massive humongous cope, superhero films will do fine and it is pure insanity to think mass audiences will just all of a sudden never watch another superhero movie again because one was subpar
>n-no akshually the trending fad that has lasted as long as westerns and noir at this point isn't fading superheroes will just last forever!
Projection
massive humongous cope, superhero films will do fine and it is pure insanity to think mass audiences will just all of a sudden never watch another superhero movie again because one was subpar
Hands out? Cinemascore is based on audience perception. And yes, worse Cinemascore almost always leads to worse financial legs.
B+ isn't a death sentence but it's not good either and certainly not on par for the MCU. When Batman, a three hour pitch black grimdark movie, polls better with audiences than a supposedly "fun and lighthearted" movie something is very wrong.
To get less than a B a film would have to horribly offend people or falsely advertise itself. B+ is not good for an attempted crowdpleaser.
Alright ladies, so lay it out; what's a "failure" box office for this movie? You've carried on about audience scores like you're proud to have contributed to something, but what's the cut-off for Thor 4 to be a "failure"?
Thor 4 did $70M on Friday compared to $90M for Multiverse of Madness. Without cameos to draw people in and mediocre word of mouth expect a higher drop off too.
2 years ago
Anonymous
So it's going to beat Ragnarok but not Strange 2?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Is it making less than Strange? Yes.
Yes, yes, but Disney isn't trying to graduate High School as valedictorian, so what's the "bad money total".
Are you some kind of moron? Bad audience reactions lead to a lower box office. Marvel wanted a big summer crowd pleaser and that isn't what they got. I'm not going to tell you it's going to bomb because Marvel and Thor have too much brand loyalty for that but it won't make anywhere near what it could have.
Don't look at it like school grading because it's more like this >A+ "wow that was great! >A "That was good" >A- "That was OK"
And anything after that is bad.
We just had a 2 billion Spider-Man movie, a 1 billion Dr Strange movie, we are still in the peak of capeshit popularity, just as high as it was in Endgame.
>2 billion Spider-Man movie
Sony movie and it featured Tobey Maguire and the return of OG trilogy villains >1 billion Dr Strange movie
It didn't get to a billion, it dropped hard the second week, it had very poor legs and the reason it opened so big was because everyone expected another NWH, didn't happen, reviews were lackluster and so was audience response, plus Top Gun made more money in less time, that's not good
Also you ignore how shit the shows have been viewership wise, and movies like Shang Chi and Eternals which didn't do great at the box office
more like people are tired that capeshit aren't serious. it's all jokes and ruining a serious moment with a snark becuse god forbid the manchildren have to see a mature take on death or conflict
Almost as bad. Thor is a literal joke. Jane, the gimmick character the movie was based around, literally does nothing. Pacing is all over the place. Most of the jokes (and the movie is nothing but jokes) don't land. CGI is mediocre most of the times. Gorr is on screen for 10 minutes at most. The emotional moments are extremely awkward and feel out of place because everything before them was a comedy. The only positives I can give the movie is that SOME of the jokes are funny, the fight scenes range from alright to good, and that Jane didn't replace or upstage Thor at all.
Lmao dude JWD is either going to hit or be a sliver away from hitting a billion
Thor 4 is opening to far less than DS2 and has the same Cinemascore. Unless something unexpected happens it's not coming close to Dominion
id say the only movie that has actually done way below expectations was Eternals and its funny because it suffered from no cameos, no recognizable names, and no overarching MCU narrative. So clearly... not even capeshit fatigue.
Thor 4 did $70M on Friday compared to $90M for Multiverse of Madness. Without cameos to draw people in and mediocre word of mouth expect a higher drop off too.
Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness
Spider-Man 3
Amazing Spider-Man 2
Thor
X-Men Origins: Wolverine
X-Men First Class
V For Vendetta
Superman Returns
Justice League (theatrical version)
Joker
Wonder Woman 1984
Birds of Prey
Suicide Squad
The Suicide Squad
>financially? no >TASM2 >X-Men Origins >Superman Returns >Josstice League >WW84 >Birds of Prey >TSS
All of these were either financially modest or absolute franchise killers.
