What, is it just Ragnarok again? Where the main villain spends most of the movie sucking their thumb in a corner while Thor has to put up with some b***h?
>It's Ragnarok but dialed up
most of the trailers and images I saw were just the two c**ts. this movie just seems like "thor's mighty feminist queer icons" instead of an actual thor movie
Why does MCU keep fricking up its villains?
I don't even like Gorr, I'm just in the camp of "a hero is only as good as their villain" and it's annoying to see so many villains who are either shit or mistreated by writers.
I have no interest in this movie and I'm sure it will be shit but I think it's important to note that Journos will be bitter that Jane dies and Thor continues to be Thor and will continue to be Thor in the future as per Hemsworth saying he doesn't want to stop so I don't know if I would trust their judgement. I'm not trying to get political I swear it's just they were hyping this up as some kind of social win and now they don't really get that.
How is Valhalla real? Have they ever delved into why these guys are the Norse gods? I know they threw out a pity “they’re aliens” ten years ago but I’m not sure we’ve ever got an in movie explanation as to why Asgard is what it is in relation to earth
Yeah, the comic it was based on, as bad as it eventually got, did establish the Asgardians were GODS, but Ragnarok made the normal Asgardians act like people.
The MCU tie in comic or are you talking about the Thor comics?
2 years ago
Anonymous
The Aaron run this is based off of. He established gods exist as sort creating and being created by the thoughts of mortals.
Gorr is mad because his gods were literal dicks who did nothing for his people.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>gods exist as sort creating and being created by the thoughts of mortals.
This is a really cool way to do it, but literally everyone does it.
I want a series where the Gods aren't aliens and they aren't thoughtforms - they're actual Gods.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Asgardians have been gods for way longer than that, Aaron didn't make it canon that they were genuine gods, they have been genuine gods for decades.
>gods exist as sort creating and being created by the thoughts of mortals.
This is a really cool way to do it, but literally everyone does it.
I want a series where the Gods aren't aliens and they aren't thoughtforms - they're actual Gods.
>I want a series where the Gods aren't aliens and they aren't thoughtforms - they're actual Gods.
They ARE, but they're also thoughtforms. They're living paradoxes. The Elder gods of the universe aren't thoughtforms, but when they died, it was the strong beliefs of mortals all across the universe including humans, who created the thousands upon thousands of pantheons by shaping that genuine divine energy. But they didn't just shape them, their beliefs made it so that the gods always existed to begin with, so that they influenced the mortals beliefs to begin with, hence living paradoxes. It's why Odin was around hundreds of millions of years ago in some comics, and why he still claims to have created humanity. It's actually quite likely he did have some hand in creating Germanic people, and other pantheons created the other human races.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>They're living paradoxes
actual cool concept
Sadly too complicated for the average Marvel fan who needed explanations for Endgame's time travel afterwards
I doubt it. But I do think if it is somehow good reviews will be very tainted because they don't get femThor forever. Also she doesn't seem to do that much as Thor. Hemsworth seems to have most of the action setpieces to himself with the exception of the final battle.
>god serial killer
I think it would have been funny to throw in some American Psycho references and themes to Gorr, considering it's Bale playing him. It wouldn't be faithful to the comics, but it would be less tonal whiplash and it'd be hot with the zoomers.
Star Wars being dumped to streaming isn't an indicator of the franchise doing well
Disney is even struggling to get people in that moronic ass Star Wars hotel
To add context, Star Wars Clone Wars movie was released in theatres in 2008, the intention was to make big hit release after big hit release like how they released Rogue One and Solo inbetween mainline movie, two separate teams of creators under one umbrella. And now yeah it's streamed tv shows on a level below Ozark. Episode a week for 14 weeks is not the type of content the big names want, it's beneath big movie events, and the push for streaming over theaters is just cope from falling names.
To add context, Star Wars Clone Wars movie was released in theatres in 2008, the intention was to make big hit release after big hit release like how they released Rogue One and Solo inbetween mainline movie, two separate teams of creators under one umbrella. And now yeah it's streamed tv shows on a level below Ozark. Episode a week for 14 weeks is not the type of content the big names want, it's beneath big movie events, and the push for streaming over theaters is just cope from falling names.
>Star Wars being dumped to streaming isn't an indicator of the franchise doing well
Cinemas are crap. Ultilities and rents are huge. They make frick all money and overcharge for food. So many people watch content at home now anyways. The context is completely different to how it was in the past. Streaming cuts out the middle man completely. They want more stuff than ever. They want everything to be like the MCU and make money and produce shit loads more content and having it exclusively on your subscription service. There is literally a streaming war going on right now. >like how they released Rogue One and Solo inbetween mainline movie
Originally the plan was main movies + spin off movie to kind of replicate how Marvel was putting out multiple movies a year. TLJ and Solo had a backlash and the Executive speak blamed Star Wars fatigue even though the issue was TLJ was divisive and Solo had so many production issues and reshoots it needed a huge amount of money to break even. These shows were put on the backburner. So they wanted to build up slowly again. Mandalorian tested the waters, did well so they greenlit all these things to be shows now for that service. And now there is more talk of future SW movies again. Don't get me wrong, I hate modern SW and it isn't doing well and like you said, that hotel and the theme park mismanagement has been hilarious. But streaming is what everyone is going into now and isn't indicative of a bad franchise on its own. The franchise isn't doing well because despite big budgets or bringing actors back they write painfully bland stories that miss the mark. But for some people that is enough because bland but enjoyable stories just get them prepared for the next slop. And that is a perfect strategy for a subscription service.
Why are critics turning on MCU movies now?
Seen the writing on the wall and want to get ahead of the trend of hating it.
There's been a lot of negative reactions since it was screened for film critics. Sounds like it might even get below 60 on RT. Imagine the seething.
I suspect it'll be one of these things still liked by most audiences.
The only thing that worked was the Mandalorian (and Kenndy still did her best to sabotage it) and yes, streaming works fine for movies under $100 million but anything above that, sorry, they really need theatres.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>The only thing that worked was the Mandalorian
Mandalorian worked because of simple theme and simple episodes. Of course they fricked it up because they want to spin everything off of it. >but anything above that, sorry, they really need theatres.
Maybe you misread my post, I am not saying that theatres are completely buried, they do need them to a large extent still, but the way you talk about streaming = a franchise not doing well feels kind of archaic because the landscape for entertainment has changed. That was the point I was making.
