This was peak Fincher wtf didn't people like it?

This was peak Fincher wtf didn't people like it?

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  1. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >The Knller
    What did Fincher mean by this?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's an I on the side
      Because it has been shot

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        There's no wound on the supposed "i," there's only a bullet hole above it from which blood is mysteriously pouring. Comparing the size of the bullet hole to the size of the "i," if that bullet had hit the "i" it would have been obliterated and not laying down fully intact. The bullet hole is therefore unrelated and it must not be an "i" at all, but instead morse code.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      -. .. --. --. . .-.

  2. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Budget schlock.

  3. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Peak Fincher aesthetic, not peak Fincher storytelling. I enjoyed it, although I had several issues with the screeplay

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      It didn't go anywhere, didn't say anything
      Passable entertainment

      It's filled with subtext.
      Thematically it fits perfectly into Fincher filmography.
      If this movie as nothing to say, then neither TSN or Zodiac

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Zodiac was also kind of bad
        The Social Network was bolstered by a terrific screenplay

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Zodiac was also kind of bad
          Stop watching movies entirely

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Maybe you should watch more film, actually

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              Maybe you should work on actually understanding the films you do watch rather than filling some arbitrary quota that you think makes you a film buff

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Why are the homies who populate these threads so sensitive lol.
                What are you presuming I "didn't get" now? How was I "filtered" by Zodiac?

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                You don't have to hurt my feelings for me to think you're an idiot, anon.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Sure there's subtext, but every movie has subtext. That's a poor excuse for a screenplay that felt like a first draft. Zodiac wasn't very good either, and suffered from many of the same symptoms this movie did.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Subtext does not make a film automatically good

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          I did not say that. I meant that it relies on it more than dialogue and it's not inherently a bad thing. Kinda like old movies.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        >it’s what the didn’t write or put in the movie that makes it good!

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Fincher storytelling.
      what are some movies that fincher has writtem himself? name 5

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        1. Toy story 2
        2. Toy story 1
        3. Troya
        4. Dog Soldiers
        5. Stargate SG1

  4. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    It didn't go anywhere, didn't say anything
    Passable entertainment

  5. 5 months ago
    theonekiller killedme

    Audiences couldn't read the existential subtext or see the humor(He goes on about the code of no attachments and gets attached everytime, eg: He breaks her neck to look like an accident)

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      This anon gets it. In the first twenty minutes he goes on for several minutes about what a perfect emotionless killer he is and then he immediately fricks up a job and gets angry about harm coming to a girlfriend he hadn't mentioned up to that point. Anyone who thinks this is "poor storytelling", you must be some kind of idiot. It's deliberate.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Can you explain to me why any of that is interesting? What if I got that entirely but just didn't find it interesting?
        His character is flat as fricking cardboard.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Pray tell anon, what do you find interesting?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            I like movies that make me feel something. This made me feel nothing. I didn't like the killer, I didn't dislike him either. I didn't like nor dislike any of his victims, with the exception of the always enjoyable Tilda Swinton. I didn't care about his love interest.

            I think the biggest problem I had about the film is that I felt it didn't have any capacity to surprise. Whether the plot chugged on as expected or had some sort of twist didn't seem important to me. What else can I say? The plot didn't thrill me.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              If you have to be supplied characters to root for as well as characters to root against in order to be sufficiently motivated to engage with a film, you are exactly the kind of person I'm talking about when I describe someone who has been groomed by Spielberg to expect that a film asks absolutely nothing of you as a viewer.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Anon if none of the characters in a film are compelling that is not the mark of a good film.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              >I didn't care about his love interest.

              Lol, you got the impression you were supposed to? And there are no actual villains in the movie, at least compared to him, they all deserved to die and so did he. The difference was just skill and luck, no morals played any part in this movies plot. Which was kinda the point. It's a nihilistic action movie.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes, her getting her ass kicked is literally his motivation in the film, what the frick man

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Don't bother arguing with him. He's the kind of poster who thinks he has a 180IQ because he understood on the 3rd viewing og Inception that the time dilation is exponential.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Lol, the chick he never even told he loved? The one he didn't bother to call? Never crosses his mind before or after he talked to her? You think she was ultimately the reason he killed the cab driver?