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Alright ladies, so lay it out; what's a "failure" box office for this movie? You've carried on about audience scores like you're proud to have contributed to something, but what's the cut-off for Thor 4 to be a "failure"?
Unknown. A drop from Ragnarok would be an obvious failure. Not living up to DS2 (a certainty at this point) would be another indicator. And if it somehow falls below Batman then something is obviously wrong.
If your barometer for success is just "did it turn a profit" then you already know it's going to succeed. But there are other dimensions for comparison. Flash back to Thor The Dark World. That movie made a profit, but if it was truly a success, then the MCU wouldn't have completely swung Thor in a different direction immediately after.
I never mentioned a barometer of anything, I just don't put stock in critics or audience scoring sites.
I remember when you didn't either.
Apparently your need for "wokeness" to fail changed your mind?
What are you talking about? You asked about what constitutes a box office failure for the movie. >I remember when you didn't either.
Me? When was that? Are you implying I somehow think the box office is indicative of quality? Blade Runner 2049 is one of my favorite movies of the last 10 years and is a box office failure. The Suicide Squad is probably in my top five comic book movies of the last 10 years and was a box office failure too. >Apparently your need for "wokeness" to fail changed your mind?
Huh?
remember when people kept saying they were tired of always tying in MCU movie to an overarching narrative but that ultimately being the narrative focus that made all the pre-endgame movies enjoyable?
More directors are putting their style and mark on movies but they clash with studio demands probably. Their upcoming stuff probably doesn’t have this issue as much besides maybe Gunn who has a lot of say in his movie.
Answer: i looked into cam version. Middle, zeus twirling a lightnong, while thor is chained up. Two shots one of whor sitting on a throne, next one is valkyre sitting in a similar throne. Then a revelation. "Surely main antagonist will not be able to borrow power from an undefeatable neutral entity, because we say so without any base and shit. "
Yupp there it is, zero agency, down to the level of the script writers enforcing it.
Ragnarok made $123 Million in 2017 dollars, which is apparently $147 Million in today's money. Love and Thunder is tracking just under that, I don't know that the China thing matters unless they expect that market to open up again in the future.
>We aren't confusing ticket price inflation with dollar inflation again are we?
If money is worth less now than 5 years ago then surely that matters to a companies profits. I doesn't matter how many people actually buy tickets.
Perhaps, but that's not what ticket price inflation is, it's a comparison of average ticket prices.
You're using the wrong math here.
Spider-Verse and Black Panther got A+ cinemascore, I guess they are toppest tier modern classics?
2 years ago
Anonymous
I can't speak for Black Panther but Spider-verse is leagues better than Love and Thunder
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I guess they are toppest tier modern classics?
Financially? Yeah both those movies were absurdly good performers
Just recently Top Gun got an A+ and is outright dabbing on everyone even now, that thing is going to make 700M domestic
2 years ago
Anonymous
Spider-Verse Anon, the cartoon, not Tom Holland.
It performed terribly.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It made nearly 4x it's budget, Satan. It opened poorly because people didn't know what to make of it but going on to make 190mil domestically after a 35mil opening shows great word of mouth. The sequel is going to do huge numbers
2 years ago
Anonymous
>It made nearly 4x it's budget, Satan.
Wait, now we are into multiples? Is this how Shazam! did great?
And it was the lowest grossing Spider-anything to hit theaters in, forever. And let's not act like the bar for animated features is that pitiful.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Wait, now we are into multiples?
Are you going to pretend budgets aren't important? Shazam made less than Eternals at the box office but one was profitable and the other was not
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don't consider the entire year that the Eternals came out to be relevant to anything. Theaters were doing shit until 2021 was almost over.
Shang-Chi, Black Widow and yes, Eternals were all in the top 6 domestic movies that year, because that whole year sucked until late winter.
