssris can do it but its much less common
t. been on both, got the stretch marks
>dude mr peanutbutter would totally cheat because uhhhh he's a horrible person11!!!!!
That was the most moronic thing they did
>your golden retriever would play ball with another family if left alone to do so
>this DESTROYS anons happiness and sanity
it mr peanutbutter was a girl, you wouldve seen it coming from a mile away and called her flakey and bubbly from the beginning
Not at all, Mr Peanutbutter was always shown to be nice and well meaning, but blind to the subtleties of a relationship, which can result in arguments but never something like cheating
But Mr Peanutbutter is a hetero male in Bojack so he has to frick up
>This media is perfect because the main character is depressed and LITERALLY ME
Name a bigger red flag, immediately tells you the person discussing something is either underage or mentally disabled
omg bojack was so mean to todd
I mean todd leeched off him for years but uhhhh bojack did a bad thing one time
Ugly Americans was better
Satanic shit in media is always cringe and I'm an atheist.
>gives moronic opinion right before stating he is moronic
Huh...
for exactly one season. what the hell happened to that show? how did it fall off so hard?
The culture of millennial covert narcissism it embodied was dying and being replaced by zoomer crypto-puritanism while it was still airing. Media majors of the future will treated it as a fascinating artifact out of its own time, like the antikythera mechanism or Carlos Mencia
This is absurdly true lmao. Went from a nihilistic character study of a washed up narcissistic TV star in the first few seasons to a "critique" of Hollywood and problematic male celebrities in the second half.
Gave me whiplash at the time, but in retrospect it makes perfect sense. The cultural climate had shifted completely.
>normal words but a trust fund band
if you're seething about it, it doesn't
The whole seventeen minutes thing was some twitter copout bullshit right
Yes, and it was completely unnecessary. Bojack did a lot of objectively immoral things but none of them were monstrous, so they decided to retroactively make him a monster to justify the clumsy MeToo arc.
The Sarah Lynn shit is what did it, for me. Everything else was kind of whatever. The shit with Sarah Lynn was inexcusable. Especially after everything that had happened up until that point.
Like a stone in sand.
he had consenting sex with an adult OH NO
Never watched this, was the MC character assassinated?
Kind of. He's supposed to be a pretty bad guy throughout the series, but the idea was that he was building to some sort of redemption. And in the last season or two the writers did a complete 180 and gave him comeuppance in the form of a MeToo situation, ruined career, and lost friends. It was entirely unsatisfying.
Absolutely
The whole show is about following a pretty bad guy through his childhood, stardom, then adulthood, and while he fricks up majorly he genuinely changes and tries to make amends. But in the last season they completely destroyed him and any hope of redemption because I have no idea, twitter reasons I guess
The show couldn't decide whether it wanted to be dark comedy or serious drama, and it ended up being farcical. Bojack would go through serious character development only to get shat on for increasingly unbelievable reasons.
That wouldn't have been a satisfying ending but it would have at least been a sensible ending.
If you consider the mid-season finale the true ending and ignore that last scene where Hollyhock is talking to that guy it kind of works.
a girl I was seeing told me Diane was her - never watched the series, what did she mean?
>was
You dodged a nuclear bomb
she seemed fine, what's the character like
Jesus where to even start
Imagine the most obnoxious lefty twitter user who is also American but comes from a Vietnamese family
Now imagine she had her own TV show and everything she said was treated as morally correct
I hate Diane so fricking much bros
>didn't mention she fricks dogs literally
Also she fricks dogs literally. Didn't they even do a sound gag for when she took the knot? I remember that now....
could it be that she said another female character name? the girl herself didn't seem leftist, and was pureblood european
are there any other main girls in it, something a bit more cool
anon I...
I guess I'll never know.
she moved anyway
Asian Daria
Stoped watching when I realized that the whole meta of the show was that the writers just hate celebrities and tried to vent it through this show. The effort they put to make the MC the most unlikable creature to ever live and still hoped anyone would want to keep watching him. Plus the shameless USA liberal/leftist agenda they constantly parade through the whole show, and always with characters that are "mentally stable", I've never met a lefty that was marginally not bonkers.
How'd her fat ass even climb up there? That's why I laugh at fat positivity, b***h you'd be on the ground having this shitty conversation.
I agree. LA shitlib faux deep garbage. You’d have to be an autistic moron to enjoy this show
Perfect ending would be Bojack drowning in the pool
It would be perfect bitter-sweet ending because "ohh he was trying to turn his life around" and probably deserved better than that but on the other hand his shitty lifestyle caught up to him eventually
I dunno why writers didn't do it
Matthew Perry reserved it
I'm leaning more towards that theory that Bojack did die in the pool and the last episode is a strange fantasy/dream thing where no one is actually real, hence why the conclusion is so unsatisfying
the first time i watched it i didnt realize there was another episode because it just turned off or something. i thought it just ended on him drowning in the pool. honestly would have been a really strong choice and a better conclusion to the story overall. just a real kick to the nuts with no closure to tie things up. just like irl.
it's definitely kino bait for normies. my God I hate them. literally babbys first emotional piece is all it takes to have normies raving but anything actually emotionally intelligent leaves them scratching their head.