                I think people just wanted this movie so much to be John Wick 5 they can't accept the idea that it isn't.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                I don't get it, are you agreeing with me?

                The chick was pretty important to the plot. But I didn't care about her. His entire motivation for his spree and also his return didn't mean anything to me. Do you get why that's kind of a problem?

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                I thought this was a lame reason too first watch. On a second watch it seems he was more personally offended they came after him. He’s clearly a sociopath and sees her as part of himself. Notice he doesn’t really even try to comfort her he just tells he this won’t happen again and leaves to kill people.

                Hence the whole mantras he’s deliberately violating like only fight the battles you’re paid to fight. He’s doing all this on his own dime for satisfaction and so he doesn’t even have to move house.

                I think the whole point of the movie is that despite his claim about being the many, he’s far detached from society and cannot really stop.

                The fact the last shot we see of him, retired, sunbathing with his wife/gf. And an up close shot of his eye twitching. Definitely implies he can’t maintain living the normie life and will return to killing even though he clearly doesnt need the money any more. He’s the Killer. He needs to kill. His rules are probably just as much to keep him being an assassin for hire rather than a serial killler.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          It wasn't particularly interesting. My issue was that the film didn't know what it was doing. Whether it was a character piece, satire, mood film, revenge flick so it tried to do a little of everything and did nothing particularly well.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            My sentiments exactly, anon.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Well this just shows that you got filtered. The film knew exactly what it was going for.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          He literally goes on in the first three minutes how a) being an assassin is really boring and b) he’s just an ordinary guy with a very strict routine. The fact you got filtered that easy when it’s all laid out that he’s supposed to be a cardboard cutout and Fassbinder does an excellent job in portraying that. Sorry there weren’t anime kawaii girls in unicorn outfits to keep your autistic mind occupied anon. Maybe go watch Wish instead huh?

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            >he's dull but he's SUPPOSED to be dull. if you found it dull you're wrong

  6. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Was Fincher trying to create a "literally me" character with this?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Basically, yeah. The way that after ruining a job he kills everyone around him but ultimately leaves the person responsible for it all in the first place alone which I suspect is supposed to be some meta commentary about making failed movies. Is this super deep and interesting? No. It's a pretty movie but not really the most compelling watch. I'd call it a flick ultimately

  7. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I loved it. I'm planning on reading the comic it's based on now

  8. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    It doesn't hold your hand or tell you how to feel. Of course people on this board hated it.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >film provokes lukewarm feelings
      >i-it's mature! It doesn't tell you how to feel!
      Good films show, don't tell. The K_.ller does neither. Bravo!

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        It does both, actually. It provokes lukewarm feelings in *you* because you're so used to being spoonfed by hyper-accessible Spielbergian fare that your brain has turned to jello

        tl;dr it's you, not the film

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Like why can't fans of this film just accept people have fine reasons for not liking it.
          There's thing to enjoy about the film but don't tell me I'm boring becuase I thought the screenplay wasnt that great, lol.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'm entitled to my opinion just as you are entitled to yours. It is my opinion that you didn't like the screenplay because it went over your head.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              That's hilarious. How do you figure?

  9. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    fincher is a hack and he always was

  10. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    frick you homosexual stop watching the Critical Drinker and develop your own opinions

  11. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Now that Fincher adapts random shit into Netlix content, I want a Andy and Leyley movie made by him.
    He'd be perfect for it.

