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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The MCU is dying, capeshit is dying

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >capeshit is dying

      kinda sad, they had potential as some nice action blockbusters with interesting lore

      intstead they got pimped out in the most saccharine, banal fashion

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >capeshit is dying

      kinda sad, they had potential as some nice action blockbusters with interesting lore

      intstead they got pimped out in the most saccharine, banal fashion

      Eh, I'll still watch it, always have watched it, I don't need the normies to continue bandwagoning.

      Besides there's no other reason for me to see a movie I'm tgeatres unless it's horror or something
      Artsy indie shit is for the streets

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >le superhero fatigue memem
      More like shit quality fatigue, these movies have zero effort and are written like shit compared to most p1 movies.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        massive humongous cope, superhero films will do fine and it is pure insanity to think mass audiences will just all of a sudden never watch another superhero movie again because one was subpar

        >n-no akshually the trending fad that has lasted as long as westerns and noir at this point isn't fading superheroes will just last forever!
        Projection

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      massive humongous cope, superhero films will do fine and it is pure insanity to think mass audiences will just all of a sudden never watch another superhero movie again because one was subpar

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >B+
      I don't know what's funnier, the fact that you think a B+ is "dying" or that CinemaScore hands out so many A's that a B+ is a notable event.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        To get less than a B a film would have to horribly offend people or falsely advertise itself. B+ is not good for an attempted crowdpleaser.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Hands out? Cinemascore is based on audience perception. And yes, worse Cinemascore almost always leads to worse financial legs.
        B+ isn't a death sentence but it's not good either and certainly not on par for the MCU. When Batman, a three hour pitch black grimdark movie, polls better with audiences than a supposedly "fun and lighthearted" movie something is very wrong.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          To get less than a B a film would have to horribly offend people or falsely advertise itself. B+ is not good for an attempted crowdpleaser.

          Alright ladies, so lay it out; what's a "failure" box office for this movie? You've carried on about audience scores like you're proud to have contributed to something, but what's the cut-off for Thor 4 to be a "failure"?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Making less money than Doctor Strange 2 isn't a good sign, and that seems to be what's happening.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Is it?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                See here

                Thor 4 did $70M on Friday compared to $90M for Multiverse of Madness. Without cameos to draw people in and mediocre word of mouth expect a higher drop off too.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                So it's going to beat Ragnarok but not Strange 2?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Is it making less than Strange? Yes.

                Yes, yes, but Disney isn't trying to graduate High School as valedictorian, so what's the "bad money total".

                Are you some kind of moron? Bad audience reactions lead to a lower box office. Marvel wanted a big summer crowd pleaser and that isn't what they got. I'm not going to tell you it's going to bomb because Marvel and Thor have too much brand loyalty for that but it won't make anywhere near what it could have.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Don't look at it like school grading because it's more like this
        >A+ "wow that was great!
        >A "That was good"
        >A- "That was OK"
        And anything after that is bad.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Yes, yes, but Disney isn't trying to graduate High School as valedictorian, so what's the "bad money total".

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Thank god. Can we go back to good Cinemaphile

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It didn’t die; it ended. Phase Four is a glorified epilogue.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Cinema is dying

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      We just had a 2 billion Spider-Man movie, a 1 billion Dr Strange movie, we are still in the peak of capeshit popularity, just as high as it was in Endgame.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >2 billion Spider-Man movie
        >1 billion Dr Strange movie
        Lol you wish

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >2 billion Spider-Man movie
        Sony movie and it featured Tobey Maguire and the return of OG trilogy villains
        >1 billion Dr Strange movie
        It didn't get to a billion, it dropped hard the second week, it had very poor legs and the reason it opened so big was because everyone expected another NWH, didn't happen, reviews were lackluster and so was audience response, plus Top Gun made more money in less time, that's not good

        Also you ignore how shit the shows have been viewership wise, and movies like Shang Chi and Eternals which didn't do great at the box office

