Same thing. You can do this all day, and you know what the answer will be. A ripoff is a ripoff, period. There's no context that's ever going to make that acceptable.
I'm curious what you think ISN'T a rip-off. Because I'll bet most of your favorite movies and comics, and ALL of your favorite music, is outright plagiarized.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
Stop taking the bait. It's scfigay disguised as a different autist. He's also the anti-rec gay.
The more you reply to him, the less he'll shut the frick up.
remember it being good when it came out. havent read in years. its basically just 'i want to write non-90s style marvel/dc comics, so made bunch of parody characters'. i still remember the spectre-like cosmic one where guy remembers a life and woman he loved to the point its destroying his entire life and sleep schedule and no one else understands or remembers that person and it turned out to be super hero buttholes fricked with space time and erased his wife from existence and he only has a vague recollection in dreams of her remaining. when offered to remove any memory of her with the knowledge of what happened, he refuses and finally has his first good night sleep.
>'i want to write non-90s style marvel/dc comics, so made bunch of parody characters'
But there aren't any straightforward superhero storeis with, for example, the Superman pastiche. It's weirder stuff like "what if Superman were lonely?", or "How would a date between Superman and Wonder Woman actually go?" etc. etc.
Anyone able to compare the regular trades/HC to the Metrobooks? Thinking of swapping.
I do wish the art was just a bit better. I don't need it to be the greatest ever, but obviously some people get turned off by the art and don't give it a proper chance.
I didn't have any of the old trades bu the Metrobooks are great. Get huge chunks of the story for a pretty good price. Instocktrades has them pretty frequently in the damaged section too.
They do. There isn't any back matter. I don't think Astro City had any back matter but yeah. Definitely recommend them since the omnibus is just gonna be forever pushed back apparently.
Appreciate it. Yeah I currently have the whole series in a mismash of trades and HC, and I would appreciate the uniformity the Metrobooks offer. Hopefully vol. 6 gets solicited soon, it should finish collecting V3.
3 weeks ago
Anonymous
They have been pretty good about pumping these out. I'm surprised by it. It seems like every couple of months there is a new one to get. Very stoked about it since I've wanted wanted the story in my collection forever. Hope you enjoy them.
I love Astro City and I will gladly die on a hill defending it. Many people will say it's derivative but that's sometimes a dismissive way of saying "takes inspiration." It is often compared to Watchmen but where Watchmen cynically whispers "superheroes are like normal people, Astro City shouts back with hope, "normal people are heroic."
>Watchmen cynically whispers "superheroes are like normal people
No. They're more fricked up and more dangerous than normal people, because of the power they wield, at least for the ones that tasted power (Rorschach, The Comedian, Dr. Manhattan, and Ozymandias). Their foibles are amplified, and their influence is great. Compounded negativity makes them fricked up. Moore turned the valve on realism very slightly, and the results are catastrophic.
>Astro City shouts back with hope, "normal people are heroic."
Normal people are awful, though. Astro City is naive boomer optimism. It has no place in the 21st century.
It's not bait, it's reality. Cops are corrupt, politicians are corrupt, doctors are corrupt, teachers are corrupt. If superheroes were like real people they'd unironically be like Garth Ennis characters. Boomers like Stan Lee had a childish, black-and-white mentality that has been completely dismantled by the 21st century.
Why do boomers act like Vietnam was somehow any less moral than WW2 or Korea? Do they really think Vietnam was the first war where Americans raped and murdered civilians?
This is just silly. There's no way a captain america character would have sided with the communist viet cong. Maybe he'd have refused to participate in or prevent some of the worst war crimes of the us military. But that's as far as he'd go.
We entered into Vietnam on a lie (Gulf of Tonkin) and ultimately a lot of Americans and many more Vietname (and Laotians and Cambodians) died for seemingly no reason. This happened as the boomer generation was coming of age so many of them were drated right into the war and was coming in the middle of the civil rights movement and post-JFK assassination.
The story of post-War America was growth and near utopia and Vietnam was a real illusion shattering moment, same way the War on Terror was for millennials and late Xers who only really knew good times.