2 years ago
Anonymous
In fact until NWH came out in December, Shang-Chi was the #1 movie at the domestic box office, let that sink in. 2020 was even less relevant.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Is this how Shazam! did great?
Bruh, Shazam opened much higher and grossed much lower
Shazam did not do great, but it survived given its budget
[...]
You really seem to stretch the meaning of success a great deal for "thing I like",
and set a pretty high bar for "thing I am against".
Lol what? If Thor gets the same legs as Spider-Verse it will literally make 750 million+ and become one of the top 10 highest grossers of all time
It won't (because the movie is bad) but if it somehow does have good legs then it'll absolutely be a success
2 years ago
Anonymous
>It made nearly 4x it's budget, Satan.
Wait, now we are into multiples? Is this how Shazam! did great?
And it was the lowest grossing Spider-anything to hit theaters in, forever. And let's not act like the bar for animated features is that pitiful.
C'mon lay off Shazam. I'm surprised it made any money at since Endgame tickets went on sale the day before it released. WB really put it in a death slot
2 years ago
Anonymous
>they put Shazam 2 next to Avatar 2 again
WB is literally smoking crack when it comes to this franchise
2 years ago
Anonymous
If it has a similar budget to the first film it wasn't such a bad move. Better that takes the hit than Aquaman
2 years ago
Anonymous
Aquaman's biggest hit will be if Xi maintains diffidence towards American films, or if their lockdown is still a thing.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You know even without China money Aquaman still would have made over 800mil? It would have made more with no China money than Ragnarok did keeping it's Chinabux. There's this false narrative that the Chinese saved that film that doesn't hold up
2 years ago
Anonymous
No, I'm not saying that, Aquaman is easily the DCEU's biggest success, a true success.
But it would be a huge hit to the sequel's potential if it doesn't get a wide release in China for one of those 2 reasons.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Tho the original Skwad rivals it. I still don't believe how well it did, there's zero chance Thor is worse than what Skwad was butchered into.
Power of the Joker I guess...
2 years ago
Anonymous
I fully expected Aquaman 2 to make a huge pile of money come what may via the foreign markets, but it's honestly amazing how much WB has shat on their own brand with all the Amber Heard shit.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Oh right my bad, No Way Home was the A+ Cinemascore Spider-Man movie with ridiculously good performance >It performed terribly.
Did it? Domestically it opened with 35M and legged it out to 190M domestic
That's a sign that people weren't interested in the movie to begin with but it had a lot of staying power in spite of that
You really seem to stretch the meaning of success a great deal for "thing I like",
and set a pretty high bar for "thing I am against".
2 years ago
Anonymous
Oh right my bad, No Way Home was the A+ Cinemascore Spider-Man movie with ridiculously good performance >It performed terribly.
Did it? Domestically it opened with 35M and legged it out to 190M domestic
That's a sign that people weren't interested in the movie to begin with but it had a lot of staying power in spite of that
BvS featured the 3 biggest characters in the DCEU, with 13 movies about them beforehand.
Yes, if an Iron Man/Thor/Cap movie did sub billion it would have been a disappoint by phase 2-3. Thor and....Jane is not really comparable.
Find somebody in this thread who called it a flop. Seems like everyone was talking about the quality and you turned it into financials because it's the one area where it won't completely fail.
>Northman out of nowhere
I know what fight you're itching for and I'm not going to give it to you
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's not out of nowhere, it's a movie from this year that got a B+. I just know that noone on this board cares about the score of the Northman, at all.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I just know that noone on this board cares about the score of the Northman, at all.
Because this is Cinemaphile and it has nothing to do with comic or cartoons? Did you get lost on your way to Cinemaphile?
And it's got another 130 or so reviews to go if it gets the same amount as MoM. It could still go rotten. It's mirroring the slide WW84 had almost perfectly
> Sony is the only thing saving phase 4 from being shit.
