A1: Pretty lame
Ultron: Actually pretty good
Civil War: Awful
Infinity War: Pretty good
Endgame: Eh, ok
No Way Home: Didn't see, i'm checked out of the MCU at this point
>Ultron: Actually pretty good
nah
Ultron is an excellent villain and imo of the best renditions of the murderous AI trope in fiction
Here though he was just plain boring
Plus I will never forgive them for not having Pym be his creator
I heard originally Hank and Jan where meant to be part of the original Avengers movie, but they shitcanned them because.... reason?
Ant-Man got axed since his solo film was still in active development, and Wright wanted to keep the character for himself (it was always meant to be Scott tho). Whedon intended to use Wasp only if ScarJo couldn't reprise her role.
I have no idea how they're gonna do The Kang Dynasty & Secret Wars at this point with all the new characters & plotlines introduced in the Multiverse Saga + all the characters still around from the Infinity Saga + all the multiversal characters from other non-MCU Marvel film series
They really did bite off much more than they can chew with the endless stream of Disney+ content
ngl the MCU would've been far better off if Disney+ didn't exist and it was just movies like the Infinity Saga
They had tons of TV shows back when the early MCU was going. The difference being the TV shows existed to supplement the movies, whereas now the movies rely on the Disney+ shows just to have a basic knowledge of what's going on.
ye. plot was simple but the character writing was at its best- characters that play well of each other, no bloated cast or action scenes and the whedon humour is tolerable. takes me back to a much better time
the Whedon films aren't great but they're the only film where the Avengers actually feel like a team, like a family
Endgame ig also kinda aside from the final act
Nothing after Endgame except for GOTG was/is worth it. No Way Home was somewhat enjoyable for its inclusion of legacy characters, but the first third of that movie is pretty boring.
>Avengers
Schlock kino
Kinda basic, and shot like a TV movie (thanks, Joss), but it's real damn fun. The character work is all great and Loki is an entertaining villain. >AoU
Mediocre crap
Tries to be bigger than the first one, but gets too obsessed with both sequel set-up and Whedoning all over the place, and falls flat. There's some good scenes here and there, but Ultron being so absolutely fricking wasted just leaves a bad taste in the mouth >Civil War
Alright, I guess
Better than the comic, though that's not the highest bar. Main problem is that, despite the whole concept of the film, it all feels slightly weightless. The Avengers breaking up never really gets addressed or explored after this. It also suffers from a severe lack of style; it's all so fricking grey. Aside from Giant Man, the airport fight is a really boring action scene clearly shot on a greenscreen lot to stand in for an airplane parking lot. But it's the best both Spider-Man and Black Panther have been in the MCU though, those two are great >Infinity War
Capekino
Genuinely fantastic
I'm surprised they pulled this one off so well, considering how big the cast is and how many moving parts there are. Thanos is a quality villain, and it's got one of the best fight scenes in any capeshit movie (the one on Titan). Thor is the real standout here, probably the only time they really nailed the character. He has a perfect level of godly seriousness to him that they never got before or since. My only problems are how they fricked Hulk, how poorly used the Earth characters are, and some bad greenscreen. Absolutely kino ending >Endgame
Really naff and navel-gazing
A real letdown after IW. Half this superlong movie is spent on a fetch quest, most of which is round places we've already seen. The time travel plot genuinely sucks, and the Thanos here is way worse. The amount of CGI is ridiculous, and the final battle is ugly as sin. It's basically everything bad about Civil War on a larger scale
>NWH
Fan service to the extreme
You can tell Sony/Disney made this for money, and money alone. The plot is fricking asinine, and relies on both Peter and Dr Strange being fricking idiots. Almost the ENTIRE appeal of the film is predicated on you knowing and caring about the previous incarnations of Spider-Man more than the MCU one. Tellingly, they're the best part of the movie. Dafoe is a kino villain, Molina is good again, and it's nice to see Tobey and Andrew back as Spider-Man. But it all feels utterly hollow. They're the main reason anyone wanted to see the film, but it's not actually THEIR film. I had a good time while watching it, but as soon as I walked out of the cinema I was thinking about how weak the film really was. There's not much substance to it at all, and it just goes to show how poorly they've failed MCU Spidey when it comes to making him his own thing. They've relied too much on linking him to Iron Man and using guest stars that he's not had any real time to come into his own, both in-universe and to the audience. The emotional core of the movie tries to be around MCU Peter and his friends, but I don't think anyone really cares enough about Zendaya, Aunt Marisa, and the fat guy for it to work. Holland sells what he can with the material, and the ending potentially sets up a good new status quo for the sequels (if they don't frick it up)
Endgame was okay for me, it was a surprise attack, the Avengers had zero time to prep and Thanos thought he had the drop on them. It was Infinity War that had the foolish battle in my opinion. They had fricking prep time and could have prepared way more defenses, and instead, it resulted in a fairly small field battle.
