I loved it but also hated Aang and Katara. I wish Zuko had been the MC. Or ever Sokka. Normie tries to be the hero in a world of benders could have been fun.
It was a fun show to watch and be like "oh ok, that was cool I guess" but all these bozos making essays about the universe are cringe. At least porn of Zuko's mom came from it
>but all these bozos making essays about the universe are cringe.
The entire universe doesnt feel like its worth exploring. Like its not a setting, it existed for the story of ATLA. Once the Avatar saved the world, thats kinda the whole story. You cant make another story about an avatar that wont be a retread. ATLA already had such high stakes everything after feels like a downgrade. Like it doesnt have "replay value" or something
Aang as a Muslim would change his character considerably. For one he would much more on board with killing Ozai. And he would eat as much meat as he could. I dont think Zuko would change at all if he were some european prince. Toph is already chinese. And Katara and Sokka are already darkskinned
Europeans are humans descended from a mixture of west asian and levantine homosexual sapiens with minor contributions by peninsular neanderthals, and water tribe are cartoon drawings.
>The entire universe doesnt feel like its worth exploring.
You managed to out yourself as a moron in one phrase. Nice. >Like its not a setting, it existed for the story of ATLA. Once the Avatar saved the world, thats kinda the whole story. You cant make another story about an avatar that wont be a retread.
And again.
>but all these bozos making essays about the universe are cringe.
This is most things. Even the bible. It's all cringe when you get to that level of autism. Congratulations on figuring that out. Did your balls drop this week? Frontal lobe reach maturity?
No one cares. Everyone knows the current YouTube culture everything getting a 2 hour exploratory video is cringe.
The ultimate beat-by-beat story itself was not terribly original- evil world conqueror, chosen hero, spunky friendship adventuring party, prophecy to defeat him and bring balance- but it gets remembered fondly because it was a simple idea executed fairly well all-in-all. There are minor plot points the plot sometimes finds itself painted into due to the children's show-level rating it had to aspire to- there's no reason for the Fire Nation to keep prisoners if they have no political leverage and are planning on brutalizing other nations into submission, there's no reason Admiral Zhao shouldn't have killed Aang when he had the chance, etc.- but on the whole? It knew what it wanted to be, it stuck to its guns, and it paced and executed itself well.
Compare that to Samurai Jack, which had a more interesting concept but kept itself as an episodic format for all but its last season and tried to cram an entire plot into ten episodes, or Legend of Whorra, who never even tried to consider a long-form overarching plot and was forced to string its season plots together like a child's necklace.
A:tla gets its praise for a reason. That steak may not have seasoning, but damn if it wasn't cooked properly.
Avatar is remembered fondly because it is baby's first fight anime with most of the fighting removed, making it safe for 5 year olds. It also had some cute teens for 13 year old girls to ship with each other and some vague but pleasing women designs that are easily aged up 5 years and turned into porn
Give it time and they'll make something similar and then in 10 years those kids who watches that show will be making 2 hour videos about the plot.
i've come to a realization that my writing concept philosophy is what Avatar had done, essentially have an ending in mind and basically make the journey to getting there.
You'd watched it and thought it was awesome. You sound like those stupid buttholes that said they'd stopped slavery because you know slavery today is bad.
Not sure why it would bother you with Reboot, the dated CG graphics actually make perfect sense with what the show is about and even works in its favor when they get caught old computer games.
It was incredibly sincere in that it captured innocence quite well. You have to understand the entire show is from the perspective of children. The fire lord is one of the only evil men you see in the show, because he's a grown man. Azula/Zuko very clearly came across as immature and misguided, seeking their purpose in the role they were born into. When the adults of the show interact with one another, the vibe is much different vs when the children interact, with characters like Iroh bridging the gap between the two worlds.
>Sokka would have been a better MC than Aang.
No he wouldn't. Katara would but not Sokka, Sokka doesn't a character arc.
Hell he doesn't even much of a character, people project more of an idealized non-bender character.
He started out a weak boy trying to be a warrior and ended up a master swordsman and respected warrior.
Aang started as the peace loving chosen one who mastered 1 element and ended as the peace loving chosen one who mastered 4 elements.
All cartoons are mid. This one just ekes above that by the fact that it actually ended on a complete note and had actual character arcs. Like it had ambitions of a story and a world and actually lived up to them.
Tons of cartoons tried to follow in it's footsteps. Young Justice, Korra, that new Thunder Cats, Owl House, Dragon prince etc etc. Which one of those actually finished in a satisfying/encompassing fashion? Which ones had character arcs at all never mind complete ones.
I feel like Avatar is average, it's just that it sits above it's later counterparts because it meets the bare minimum requirements for the most basic aspects of writing. Which that in of itself is okay too because it's a show for children.