Its crazy how the tables have tured. Feige is going to need advice from Amy soon. Its crazy how Spider-Man was on life support and is the biggest MCU hero.
happy to see audiences falling out of love with the MCU. Feige's been spreading himself too thin with the billions of TV shows, movies, and theme park shit coming out each year. he needs to go back to just focusing on films and then maybe we'll reach the heights of Phase 3 again someday
It will still going to make bank. I would like to see the end of cape movies but sadly Marvel could make a movie of Spiderman reading the dictionary and it would still make gorillions of dollars.
NWH should've been the movie that came out right before Secret Wars, the momentum would've been great and Marvel/Disney would've had their movie be more successful than Sony's
But no, they decided to introduce the multiverse and the possibility of bringing back actors like Tobey Maguire this early into phase 4, while everything else is fricking disappointing (the shows, the other movies) and people do not care for it
Feige and company really fricked up here, it's their fault, phase 4 should've been the TV show only phase or better yet, very few TV shows and a couple of movies with the sole purpose of introducing new characters and build the universe back up with a CLEAR THREAT looming in the background, like the first three phases, MCU's peak was successful because everyone saw the connective tissue, every movie was a response to another movie, it was a cinematic universe, it was also why people preferred Marvel to DC, look at DC and you'll realize Marvel is currently making those same mistakes
Now the only things these shows and movies have done is reference Infinity War and Endgame, how about referencing current phase 4 movies, how about talking about hte fricking celestial that's on earth? Did that matter? Apparently not, if it didn't matter then why should I care about anything that's going on, why should audiences care?
>What is up with people so badly wanting these movies to fail?
I’m sick of the MCU’s (and Disney in general) dominance at the box office and hate the films in general, so seeing them fall is cathartic to me.
Okay, but who cares if they're dominating? How does this affect you? This isn't preventing other movies you may like from being released. You'd just be hoping to replace one shitty company dominating with another shitty, I mean look at the people jerking off furiously over a MIC propaganda movie like Top Gun 2 just to desperately find something spite Disney.
i saw this yday at the cinema and was kinda bored, its disappointing although i didnt really have any expectations.
what is with the girl, is it singularity?
The MCU should be hiring the best directors and writers around with all the money they make but for some reason they just get these randos with barely any experience to just touch up the scripts they have in the vault somewhere.
Movie was much better than I expected from the leaks, but still not as good as I hoped. Still actually one of my top 5 MCU movies, and easily the best Phase 4 movie though
The MCU is dying, capeshit is dying
>capeshit is dying
kinda sad, they had potential as some nice action blockbusters with interesting lore
intstead they got pimped out in the most saccharine, banal fashion
Eh, I'll still watch it, always have watched it, I don't need the normies to continue bandwagoning.
Besides there's no other reason for me to see a movie I'm tgeatres unless it's horror or something
Artsy indie shit is for the streets
>le superhero fatigue memem
More like shit quality fatigue, these movies have zero effort and are written like shit compared to most p1 movies.
>n-no akshually the trending fad that has lasted as long as westerns and noir at this point isn't fading superheroes will just last forever!
Projection
massive humongous cope, superhero films will do fine and it is pure insanity to think mass audiences will just all of a sudden never watch another superhero movie again because one was subpar
>B+
I don't know what's funnier, the fact that you think a B+ is "dying" or that CinemaScore hands out so many A's that a B+ is a notable event.
To get less than a B a film would have to horribly offend people or falsely advertise itself. B+ is not good for an attempted crowdpleaser.
Hands out? Cinemascore is based on audience perception. And yes, worse Cinemascore almost always leads to worse financial legs.
B+ isn't a death sentence but it's not good either and certainly not on par for the MCU. When Batman, a three hour pitch black grimdark movie, polls better with audiences than a supposedly "fun and lighthearted" movie something is very wrong.
Alright ladies, so lay it out; what's a "failure" box office for this movie? You've carried on about audience scores like you're proud to have contributed to something, but what's the cut-off for Thor 4 to be a "failure"?