SW isn't doing well because the producers at hand are under pressure to create another MCU but are missing the mark. I mean frick WB wants to fix its DC universe films and keeps fricking up, Sony keeps trying to do a Spider-Man universe (its first attempt failed- AMS2 and now it is trying again), Universal wanted a Dark Universe, Sony wanted a Ghostbuster universe. They can't find that formula that worked for the MCU and fit it to their universes without getting greedy or being divisive.
2 years ago
Anonymous
What’s sad about Star Wars is that they had the easiest job in the world, this thing literally sells itself and they had to go and frick it up with The Last Jedi and more importantly by not taking the time to plan the sequel trilogy from the start.
Things will get better if Kennedy goes but it probably won’t generate as much money from the start unless they go and promote the next movie as overwriting the sequel trilogy.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>taking the time to plan the sequel trilogy from the start.
That's not really true. They had all the directors lined up from the start and scriptwriting/pre-production on TLJ overlapped production of TFA. Their real problems were not having a backup plan in place when Trevorrow didn't deliver on Episode 9's script and letting Johnson end TLJ in a way that pretty much required a reset button.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Anon, if you are writing a trilogy to follow after something as important as Star Wars you well fricking plan the three movies well in advance, nothing about planning the sequel right while the first film is actively being produced and not yet finished. Trevorrow left because The Last Jedi script didn’t let him do anything and judging from Rise of Skywalker he wasn’t wrong. Who in their right fricking mind would accept The Last Jedi as a script let alone let Johnson do whatever the frick he pleases?
In general Galaxy's Edge has had a shit loads of problems. It opened with so few rides and new one taking ages to develop. They focused on the sequel period for contractual reasons which was also less popular than doing the OT or prequels. Combine the huge development cost and the huge prices. And this was even before covid or the cost of living crisis.
Nah it'll make billions, probably break all records, but ultimately be forgotten.
Sure but this is how it starts. I said dying not completely dead. If the honeymoon phase is wearing off for journos it’s only a matter of time. A Marvel film was basically guaranteed to get AT LEAST 80% on RT. Externals was the first crack and this seems like the second.
People have been saying that forever. I feel like Marvel will always be okay so long as they can trick enough people into hyping the next movie as it'll be better.
I mean frick there was a whole bullshit video essay by a dude coping "Okay Phase 4 kind of sucks and nobody cares about any of the new people but....it's really gonna pay off when Secret Wars happens.
Transformers was basically this despite the awful reviews they get. It was only when they tries to change things with Age of Extinction that they started to actually bom .
Anon, don't be stupid, absolutely no movie genre ever has stayed as the king of the hill forever and ever. Capeshit won't be different in that regard.
[...] >Star Wars being dumped to streaming isn't an indicator of the franchise doing well
Cinemas are crap. Ultilities and rents are huge. They make frick all money and overcharge for food. So many people watch content at home now anyways. The context is completely different to how it was in the past. Streaming cuts out the middle man completely. They want more stuff than ever. They want everything to be like the MCU and make money and produce shit loads more content and having it exclusively on your subscription service. There is literally a streaming war going on right now. >like how they released Rogue One and Solo inbetween mainline movie
Originally the plan was main movies + spin off movie to kind of replicate how Marvel was putting out multiple movies a year. TLJ and Solo had a backlash and the Executive speak blamed Star Wars fatigue even though the issue was TLJ was divisive and Solo had so many production issues and reshoots it needed a huge amount of money to break even. These shows were put on the backburner. So they wanted to build up slowly again. Mandalorian tested the waters, did well so they greenlit all these things to be shows now for that service. And now there is more talk of future SW movies again. Don't get me wrong, I hate modern SW and it isn't doing well and like you said, that hotel and the theme park mismanagement has been hilarious. But streaming is what everyone is going into now and isn't indicative of a bad franchise on its own. The franchise isn't doing well because despite big budgets or bringing actors back they write painfully bland stories that miss the mark. But for some people that is enough because bland but enjoyable stories just get them prepared for the next slop. And that is a perfect strategy for a subscription service.
[...]
Seen the writing on the wall and want to get ahead of the trend of hating it.
[...]
I suspect it'll be one of these things still liked by most audiences.
Streaming is fool's gold, companies are free to make their own numbers and even so Disney has to admit Disney Plus won't make a profit until 2024 at earliest.
Why does MCU keep fricking up its villains?
I don't even like Gorr, I'm just in the camp of "a hero is only as good as their villain" and it's annoying to see so many villains who are either shit or mistreated by writers.
Disney in general has been fricking villains over for a long while now, the animated movies haven't had decent ones in a while, either.
>Streaming is fool's gold
Of course it is. It is the latest gimmick they are rushing head first into. No where did I deny that. Simply saying that the landscape of entertainment has changed.
>Okay Phase 4 kind of sucks and nobody cares about any of the new people but....it's really gonna pay off when Secret Wars happens.
My favourite thing about this is that it's really only normies saying this and getting excited for Secret fricking Wars. I've not seen anyone on here who wants Secret Wars, and certainly not any time soon
You guys have been saying this since Age of Ultron. Everyone was saying the cracks were showing then and that it was only a matter of time before the MCU collapsed. Then we got Infinity War and Endgame becoming box office juggernaughts.
Lmao don't. He's in the having fun with being a sellout stage of his career still. Sure he never cut it as a legitimate actor, he's getting paid like he's just a few steps down from Tom Cruise and Christian Bale instead of begging for scraps. He can say that he was a main character in a Ghostbusters movie and treat his job like a vacation with other charismatic people. Wait till he's down as a unwanted 50 year old before you start to kick him if he hasn't learned yet.
Motherfricker is almost universally praised as the one funny thing about Ghostbusters. A film made to showcase female comedians. And he is the best thing about it.
He's a roider who plays the same character every time. I mean he is fine as a character actor but other than that, i don't really feel bad for millionaires
I have a feeling MCU fans are going the way of Snyder fans where it'll be: >Critics are all wrong but I liked it. >Critics are out of touch shills.
Route.
Tbh ever since Black Widow, Marvel has been doing pretty moronic things that didn’t work in the comics and sure as hell won’t work with casual audiences. And then there’s Taskmaster.
Bland origin movies, divisive films and streaming shows. For every single film people have been waiting for the dam to burst; talking about superhero fatigue or how it is ruining cinema and people want to point somewhere and say "This is when it started, I was right!" If you keep saying it, one day you will be right.