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      more like people are tired that capeshit aren't serious. it's all jokes and ruining a serious moment with a snark becuse god forbid the manchildren have to see a mature take on death or conflict

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    For anyone who isn't aware how bad that is it's the same score as Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman 84

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      The movie is definitely going to have terrible legs. Tom Cruise remains victorious.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I wouldn't say this is as bad as Suicide squad, but it's definitely on par with WW84.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Seems like the critics are being overly kind then. Was it really that bad?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Almost as bad. Thor is a literal joke. Jane, the gimmick character the movie was based around, literally does nothing. Pacing is all over the place. Most of the jokes (and the movie is nothing but jokes) don't land. CGI is mediocre most of the times. Gorr is on screen for 10 minutes at most. The emotional moments are extremely awkward and feel out of place because everything before them was a comedy. The only positives I can give the movie is that SOME of the jokes are funny, the fight scenes range from alright to good, and that Jane didn't replace or upstage Thor at all.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Having watched both L&T and WW84, no WW84 is miles worse. If anything it shows how inflated the movie scores for Suicide Squad and WW84 were.

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Carol and T'Challa still undefeated

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    OH NO

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Thor 4 will probably do better box office than this though.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Lmao dude JWD is either going to hit or be a sliver away from hitting a billion
        Thor 4 is opening to far less than DS2 and has the same Cinemascore. Unless something unexpected happens it's not coming close to Dominion

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It's not any good either but it's not suffering from MCU fatigue.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        id say the only movie that has actually done way below expectations was Eternals and its funny because it suffered from no cameos, no recognizable names, and no overarching MCU narrative. So clearly... not even capeshit fatigue.

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Thor 4 did $70M on Friday compared to $90M for Multiverse of Madness. Without cameos to draw people in and mediocre word of mouth expect a higher drop off too.

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    They should release the 4 hour Taika cut.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Taika keeps claiming this was all his doing but the original cut was actually directed by James Wan

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Who's to blame for? Feige?

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    These are the films that got a B+ Cinemascore

    Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness
    Spider-Man 3
    Amazing Spider-Man 2
    Thor
    X-Men Origins: Wolverine
    X-Men First Class
    V For Vendetta
    Superman Returns
    Justice League (theatrical version)
    Joker
    Wonder Woman 1984
    Birds of Prey
    Suicide Squad
    The Suicide Squad

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      So a whole big pile of shit

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        financially? no

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I wasn't talking financially but there's more than a few bombs and underperformers there

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >financially? no
          >TASM2
          >X-Men Origins
          >Superman Returns
          >Josstice League
          >WW84
          >Birds of Prey
          >TSS
          All of these were either financially modest or absolute franchise killers.

          [...]
          Alright ladies, so lay it out; what's a "failure" box office for this movie? You've carried on about audience scores like you're proud to have contributed to something, but what's the cut-off for Thor 4 to be a "failure"?

          Unknown. A drop from Ragnarok would be an obvious failure. Not living up to DS2 (a certainty at this point) would be another indicator. And if it somehow falls below Batman then something is obviously wrong.
          If your barometer for success is just "did it turn a profit" then you already know it's going to succeed. But there are other dimensions for comparison. Flash back to Thor The Dark World. That movie made a profit, but if it was truly a success, then the MCU wouldn't have completely swung Thor in a different direction immediately after.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I never mentioned a barometer of anything, I just don't put stock in critics or audience scoring sites.
            I remember when you didn't either.
            Apparently your need for "wokeness" to fail changed your mind?

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              What are you talking about? You asked about what constitutes a box office failure for the movie.
              >I remember when you didn't either.
              Me? When was that? Are you implying I somehow think the box office is indicative of quality? Blade Runner 2049 is one of my favorite movies of the last 10 years and is a box office failure. The Suicide Squad is probably in my top five comic book movies of the last 10 years and was a box office failure too.
              >Apparently your need for "wokeness" to fail changed your mind?
              Huh?

