This the reviews are awful and the box office projections are saying it will be a massive bomb…what sequels will Pixar whip up to make money back? Another Toy Story? Incredibles 3?
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This the reviews are awful and the box office projections are saying it will be a massive bombwhat sequels will Pixar whip up to make money back?
A Bug’s Life is the oldest movie they haven’t made a sequel to.
Pixar teased a sequel for that in the credits blooper reel of Toy Story 2.
And that was damn near 25 years ago. It was likely forgotten.
It was a bait and switch joke. The joke is that the sequel was actually for Toy Story.
I know, but it had me for five seconds twenty years ago.
Without John Lasseter and the old crew it would be soulless. Most of them went to Skydance.
So far, the best movies Pixar has recently released are very personal stories set in a particular time and place with just a dash of magic. The more personal with extinct flavor, the better.
Most of them unironically died or retired.
Who’s working at Skydance besides John? I wouldn’t call Brad Bird a full time employee. Rich Moore from WDAS. Anybody else?
>Incredibles 3
God I hope so and I want Violet to fill out
Kino animation at it's finest
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Pixarkeks are running out of copium
They always have been. It was always shit.
Is this even supposed to be a children's film?
I'm still hoping that it is actually "okay" and the critics are just nitpicky, like Cannes tends to be.
Animated films have been well received many times at Cannes before, including several Pixar films. I get holding onto hope of you want the movie to be good. It is a single screening, but the people that posted reviews are the same critics that would review it normally.
Toy Story 5 is already in pre production.
What story can they actually come up with? Woody and Buzz have been separated and no one will come to watch a movie where half of the iconic duo is missing. And if they were to reunite them, it'd 100% pull the most contrived reason and they'd just undermine the conclusion of TS4 as an indirect admission to fricking up. I refuse to believe current Pixar has any good idea.
I would totally reunite Woody with the toys and fully admit Toy Story 4 was a mistake. Same with Ralph 2 and Frozen II.
>andy, now a 35 year old incel manchild, longing for his childhood days, attempts to find and buy back all of his childhood toys
I... would be completely okay with this.
>Andy becomes Al
Joker origin story
This is what I essentially have in mind. Buzz would be more of the protagonist than Woody in this story and it would basically be a "getting the band back together" adventure.
Woody and Buzz fight The Rock.
Name 1 good Skydance film.
They need to make something with a bit more bite to it like the first incredibles.
Everyone talks about the beginning to Up being the only good part of Up(disagree) but Pixar has been chasing that high point ever since and it’s ruined them. Their movies have become way too sappy
Honestly pull the bandaid off Disney and let them do something pg13
I’d kill for an adult animation that isn’t swears and sex jokes
>They need to make something with a bit more bite to it like the first incredibles.
Not just that, Pixar needs to start making dialogue worth a damn. Some of the best parts of The Incredibles were the scenes where the characters basically just talk. Helen dealing with Dash's teacher, Bob trying and failing to keep his composure around his boss, Bob and Helen arguing, etc. Pixar's biggest strength around that time was just hard they nailed character interactions.
Meanwhile the past few films all lack that and suffer immensely for it. I can't remember a single line from any of these recent films, with the one exception being that "Uncrush" argument from The Incredibles 2.
>They need to make something with a bit more bite to it like the first incredibles
Agreed
People forget Joss Whedon worked on Toy Story 1
>Chick has no breasts
Not interested.
I just wanna frick the fire girl.
>t.
>average Elemental enjoyer
Pixar ran out of ideas after Inside Out, with Coco being the only decent thing they've made in 8 years since. Hell, you could be less generous and say their real last hit was Toy Story 3, in fricking 2010.
Pixar is a thing of the past now.
TS3 wasn’t that good either and was largely carried by that one scene that made all the nostalgia millenoids cry.
Pixar hasn't made a good movie since Toy Story 2. It's always been a relic of a bygone era.
Let Pixar die and have another, better studio rise from its ashes.
John Lasseter is already running that one.
Skydance Animation is garbage bro. Luck wasn't good. Spellbound doesn't look any better.
I have slight hope for Ray Gunn, but that's it.
Why did Pixar fire him?
#MeToo
He was too friendly and liked to hug people. He hugged everyone he liked and everyone he knew. One new female employee got hugged as a part of their welcome to Pixar and she got him fired because she felt uncomfortable.
Lasseter being a sex pest, outside of being an incredibly open secret (including Luke before he deleted that tweet.), got leaked onto Cinemaphile a little bit before his expose. That's not even accounting for the tumblr account run by a Pixar employee that basically detailed his failings all the way back in 2011.
Pretty much every project he worked on had someone else doing the heavy lifting or accounting for his own failings; the times that didn't we get nuclear wasteland productions like Brave/The Good Dinosaur or Cars 2. Elemental doesn't fit into this iroincally but the studio employees that aren't part of his inner circle of silicon valley dads can actually bother doing something else besides buddy comedy road trips now. His ousting is nothing but good in the long-term.
I remember that tumblr page. Weird how at the time I just took it as some butthurt employee who hated his boss, but now it all makes sense. I know Cinemaphile anons hate people who play devil’s advocate when they’re trying to win arguments. Lasseter needed to face his actions in some way because it was hurting the company, but I don’t like how it was handled. He’s probably on the lowest totem poll rung in terms of Hollywood sexual harassment scandals, having no alleged assaults or accounts of sexscapades. I look at how so many people higher than him were willing to excuse some alcoholic running around the studio and shielding him from criticism within the company, to the extent directors are being shoved off projects that are going well just because an inebriated John doesn’t agree creatively. In terms of recovery stories, he has a lot of the old guard defending him in subtle ways and the new studio gave him a trial period where he was under strict supervision. I believe his attempt at recovery is honest and he realizes how badly he fricked up and hurt other people. It’s different from a Weinstein situation.