[...] >Star Wars being dumped to streaming isn't an indicator of the franchise doing well
Cinemas are crap. Ultilities and rents are huge. They make frick all money and overcharge for food. So many people watch content at home now anyways. The context is completely different to how it was in the past. Streaming cuts out the middle man completely. They want more stuff than ever. They want everything to be like the MCU and make money and produce shit loads more content and having it exclusively on your subscription service. There is literally a streaming war going on right now. >like how they released Rogue One and Solo inbetween mainline movie
Originally the plan was main movies + spin off movie to kind of replicate how Marvel was putting out multiple movies a year. TLJ and Solo had a backlash and the Executive speak blamed Star Wars fatigue even though the issue was TLJ was divisive and Solo had so many production issues and reshoots it needed a huge amount of money to break even. These shows were put on the backburner. So they wanted to build up slowly again. Mandalorian tested the waters, did well so they greenlit all these things to be shows now for that service. And now there is more talk of future SW movies again. Don't get me wrong, I hate modern SW and it isn't doing well and like you said, that hotel and the theme park mismanagement has been hilarious. But streaming is what everyone is going into now and isn't indicative of a bad franchise on its own. The franchise isn't doing well because despite big budgets or bringing actors back they write painfully bland stories that miss the mark. But for some people that is enough because bland but enjoyable stories just get them prepared for the next slop. And that is a perfect strategy for a subscription service.
[...]
Seen the writing on the wall and want to get ahead of the trend of hating it.
[...]
I suspect it'll be one of these things still liked by most audiences.
>Seen the writing on the wall and want to get ahead of the trend of hating it.
This.
Why does MCU keep fricking up its villains?
I don't even like Gorr, I'm just in the camp of "a hero is only as good as their villain" and it's annoying to see so many villains who are either shit or mistreated by writers.
>Why does MCU keep fricking up its villains?
Because Marvel films suffer painfully with villain shorthand as in, they don't want to devote huge parts of the movies to the villains and their motivations. Often villains end up connected to the heroes because it is easy to explain why they hate them. Their formulas often rely more on hero characterisation e.g. does anyone care about Iron Man villains? No, they like RDJ as Iron Man.
If Marvel and Star Wars start to get wobbly, what does Disney even do? They've taken hits over and over, AND they've managed to get half the country pissed off at them for political reasons.
Kind of seems like these days the House of Mouse is in a precarious position, on multiple fronts.
Because none of it "matters" anymore. Before it was all building towards something and now it isn't. What was the point of Wandavision when she learnt nothing and so Dr Strange happened?
Why the frick did they think that Bendis Scarlet Witch was the thing they should adapt into movies? People have been b***hing about that for ages and lo and behold, it’s like Avengers Disassembled all over again.
Because all this shit now feels made by algorithms. House of M is widely known because every click bait site mentions it with every Scarlet Witch post. And then people go onto Youtube and watch a video about House of M or read a wiki (far more than actually read an actual comic).
Avengers Disassembled is "Avengers are lame and need Spider-Man, Wolverine, and all my childhood favorites showing up so I'll make Scarlet Witch evil and insane to kill off all those loser Avengers." There is nothing fundamentally there because it's a mean-spirited bloodbath done for shock value, plus CA:CW is basically MCU Avengers Disassembled. House of M isn't even a Wanda story. It's a Wolverine story.
In general Galaxy's Edge has had a shit loads of problems. It opened with so few rides and new one taking ages to develop. They focused on the sequel period for contractual reasons which was also less popular than doing the OT or prequels. Combine the huge development cost and the huge prices. And this was even before covid or the cost of living crisis.
I can't really complain about Galaxy's Edge too much considering I love Dinoland, USA and that place is basically fricking nothing, but there is zero reason why a place that small has five gift shops. GE needs a layout overhaul; with the stunt show removed all of that space is wasted, the stage show area is a large amount of empty space (admittedly it's also used for excess queue capacity), they need to add more seating to the cantina, and add in some non E-ticket attraction.
This is all on Feige.
Too much shit on his plate.
Seems to be letting the movie directors be auteurs in this phase instead of reigning them in like before.
He's letting them make big swings and be more risky because he needs a breakout hero or team out of these intentionally WOKE c to d listers.
So far only Shang Chi was the only one that sort of caught on.
Other than Loki (pre WOKE character) his MCU streaming side is in pure shambles.
Everyone has went after how bad Ms Marvel is currently doing but Moon Knight actually did worse and they're burying that fact under the rug.
She-Hulk could be the next breakout hit though depending on how good the episodes are.
Man of Steel was a tonal disaster. Ragnarok was finally getting the tone right after the first 2 Thor movies. Fite me.
The world does not want "Serious Norse Adventures". Don't believe me? Check the Norseman's box office again chudmeisters.
Nah, if people want to see white people savagely killing other white people for raisins, they can turn on the nightly news. People don't want that bleak shit in their movies.
It isn’t nearly as bad as it’s made to be. Normies certainly weren’t upset.
Worst MCU films are Age of Ultron and MCU Spidey solo movies. And I’d say Eternals but that may very well stop being canon soon.
>And I’d say Eternals but that may very well stop being canon soon.
Yeah it's so bad it's not canon. That's a great way for the MCU not to have a bad film and people like you will go along with rhat
>Normies certainly weren’t upset.
only because it came out before the MCU became the cultural juggernaut it is today.
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Anonymous
Anon, it came after Avengers and did quite well.
>And I’d say Eternals but that may very well stop being canon soon.
Yeah it's so bad it's not canon. That's a great way for the MCU not to have a bad film and people like you will go along with rhat
It’s for the best if they make it not canon, it’s fricks up their own universe so hard.
>Check the Norseman's box office again chudmeisters.
Norseman's issue isn't serious Norse adventures don't work, it is that it is a niche arty movie with too high a budget. You could make a serious Norse revenge movie with the same budget and have it be successful if it was full of action.
Ragnarok was a tonal disaster too and everyone but me seems to love it. Even from the trailers you can feel the tonal whiplash.
The first Thor looks weird compared to the other Phase 1 films. The wide shots and dutch angles. Kenneth Branagh wanted it to be like a Shakespearean melodrama. Dark World was just bland because it had some of the worst excesses of modern Marvel, the side characters were bad, the villain's stories was mostly cut and it was just bad. Ragnorak needed a different tone but went too far in the opposite direction.