Making less money than Doctor Strange 2 isn't a good sign, and that seems to be what's happening.
Is it?
See here
So it's going to beat Ragnarok but not Strange 2?
Is it making less than Strange? Yes.
Are you some kind of moron? Bad audience reactions lead to a lower box office. Marvel wanted a big summer crowd pleaser and that isn't what they got. I'm not going to tell you it's going to bomb because Marvel and Thor have too much brand loyalty for that but it won't make anywhere near what it could have.
Don't look at it like school grading because it's more like this
>A+ "wow that was great!
>A "That was good"
>A- "That was OK"
And anything after that is bad.
Yes, yes, but Disney isn't trying to graduate High School as valedictorian, so what's the "bad money total".
Thank god. Can we go back to good Cinemaphile
It didn’t die; it ended. Phase Four is a glorified epilogue.
Cinema is dying
We just had a 2 billion Spider-Man movie, a 1 billion Dr Strange movie, we are still in the peak of capeshit popularity, just as high as it was in Endgame.
>2 billion Spider-Man movie
>1 billion Dr Strange movie
Lol you wish
>2 billion Spider-Man movie
Sony movie and it featured Tobey Maguire and the return of OG trilogy villains
>1 billion Dr Strange movie
It didn't get to a billion, it dropped hard the second week, it had very poor legs and the reason it opened so big was because everyone expected another NWH, didn't happen, reviews were lackluster and so was audience response, plus Top Gun made more money in less time, that's not good
Also you ignore how shit the shows have been viewership wise, and movies like Shang Chi and Eternals which didn't do great at the box office
more like people are tired that capeshit aren't serious. it's all jokes and ruining a serious moment with a snark becuse god forbid the manchildren have to see a mature take on death or conflict
For anyone who isn't aware how bad that is it's the same score as Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman 84
The movie is definitely going to have terrible legs. Tom Cruise remains victorious.
I wouldn't say this is as bad as Suicide squad, but it's definitely on par with WW84.
Seems like the critics are being overly kind then. Was it really that bad?
Almost as bad. Thor is a literal joke. Jane, the gimmick character the movie was based around, literally does nothing. Pacing is all over the place. Most of the jokes (and the movie is nothing but jokes) don't land. CGI is mediocre most of the times. Gorr is on screen for 10 minutes at most. The emotional moments are extremely awkward and feel out of place because everything before them was a comedy. The only positives I can give the movie is that SOME of the jokes are funny, the fight scenes range from alright to good, and that Jane didn't replace or upstage Thor at all.
Having watched both L&T and WW84, no WW84 is miles worse. If anything it shows how inflated the movie scores for Suicide Squad and WW84 were.
Carol and T'Challa still undefeated
OH NO
Thor 4 will probably do better box office than this though.
Lmao dude JWD is either going to hit or be a sliver away from hitting a billion
Thor 4 is opening to far less than DS2 and has the same Cinemascore. Unless something unexpected happens it's not coming close to Dominion
It's not any good either but it's not suffering from MCU fatigue.
id say the only movie that has actually done way below expectations was Eternals and its funny because it suffered from no cameos, no recognizable names, and no overarching MCU narrative. So clearly... not even capeshit fatigue.
Thor 4 did $70M on Friday compared to $90M for Multiverse of Madness. Without cameos to draw people in and mediocre word of mouth expect a higher drop off too.
They should release the 4 hour Taika cut.
Taika keeps claiming this was all his doing but the original cut was actually directed by James Wan
Who's to blame for? Feige?
These are the films that got a B+ Cinemascore
Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness
Spider-Man 3
Amazing Spider-Man 2
Thor
X-Men Origins: Wolverine
X-Men First Class
V For Vendetta
Superman Returns
Justice League (theatrical version)
Joker
Wonder Woman 1984
Birds of Prey
Suicide Squad
The Suicide Squad
So a whole big pile of shit
financially? no
I wasn't talking financially but there's more than a few bombs and underperformers there
>financially? no
>TASM2
>X-Men Origins
>Superman Returns
>Josstice League
>WW84
>Birds of Prey
>TSS
All of these were either financially modest or absolute franchise killers.