But even if his leave got rid of one problem at Pixar, it created new problems. The original, biggest issue of not developing any new talent was never addressed, so now you’re left with a bunch of people incapable of making films that live up to the original standards. New Pixar is bad because half the people who work there aren’t allowed to make anything unconventional and half the people never had interesting stories to tell in the first place. It’s a different problem devoid of Lasseter entirely.
The big reason for the decline is the execs/culture becoming more corporate (Lasseter might be partially responsible for this.), talent leaving, and the remaining talent being too split up on too many movies. That's what I've heard from my research.
Yeah, I’d agree with these. Rewatching the old shorts made me reappreciate Lasseter’s ingenuity and storytelling methods. He really took technology made for CES demos invented the medium out of nothing. Knick Knack’s appropriation of 2D cartoon aesthetics is what all animation studios are doing today, 30 years ahead of its time.
But you know, he sold out and stopped caring about other people. Sad, but it happens in corporate culture. If anything, dramatic decline in the studio highlights how truly one in a million those initial creatives were. Whatever they had going resulted in some of the best animated movies ever made, and can’t be repeated just by hiring random talent. I mean
is talking about dialogue, which I agree, but that’s an Oscar-nominated screenplay. You can’t manufacture that sort of Spongebob season 1-3 magic.
If we’re lucky Pixar may let somebody in the right place at the right time make a great movie again, but they’ll never have a golden streak like they once did. It actually is over.
It was over before it even started.
Pretty much agree with
The studio’s previous effort was Planet 51, which I think is one of the worst recent CG movies. Luck did not rise above the ranks of Walmart shovelware no matter how many Lasseter apologists said otherwise. Lasseter was still working at Pixar during their fall from grace and is responsible for all the Cars spin-offs. He’s a genius with an unfortunate recent history, but I believe he is committed to professionalism now. It just hasn’t resulted in anything worth watching yet. Maybe the Brad Bird movie if that stays in production.
Planet 51 had potential to be funny & clever but it failed hard.
>and is responsible for all the Cars spin-offs.
Those probably were demanded by Disney to sell merchandise, which Cars was successful in doing
This board says this about everything. They never explain how or what will "rise from the ashes".
Honestly this film would probably do ok if they kept it's budget in check. but 200 million used on a new IP with such a bare bones and basic premise? I'm not sure if they were expecting their brand to carry them through or what but it seems like a real mis-step.
Pixar has created stories with very basic premises, that have been successful. I mean look at WALL-E or Ratatouille. The best part of a lot of Pixar movies, is the its' presentation. Taking a simple idea and elevating it with great visual storytelling is a skill and it seems like Pixar has lost that skill. Whether this is due to a loss of talent, corporate demands, or current mainstream culture no one can say for certain but it is sad to see.
Historically Ratatouille even had some clickbait articles because it ONLY made $47 million it’s first weekend. Of course it ended up being very successful throughout the summer, which I doubt Elemental will accomplish.
It's a genuine sign of concern that they were able to say the fire characters were inspired by Ghibli's art style but they are seemingly completely incapable of taking lessons in story telling which is what always made Ghibli films great. It will be ironic when this film is what finally exposes how fricking rusty and played out Pixar's narrative format has become and that they need to do something else if they want to become successful again, they have relied on aesthetics (AKA flashy colours that keep toddlers looking at the screen) for too long.
If they didn't realize this with The Incredibles, they won’t realize it ever.
Incredibles 2 made money though.
incredibles 2 was good though.
It was okay at best. The villain was very very very weak.
>they were able to say the fire characters were inspired by Ghibli's art style
I thought it was obvious from the design, but I guess it’s nice to get the 1mL of dopamine for confirming this. Howl Moving Castle’s Calico is like the most Hot Topic deviantart character to rip-off. I recoiled the very first time I saw her design and connected the dots.
It's really not subtle and incredibly derivative.
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>Have the a movie about the living embodiments of the elements
>Have it be a generic love story
Why? Why of all the things to do with this premise they went with the least interesting one?
Yeah, that and the designs of the characters and world are entirely uninspired too. It literally looks like less interesting Inside Out which was already kind of a less interesting Monster's Inc.
>he made the same post again
ok anon, what are your suggestions for a better direction for the premise? Seems to me like the romance plot isn’t the issue, since the focus of the movie is actually your typical generational trauma and racial division cliches.
>Muh generational trauma
How many times have we had that already?
The problem is that the race allegory of the movie falls completely since it's barely ever relevant. Elements are not supposed to mix in this world, and yet we see them hanging out together all the time.
You could make it so that Element City is strictly segregated in 4 districts, one for each element, and any person who is in the wrong district gets punished or persecuted. That way it would add an actual conflict in the story
I don't see how this movie is in any way superior to The Sea Prince and the Fire Child. That movie was both abstract and consequential. The love story was very sweet.
>Peter Sohn thought releasing this would be his redemption arc after Good Dinosaur
He either needs demoted or shown the door. This is too generic to spend over a hundred million dollars on.
He most likely already got demoted. Have you seen The Good Dinosaur
I doubt it. Seems like the only direction people can fail in the industry now is up. Disney hasn't dumped Kathleen Kennedy or Jennifer Lee.