I partly feel like Thor got some of the worst of it in in terms of production. Like the Sif actress got injured and was basically written out. Warriors Three were nobodies and killed off. So much good stuff that added depth was constantly cut out.
Thor and Thor 2 were good you moronic history revisionist.
Thor The Dark World was kinda bland. Christopher Ecclestone complained a lot of his scenes were cut. Like a scene where Odin's father kills Malekith's family.
Kat Dennings whole character was fricking attrocious in that film.
>First third of the movie between Earth and Asgard doing frick all but letting Odin poof away to introduce Hela from out the movie's butthole >Hopping between Planet Hulk to gather up all the new characters Director Kiwi wanted, and Asgard so that he can begin culling the old cast he doesn't >All while undercutting serious moments with ill timed jokes and jamming in maudlin shit for unearned character arcs
Nah it's a mess
Thor and Thor 2 were good you moronic history revisionist.
Thor 1: meaningless, stake-less CGI battles, terrible romance, everyone in plastic-looking toy armor except Thor and Odin, Hiddleston is the only reason to watch it.
Thor 2: Villains never fleshed out enough to make anyone care, stupid comedy side-kicks, more shitty romance, final battle is a slight improvement.
Ragnarok: Odin is offed as actor is tired of this shit. Characters the audience does not care about die off (pissing off Thor nerds). Better villain with at least a modicum of motive, better CGI, romance is ditched for bromance, Hulk vs Thor, humor is very hit-or-miss.
>Actor literally fleeing the movie >Writer lazily culls characters they don't want >Villain's motive is literally "I want to kill the universe because it's what I want" which is the same exact as the last. >CGI isn't as old as the last movies, but will probably age just as poorly >Bromance with new annoying comedy sidekicks >Hulk vs Thor, a joke that was finished in Avengers 1 and is just stale now >Humor is more miss than hit
All in All it's just Guardians of the Galaxy: Thor Edition
>All in All it's just Guardians of the Galaxy: Thor Edition
Yes, that was the point, make Thor more similar to the immensely marketable GotG franchise, THEN team him up with them.
I mean it's jarring because Thor has NEVER had weird adventures in outer space ever, but it works.
>pissing off thor nerds
I'm pretty comics casul(read maybe a few thousand issues, didn't collect comics growing up) and even I dropped mcu by 2015. anyone who cares about the original lore stopped paying attention to that tire fire.
Yes we know, these threads are always 90% populated by people who don't care about the MCU and don't watch the movies anymore.
Every single time. Next MCU thread, I'll just take it as a given that you don't care about the MCU.
Eternals had gay on gay kissing full at center.
Honestly black fat gay was more likable than most of the cast so of course he is the next to last to join.
Apparently Korg has a daughter with another man, but that is comic accurate
Also Valkyrie is bisexual, but i doubt it will be addressed in the film, she's looking for her "queen" but from what i heard that plot doesn't go anywhere
Why can't these movies just make an actual fun adventure? Thor movies have to constantly imply that fun adventuring happened between movies instead of showing it.
I fricking hate ''Marvel humor''
despite Whedon being bad icky man they sure love to copy and paste his style of humor all the time with the random one liners and quips.
I think Thor has it the worst, since the entire character is a joke now cause people think the first 2 movies were super serious all the time or some shit and Endgame/Ragnarok making him full goofball is too much especially Fat Thor just what were they thinking
It’s impressive though, the only movies that have come close to imitating Whedon’s craptastic humor are the solo Spider-Man movies, everyone else can’t tell jokes or write dialogue as bad as he does it. It’s astounding.
This shit depresses me. Thor 4 is the MCU movie I've been looking forward to the most for a long time. Thor is my favorite Marvel character and a movie about Gorr the God Butcher, and other gods from other pantheons had me so excited. The first trailers made me really excited, so it sucks reading all this shit about the comedy being too much, and Gorr barely being in it, and having an anti-climatic ending.
Casual fans and dumb Americans loved the LOL SILLY KIWIS BREW shit in Ragnarok - will this go over similarly well considering critics are just saying it's Ragnarok 2.0?
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"muh bat credit card" was always reddit garbage. >oh no, something silly happens in a movie that makes it clear it's not taking itself seriously since the very first minutes, look how smart I am for mocking that
B&R is shit, but Nostalgia homosexual-tier "criticism" is even worse.
The issue isn't that Bat Credit Card is a joke, it's that it's a bad joke.
What is supposed to be funny about it? It's just a lolsorandom bit that lasts a second, it's not a punchline (at least not a witty one) or sets one, it's just a rando thing that happens.
The only tiny bit about it is the 'Forever' callback and you can miss that easily in a blink.
At least Arnold's ice puns are sorta funny as a lame running gag, like Freeze is trying to pull boomer humor.
I watched the movie for the magazine I work for. It’s...something and I definitely think there will be a lot of criticism.
1) Jane does die after giving up being Thor, Hemsworth is 100% full force back at the end. Feel like people will shit on this just because female Thor was just a plot point.
2) Gorr was a horrible villain, just fricking what were they thinking. Especially his change of heart.
3) This movie felt like Ragnarok except directed by Uwe Boll. That’s my most accurate description.
They are standard MCU quipfest but there is simply a ridiculous amount of them. Almost every second sentence is a quip, aside Gorr scenes. Reminded me a bit of that Johnny Test cartoon and that is NOT a good thing.
>Gorr was a horrible villain, just fricking what were they thinking
The same they did about Raimi. Take someone who worked in a successful non- MCU cape movie and waste him like this.
Yeah hearing they were making Gorr the villain of this movie that was the final straw
The fact it's supposedly a tonal mess isn't anywhere close to surprising
Gorr is barely in it
What, is it just Ragnarok again? Where the main villain spends most of the movie sucking their thumb in a corner while Thor has to put up with some b***h?
>is it just Ragnarok again
It's Ragnarok but dialed up
>It's Ragnarok but dialed up
most of the trailers and images I saw were just the two c**ts. this movie just seems like "thor's mighty feminist queer icons" instead of an actual thor movie
Thor has to find himself. Again
This is, what, the fourth fricking time?
Fifth I think
What trailers were you watching? Thor is in alost every scene in all the trailers.
>More scene ruining quips
To be fair Gorr never loses in a fight like Hela
Hela didn't lose a fight until Surtr got pumped on on destiny.
Honestly, as bad as Ragnarok was, I actually enjoyed that part.
