>Japan : november 2006 >USA : may 2007
Academy only nominates a japanese animation film on the year that it premieres on USA. They could've nominated Paprika alongside Ratatouille and Persepolis in 2007, but chose to nominate Surf's Up instead.
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It would have lost to Ratatouille anyway which is like one of the few Pixar that actually deserves Best Animated Picture
>13th highest grossing film of 2012
It was the first Pixar to not end up among the 10 most profitable films of a year. Sure, 13th is still pretty good, but Pixar has always been on the top 10 before.
It's no contest that Cars 2 was the worse film but somehow I feel like Brave was more damaging to Pixar's creative trajectory as a whole. >First film to have a non-adult protag >First film where "muh generational trauma" is the main and solitary driving conflict >Introduced the transformation gimmick which Pixar still hasn't shaken
film to have a non-adult protag
I don't feel like this is a meaningful distinction when only two of their films prior to this one even had a human protagonist, and one was mostly an ensemble film rather than having a single protagonist.
film where "muh generational trauma" is the main and solitary driving conflict
Brave's theme was absolutely not "generational trauma", a moronic idea that hadn't even entered the public consciousness at the time it was made. It was a bog standard "parent and child can't relate" story that's been done a million times before, it was just a particularly bland and boring one.
the transformation gimmick which Pixar still hasn't shaken
I don't even know what you mean by this, have any of their films even had a "transformation gimmick" besides this and Turning Red?
This film didn't do anything to Pixar's creative trajectory, it was just an early indicator they were running out of talent/ideas.
>Merida, Elinor, Fergus, twins trio (Hamish, Hubert, Harris), The Witch, Lord Dingwall/MacGuffin/Macintosh and their sons, Maudie, Angus, Mor'du
All the characters
>You're mutterimg >I don't mutter >Aye, you do. You mutter, lass, when something's troubling you >I blame you. Stubborness. It's entirely from your side of the family >I take it the talk
didn't go too well, then? >Oh, I don't know what to do >Speak to her, dear >I do speak to her. She just doesn't listen >Come on now. Pretend i'm Merida. Speak to me. What would you say? >Oh, i can't do this >Sure, you can... There, there. That's my queen. Right, here we go. "I don't want to get married. I want to stay single and let my hair flow in the wind as I ride through the glen firing arrows into the sunset" >(breathes deeply) Merida, all this work, all the time spent preparing you, schooling you, giving you everything we never had. I ask you, what do you expect us to do? I understand this must all seem unfair. Even I had reservations when I faced betrothal. But we can't just run away from who we are. I'm not doing any of this to hurt you. If you could just try to see what I do, I do out of love. I think I could make you understand if you would just... listen
Elinor and Fergus are good characters
>247 million domestically/540 million worldwide (previous film did 191 million domestically) >wins Best Animated Feature at both Academy Awards and Golden Globes >positive critical reception, unlike the previous film
It was a success
Sequelitis is a pretty universal condition honestly. I've never watched the Shrekquels so I don't really know shit about their quality but I know at least a couple of them seem to be fondly regarded by fans of the series.
>I've never watched the Shrekquel
The 2nd one has some pretty great jokes but it doesn't hit the same emotional beats. So it's just "ok"
3 is utter dogshit, and 4 is decent fanfiction.
Puss in Boots is shit so just skip that and watch The Last Wish. TLW is the best Shrek sequel/spinoff, I personally like it more than the other Shrek films.
I've seen The Last Wish, really enjoyed it. Definitely at least as good as the original Shrek in my book. Never really had any desire to watch any of the other sequels/spinoffs.
>Puss in Boots is shit
I dislike the animation. First Dreamworks film done by that India facility they opened in 2008, and it shows. Humpty Dumpty and Jack/Jill look offputting.
I've seen The Last Wish, really enjoyed it. Definitely at least as good as the original Shrek in my book. Never really had any desire to watch any of the other sequels/spinoffs.
Last Wish is overrated, the movie had too much characters for its low runtime.
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Anonymous
>the movie had too much characters for its low runtime.
Anon, there were like 9 characters total unless you're counting every nameless mook like a moron
If ever there was a perfect illustration of exactly how much the voters don't give a shit about the animation categories >it beat both Paranorman and Wreck-It-Ralph
It didn't. it got mediocre reviews. People still bought tickets for it because people were still in the habit of seeing movies though.
It won an oscar
so. it's the worst movie to win the animation Oscar. Except maybe Big hero 6
Happy Feet is the worst one. Cars should've won that year. At least Cars won the first Best Animated Feature from Golden Globes.
Paprika was better than all the nominees that year.
>Japan : november 2006
>USA : may 2007
Academy only nominates a japanese animation film on the year that it premieres on USA. They could've nominated Paprika alongside Ratatouille and Persepolis in 2007, but chose to nominate Surf's Up instead.
It would have lost to Ratatouille anyway which is like one of the few Pixar that actually deserves Best Animated Picture
It was submitted for 2006.
>13th highest grossing film of 2012
It was the first Pixar to not end up among the 10 most profitable films of a year. Sure, 13th is still pretty good, but Pixar has always been on the top 10 before.
It still made over $230 million domestically which is really good especially for 2012. but it wasn't that good of a movie.
The first half was pretty good.
It's no contest that Cars 2 was the worse film but somehow I feel like Brave was more damaging to Pixar's creative trajectory as a whole.
>First film to have a non-adult protag
>First film where "muh generational trauma" is the main and solitary driving conflict
>Introduced the transformation gimmick which Pixar still hasn't shaken
But hey I still love Turning Red.
You should get better tastes then, it's literally a worse version of Brave
more like a based version of Brave
Does she really wear that choker?
Is she TRYING to get throat raped?