  12. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    i really liked the 20+ product placements and 40 minute long nihilistic teenager monologue

    i also liked the attempts at realistic elements like when he stomps on a cell phone to let everyone know he doesnt use the same cell phone twice

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >40 minute long nihilistic teenager monologue
      It's almost like the point was to portray him as a lunatic instead of a super-spy-master-assassin.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        He didn't really sound like a lunatic either. He sounded low IQ

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          This. Those who say 'it was to make him sound crazy!' are coping. Nothing in those opening monologues made him sound crazy, or portrayed him as crazy. If it were leaning any way, it made him sound pretty tame and normal

          >Listens to a popular music band
          >See's his job through a very narrow and robotic lens
          >Does yoga, breathing and meditation, all pretty standard, even normie-tier excersizes and 'health conscious' behaviours.
          >is also health conscious regarding his diet, elminates carbs when he eats the McMuffin without the english muffin, thinks of nutritional content when describing proteins (14 grams)

          and then later

          >has a love interest who, when hurt, he uses to justify the ensuing murders that make up the remainder of the movie after the first assassination attempt

          Sure, killing people is crazy, something a 'crazy' person would do. But none of his other behaviour screams 'crazy' to me. It was just poorly written, the whole thing.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        ok, even then. so what? it's a movie about a dumb character with a really lame hitman plot. compelling stuff

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Look he uses Starbucks coffee because instead of focusing on him you’ll see the product placement instead. Absolute operator kino that’s based. You were filtered obviously because you brought it up.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        the plot is so shallow and slow its hard to not notice all the product placement. they literally show an amazon shopping ui multiple times for no reason lmfao

        its such a bad movie its unreal

  13. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    a bellow average Fincher film is still better than 90% of Hollywood

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah Fincher is just schooling the directors of the MCU.

  14. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Well this just shows that you got filtered. The film knew exactly what it was going for.

  15. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >wtf didn't people like it?
    muh product placement
    Why he no kill billionaire?
    He's a le bad assassin
    why didn't his actions parallel his monologue?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      > why didn't his actions parallel his monologue?

      Capeshit fan discovers the concept of unreliable narrator

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        That's actually not what "unreliable narrator" means, but really good try anon. You'll get it.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          > Characters inner philosophy gets contradicted by his real world motivations.
          Yeah it's monologues are meant to be unreliable thus he's unreliable narrator. Nice try, now go akshually someone else pseudo.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah again, that's not what unreliable narrator means.

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              Is the killer the narrator? Yes
              Does his narration contradict his actions? Yes
              That's an unreliable narrator. It doesn't have to be a schizo or psychedelic trip to make an unreliable narrator. Just someone with a deluded philosophy.
              Won't bother with you longer.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                homosexual, you can literally just look up what the literary device means lol
                You think because he's literally narrating and contradicting himself it's unreliable narrator.
                No.
                Unreliable narrator is when events depicted are of questionable authenticity. Like someone recounting a tale full of embellished truths.
                He's cut off by things going against his mantra, but we are still being shown events as they happen, with veracity. He's not an unreliable narrator just because he's a frick up. Jesus christ, read a fricking book.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                homosexual, I read more than you.
                Yours is just a type of unreliable narrator.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                >if I post something else, tangentially related, it'll cover the fact I was wrong

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                The story is told through a character eyes whose POV is in contradiction with the authors message (although the Killer kinda realises it by the end)
                ITS ALL YOU NEED FOR AN UNRELIABLE NARRATOR.
                It doesn't have to be "it was all a le...dream!!!"
                Is the kid from Catcher in the Rye a reliable narrator? Yes, but pretty sure the events in the book still happened.
                Now cope, seethe and dilate.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                You're still not getting it, we can take the events depicted at face value.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                The events, yes. But not the killer motivations or rationale of those events.
                Are you starting to get it now?
                Are you?

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                The word "narrator" really seems to be confusing you

                Unreliable narrator is when the POV is ambiguous. Maybe what is depicted is true or maybe it false. It's unclear. It's an unreliable pov

                The killer says one thing but our POV as viewers is reliably true, as evidenced by the fact his spiel gets interrupted when he is wrong. There is no deception happening; he is simply incorrect sometimes. It's like you're really dumb or something, I dunno.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                > Maybe what is depicted is true or maybe it false.