She should have lost to Thor.
I wonder if he had more material but it was cut in favor of giving She-Thor more screentime
Bale said a lot of his scenes were cut but I don't know why
Probably because Portman forced them to
Why does MCU keep fricking up its villains?
I don't even like Gorr, I'm just in the camp of "a hero is only as good as their villain" and it's annoying to see so many villains who are either shit or mistreated by writers.
I have no interest in this movie and I'm sure it will be shit but I think it's important to note that Journos will be bitter that Jane dies and Thor continues to be Thor and will continue to be Thor in the future as per Hemsworth saying he doesn't want to stop so I don't know if I would trust their judgement. I'm not trying to get political I swear it's just they were hyping this up as some kind of social win and now they don't really get that.
Jane is taking over they said
Confirmed spoilers dude she dies and she goes to Valhalla to rest while Thor lives. She is not taking over, she's not coming back. She's one and done.
How is Valhalla real? Have they ever delved into why these guys are the Norse gods? I know they threw out a pity “they’re aliens” ten years ago but I’m not sure we’ve ever got an in movie explanation as to why Asgard is what it is in relation to earth
Yeah, the comic it was based on, as bad as it eventually got, did establish the Asgardians were GODS, but Ragnarok made the normal Asgardians act like people.
The MCU tie in comic or are you talking about the Thor comics?
The Aaron run this is based off of. He established gods exist as sort creating and being created by the thoughts of mortals.
Gorr is mad because his gods were literal dicks who did nothing for his people.
>gods exist as sort creating and being created by the thoughts of mortals.
This is a really cool way to do it, but literally everyone does it.
I want a series where the Gods aren't aliens and they aren't thoughtforms - they're actual Gods.
Asgardians have been gods for way longer than that, Aaron didn't make it canon that they were genuine gods, they have been genuine gods for decades.
>I want a series where the Gods aren't aliens and they aren't thoughtforms - they're actual Gods.
They ARE, but they're also thoughtforms. They're living paradoxes. The Elder gods of the universe aren't thoughtforms, but when they died, it was the strong beliefs of mortals all across the universe including humans, who created the thousands upon thousands of pantheons by shaping that genuine divine energy. But they didn't just shape them, their beliefs made it so that the gods always existed to begin with, so that they influenced the mortals beliefs to begin with, hence living paradoxes. It's why Odin was around hundreds of millions of years ago in some comics, and why he still claims to have created humanity. It's actually quite likely he did have some hand in creating Germanic people, and other pantheons created the other human races.
>They're living paradoxes
actual cool concept
Sadly too complicated for the average Marvel fan who needed explanations for Endgame's time travel afterwards
Why do I think this will be enough for some people even if the rest of the film is shit?
I doubt it. But I do think if it is somehow good reviews will be very tainted because they don't get femThor forever. Also she doesn't seem to do that much as Thor. Hemsworth seems to have most of the action setpieces to himself with the exception of the final battle.
They should have known that Natalie Portman is a c**t that was just going to do this once and frick off. Should have given the hammer to Kat Dennings.
I saw the youtube vid that had a couple clips of the movie, and it was literally just nonstop MArvel quips.
The trailer gave me cringe vibes. That nude scene. Cringe.
Tonal disaster how?
I mean Gorr's scenes in the comic were pretty grimdark, he's basically a god serial killer.
Combining that with wacky australian silly times and I can see the tone whiplash.
Also a lot of Gorr's scenes were cut for intruding on the wacky theme
Yeah, I doubt we'd have the outright horror scene of Gorr torturing Thor in the cave.
Or the oh shit moment of Thor taking up the Necrosword and making Gorr into a crying b***h as he looms over him like Jason Vorhees.
>god serial killer
I think it would have been funny to throw in some American Psycho references and themes to Gorr, considering it's Bale playing him. It wouldn't be faithful to the comics, but it would be less tonal whiplash and it'd be hot with the zoomers.
Imagine Gorr doing a Hip to Be Square scene with Zeus.
Not seeing it then.
Wow we’re watching the MCU die in real time
You're not, it'll probably do great despite being a piece of shit.
So does Star Wars. Does that mean the franchise is still good?
Star Wars being dumped to streaming isn't an indicator of the franchise doing well
Disney is even struggling to get people in that moronic ass Star Wars hotel
To add context, Star Wars Clone Wars movie was released in theatres in 2008, the intention was to make big hit release after big hit release like how they released Rogue One and Solo inbetween mainline movie, two separate teams of creators under one umbrella. And now yeah it's streamed tv shows on a level below Ozark. Episode a week for 14 weeks is not the type of content the big names want, it's beneath big movie events, and the push for streaming over theaters is just cope from falling names.
>Star Wars being dumped to streaming isn't an indicator of the franchise doing well
Cinemas are crap. Ultilities and rents are huge. They make frick all money and overcharge for food. So many people watch content at home now anyways. The context is completely different to how it was in the past. Streaming cuts out the middle man completely. They want more stuff than ever. They want everything to be like the MCU and make money and produce shit loads more content and having it exclusively on your subscription service. There is literally a streaming war going on right now.
>like how they released Rogue One and Solo inbetween mainline movie
Originally the plan was main movies + spin off movie to kind of replicate how Marvel was putting out multiple movies a year. TLJ and Solo had a backlash and the Executive speak blamed Star Wars fatigue even though the issue was TLJ was divisive and Solo had so many production issues and reshoots it needed a huge amount of money to break even. These shows were put on the backburner. So they wanted to build up slowly again. Mandalorian tested the waters, did well so they greenlit all these things to be shows now for that service. And now there is more talk of future SW movies again. Don't get me wrong, I hate modern SW and it isn't doing well and like you said, that hotel and the theme park mismanagement has been hilarious. But streaming is what everyone is going into now and isn't indicative of a bad franchise on its own. The franchise isn't doing well because despite big budgets or bringing actors back they write painfully bland stories that miss the mark. But for some people that is enough because bland but enjoyable stories just get them prepared for the next slop. And that is a perfect strategy for a subscription service.
Seen the writing on the wall and want to get ahead of the trend of hating it.
I suspect it'll be one of these things still liked by most audiences.
The only thing that worked was the Mandalorian (and Kenndy still did her best to sabotage it) and yes, streaming works fine for movies under $100 million but anything above that, sorry, they really need theatres.