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >Apparently your need for "wokeness" to fail changed your mind?
              You're just putting words in his mouth now

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Oh well nm, forgive me, I totally misread the mood of the board.

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Why is phase 4 just shit movie after shit movie?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      remember when people kept saying they were tired of always tying in MCU movie to an overarching narrative but that ultimately being the narrative focus that made all the pre-endgame movies enjoyable?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      More directors are putting their style and mark on movies but they clash with studio demands probably. Their upcoming stuff probably doesn’t have this issue as much besides maybe Gunn who has a lot of say in his movie.

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Take a minute, think hard on it if you need to.

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Answer: i looked into cam version. Middle, zeus twirling a lightnong, while thor is chained up. Two shots one of whor sitting on a throne, next one is valkyre sitting in a similar throne. Then a revelation. "Surely main antagonist will not be able to borrow power from an undefeatable neutral entity, because we say so without any base and shit. "

    Yupp there it is, zero agency, down to the level of the script writers enforcing it.

  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Help me Thor Odinson...You're my only hope

  13. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    what the frick is cinemascore?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      James Rolfe's website.

  14. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    yes anon everything is a flop

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      If it can match Ragnarok with China closed and minus it's 110 million, I think Disney will feel pretty good about it.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        If

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Yes, that is what I am saying.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Ragnarok made $123 Million in 2017 dollars, which is apparently $147 Million in today's money. Love and Thunder is tracking just under that, I don't know that the China thing matters unless they expect that market to open up again in the future.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          We aren't confusing ticket price inflation with dollar inflation again are we? Because they truly aren't the same figure and I feel you are (again).

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >We aren't confusing ticket price inflation with dollar inflation again are we?
            If money is worth less now than 5 years ago then surely that matters to a companies profits. I doesn't matter how many people actually buy tickets.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Perhaps, but that's not what ticket price inflation is, it's a comparison of average ticket prices.
              You're using the wrong math here.

              Spider-Verse and Black Panther got A+ cinemascore, I guess they are toppest tier modern classics?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I can't speak for Black Panther but Spider-verse is leagues better than Love and Thunder

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >I guess they are toppest tier modern classics?
                Financially? Yeah both those movies were absurdly good performers
                Just recently Top Gun got an A+ and is outright dabbing on everyone even now, that thing is going to make 700M domestic

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Spider-Verse Anon, the cartoon, not Tom Holland.
                It performed terribly.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                It made nearly 4x it's budget, Satan. It opened poorly because people didn't know what to make of it but going on to make 190mil domestically after a 35mil opening shows great word of mouth. The sequel is going to do huge numbers

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >It made nearly 4x it's budget, Satan.
                Wait, now we are into multiples? Is this how Shazam! did great?
                And it was the lowest grossing Spider-anything to hit theaters in, forever. And let's not act like the bar for animated features is that pitiful.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >Wait, now we are into multiples?
                Are you going to pretend budgets aren't important? Shazam made less than Eternals at the box office but one was profitable and the other was not

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I don't consider the entire year that the Eternals came out to be relevant to anything. Theaters were doing shit until 2021 was almost over.
                Shang-Chi, Black Widow and yes, Eternals were all in the top 6 domestic movies that year, because that whole year sucked until late winter.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                In fact until NWH came out in December, Shang-Chi was the #1 movie at the domestic box office, let that sink in. 2020 was even less relevant.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >Is this how Shazam! did great?
                Bruh, Shazam opened much higher and grossed much lower
                Shazam did not do great, but it survived given its budget

                [...]
                You really seem to stretch the meaning of success a great deal for "thing I like",
                and set a pretty high bar for "thing I am against".