The bigger problem was more in how the soldiers who returned were treated. WW2 was throwing everyone parades and acting like they were goddamn heroes. But a Vietnam vet was practically a pariah for something that was out of his control and, well, you've seen First Blood.
>ultimately a lot of Americans and many more Vietname (and Laotians and Cambodians) died for seemingly no reason.
You could say the same thing about any war. What did WW1 accomplish? Why did the Old Soldier not intervene then?
He’s preventing them from entering city Villages because there’s probably something horrible in them like a super-plague or some shit. It’s also mentioned in a different issue he fought at the fall of Saigon.
indeed, the better format is the OHC route that has been replaced by the omnibus. I don't dislike them but I think the point is to make a comfortable compilation in a large sized format. Some just throw the point of utility and reading comfort for the sake of completing it into one huge chunk. This one was just collectible porn to another degree.
As someone that doesn't usually read capeshit, I like all the personal stories and how it jumps around characters and time periods and even format sometimes. Kind of wish the art was better, the digital inking and coloring is pretty bad especially when compared to the Ross covers. Feels like false advertisement.
Plagiarism is bad enough, but this has the gall to be pretentious about it.
Good series.
I don't think you know what "pretentious" means.
NTA but the series is rather pretentious. The anti-Nixon stuff in particular comes across as being rather silly.
New autist, or one of the old ones pretending to be a new one?
You don't know what it means either.
>capeshit-adjacent
What? That's something like Hellboy or Sandman. Astro City is straightforwardly a superhero comic.
What's your opinion on watchmen by any chance?
Trash. Literally a ripoff of a ripoff.
>huh bluh bluh you can't not like muh watchmen not allowed
Shut up, moron.
Street Sharks?
Same thing. You can do this all day, and you know what the answer will be. A ripoff is a ripoff, period. There's no context that's ever going to make that acceptable.
The Lion King?
I'm curious what you think ISN'T a rip-off. Because I'll bet most of your favorite movies and comics, and ALL of your favorite music, is outright plagiarized.
Stop taking the bait. It's scfigay disguised as a different autist. He's also the anti-rec gay.
The more you reply to him, the less he'll shut the frick up.
Why are you still an uninteresting NPC
>pointing out that stealing ideas is wrong makes you an "NPC"
>Kurt Busiek
You should read it.
The best capeshit-adjacent capeshit comic. First Steeljack is still my favorite story, still waiting on the n-forcer book.
That was him being the PI for the "villains" getting murdered right? That and the Confessor arc were pretty great.
I like astro city
remember it being good when it came out. havent read in years. its basically just 'i want to write non-90s style marvel/dc comics, so made bunch of parody characters'. i still remember the spectre-like cosmic one where guy remembers a life and woman he loved to the point its destroying his entire life and sleep schedule and no one else understands or remembers that person and it turned out to be super hero buttholes fricked with space time and erased his wife from existence and he only has a vague recollection in dreams of her remaining. when offered to remove any memory of her with the knowledge of what happened, he refuses and finally has his first good night sleep.
>'i want to write non-90s style marvel/dc comics, so made bunch of parody characters'
But there aren't any straightforward superhero storeis with, for example, the Superman pastiche. It's weirder stuff like "what if Superman were lonely?", or "How would a date between Superman and Wonder Woman actually go?" etc. etc.
I like the stories, but it's unfortunate that the art isn't very good. That's what prevents this comic from being great.
Anyone able to compare the regular trades/HC to the Metrobooks? Thinking of swapping.
I do wish the art was just a bit better. I don't need it to be the greatest ever, but obviously some people get turned off by the art and don't give it a proper chance.
I didn't have any of the old trades bu the Metrobooks are great. Get huge chunks of the story for a pretty good price. Instocktrades has them pretty frequently in the damaged section too.
Thanks! Do they still include covers and whatnot between issues?
They do. There isn't any back matter. I don't think Astro City had any back matter but yeah. Definitely recommend them since the omnibus is just gonna be forever pushed back apparently.
Appreciate it. Yeah I currently have the whole series in a mismash of trades and HC, and I would appreciate the uniformity the Metrobooks offer. Hopefully vol. 6 gets solicited soon, it should finish collecting V3.