>The only thing that worked was the Mandalorian
Mandalorian worked because of simple theme and simple episodes. Of course they fricked it up because they want to spin everything off of it.
>but anything above that, sorry, they really need theatres.
Maybe you misread my post, I am not saying that theatres are completely buried, they do need them to a large extent still, but the way you talk about streaming = a franchise not doing well feels kind of archaic because the landscape for entertainment has changed. That was the point I was making.
SW isn't doing well because the producers at hand are under pressure to create another MCU but are missing the mark. I mean frick WB wants to fix its DC universe films and keeps fricking up, Sony keeps trying to do a Spider-Man universe (its first attempt failed- AMS2 and now it is trying again), Universal wanted a Dark Universe, Sony wanted a Ghostbuster universe. They can't find that formula that worked for the MCU and fit it to their universes without getting greedy or being divisive.
What’s sad about Star Wars is that they had the easiest job in the world, this thing literally sells itself and they had to go and frick it up with The Last Jedi and more importantly by not taking the time to plan the sequel trilogy from the start.
Things will get better if Kennedy goes but it probably won’t generate as much money from the start unless they go and promote the next movie as overwriting the sequel trilogy.
>taking the time to plan the sequel trilogy from the start.
That's not really true. They had all the directors lined up from the start and scriptwriting/pre-production on TLJ overlapped production of TFA. Their real problems were not having a backup plan in place when Trevorrow didn't deliver on Episode 9's script and letting Johnson end TLJ in a way that pretty much required a reset button.
Anon, if you are writing a trilogy to follow after something as important as Star Wars you well fricking plan the three movies well in advance, nothing about planning the sequel right while the first film is actively being produced and not yet finished. Trevorrow left because The Last Jedi script didn’t let him do anything and judging from Rise of Skywalker he wasn’t wrong. Who in their right fricking mind would accept The Last Jedi as a script let alone let Johnson do whatever the frick he pleases?
>Disney is even struggling to get people in that moronic ass Star Wars hotel
That's more because of the cost than anything
In general Galaxy's Edge has had a shit loads of problems. It opened with so few rides and new one taking ages to develop. They focused on the sequel period for contractual reasons which was also less popular than doing the OT or prequels. Combine the huge development cost and the huge prices. And this was even before covid or the cost of living crisis.
Who said anything about being good? You don't have to be good to be alive.
"good" is subjective and the execs don't care about your opinion. If it profits it's good.
Sure but this is how it starts. I said dying not completely dead. If the honeymoon phase is wearing off for journos it’s only a matter of time. A Marvel film was basically guaranteed to get AT LEAST 80% on RT. Externals was the first crack and this seems like the second.
People have been saying that forever. I feel like Marvel will always be okay so long as they can trick enough people into hyping the next movie as it'll be better.
I mean frick there was a whole bullshit video essay by a dude coping "Okay Phase 4 kind of sucks and nobody cares about any of the new people but....it's really gonna pay off when Secret Wars happens.
Transformers was basically this despite the awful reviews they get. It was only when they tries to change things with Age of Extinction that they started to actually bom .
Anon, don't be stupid, absolutely no movie genre ever has stayed as the king of the hill forever and ever. Capeshit won't be different in that regard.
Streaming is fool's gold, companies are free to make their own numbers and even so Disney has to admit Disney Plus won't make a profit until 2024 at earliest.
Disney in general has been fricking villains over for a long while now, the animated movies haven't had decent ones in a while, either.
>Streaming is fool's gold
Of course it is. It is the latest gimmick they are rushing head first into. No where did I deny that. Simply saying that the landscape of entertainment has changed.
>Okay Phase 4 kind of sucks and nobody cares about any of the new people but....it's really gonna pay off when Secret Wars happens.
My favourite thing about this is that it's really only normies saying this and getting excited for Secret fricking Wars. I've not seen anyone on here who wants Secret Wars, and certainly not any time soon
You guys have been saying this since Age of Ultron. Everyone was saying the cracks were showing then and that it was only a matter of time before the MCU collapsed. Then we got Infinity War and Endgame becoming box office juggernaughts.
Nah it'll make billions, probably break all records, but ultimately be forgotten.
I love wacky dumb shit so I'll probably enjoy it.
There's been a lot of negative reactions since it was screened for film critics. Sounds like it might even get below 60 on RT. Imagine the seething.
I honestly feel bad for hemsworth
Why? Does anyone really expect the 4th movie in a series to be good? He still got paid.
Maybe I just feel bad for Thor
It's disingenuous to split the movies when they don't stand on their own. This isn't a 4th entry; it's a 29th entry.
Even if you only count the movies Thor played an active role on theres still quite a bit.
Lmao don't. He's in the having fun with being a sellout stage of his career still. Sure he never cut it as a legitimate actor, he's getting paid like he's just a few steps down from Tom Cruise and Christian Bale instead of begging for scraps. He can say that he was a main character in a Ghostbusters movie and treat his job like a vacation with other charismatic people. Wait till he's down as a unwanted 50 year old before you start to kick him if he hasn't learned yet.
Motherfricker is almost universally praised as the one funny thing about Ghostbusters. A film made to showcase female comedians. And he is the best thing about it.
He's a roider who plays the same character every time. I mean he is fine as a character actor but other than that, i don't really feel bad for millionaires
Many will probably say it didn't do well because of "sexists" or something like that
It doesn’t really work with Marvel movies, believe me, they tried. Eternals pretty much ensured that excuse will never work past Captain Marvel.
I have a feeling MCU fans are going the way of Snyder fans where it'll be:
>Critics are all wrong but I liked it.
>Critics are out of touch shills.
Route.
Well, this movie just moved up to day 1 for me, then.
Gotta watch the shit show
Why are critics turning on MCU movies now?
Tbh ever since Black Widow, Marvel has been doing pretty moronic things that didn’t work in the comics and sure as hell won’t work with casual audiences. And then there’s Taskmaster.
There was no reason to keep going after endgame
Bland origin movies, divisive films and streaming shows. For every single film people have been waiting for the dam to burst; talking about superhero fatigue or how it is ruining cinema and people want to point somewhere and say "This is when it started, I was right!" If you keep saying it, one day you will be right.
>Seen the writing on the wall and want to get ahead of the trend of hating it.
This.
>Why does MCU keep fricking up its villains?