>Avengers
Great, I can see why it led to the MCU catching on. A fun as hell blockbuster. >Age of Ultron
Very bad. I don't think there's anything redeeming about this movie. I hate the characterizations of everyone, didn't feel like a proper follow-up to anyone's stories in Phase 2. A real shame as the first trailer made it look like it would surpass the original. Whedon deserved to be ousted for this. >Civil War
Good time but not as good upon rewatch. >Infinity War
Peak MCU. It's very difficult to have so many characters in one movie, yet make the plot work. They structured this well and did enough to make each character feel like they mattered. >Endgame
Not so great. I didn't like the resolutions to anything. Time travel always makes for a mess when it comes to narratives that introduce it late and this was no different.Killing IW Thanos, horrible idea. I really hate the ending for Steve. The final battle against Thanos is very hype but how we arrive there and what comes out of it sucks tbh >No Way Home
I hate this movie. I haven't been into the MCU portrayal of Spider-man and this was the nail in the coffin. Nonsensical plot where Dr. Strange endangers the multiverse doing a spell for a teenager.Villains lacked any nuance they had in their original films, serving only as fan service. I cringed when Norman said he was something of a scientist himself. There's no substance here. It's a hollow film and frankly as a longtime Spider-man fan, this felt like a spit in the face.
>A1
All-time classic, its insane to believe this movie defined a whole decade and people's perception on humor, capeshit truly broke into mainstream, we could've potentially reached a renaissance here >AoU
Not as bad as everyone says it is, kinda comfy but unfortunately its definitely better then the first since its just that but with more names and action to it but only on a technical level, people just hate it because the first movie opened a lot of possibilities which this movie didn't take advantage of, we could've had the leap to Phase 3 with it, if only we got Ant-Man and Doctor Strange before then we would've potentially witnessed a faithfully realistic adaptations to the jack kirby runs of the 60s to 80s, one or two delays would've done so much wonders, marvels even. >Civil War
That's where they dropped the ball, that's where everything got cringe, if they didn't bring back spiderman and had that airport scene snydergays would've unironically won, they had baron zemo but he's just some tragic victim, where's the purple hoodie? Where's the fricking aryan authority? Frick the dead family shit is great but did we really have to step down to DC's grittyness? You could still have him act as a notorious villain and be tragic
The conflict felt forced af too, how do you have general ross intervene and not have him be turned into the red hulk or at least angry? Winter Soldier killing Tony's parents was also very phoned in, Black Panther would've worked if the UN bombing was in AMERICA and at the movie's start since it would present a good conflict; after all the movie is about captain AMERICA and his whole character is what AMERICA (formerly) stands for, and he is in conflict with the new policies, "muh security" oh ffs if people die, they will die anyways, it would be heavily OOC for tony to be like this unless they get someone like ross, maria hill or carol to staple his balls to the table, frick since you have spiderman you could also toss in norman there
Cont.
and we all know how much of a sleazy c**t norman is, he could definitely get some ties with ross to further push zemo's authoritarian corruption, iron man and cap teaming up to fight iron patriot is perfectly fitting for the movie's conflict seeing as america's internal struggle is about the state vs the individual, this also doesn't mean you can't have heroes fighting heroes
War Machine, Black Widow, Black Panther, Red Hulk/Abomination, Captain Marvel and you can even have Shield dial up Hank out of retirement
So much wasted potential, this shit is just segway filler to explain the setting in Infinity War and compensate for what new ideas Age of Ultron didn't bring to the table, its Avengers 2.5
Also its most memorable quote is borrowed from the first captain america and it eternalized as a corny catchphrase within the populace >Infinity War
This is what they were actually working on, but lets be real a lot of things in it are just setup, did we really need conscious hulk, did we really need wakanda to have this much prevalence in a movie that got hyped for its cosmic scale? when the guardians split did they seriously not learn from yondo's death?