Nah, Avatar is pretty well written, I think. All of the main characters are legitimately compelling, dimensional, and believable characters (except ozai). The head writer of it was a guy called Aaron Ehasz and had this character quota that made determined whether or not a character was good. He said that the main priorities for characters to be good was that they had to be compelling, fascinating, dimensional, and believable. I think that's a pretty good way to figure out character writing and a lot of the characters in ATLA are exactly those things. I can't really think of many characters as great as the main ones in ATLA, not even in anime, really. Ehh, maybe its just because I dont watch much of it but you still get what im saying, right? I just think ATLA is leagues above, not even western cartoons, but most animated shows as a whole
I think atla is ok but the writing is vastly overrated because most people don't actually engage with literature and film and therefore have no standards > compelling, fascinating, dimensional, and believable
Even regarding this, yes some characters manage to achieve this in atla but there are others that are the typical character you could find in any children show and the writers are handling the trope in a pretty generic way. Also you can find "believable and mature" characters in quite the number of animated series like KoTH for example. I mostly prefer animated movies and there you have Ratatouille and Incredibles for the west and only yesterday and Patlabor for the east. Broaden your horizons and you will see that atla while good is not the end to all animation. > I just think ATLA is leagues above, not even western cartoons, but most animated shows as a whole
Also this says nothing, considering that the average animated show is something for toddlers.
Yeah, you're right on both points. It's just that I think there's a lot of potential for incredibly good storytelling in animation specifically. Hardly anyone seems to capitalize on the medium to tell a good story and I think that's why ATLA is so loved. The average show is for toddlers mostly because most people think animation isn't a medium worth taking seriously and that just frustrates me. The bar is just so low nowadays that any show that has some coherent story and adequate characters is seen as something bigger than it really is
your mom
The girls make my peepee into the big peepee though
they're literally children???
out of 10
out of 10
I loved it but also hated Aang and Katara. I wish Zuko had been the MC. Or ever Sokka. Normie tries to be the hero in a world of benders could have been fun.
I personally enjoyed the show when I was a child. And if I liked it, then it is objectively good.
Yeah it might have been better if Aang wasn't the protagonist. And Katara was an annoying b***h sometimes
It was a fun show to watch and be like "oh ok, that was cool I guess" but all these bozos making essays about the universe are cringe.
At least porn of Zuko's mom came from it
>but all these bozos making essays about the universe are cringe.
The entire universe doesnt feel like its worth exploring. Like its not a setting, it existed for the story of ATLA. Once the Avatar saved the world, thats kinda the whole story. You cant make another story about an avatar that wont be a retread. ATLA already had such high stakes everything after feels like a downgrade. Like it doesnt have "replay value" or something
it has potential for a race war focused remake
Aang as a Muslim would change his character considerably. For one he would much more on board with killing Ozai. And he would eat as much meat as he could. I dont think Zuko would change at all if he were some european prince. Toph is already chinese. And Katara and Sokka are already darkskinned
False, water tribe are Europeans
please take your meds
Refute him
Europeans are humans descended from a mixture of west asian and levantine homosexual sapiens with minor contributions by peninsular neanderthals, and water tribe are cartoon drawings.
Holy shit, Europeans are Chinks.
>the setting existed for the story, not for endless retreads
>this is a bad thing
Its not a bad thing actually. Its only a bad thing if you want to make a new story in the same universe.
>The entire universe doesnt feel like its worth exploring.
You managed to out yourself as a moron in one phrase. Nice.
>Like its not a setting, it existed for the story of ATLA. Once the Avatar saved the world, thats kinda the whole story. You cant make another story about an avatar that wont be a retread.
And again.
NTA but genuinely interested in what else you feel is worth exploring, either known things or things you came up with yourself
>but all these bozos making essays about the universe are cringe.
This is most things. Even the bible. It's all cringe when you get to that level of autism. Congratulations on figuring that out. Did your balls drop this week? Frontal lobe reach maturity?
No one cares. Everyone knows the current YouTube culture everything getting a 2 hour exploratory video is cringe.
The ultimate beat-by-beat story itself was not terribly original- evil world conqueror, chosen hero, spunky friendship adventuring party, prophecy to defeat him and bring balance- but it gets remembered fondly because it was a simple idea executed fairly well all-in-all. There are minor plot points the plot sometimes finds itself painted into due to the children's show-level rating it had to aspire to- there's no reason for the Fire Nation to keep prisoners if they have no political leverage and are planning on brutalizing other nations into submission, there's no reason Admiral Zhao shouldn't have killed Aang when he had the chance, etc.- but on the whole? It knew what it wanted to be, it stuck to its guns, and it paced and executed itself well.
Compare that to Samurai Jack, which had a more interesting concept but kept itself as an episodic format for all but its last season and tried to cram an entire plot into ten episodes, or Legend of Whorra, who never even tried to consider a long-form overarching plot and was forced to string its season plots together like a child's necklace.
A:tla gets its praise for a reason. That steak may not have seasoning, but damn if it wasn't cooked properly.
Avatar is remembered fondly because it is baby's first fight anime with most of the fighting removed, making it safe for 5 year olds. It also had some cute teens for 13 year old girls to ship with each other and some vague but pleasing women designs that are easily aged up 5 years and turned into porn
Give it time and they'll make something similar and then in 10 years those kids who watches that show will be making 2 hour videos about the plot.
