This. The first film had more atmosphere and ambience compared to the second film. Also, Arnold was far more terrifying the first time around. Taking away the survival-horror element really ruined the franchise.
no. but yes. a film series so good it's the present 30 years later.
This. The first film had more atmosphere and ambience compared to the second film. Also, Arnold was far more terrifying the first time around. Taking away the survival-horror element really ruined the franchise.
Funny i only see this contrarian opinion here on Cinemaphile and no where else
Tbf, this must be the only place where honest film discussion exists. Elsewhere, you'll just be talking to bots trained on opinion pieces of the zeitgest.
Maybe it’s an opinion that only exists here, but I’m with it. Not that I’m saying T2 is any way bad, it’s honestly the zenith of Hollywood filmmaking before the decline into producer-micromanaged CGI slop took hold. While it pioneered digital effects technology, it was also an intensely practical film employing literally every trick in the book by the most competent people ever to work in the industry at their collective peaks. Everything is represented - puppetry, miniature effects, rear projection, matte painting, animatronics, special effects makeup, practical stunts, vehicle stunts, CGI, basically everything besides stop motion. It’s a perfectly-made film. That said, I still prefer the first. The atmosphere is richer and grittier, the music is more low-fidelity and electronic, the whole thing is a much nastier, darker, more overtly horrific take on the concept that visually and thematically resonates with me more. It has less fat than T2, it’s a basically flawless, lean, tight screenplay adapted to film as absolutely best it could be for the time and budget.
Never noticed they put a board on the side of the pick up to make it easier for the stuntman to leap forward, and that magnificent move of jumping down the hood and hanging off the side mirror. They don't make'em like this anymore.
With a lot at stake and not a lot of room for error (quite literally), as Chuck Tamburro, himself put it: “If I made a mistake, I would be killed.” The stunt was so obviously dangerous that the scheduled camera crew tasked with shooting the close-ups refused to take part in it. Proving that he’s not one to ask of others what he isn’t willing to do himself, Cameron said “okay fine, I’ll shoot it” and shot the stunt with the help of a very courageous insert car driver.
what's the best version of this movie? theatrical, extended? what transfer? the remaster looks awful, the denoise and sharpen makes everything looks like vaseline
I don’t know so much about that. I always thought a lot of the CGI was just too obvious in the shots. Granted for a twenty-year-old film it looks good compared to the crap we get today. The thing that really kills T3 besides its execrable script is the incredibly pedestrian lighting, cinematography and production design. A lot of the choices in clothing and weapons are aggressively early-2000s and date the film badly, especially Arnie’s outfit, sunglasses, and whatever that awful-looking shotgun they gave him was.
i watching it now. you have cars being taken over via the internet in a time of prior flip phones. it's far better than anyone pans it for.
there's also a crane fricking things up.
Ah yes, old analogue police cruisers with no drive-by-wire systems. Nanomachines, son. Also the film that started the trend in the sequels of trying and failing to one-up the T-1000. You can read for yourself the thinking behind the script: http://johnbrancato.blogspot.com/2009/10/how-to-beat-twice-dead-horse.html?m=1
I’m glad these two don’t get work any more, one of those writing teams that Hollywood falls in love with for a while like Kurtzman and Orci who produce absolute garbage and burn down established properties because they think they know better.
First one was better and more soulful.
no. but yes. a film series so good it's the present 30 years later.
This. The first film had more atmosphere and ambience compared to the second film. Also, Arnold was far more terrifying the first time around. Taking away the survival-horror element really ruined the franchise.
Funny i only see this contrarian opinion here on Cinemaphile and no where else
you have already lived to see manmade horrors beyond your comprehension, and you want more?
Tbf, this must be the only place where honest film discussion exists. Elsewhere, you'll just be talking to bots trained on opinion pieces of the zeitgest.