Unknown. A drop from Ragnarok would be an obvious failure. Not living up to DS2 (a certainty at this point) would be another indicator. And if it somehow falls below Batman then something is obviously wrong.
If your barometer for success is just "did it turn a profit" then you already know it's going to succeed. But there are other dimensions for comparison. Flash back to Thor The Dark World. That movie made a profit, but if it was truly a success, then the MCU wouldn't have completely swung Thor in a different direction immediately after.
I never mentioned a barometer of anything, I just don't put stock in critics or audience scoring sites.
I remember when you didn't either.
Apparently your need for "wokeness" to fail changed your mind?
What are you talking about? You asked about what constitutes a box office failure for the movie.
>I remember when you didn't either.
Me? When was that? Are you implying I somehow think the box office is indicative of quality? Blade Runner 2049 is one of my favorite movies of the last 10 years and is a box office failure. The Suicide Squad is probably in my top five comic book movies of the last 10 years and was a box office failure too.
>Apparently your need for "wokeness" to fail changed your mind?
Huh?
>Apparently your need for "wokeness" to fail changed your mind?
You're just putting words in his mouth now
Oh well nm, forgive me, I totally misread the mood of the board.
Why is phase 4 just shit movie after shit movie?
remember when people kept saying they were tired of always tying in MCU movie to an overarching narrative but that ultimately being the narrative focus that made all the pre-endgame movies enjoyable?
More directors are putting their style and mark on movies but they clash with studio demands probably. Their upcoming stuff probably doesn’t have this issue as much besides maybe Gunn who has a lot of say in his movie.
Take a minute, think hard on it if you need to.
Answer: i looked into cam version. Middle, zeus twirling a lightnong, while thor is chained up. Two shots one of whor sitting on a throne, next one is valkyre sitting in a similar throne. Then a revelation. "Surely main antagonist will not be able to borrow power from an undefeatable neutral entity, because we say so without any base and shit. "
Yupp there it is, zero agency, down to the level of the script writers enforcing it.
>Help me Thor Odinson...You're my only hope
what the frick is cinemascore?
James Rolfe's website.
yes anon everything is a flop
If it can match Ragnarok with China closed and minus it's 110 million, I think Disney will feel pretty good about it.
If
Yes, that is what I am saying.
Ragnarok made $123 Million in 2017 dollars, which is apparently $147 Million in today's money. Love and Thunder is tracking just under that, I don't know that the China thing matters unless they expect that market to open up again in the future.
We aren't confusing ticket price inflation with dollar inflation again are we? Because they truly aren't the same figure and I feel you are (again).
>We aren't confusing ticket price inflation with dollar inflation again are we?
If money is worth less now than 5 years ago then surely that matters to a companies profits. I doesn't matter how many people actually buy tickets.
Perhaps, but that's not what ticket price inflation is, it's a comparison of average ticket prices.
You're using the wrong math here.
Spider-Verse and Black Panther got A+ cinemascore, I guess they are toppest tier modern classics?
I can't speak for Black Panther but Spider-verse is leagues better than Love and Thunder
>I guess they are toppest tier modern classics?
Financially? Yeah both those movies were absurdly good performers
Just recently Top Gun got an A+ and is outright dabbing on everyone even now, that thing is going to make 700M domestic
Spider-Verse Anon, the cartoon, not Tom Holland.
It performed terribly.
It made nearly 4x it's budget, Satan. It opened poorly because people didn't know what to make of it but going on to make 190mil domestically after a 35mil opening shows great word of mouth. The sequel is going to do huge numbers
>It made nearly 4x it's budget, Satan.
Wait, now we are into multiples? Is this how Shazam! did great?