Thanos' character is interesting, but i feel like there was something missing between his shift from the comic accurate portrayal we saw in post-credits
and GotG to this supposedly tragic big bad, he still rocked ass tho and this can be seen when you look back into the cultural impact this movie had, thanos became a household name, the hype was so big that it was the year where people on here hated on it so much the whole soi narrative started resurfacing as what was easily deemed to be contrarianism right or wrong you can't deny the fact that this movie having effect on society (me)
Cont.
shit resurfaced why nerds and geeks were treated like shit in the past, it was an even more cruel time to admit you enjoy anything that wasn't in your DMA because even if you did you'd feel the embarrassment and lack of enthusiasm from the people of the web as they deemed all integrity in art was assimilated by mass appeal, the age of irony had begun as people would belittle any form of straightforward artistic sincerity >Endgame
Okay NOW this is what they were actually working on in 2012 to 2017, actually goes back to its comic book roots and introduces wacky ideas like time travel and undoing tragedies, it all mashes together to create this dopamine orgasm that kevin was planning all along for, nothing else mattered but that final fight and i fricking screamed when i watched it with my father, yes he looked confused at me and was embarrassed by my enjoyment and i was self aware of that but dammit i don't care that shit was DEFINITIVELY EPIC, IT WAS ART, POETRY, SOMETHING WAS CREATED OUT OF NOTHING, A DREAM WHICH IS A LIE CAME TRUE.
The cynicism didn't leave however, as matter of fact it probably just dilated the void in the hearts of many, kids trooning out, chuds return to the shadows and all that remained was a messy memory >No Way Home
With peter parker's luck Spider-Man's late for the party, the MCU has fallen, its an empty shell of its former self and the only way it can redeem itself is through expanding on what the individual everyman wants, a story, no more mythologies, no more lore, no more references
Just something grounded, since less is more
It was pretty good, i love me some sandman and seeing generations re-connect to each other is always heartwarming
Spider-Mania is back so im hoping we at least move on from that cuck to someone more cool and unexplored like hulk or iron man
>Avengers
Pretty good. Whedon kept under control. Decent balance between action and character moments. Lame CG finale. 7/10 >Age of Ultron
Whedon out of control. Awful metahumor villain. Characters not likeable. Good effects though, but that's become a minimum bar. 4/10 >Civil War
Fine. Plot messy but character writing decent. Didn't get spoiled about Spiderman so very much enjoyed that in the theater. 5/10 >Infinity War
Better than expected. Spectacular, full of storylines yet not absurdly messy. Interesting villain. Good climactic battle. Incomplete story. 7/10 >Endgame
Big mess. Does a surprisingly good job of having its huge cast get good moments but turgid and silly. Time travel sucks, as does having your main villain be an alternate version from the one you've watched. 4/10 >No Way Home
Not sure it's really an event movie. Fun time. Best if you turn your brain off and accept the fanservice. Lots of out-of-character stuff but Dafoe was having a fricking great time. Enjoyable climactic action. Goyslop is popular because it tastes good. Just don't base your whole identity around it, whether loving it or hating it. 6/10
Overall pretty good, their worst was Ultron but it was still fun. Avengers 5 will probably break their winning streak though, should've gone with Wanda instead of KANG.
A1: Pretty lame
Ultron: Actually pretty good
Civil War: Awful
Infinity War: Pretty good
Endgame: Eh, ok
No Way Home: Didn't see, i'm checked out of the MCU at this point
>Ultron: Actually pretty good
nah
Ultron is an excellent villain and imo of the best renditions of the murderous AI trope in fiction
Here though he was just plain boring
Plus I will never forgive them for not having Pym be his creator
I heard originally Hank and Jan where meant to be part of the original Avengers movie, but they shitcanned them because.... reason?