                Lol what? If Thor gets the same legs as Spider-Verse it will literally make 750 million+ and become one of the top 10 highest grossers of all time
                It won't (because the movie is bad) but if it somehow does have good legs then it'll absolutely be a success

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >It made nearly 4x it's budget, Satan.
                Wait, now we are into multiples? Is this how Shazam! did great?
                And it was the lowest grossing Spider-anything to hit theaters in, forever. And let's not act like the bar for animated features is that pitiful.

                C'mon lay off Shazam. I'm surprised it made any money at since Endgame tickets went on sale the day before it released. WB really put it in a death slot

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >they put Shazam 2 next to Avatar 2 again
                WB is literally smoking crack when it comes to this franchise

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                If it has a similar budget to the first film it wasn't such a bad move. Better that takes the hit than Aquaman

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Aquaman's biggest hit will be if Xi maintains diffidence towards American films, or if their lockdown is still a thing.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                You know even without China money Aquaman still would have made over 800mil? It would have made more with no China money than Ragnarok did keeping it's Chinabux. There's this false narrative that the Chinese saved that film that doesn't hold up

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                No, I'm not saying that, Aquaman is easily the DCEU's biggest success, a true success.
                But it would be a huge hit to the sequel's potential if it doesn't get a wide release in China for one of those 2 reasons.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Tho the original Skwad rivals it. I still don't believe how well it did, there's zero chance Thor is worse than what Skwad was butchered into.
                Power of the Joker I guess...

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I fully expected Aquaman 2 to make a huge pile of money come what may via the foreign markets, but it's honestly amazing how much WB has shat on their own brand with all the Amber Heard shit.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Oh right my bad, No Way Home was the A+ Cinemascore Spider-Man movie with ridiculously good performance
                >It performed terribly.
                Did it? Domestically it opened with 35M and legged it out to 190M domestic
                That's a sign that people weren't interested in the movie to begin with but it had a lot of staying power in spite of that

                You really seem to stretch the meaning of success a great deal for "thing I like",
                and set a pretty high bar for "thing I am against".

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Oh right my bad, No Way Home was the A+ Cinemascore Spider-Man movie with ridiculously good performance
                >It performed terribly.
                Did it? Domestically it opened with 35M and legged it out to 190M domestic
                That's a sign that people weren't interested in the movie to begin with but it had a lot of staying power in spite of that

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                cruise's scam church paid off theaters.

  15. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >I didn't say it was a flop, I said it made less money

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      You really are an idiot if you don't understand. It's like how BvS wasn't a flop but it sure as frick didn't live up to it's potential either.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        BvS featured the 3 biggest characters in the DCEU, with 13 movies about them beforehand.
        Yes, if an Iron Man/Thor/Cap movie did sub billion it would have been a disappoint by phase 2-3. Thor and....Jane is not really comparable.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        yet the future of the MCU is not riding on Thor doing good. that's the difference between Love and thunder and BvS

  16. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    IT FLOPPED OK?!

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Find somebody in this thread who called it a flop. Seems like everyone was talking about the quality and you turned it into financials because it's the one area where it won't completely fail.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Not him, but a B+ and Ragnarok money is a "complete failure"?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          B+ is shit

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            It's what Strange 2 and Northman got...
            I didn't see anyone carrying on about Strange 2's cinemascore.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >Northman out of nowhere
              I know what fight you're itching for and I'm not going to give it to you

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                It's not out of nowhere, it's a movie from this year that got a B+. I just know that noone on this board cares about the score of the Northman, at all.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >I just know that noone on this board cares about the score of the Northman, at all.
                Because this is Cinemaphile and it has nothing to do with comic or cartoons? Did you get lost on your way to Cinemaphile?

  17. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    flippity floppity flop

  18. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >NOOOOO YOU CANT JUST MAKE A COMEDY
    >I NEED THOR 4 TO BE SERIOUS AND DEEP AND EMOTIONAL

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Ragnarok literally got an A
      This movie is just terrible

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It's fine to make a comedy as long as it's funny. Love and Thunder isn't funny, I say this as someone who liked Ragnarok.