And it was the lowest grossing Spider-anything to hit theaters in, forever. And let's not act like the bar for animated features is that pitiful.
>Wait, now we are into multiples?
Are you going to pretend budgets aren't important? Shazam made less than Eternals at the box office but one was profitable and the other was not
I don't consider the entire year that the Eternals came out to be relevant to anything. Theaters were doing shit until 2021 was almost over.
Shang-Chi, Black Widow and yes, Eternals were all in the top 6 domestic movies that year, because that whole year sucked until late winter.
In fact until NWH came out in December, Shang-Chi was the #1 movie at the domestic box office, let that sink in. 2020 was even less relevant.
>Is this how Shazam! did great?
Bruh, Shazam opened much higher and grossed much lower
Shazam did not do great, but it survived given its budget
Lol what? If Thor gets the same legs as Spider-Verse it will literally make 750 million+ and become one of the top 10 highest grossers of all time
It won't (because the movie is bad) but if it somehow does have good legs then it'll absolutely be a success
C'mon lay off Shazam. I'm surprised it made any money at since Endgame tickets went on sale the day before it released. WB really put it in a death slot
>they put Shazam 2 next to Avatar 2 again
WB is literally smoking crack when it comes to this franchise
If it has a similar budget to the first film it wasn't such a bad move. Better that takes the hit than Aquaman
Aquaman's biggest hit will be if Xi maintains diffidence towards American films, or if their lockdown is still a thing.
You know even without China money Aquaman still would have made over 800mil? It would have made more with no China money than Ragnarok did keeping it's Chinabux. There's this false narrative that the Chinese saved that film that doesn't hold up
No, I'm not saying that, Aquaman is easily the DCEU's biggest success, a true success.
But it would be a huge hit to the sequel's potential if it doesn't get a wide release in China for one of those 2 reasons.
Tho the original Skwad rivals it. I still don't believe how well it did, there's zero chance Thor is worse than what Skwad was butchered into.
Power of the Joker I guess...
I fully expected Aquaman 2 to make a huge pile of money come what may via the foreign markets, but it's honestly amazing how much WB has shat on their own brand with all the Amber Heard shit.
You really seem to stretch the meaning of success a great deal for "thing I like",
and set a pretty high bar for "thing I am against".
Oh right my bad, No Way Home was the A+ Cinemascore Spider-Man movie with ridiculously good performance
>It performed terribly.
Did it? Domestically it opened with 35M and legged it out to 190M domestic
That's a sign that people weren't interested in the movie to begin with but it had a lot of staying power in spite of that
cruise's scam church paid off theaters.
>I didn't say it was a flop, I said it made less money
You really are an idiot if you don't understand. It's like how BvS wasn't a flop but it sure as frick didn't live up to it's potential either.
BvS featured the 3 biggest characters in the DCEU, with 13 movies about them beforehand.
Yes, if an Iron Man/Thor/Cap movie did sub billion it would have been a disappoint by phase 2-3. Thor and....Jane is not really comparable.
yet the future of the MCU is not riding on Thor doing good. that's the difference between Love and thunder and BvS
IT FLOPPED OK?!
Find somebody in this thread who called it a flop. Seems like everyone was talking about the quality and you turned it into financials because it's the one area where it won't completely fail.
Not him, but a B+ and Ragnarok money is a "complete failure"?
B+ is shit
It's what Strange 2 and Northman got...
I didn't see anyone carrying on about Strange 2's cinemascore.
>Northman out of nowhere
I know what fight you're itching for and I'm not going to give it to you
It's not out of nowhere, it's a movie from this year that got a B+. I just know that noone on this board cares about the score of the Northman, at all.
>I just know that noone on this board cares about the score of the Northman, at all.
Because this is Cinemaphile and it has nothing to do with comic or cartoons? Did you get lost on your way to Cinemaphile?
flippity floppity flop
>NOOOOO YOU CANT JUST MAKE A COMEDY
>I NEED THOR 4 TO BE SERIOUS AND DEEP AND EMOTIONAL
Ragnarok literally got an A
This movie is just terrible
It's fine to make a comedy as long as it's funny. Love and Thunder isn't funny, I say this as someone who liked Ragnarok.