                That's only one specific type of unreliable narrator.
                The events of Catcher in the Rye are true. Still Holden has a distorted perception of them, therefore he's unreliable.
                > The killer says one thing but our POV as viewers is reliably true
                That's the point idiot. Without the contrast between what the POV said and the audiences perception there would be no way of claiming a narrator is unreliable in the first place. You seem on the spectrum and stubborn on being right so I won't waste more energy on you.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                >I won't waste more energy on you.
                You said that like 4 replies ago lol. It's okay to be wrong about this one thing. But please don't ever confuse anyone who didn't like this movie for being dumb.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                I accept your concession.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                >still replying

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'm an unreliable narrator

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                >still thinks transparent lying is unreliable narrator

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes.

              • 5 months ago
                Anonymous

                needs to be ambiguity

  16. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    first 2 chapters are OK but then nothing really interesting happens

  17. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >wtf didn't people like it?
    i loved it

  18. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just watched this this morning. I’m officially a Killerbro. This might be the best film of the year as far as I know. So glad I watched it and I’m glad Cinemaphile recommend it to me.

  19. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    It felt like a Fincher movie from the perspective of the villain. Which made the pacing pretty unusual compared to his other movies.

    The main characters own mantra is completely contrary to what he’s actually doing. There is no real urgency to his kills because he is choosing the time and place at his leisure. This leaves his actions mostly as tense in the midst of the killings or attempts to get what he needs.

    My favorite scene was probably when he confronts Tilda Swindon’s character, doesn’t say a fricking word a she keeps talking, looking for a wedge to see if she could survive or convince him she’s not worth killing, it isn’t her fault etc etc. then he denies her her favourite last drink by drinking it himself.

    Then the second of seeming vulnerability she has when her shoe breaks and she asks for help. He immediately shoots her in the head and we see she’d palmed a knife and was gonna gut this man the second he reached for her. First time his mantra about forbidding empathy and sticking to the plan paid off it seems to me

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >My favorite scene was probably when he confronts Tilda Swindon’s character, doesn’t say a fricking word a she keeps talking, looking for a wedge to see if she could survive or convince him she’s not worth killing, it isn’t her fault etc etc. then he denies her her favourite last drink by drinking it himself.
      I might have liked that scene if the writing weren't so pretentious. I did like that he takes her last drink, though.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        I think it was pretentious because she WAS pretentious. She was literally living it up in some fancy restaurant dressed like she came from a gala.

        He knew there was no point in engaging in talking to her, drinking her last drink was both an act of spite and a signal that no. There is no chance you’re living b***h

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          Maybe. It's not like any of them weren't pretentious though. he's living on a massive private mansion in the carribean. He was saying pretentious things too in his inner monologues. I like Fincher, but I think you are defending a bad screenplay too adamantly.

  20. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Did anyone find it amusing that he says he’s a stone cold sociopath but he’s happy to see things like the woman feeding the cat or the kid play shooting his mom?

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      I don’t recall him saying he was a stone cold sociopath. When did he say that?

      Closest I can remember is him saying “I don’t give a frick” about the targets he’s paid to kill. But that doesn’t equate to him saying he’s a sociopath

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        He implied it throughout the whole film but he contradicted himself constantly.

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Did anyone find it amusing that he says he’s a stone cold sociopath

          >He implied it throughout the whole film

          So he didn’t say it then.

  21. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Even a subpar Fincher film is literally one of the best films in the last ten years and that’s saying something.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      >lauded by people who don't watch movies

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Oh ok wiseguy gimme a film in the last three years that’s entertaining and great and if it has any ESG subplots or casting I’m gonna call you a dumb gay.

  22. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    If it wasn't Fincher you guys would be saying it's as boring and derivative as frick.

  23. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I felt bad for the dominatrix and the cab driver. They were just doing their jobs. They didn’t deserve to die. Hopefully he sent their families a little bit of money.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      yeah why did he kill the cabbie?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        His claimed reasoning, There can be no trail leading back to him. There is no way to know if he had no idea who they were or how involved they were. He doesn’t want any link to him remaining as he kills all the people involved he can to keep him safe

        Actual reason. He wanted to kill him because he was partially involved, even if unwittingly.