I'm so tired of modern society being perpetually stuck in junior high and now it's getting even worse, were regressing faster and faster. eventually the equivalent of baby shark will top the chart
I loved the first couple seasons when it aired. It became tougher to rewatch later because Bojack just complains so fricking much. After a while all you hear is will arnett's voice and it becomes grating.
It's fun though while it lasts. The visual puns and regular puns are fun. If you like that style of humor, Venture Brothers is probably one of the top cartoons ever made and it's full of them.
hollywood introspection always sucks
>sigh
>i just...want to be a good person...sigh...i want to feel good...
>it's really hard having tons of money and being loved...
>bojack abducted us and FORCED us to drink whiskey
>even though we were sneaking alcohol anyway and wanted to do it
this whole episode was moronic, no one would let BoJack anywhere near the prom
In like 5 seasons, there's about 6 episodes worth of good content.
The sheer amount of animated sitcom slop with unfunny bullshit and piss poor writing is overwhelming.
you have to chug a gallon of pure frothing boiling piss just to get to the actual flavour.
A good editing job could fix it and make it actually digestible, but honestly, I don't think anyone has it in them to give this show that kind of attention.
I watched it for Biel, didn't finish it
So many dark comedy shows get to about season 3 or 4 and forget that they're comedies; they get up their own ass about the IMPORTANCE OF MUH PLATFORM AND MESSAGE and the shit becomes completely impossible to watch.
Hated this, tried the first season out years ago when I still had netflix, what's the point of a comedy full of depressing fricks that you can't relate to at all?
What is a show/movie that explores similar themes that you guys think is good?
I thought it was good but I haven't seen too much media admittedly. Every time bojack comes up here people say it's "up its own ass" or that it's "too reddit/twitter" I just wanna know what you guys think does it better?
My depression kino
>Donnie Darko
>The Royal Tenenbaums
>Little Miss Sunshine
>The Grapes of Wrath
>The Wild Hunt
>House MD + Scrubs = Manic Depression
>No Country for Old Men
>Pink Floyd: The Wall
>Futurama
Agreed. I liked the first season because it felt like it was just trying to be funny, but every season after that was so weird or depressing.
>my trauma
>my depression
>my drugs
millennial narcissistic trash. never met anyone who liked this who wasn't a c**t.
It was decent for a while when it seemed like the characters would learn and grow out of their flaws but instead it just became doomer shit.
yeah
I think more than it all being bad the issue was it said pretty much everything it had to say in 2 seasons.
It showed him being a mess for 2 seasons, then ended on the "every day" bit with the monkey. That was the end. 2 seasons of circular self analyzing and dramatic false starts and self sabotage and butthole behaviour, then the actual reality that if you're ever going to improve it will be through undramatic, unromantic, consistent adherence to difficult new standards, and you'll either do it or you won't.
The show never made any substantial point after this except to show that sometimes people don't improve and they just remain bad and feel bad until they die. But that wasn't worth spoiling the thematic completeness of the first 2 seasons, because that was implicit in the first 2 seasons. Everyone knew that could happen, because the premise of the first 2 seasons was trying to avoid it.
>It showed him being a mess for 2 seasons, then ended on the "every day" bit with the monkey. That was the end. 2 seasons of circular self analyzing and dramatic false starts and self sabotage and butthole behaviour, then the actual reality that if you're ever going to improve it will be through undramatic, unromantic, consistent adherence to difficult new standards, and you'll either do it or you won't.
Thats a good post. I related a lot to Bojack because it seemed like his problems were mostly self inflicted, but thats a metal trap to acknowledge. People will omaticize the shit of of their traumas and depression but it's all a way for them to shift the blame. "Oh I want to improve, but I have all this trauma I gotta get rid of first". Depression is a HUGE cop-out for people.
Maybe the show did its main character a disservice by showing too much of him. Like he was always fated to be the frickup that he was, and he was incapable of getting better, while the message of the monkey was that everyone can get better, regardless.
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It's good, but it takes itself way too seriously, and its progressive and moralizing of course.
What do we call the snarky female self-insert shaming and finger wagging trope? It's so fricking insufferable yet so prevalent.
it was almost pretty good but way too much lefty homosexual shit
>here's a team of white men in bowties
Is a legitimate line
be honest. youd have fricked penny in his situation right?
SHE WAS ONLY 19 AND SOBER AND CONSENTING YOU SICK FRICK
well, and also a deer human hybrid, which is more what i was alluding to. i dont even give a frick, id have grabbed those furry haunches and went to town. absolutely pegging for it in that little hoop dress thing