Because Marvel films suffer painfully with villain shorthand as in, they don't want to devote huge parts of the movies to the villains and their motivations. Often villains end up connected to the heroes because it is easy to explain why they hate them. Their formulas often rely more on hero characterisation e.g. does anyone care about Iron Man villains? No, they like RDJ as Iron Man.
Disney has been bleeding money since covid, they can't afford to pay them off anymore.
If Marvel and Star Wars start to get wobbly, what does Disney even do? They've taken hits over and over, AND they've managed to get half the country pissed off at them for political reasons.
Kind of seems like these days the House of Mouse is in a precarious position, on multiple fronts.
They're feeling the fatigue of having to keep up with 6 shows and 4 films a year
Because none of it "matters" anymore. Before it was all building towards something and now it isn't. What was the point of Wandavision when she learnt nothing and so Dr Strange happened?
Why the frick did they think that Bendis Scarlet Witch was the thing they should adapt into movies? People have been b***hing about that for ages and lo and behold, it’s like Avengers Disassembled all over again.
Because all this shit now feels made by algorithms. House of M is widely known because every click bait site mentions it with every Scarlet Witch post. And then people go onto Youtube and watch a video about House of M or read a wiki (far more than actually read an actual comic).
I'm assuming Civil War and NWH being a success went to their heads and they thought they could "salvage" it the same way.
Avengers Disassembled is "Avengers are lame and need Spider-Man, Wolverine, and all my childhood favorites showing up so I'll make Scarlet Witch evil and insane to kill off all those loser Avengers." There is nothing fundamentally there because it's a mean-spirited bloodbath done for shock value, plus CA:CW is basically MCU Avengers Disassembled. House of M isn't even a Wanda story. It's a Wolverine story.
I can't really complain about Galaxy's Edge too much considering I love Dinoland, USA and that place is basically fricking nothing, but there is zero reason why a place that small has five gift shops. GE needs a layout overhaul; with the stunt show removed all of that space is wasted, the stage show area is a large amount of empty space (admittedly it's also used for excess queue capacity), they need to add more seating to the cantina, and add in some non E-ticket attraction.
I dunno, but they're going to keep adapting Bendis shit anyway
People want xmen and everything feels like filler until then
Even the shills aren't shameless enough to praise their products despite how absolutely bottom-of-the-barrel they've gotten.
>twitter thread
Why should I ever care about the opinion of a critic though?
https://twitter.com/HollywoodInToto
>contributor to Daily Wire
Kino incoming.
This is all on Feige.
Too much shit on his plate.
Seems to be letting the movie directors be auteurs in this phase instead of reigning them in like before.
He's letting them make big swings and be more risky because he needs a breakout hero or team out of these intentionally WOKE c to d listers.
So far only Shang Chi was the only one that sort of caught on.
Other than Loki (pre WOKE character) his MCU streaming side is in pure shambles.
Everyone has went after how bad Ms Marvel is currently doing but Moon Knight actually did worse and they're burying that fact under the rug.
She-Hulk could be the next breakout hit though depending on how good the episodes are.
Hawkeye was a good show. It’s an Ant-Man situation, low box office but good characters with potential.
You think Shang Chi caught on?
It didn’t but it’s the best Phase 4 film so far outside if No Way Home and that one is carried by Sony stuff so it doesn’t count as much.
>She-Hulk could be the next breakout hit though depending on how good the episodes are.
Don't get your hopes up
Who is Christian Toto?
Ragnarok was a tonal disaster too and everyone but me seems to love it. Even from the trailers you can feel the tonal whiplash.
Man of Steel was a tonal disaster. Ragnarok was finally getting the tone right after the first 2 Thor movies. Fite me.
The world does not want "Serious Norse Adventures". Don't believe me? Check the Norseman's box office again chudmeisters.
Lack of black supporting characters did Norseman in. It's too white for the current world.
Nah, if people want to see white people savagely killing other white people for raisins, they can turn on the nightly news. People don't want that bleak shit in their movies.
Thor and Thor 2 were good you moronic history revisionist.
Thor was boring in the first two movies. Hiddleston salvaged both of them.
Nah. He was based.
I refuse to let anyone do Thor 2 revisionism. Nothing about it is memorable. Worst MCU film by a country mile.
It isn’t nearly as bad as it’s made to be. Normies certainly weren’t upset.
Worst MCU films are Age of Ultron and MCU Spidey solo movies. And I’d say Eternals but that may very well stop being canon soon.
>And I’d say Eternals but that may very well stop being canon soon.
Yeah it's so bad it's not canon. That's a great way for the MCU not to have a bad film and people like you will go along with rhat
>Normies certainly weren’t upset.
only because it came out before the MCU became the cultural juggernaut it is today.
Anon, it came after Avengers and did quite well.
It’s for the best if they make it not canon, it’s fricks up their own universe so hard.
>Check the Norseman's box office again chudmeisters.
Norseman's issue isn't serious Norse adventures don't work, it is that it is a niche arty movie with too high a budget. You could make a serious Norse revenge movie with the same budget and have it be successful if it was full of action.
The first Thor looks weird compared to the other Phase 1 films. The wide shots and dutch angles. Kenneth Branagh wanted it to be like a Shakespearean melodrama. Dark World was just bland because it had some of the worst excesses of modern Marvel, the side characters were bad, the villain's stories was mostly cut and it was just bad. Ragnorak needed a different tone but went too far in the opposite direction.
I partly feel like Thor got some of the worst of it in in terms of production. Like the Sif actress got injured and was basically written out. Warriors Three were nobodies and killed off. So much good stuff that added depth was constantly cut out.
Thor The Dark World was kinda bland. Christopher Ecclestone complained a lot of his scenes were cut. Like a scene where Odin's father kills Malekith's family.
Kat Dennings whole character was fricking attrocious in that film.
>First third of the movie between Earth and Asgard doing frick all but letting Odin poof away to introduce Hela from out the movie's butthole
>Hopping between Planet Hulk to gather up all the new characters Director Kiwi wanted, and Asgard so that he can begin culling the old cast he doesn't
>All while undercutting serious moments with ill timed jokes and jamming in maudlin shit for unearned character arcs
Nah it's a mess
Thor 1 was okay, Thor 2 was boring as frick
That's a lot of words to say "I am moronic"
Just came here to say Frick what they did to the Warriors 3.
didn't hela kill them?
Why did they waste Ray Stevenson so badly? He deserves better.
Wasn't Volstagg to be fat as frick?