Cars 2 was the first noticeably bad film but it was a sequel and a cash grab.
IMO an original film beign really poor is a bigger deal
film to have a non-adult protag
I don't feel like this is a meaningful distinction when only two of their films prior to this one even had a human protagonist, and one was mostly an ensemble film rather than having a single protagonist.
film where "muh generational trauma" is the main and solitary driving conflict
Brave's theme was absolutely not "generational trauma", a moronic idea that hadn't even entered the public consciousness at the time it was made. It was a bog standard "parent and child can't relate" story that's been done a million times before, it was just a particularly bland and boring one.
the transformation gimmick which Pixar still hasn't shaken
I don't even know what you mean by this, have any of their films even had a "transformation gimmick" besides this and Turning Red?
This film didn't do anything to Pixar's creative trajectory, it was just an early indicator they were running out of talent/ideas.
Luca the teens are mermaids that can look human
Coco he turns into a skeleton
>Luca the teens are mermaids that can look human
This is really reaching, anon
Brave was genuinely worse than Cars 2
it's entirely forgettable, no one had any critiques because there's nothing to comment on
>Merida, Elinor, Fergus, twins trio (Hamish, Hubert, Harris), The Witch, Lord Dingwall/MacGuffin/Macintosh and their sons, Maudie, Angus, Mor'du
All the characters
>You're mutterimg
>I don't mutter
>Aye, you do. You mutter, lass, when something's troubling you
>I blame you. Stubborness. It's entirely from your side of the family
>I take it the talk
didn't go too well, then?
>Oh, I don't know what to do
>Speak to her, dear
>I do speak to her. She just doesn't listen
>Come on now. Pretend i'm Merida. Speak to me. What would you say?
>Oh, i can't do this
>Sure, you can... There, there. That's my queen. Right, here we go. "I don't want to get married. I want to stay single and let my hair flow in the wind as I ride through the glen firing arrows into the sunset"
>(breathes deeply) Merida, all this work, all the time spent preparing you, schooling you, giving you everything we never had. I ask you, what do you expect us to do? I understand this must all seem unfair. Even I had reservations when I faced betrothal. But we can't just run away from who we are. I'm not doing any of this to hurt you. If you could just try to see what I do, I do out of love. I think I could make you understand if you would just... listen
Elinor and Fergus are good characters
Top tier character design wasted on a meh movie
how do you figure the designs were so good
This is still better than a couple of Dreamworks films, especially the sequel ones.
>Pixar is better than Dreamworks
No shit, Sharktalegay
It's not a "no shit" to the Ruby Gillman bros
>Get back. That's my mother
This was a memorable scene
Cars sucked too, buddy
yeah it got mediocre reviews because it was a white trash movie that was 20 minutes longer than it needed to be
>247 million domestically/540 million worldwide (previous film did 191 million domestically)
>wins Best Animated Feature at both Academy Awards and Golden Globes
>positive critical reception, unlike the previous film
It was a success
ackshfully it was $237m dom
Sorry, you're right. Still did better than Cars 2.
>Brenda Chapman (head of story on The Lion King and one of the Prince of Egypt directors)
>Mark Andrews (head of story on Osmosis Jones, The Incredibles and Ratatouille, plus director of One Man Band)
>Steve Purcell (Sam & Max creator and a Pixar consultant since Cars)
All the 3 directors. Purcell was more of a co-director tho.
OK Do you mean to say it was a mediocre movie because of a diluted vision?
Bear sex
John Sanford is a fricking baby who cries to his daddies at Cartoonbrew. Also he directed Home On the Range so that joke tells itself.
what film is the last comment referencing?
>Cars 2 : 98 minutes/20 seconds without credits
>Brave : 84 minutes/40 seconds without credits
At least it doesn't overstay its welcome like the previous film did.
I liked it. Just like with Tangled before, it was nice to get a CGI princess/kingdoms/magic film that didn't follow the Shrek formula.
>CGI princess/kingdoms/magic film that didn't follow the Shrek formula
What formula is that, being a good film?
Judging by the sequels, Shrek being a good film with a great screenplay worth taking seriously was a bit of a fluke.
Sequelitis is a pretty universal condition honestly. I've never watched the Shrekquels so I don't really know shit about their quality but I know at least a couple of them seem to be fondly regarded by fans of the series.
Either way, Brave is generic boring garbage.
>I've never watched the Shrekquels
Good. Keep it that way. A few laughs aren't worthy of the brain rot that comes packaged with them.
>I've never watched the Shrekquel
The 2nd one has some pretty great jokes but it doesn't hit the same emotional beats. So it's just "ok"
3 is utter dogshit, and 4 is decent fanfiction.
Puss in Boots is shit so just skip that and watch The Last Wish. TLW is the best Shrek sequel/spinoff, I personally like it more than the other Shrek films.
I've seen The Last Wish, really enjoyed it. Definitely at least as good as the original Shrek in my book. Never really had any desire to watch any of the other sequels/spinoffs.
>Puss in Boots is shit
I dislike the animation. First Dreamworks film done by that India facility they opened in 2008, and it shows. Humpty Dumpty and Jack/Jill look offputting.
Last Wish is overrated, the movie had too much characters for its low runtime.
>the movie had too much characters for its low runtime.
Anon, there were like 9 characters total unless you're counting every nameless mook like a moron
Maudie's breasts and sexy bear-mom.
>The Bear and the Bow
They did well in changing that name it had for a few years.
And it won an Oscar regardless
If ever there was a perfect illustration of exactly how much the voters don't give a shit about the animation categories
>it beat both Paranorman and Wreck-It-Ralph
>It beat ParaNorman
Whatever. Not a great film outside the third act
Compared to Brave it's fricking Citizen Kane
Not really