>anime
i've come to a realization that my writing concept philosophy is what Avatar had done, essentially have an ending in mind and basically make the journey to getting there.
revolutionary
imagine getting filtered by aang
Lol, i don't like to use this word since it's so easily used to excuse garbage, but this is just contrarianism.
Name a better western show.
Reboot.
homie, what the frick is this?
>it has more than 1 season
People praise this and TF Beast Wars but the cgi is vile I cannot watch this, I doubt I would have watched this as a child
I watched it as a child and I can barely remember it.
You'd watched it and thought it was awesome. You sound like those stupid buttholes that said they'd stopped slavery because you know slavery today is bad.
Quite the opposite I think Id be a slave trader and slave raider myself but okay go ahead and make assumptions about random strangers on the internet.
Not sure why it would bother you with Reboot, the dated CG graphics actually make perfect sense with what the show is about and even works in its favor when they get caught old computer games.
>tries desperately to be anime
>is mid
What a shocker
>mid
frick off zoomer
You saw that tweet too?
https://twitter.com/guymrdth/status/1670598254810001408
It was incredibly sincere in that it captured innocence quite well. You have to understand the entire show is from the perspective of children. The fire lord is one of the only evil men you see in the show, because he's a grown man. Azula/Zuko very clearly came across as immature and misguided, seeking their purpose in the role they were born into. When the adults of the show interact with one another, the vibe is much different vs when the children interact, with characters like Iroh bridging the gap between the two worlds.
>giving up the bait with the image
it's an advanced move but I wouldn't recommend it in neutral
>This show was mid as frick
So? It's a nick toon
Sokka would have been a better MC than Aang.
Non-benders fighting benders was always better.
>Sokka would have been a better MC than Aang.
No he wouldn't. Katara would but not Sokka, Sokka doesn't a character arc.
Hell he doesn't even much of a character, people project more of an idealized non-bender character.
He started out a weak boy trying to be a warrior and ended up a master swordsman and respected warrior.
Aang started as the peace loving chosen one who mastered 1 element and ended as the peace loving chosen one who mastered 4 elements.
That just shows how weak Aang's character was. If anyone should be the protagonist it's Katara.
Katara is already the protagonist in Sokka's bedroom
You don't need to have a character arc to be a main character.
All cartoons are mid. This one just ekes above that by the fact that it actually ended on a complete note and had actual character arcs. Like it had ambitions of a story and a world and actually lived up to them.
Tons of cartoons tried to follow in it's footsteps. Young Justice, Korra, that new Thunder Cats, Owl House, Dragon prince etc etc. Which one of those actually finished in a satisfying/encompassing fashion? Which ones had character arcs at all never mind complete ones.
I feel like Avatar is average, it's just that it sits above it's later counterparts because it meets the bare minimum requirements for the most basic aspects of writing. Which that in of itself is okay too because it's a show for children.
Nah, Avatar is pretty well written, I think. All of the main characters are legitimately compelling, dimensional, and believable characters (except ozai). The head writer of it was a guy called Aaron Ehasz and had this character quota that made determined whether or not a character was good. He said that the main priorities for characters to be good was that they had to be compelling, fascinating, dimensional, and believable. I think that's a pretty good way to figure out character writing and a lot of the characters in ATLA are exactly those things. I can't really think of many characters as great as the main ones in ATLA, not even in anime, really. Ehh, maybe its just because I dont watch much of it but you still get what im saying, right? I just think ATLA is leagues above, not even western cartoons, but most animated shows as a whole
I think atla is ok but the writing is vastly overrated because most people don't actually engage with literature and film and therefore have no standards
> compelling, fascinating, dimensional, and believable
Even regarding this, yes some characters manage to achieve this in atla but there are others that are the typical character you could find in any children show and the writers are handling the trope in a pretty generic way. Also you can find "believable and mature" characters in quite the number of animated series like KoTH for example. I mostly prefer animated movies and there you have Ratatouille and Incredibles for the west and only yesterday and Patlabor for the east. Broaden your horizons and you will see that atla while good is not the end to all animation.
> I just think ATLA is leagues above, not even western cartoons, but most animated shows as a whole
Also this says nothing, considering that the average animated show is something for toddlers.
Yeah, you're right on both points. It's just that I think there's a lot of potential for incredibly good storytelling in animation specifically. Hardly anyone seems to capitalize on the medium to tell a good story and I think that's why ATLA is so loved. The average show is for toddlers mostly because most people think animation isn't a medium worth taking seriously and that just frustrates me. The bar is just so low nowadays that any show that has some coherent story and adequate characters is seen as something bigger than it really is
Amphibia had better character arcs than Avashart
I can concede that, as long as you understand that Korra is indisputably garbage.
Facts dead ass no cap, ATLA simps going off at u r mad cringe senpai
I think its great but I call it mid to piss off people
I think it's great but I piss on people who call it mid
Your birth was mid as frick.
if that's what you call mid then name one cartoon that's poggers