Thor 1: meaningless, stake-less CGI battles, terrible romance, everyone in plastic-looking toy armor except Thor and Odin, Hiddleston is the only reason to watch it.
Thor 2: Villains never fleshed out enough to make anyone care, stupid comedy side-kicks, more shitty romance, final battle is a slight improvement.
Ragnarok: Odin is offed as actor is tired of this shit. Characters the audience does not care about die off (pissing off Thor nerds). Better villain with at least a modicum of motive, better CGI, romance is ditched for bromance, Hulk vs Thor, humor is very hit-or-miss.
All-in-all the superior movie.
the dogshit with fewer flies around it is still dogshit
What an utterly worthless opinion. It's like fortune-cookie sayings from a microcephalic.
>Actor literally fleeing the movie
>Writer lazily culls characters they don't want
>Villain's motive is literally "I want to kill the universe because it's what I want" which is the same exact as the last.
>CGI isn't as old as the last movies, but will probably age just as poorly
>Bromance with new annoying comedy sidekicks
>Hulk vs Thor, a joke that was finished in Avengers 1 and is just stale now
>Humor is more miss than hit
All in All it's just Guardians of the Galaxy: Thor Edition
>All in All it's just Guardians of the Galaxy: Thor Edition
Yes, that was the point, make Thor more similar to the immensely marketable GotG franchise, THEN team him up with them.
I mean it's jarring because Thor has NEVER had weird adventures in outer space ever, but it works.
>pissing off thor nerds
I'm pretty comics casul(read maybe a few thousand issues, didn't collect comics growing up) and even I dropped mcu by 2015. anyone who cares about the original lore stopped paying attention to that tire fire.
Yes we know, these threads are always 90% populated by people who don't care about the MCU and don't watch the movies anymore.
Every single time. Next MCU thread, I'll just take it as a given that you don't care about the MCU.
So is there anything Gay in this movie?
Did they make Jane and Valkyrie lesbians like Twitter was telling me they would be?
Has Twitter EVER steered you wrong??
Idk. They put gays in Lightyear and Baymax so I'm just wondering if Marvel is allowing gays now?
Eternals had gay on gay kissing full at center.
Honestly black fat gay was more likable than most of the cast so of course he is the next to last to join.
Apparently Korg has a daughter with another man, but that is comic accurate
Also Valkyrie is bisexual, but i doubt it will be addressed in the film, she's looking for her "queen" but from what i heard that plot doesn't go anywhere
Why can't these movies just make an actual fun adventure? Thor movies have to constantly imply that fun adventuring happened between movies instead of showing it.
So a critic says it's bad? That means it's KINO AF.
Never listen to critics, enjoy what you want.
So uuhh.... who destroyed the planet in the trailer and why?
i guess it was jane or thor for the electricity, but why would a hero destroy a planet?
I fricking hate ''Marvel humor''
despite Whedon being bad icky man they sure love to copy and paste his style of humor all the time with the random one liners and quips.
I think Thor has it the worst, since the entire character is a joke now cause people think the first 2 movies were super serious all the time or some shit and Endgame/Ragnarok making him full goofball is too much especially Fat Thor just what were they thinking
It’s impressive though, the only movies that have come close to imitating Whedon’s craptastic humor are the solo Spider-Man movies, everyone else can’t tell jokes or write dialogue as bad as he does it. It’s astounding.
That's a great compliment.
REACTION TO THOR 4 IN A NUTSHELL, written by Mel Brooks
>Christian Toto
This shit depresses me. Thor 4 is the MCU movie I've been looking forward to the most for a long time. Thor is my favorite Marvel character and a movie about Gorr the God Butcher, and other gods from other pantheons had me so excited. The first trailers made me really excited, so it sucks reading all this shit about the comedy being too much, and Gorr barely being in it, and having an anti-climatic ending.
Casual fans and dumb Americans loved the LOL SILLY KIWIS BREW shit in Ragnarok - will this go over similarly well considering critics are just saying it's Ragnarok 2.0?
>way more Batman and Robin
Based. Campkino.
>it will be a gay flop but Cinemaphile will love it 20 years later
MARVEL ALWAYS WINS
I liked Batman and Robin
Old Cinemaphile movie criticism
>A BAT CREDIT CARD AHHHHHH
Nu Cinemaphile movie criticism
>Zero stars cause I saw a gay person, I hope the Taliban buys Disney. Please like fave and subscribe to the WOKE WATCH and subscribe to my official WOKE WATCH testosterone supplements and donate to our Patreon and Substack and my divorce GoFundMe
"muh bat credit card" was always reddit garbage.
>oh no, something silly happens in a movie that makes it clear it's not taking itself seriously since the very first minutes, look how smart I am for mocking that
B&R is shit, but Nostalgia homosexual-tier "criticism" is even worse.
The issue isn't that Bat Credit Card is a joke, it's that it's a bad joke.
What is supposed to be funny about it? It's just a lolsorandom bit that lasts a second, it's not a punchline (at least not a witty one) or sets one, it's just a rando thing that happens.
The only tiny bit about it is the 'Forever' callback and you can miss that easily in a blink.
At least Arnold's ice puns are sorta funny as a lame running gag, like Freeze is trying to pull boomer humor.
I watched the movie for the magazine I work for. It’s...something and I definitely think there will be a lot of criticism.
1) Jane does die after giving up being Thor, Hemsworth is 100% full force back at the end. Feel like people will shit on this just because female Thor was just a plot point.
2) Gorr was a horrible villain, just fricking what were they thinking. Especially his change of heart.
3) This movie felt like Ragnarok except directed by Uwe Boll. That’s my most accurate description.
Are the jokes really as bad as some critics are saying?
They are standard MCU quipfest but there is simply a ridiculous amount of them. Almost every second sentence is a quip, aside Gorr scenes. Reminded me a bit of that Johnny Test cartoon and that is NOT a good thing.
>Reminded me a bit of that Johnny Test cartoon and that is NOT a good thing.
Jesus, that's pretty bad
*whipcrack*
>sweaty
>pits
>Gorr was a horrible villain, just fricking what were they thinking
The same they did about Raimi. Take someone who worked in a successful non- MCU cape movie and waste him like this.
Thor 1 was a little slow but at least took itself seriously. When the frick did Thor become the whacky comedy semi loser of the MCU?
so a bendis comic but live action? got it.
>they cut all the Valkyrie gay shit out of the movie
lmao i remember when they couldn't stop talking about it in 2019.