  24. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >I eat at McDonald’s and Starbucks and shop at Home Depot just like normies do
    >for extra layer of security I pay random strangers in a parking lot to buy my stuff for me because I don’t wanna be on camera in the store
    >yup I got everything figured out cause I’m a true operator

  25. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >if I wear a goofy fisherman’s hat and pretend to be a German tourist the cops won’t recognize me…

  26. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Critical Drinker said the big fight scene was simple and short. Wtf does he mean? It went on far too long like 10 to 12 minutes and was far from simple yeah he said it was brutal but it was going pro wrestling even comic book reality as both men would’ve bled out in seconds but nope they fight for over ten minutes etc.

  27. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Did anyone else feel like Fincher was influenced by Assassins, Branded to Kill and Le Samourai? Those really felt the strongest influences of hitman films because of how absurd it was at times.

  28. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    main character is cringe
    simple as

  29. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    peak product placement and reddit monologuing

  30. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    low iq audience

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      I thought the movie was cool for the first like 5 minutes but then he made the comment "of the many lies told by the US Military Industrial Complex..." and I immediately got the vibe that this film was for middle class liberals who think they are very smart people, the kind of homosexuals who watch MSNBC and listen to NPR.

  31. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    I thought the movie was cool for the first like 5 minutes but then he made the comment "of the many lies told by the US Military Industrial Complex..." and I immediately got the vibe that this film was for middle class liberals who think they are very smart people, the kind of homosexuals who watch MSNBC and listen to NPR.

  32. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    The killer seemed painfully incompetent

  33. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    A movie so mid it made a Fassbender performance boring. If you're going to make a movie about an autistic psychopath at least make it interesting.

  34. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    The fight scene was so out of place; nobody fights like that in real life destroying half the furnitures and even a wall and still going at it like in some capeshit superhero movie.
    It's like modern american movies need at least one scene like that to satiate the manchildren audience.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      It felt even more out of place for Fincher. I think he's losing his touch.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      i watched this movie while sleep deprived but that scene looked like it was CGI to me, was it actually?

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        Probably

        • 5 months ago
          Anonymous

          the big guy especially looked cgi because he moved so stupidly fast, i immediately felt they made it dark and shit to hide that. and added all the effects to give off the idea that the guy was just that scarily strong and dangerous on top of it but ultimately failing. it looked so shit.

          • 5 months ago
            Anonymous

            Um you realize the Freak assassin in the film is a pro wrestler a part of the famous Uso family of Polynesian wrestlers so him busting thru walls and bashing into tables isn’t special effects for him it’s pretty much every day training right?

            • 5 months ago
              Anonymous

              the effects i mean are the visual and audio ones, theres stuff like the killer getting hit and the air distorts and slows and shit like that. not the destruction, you can have that but still choreograph a scene, i mean the actual guy itself looked like it was CGI'd in and sped up and all that. i know what real fights look like amongst heavyweights, i'm into martial arts and practice myself.

              but i'm aware that brown people are superior to white people and are capable of flight when they aren't receiving psychic oppression from the existence of white devils yes and polynesians are a mythical warrior race that can deadlift 900kg at age 5 yeah

  35. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    It’s anti-white propaganda.

  36. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    It is kinda ironic The Killer was sort of the meme “teleports behind you, psssh nuthin personal kid” taken to the extreme in a film version.

  37. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    >those awful digital camera shakes
    >all that wonky cgi
    >90% of the movie is tight shots of the killer in small-ish spaces, no sense of locale even though he's globetrotting
    >worst, most uninspired soundtrack by tr/ar to date

    gay movie, fincher should get back to mindhunter

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      I liked the film but I see it’s flaws. Kinda funny that what felt like forty percent of the film is just Fassbinder looking out a window in some supposedly shoddy Parisian office but it could literally be anywhere in some Third World shithole.

    • 5 months ago
      Anonymous

      I’d like Mindhunter S3 but the second season kinda shit the bed there.

      • 5 months ago
        Anonymous

        2nd season was better

  38. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    Because they're intelligent and not women

  39. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    peak netflick
    lowest Fincher

  40. 5 months ago
    Anonymous

    it was a masterpiece and even my dad who watches action movie slop liked it

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