  19. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    WHEN I SAY "IT" YOU SAY "FLOPPED"

    IT

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Flopped!

  20. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Mark Kermode already said everything that needs to be said about this "movie", if you can even call it that.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >"Yes, there are LGBTQ+ subplots, that should be a minimum requirement.."
      Yeah gg.

  21. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It's down to 67% on RT, only just above The Dark World.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      And it's got another 130 or so reviews to go if it gets the same amount as MoM. It could still go rotten. It's mirroring the slide WW84 had almost perfectly

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >It could still go rotten
        No, for that to happen less than 50 of those 130 or so reviews would have to be fresh. That's not going to happen.

  22. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Kek, this really worked the Marvelcucks into a shaking seethe

  23. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    > Sony is the only thing saving phase 4 from being shit.
    Its crazy how the tables have tured. Feige is going to need advice from Amy soon. Its crazy how Spider-Man was on life support and is the biggest MCU hero.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Sony is the only thing saving phase 4 from being shit.
      I know right, thank god for Morbius

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Have sex

  24. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    rapeape is how

  25. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    happy to see audiences falling out of love with the MCU. Feige's been spreading himself too thin with the billions of TV shows, movies, and theme park shit coming out each year. he needs to go back to just focusing on films and then maybe we'll reach the heights of Phase 3 again someday

  26. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It will still going to make bank. I would like to see the end of cape movies but sadly Marvel could make a movie of Spiderman reading the dictionary and it would still make gorillions of dollars.

  27. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    NWH should've been the movie that came out right before Secret Wars, the momentum would've been great and Marvel/Disney would've had their movie be more successful than Sony's
    But no, they decided to introduce the multiverse and the possibility of bringing back actors like Tobey Maguire this early into phase 4, while everything else is fricking disappointing (the shows, the other movies) and people do not care for it

    Feige and company really fricked up here, it's their fault, phase 4 should've been the TV show only phase or better yet, very few TV shows and a couple of movies with the sole purpose of introducing new characters and build the universe back up with a CLEAR THREAT looming in the background, like the first three phases, MCU's peak was successful because everyone saw the connective tissue, every movie was a response to another movie, it was a cinematic universe, it was also why people preferred Marvel to DC, look at DC and you'll realize Marvel is currently making those same mistakes

    Now the only things these shows and movies have done is reference Infinity War and Endgame, how about referencing current phase 4 movies, how about talking about hte fricking celestial that's on earth? Did that matter? Apparently not, if it didn't matter then why should I care about anything that's going on, why should audiences care?

  28. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Is there a Cinemaphile version of the TORtanic comic? What is up with people so badly wanting these movies to fail?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >What is up with people so badly wanting these movies to fail?
      I’m sick of the MCU’s (and Disney in general) dominance at the box office and hate the films in general, so seeing them fall is cathartic to me.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Okay, but who cares if they're dominating? How does this affect you? This isn't preventing other movies you may like from being released. You'd just be hoping to replace one shitty company dominating with another shitty, I mean look at the people jerking off furiously over a MIC propaganda movie like Top Gun 2 just to desperately find something spite Disney.

  29. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    i saw this yday at the cinema and was kinda bored, its disappointing although i didnt really have any expectations.
    what is with the girl, is it singularity?

  30. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The MCU should be hiring the best directors and writers around with all the money they make but for some reason they just get these randos with barely any experience to just touch up the scripts they have in the vault somewhere.

  31. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The Jason Aaron material isn't as good as people remember it and was heavily carried by the art.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >implying it matters
      This movie gave even less of a shit about its source than Ragnarok

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Which is kind of what it deserves considering how Jason Aaron seems to ignore other people's stuff

  32. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Movie was much better than I expected from the leaks, but still not as good as I hoped. Still actually one of my top 5 MCU movies, and easily the best Phase 4 movie though

  33. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    well given the source material and its writer, quality wasn't really the plan in the first place

  34. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know

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