Always preferred the first since I was a kid
They are just two really good but different movies. T1 is a great scifi horror and T2 is more scifi action/adventure
Maybe it’s an opinion that only exists here, but I’m with it. Not that I’m saying T2 is any way bad, it’s honestly the zenith of Hollywood filmmaking before the decline into producer-micromanaged CGI slop took hold. While it pioneered digital effects technology, it was also an intensely practical film employing literally every trick in the book by the most competent people ever to work in the industry at their collective peaks. Everything is represented - puppetry, miniature effects, rear projection, matte painting, animatronics, special effects makeup, practical stunts, vehicle stunts, CGI, basically everything besides stop motion. It’s a perfectly-made film. That said, I still prefer the first. The atmosphere is richer and grittier, the music is more low-fidelity and electronic, the whole thing is a much nastier, darker, more overtly horrific take on the concept that visually and thematically resonates with me more. It has less fat than T2, it’s a basically flawless, lean, tight screenplay adapted to film as absolutely best it could be for the time and budget.
I wish there was a happy middle ground with all of the soul of the first one, with the technical skills of the second.
Instead we get some PG 13 bullshit starring real-life Bart Simpson
Wrong.
Sure if you're 12
perpetually
Seven Samurai is better.
>heavy breathing you last breath over the detonator
>"i don't know how much longer i can hold this"
kino 90's actor. was also great in speed
That's not Jurassic Park
sarah conner: hottest milf
The scene where he jumped onto the semi and mag dumps his rifle into the liquid guy is pretty neat
one of the best practical stunts put to film considering 99% of the dogshit nowadays is greenscreened
Never noticed they put a board on the side of the pick up to make it easier for the stuntman to leap forward, and that magnificent move of jumping down the hood and hanging off the side mirror. They don't make'em like this anymore.
Flying the fricking helicopter under the bridge is the kind of insane demands from Cameron that make his old films kino.
With a lot at stake and not a lot of room for error (quite literally), as Chuck Tamburro, himself put it: “If I made a mistake, I would be killed.” The stunt was so obviously dangerous that the scheduled camera crew tasked with shooting the close-ups refused to take part in it. Proving that he’s not one to ask of others what he isn’t willing to do himself, Cameron said “okay fine, I’ll shoot it” and shot the stunt with the help of a very courageous insert car driver.
best villain ever
best tough girl ever
test
in a t2 thread?
results: high
this shit was corny
total zoomer death
The first one was better
what's the best version of this movie? theatrical, extended? what transfer? the remaster looks awful, the denoise and sharpen makes everything looks like vaseline
whichever version you find on a russian streaming website whilst pissed at 2am
t3 in hindsight is also very good when viewed though the technological lens of today.
I don’t know so much about that. I always thought a lot of the CGI was just too obvious in the shots. Granted for a twenty-year-old film it looks good compared to the crap we get today. The thing that really kills T3 besides its execrable script is the incredibly pedestrian lighting, cinematography and production design. A lot of the choices in clothing and weapons are aggressively early-2000s and date the film badly, especially Arnie’s outfit, sunglasses, and whatever that awful-looking shotgun they gave him was.
i watching it now. you have cars being taken over via the internet in a time of prior flip phones. it's far better than anyone pans it for.
there's also a crane fricking things up.
Ah yes, old analogue police cruisers with no drive-by-wire systems. Nanomachines, son. Also the film that started the trend in the sequels of trying and failing to one-up the T-1000. You can read for yourself the thinking behind the script: http://johnbrancato.blogspot.com/2009/10/how-to-beat-twice-dead-horse.html?m=1
I’m glad these two don’t get work any more, one of those writing teams that Hollywood falls in love with for a while like Kurtzman and Orci who produce absolute garbage and burn down established properties because they think they know better.
>Ah yes, old analogue police cruisers with no drive-by-wire systems.
it's a prophecy using what was at the time current technology?
the first is aesthetically richer and better
If I could only watch one movie for the rest of my life this one would be among the top candidates.
Robocop was better and even that wasn't the pinnacle of cinema. T2 was still cool, though.
>Robocop was better
wrong
>the pinnacle of cinema
for me it is
yawn
Arnold's fake accent is dumb, he should knock it off.
NOT EVEN THE BEST FRICKING FILM FROM 1991 DIPSHIT