They have been pretty good about pumping these out. I'm surprised by it. It seems like every couple of months there is a new one to get. Very stoked about it since I've wanted wanted the story in my collection forever. Hope you enjoy them.
>thoughts?
Cool series. I remember a cool Wizard Magazin article with them explaining homages and the city.
>Wizard Magazin article with them explaining homages
What issue?
No idea. I think it was some 1996 issue.
Found it. Wizard Magazin 65.
Thanks. I'll look into it.
I love Astro City and I will gladly die on a hill defending it. Many people will say it's derivative but that's sometimes a dismissive way of saying "takes inspiration." It is often compared to Watchmen but where Watchmen cynically whispers "superheroes are like normal people, Astro City shouts back with hope, "normal people are heroic."
>Watchmen cynically whispers "superheroes are like normal people
No. They're more fricked up and more dangerous than normal people, because of the power they wield, at least for the ones that tasted power (Rorschach, The Comedian, Dr. Manhattan, and Ozymandias). Their foibles are amplified, and their influence is great. Compounded negativity makes them fricked up. Moore turned the valve on realism very slightly, and the results are catastrophic.
>Astro City shouts back with hope, "normal people are heroic."
Normal people are awful, though. Astro City is naive boomer optimism. It has no place in the 21st century.
It's not bait, it's reality. Cops are corrupt, politicians are corrupt, doctors are corrupt, teachers are corrupt. If superheroes were like real people they'd unironically be like Garth Ennis characters. Boomers like Stan Lee had a childish, black-and-white mentality that has been completely dismantled by the 21st century.
Yeah those 20th century people had it really easy back then, especially during the first fifty years.
God tier book
Shit tier book
Why do boomers act like Vietnam was somehow any less moral than WW2 or Korea? Do they really think Vietnam was the first war where Americans raped and murdered civilians?
This is just silly. There's no way a captain america character would have sided with the communist viet cong. Maybe he'd have refused to participate in or prevent some of the worst war crimes of the us military. But that's as far as he'd go.
Old Soldier isn't exactly a Captain America-type character. He very likely predates the entire country, given that sword.
We entered into Vietnam on a lie (Gulf of Tonkin) and ultimately a lot of Americans and many more Vietname (and Laotians and Cambodians) died for seemingly no reason. This happened as the boomer generation was coming of age so many of them were drated right into the war and was coming in the middle of the civil rights movement and post-JFK assassination.
The story of post-War America was growth and near utopia and Vietnam was a real illusion shattering moment, same way the War on Terror was for millennials and late Xers who only really knew good times.
The bigger problem was more in how the soldiers who returned were treated. WW2 was throwing everyone parades and acting like they were goddamn heroes. But a Vietnam vet was practically a pariah for something that was out of his control and, well, you've seen First Blood.
>ultimately a lot of Americans and many more Vietname (and Laotians and Cambodians) died for seemingly no reason.
You could say the same thing about any war. What did WW1 accomplish? Why did the Old Soldier not intervene then?
He’s preventing them from entering city Villages because there’s probably something horrible in them like a super-plague or some shit. It’s also mentioned in a different issue he fought at the fall of Saigon.
Horikoshi said this was one of the biggest influences on my hero academia.
Makes sense.
Unironically required reading. This, Sandman, and Transmetropolitan are three of the best comic book series ever.
Is this a joke?
Some people don't irrationally hate Sandman just because Neil Gaiman later became popular with cat ladies
How is that irrational?
I hate Sandman because it is pretentious and was written by a Scientologist cuckold.
I was considering buying that giantic book but I thought it'd be unwieldy and unpleasent to read
indeed, the better format is the OHC route that has been replaced by the omnibus. I don't dislike them but I think the point is to make a comfortable compilation in a large sized format. Some just throw the point of utility and reading comfort for the sake of completing it into one huge chunk. This one was just collectible porn to another degree.
More like Asstro Shitty.
It’s a snoozer with weak art.
If only Alex Ross drew the interiors.
meh
As someone that doesn't usually read capeshit, I like all the personal stories and how it jumps around characters and time periods and even format sometimes. Kind of wish the art was better, the digital inking and coloring is pretty bad especially when compared to the Ross covers. Feels like false advertisement.