WHEN I SAY "IT" YOU SAY "FLOPPED"
IT
Flopped!
Mark Kermode already said everything that needs to be said about this "movie", if you can even call it that.
>"Yes, there are LGBTQ+ subplots, that should be a minimum requirement.."
Yeah gg.
It's down to 67% on RT, only just above The Dark World.
And it's got another 130 or so reviews to go if it gets the same amount as MoM. It could still go rotten. It's mirroring the slide WW84 had almost perfectly
>It could still go rotten
No, for that to happen less than 50 of those 130 or so reviews would have to be fresh. That's not going to happen.
Kek, this really worked the Marvelcucks into a shaking seethe
> Sony is the only thing saving phase 4 from being shit.
Its crazy how the tables have tured. Feige is going to need advice from Amy soon. Its crazy how Spider-Man was on life support and is the biggest MCU hero.
>Sony is the only thing saving phase 4 from being shit.
I know right, thank god for Morbius
Have sex
rapeape is how
happy to see audiences falling out of love with the MCU. Feige's been spreading himself too thin with the billions of TV shows, movies, and theme park shit coming out each year. he needs to go back to just focusing on films and then maybe we'll reach the heights of Phase 3 again someday
It will still going to make bank. I would like to see the end of cape movies but sadly Marvel could make a movie of Spiderman reading the dictionary and it would still make gorillions of dollars.
NWH should've been the movie that came out right before Secret Wars, the momentum would've been great and Marvel/Disney would've had their movie be more successful than Sony's
But no, they decided to introduce the multiverse and the possibility of bringing back actors like Tobey Maguire this early into phase 4, while everything else is fricking disappointing (the shows, the other movies) and people do not care for it
Feige and company really fricked up here, it's their fault, phase 4 should've been the TV show only phase or better yet, very few TV shows and a couple of movies with the sole purpose of introducing new characters and build the universe back up with a CLEAR THREAT looming in the background, like the first three phases, MCU's peak was successful because everyone saw the connective tissue, every movie was a response to another movie, it was a cinematic universe, it was also why people preferred Marvel to DC, look at DC and you'll realize Marvel is currently making those same mistakes
Now the only things these shows and movies have done is reference Infinity War and Endgame, how about referencing current phase 4 movies, how about talking about hte fricking celestial that's on earth? Did that matter? Apparently not, if it didn't matter then why should I care about anything that's going on, why should audiences care?
Is there a Cinemaphile version of the TORtanic comic? What is up with people so badly wanting these movies to fail?
>What is up with people so badly wanting these movies to fail?
I’m sick of the MCU’s (and Disney in general) dominance at the box office and hate the films in general, so seeing them fall is cathartic to me.
Okay, but who cares if they're dominating? How does this affect you? This isn't preventing other movies you may like from being released. You'd just be hoping to replace one shitty company dominating with another shitty, I mean look at the people jerking off furiously over a MIC propaganda movie like Top Gun 2 just to desperately find something spite Disney.
i saw this yday at the cinema and was kinda bored, its disappointing although i didnt really have any expectations.
what is with the girl, is it singularity?
The MCU should be hiring the best directors and writers around with all the money they make but for some reason they just get these randos with barely any experience to just touch up the scripts they have in the vault somewhere.
The Jason Aaron material isn't as good as people remember it and was heavily carried by the art.
>implying it matters
This movie gave even less of a shit about its source than Ragnarok
Which is kind of what it deserves considering how Jason Aaron seems to ignore other people's stuff
Movie was much better than I expected from the leaks, but still not as good as I hoped. Still actually one of my top 5 MCU movies, and easily the best Phase 4 movie though
well given the source material and its writer, quality wasn't really the plan in the first place
I don't know