Ant-Man got axed since his solo film was still in active development, and Wright wanted to keep the character for himself (it was always meant to be Scott tho). Whedon intended to use Wasp only if ScarJo couldn't reprise her role.
they're pretty good, aside from AOU
Full Whedon is never a good thing
They all got their moments
Infinity War is the best
Nah civil war is best, that airport scene was epic
They literally just stand in a fricking line and charge directly towards one another with no tactics or battle plans
There all great, except for AoU, which is ok.
All are dogshit except for Infinity War which is kino
>>>>>>>Wrong board
Infinity War is still tied with The Dark Knight as the greatest superhero films ever made.
Bump
I hate having to watch 30 movies and several tv shows just to understand everything.
I have no idea how they're gonna do The Kang Dynasty & Secret Wars at this point with all the new characters & plotlines introduced in the Multiverse Saga + all the characters still around from the Infinity Saga + all the multiversal characters from other non-MCU Marvel film series
They really did bite off much more than they can chew with the endless stream of Disney+ content
ngl the MCU would've been far better off if Disney+ didn't exist and it was just movies like the Infinity Saga
They had tons of TV shows back when the early MCU was going. The difference being the TV shows existed to supplement the movies, whereas now the movies rely on the Disney+ shows just to have a basic knowledge of what's going on.
I really can't see a scenario where The Marvels succeeds given how it's a sequel to two D+ shows
I can't see any way The Marvels doesn't flop HARD
*3
Ms. Marvel, Secret Invasion, WandaVision (all the Monica stuff)
Anyone like the first Avengers movie the best?
ye. plot was simple but the character writing was at its best- characters that play well of each other, no bloated cast or action scenes and the whedon humour is tolerable. takes me back to a much better time
the Whedon films aren't great but they're the only film where the Avengers actually feel like a team, like a family
Endgame ig also kinda aside from the final act
Nothing after Endgame except for GOTG was/is worth it. No Way Home was somewhat enjoyable for its inclusion of legacy characters, but the first third of that movie is pretty boring.
>Avengers
Schlock kino
Kinda basic, and shot like a TV movie (thanks, Joss), but it's real damn fun. The character work is all great and Loki is an entertaining villain.
>AoU
Mediocre crap
Tries to be bigger than the first one, but gets too obsessed with both sequel set-up and Whedoning all over the place, and falls flat. There's some good scenes here and there, but Ultron being so absolutely fricking wasted just leaves a bad taste in the mouth
>Civil War
Alright, I guess
Better than the comic, though that's not the highest bar. Main problem is that, despite the whole concept of the film, it all feels slightly weightless. The Avengers breaking up never really gets addressed or explored after this. It also suffers from a severe lack of style; it's all so fricking grey. Aside from Giant Man, the airport fight is a really boring action scene clearly shot on a greenscreen lot to stand in for an airplane parking lot. But it's the best both Spider-Man and Black Panther have been in the MCU though, those two are great
>Infinity War
Capekino
Genuinely fantastic
I'm surprised they pulled this one off so well, considering how big the cast is and how many moving parts there are. Thanos is a quality villain, and it's got one of the best fight scenes in any capeshit movie (the one on Titan). Thor is the real standout here, probably the only time they really nailed the character. He has a perfect level of godly seriousness to him that they never got before or since. My only problems are how they fricked Hulk, how poorly used the Earth characters are, and some bad greenscreen. Absolutely kino ending
>Endgame
Really naff and navel-gazing
A real letdown after IW. Half this superlong movie is spent on a fetch quest, most of which is round places we've already seen. The time travel plot genuinely sucks, and the Thanos here is way worse. The amount of CGI is ridiculous, and the final battle is ugly as sin. It's basically everything bad about Civil War on a larger scale
>NWH
Fan service to the extreme
You can tell Sony/Disney made this for money, and money alone. The plot is fricking asinine, and relies on both Peter and Dr Strange being fricking idiots. Almost the ENTIRE appeal of the film is predicated on you knowing and caring about the previous incarnations of Spider-Man more than the MCU one. Tellingly, they're the best part of the movie. Dafoe is a kino villain, Molina is good again, and it's nice to see Tobey and Andrew back as Spider-Man. But it all feels utterly hollow. They're the main reason anyone wanted to see the film, but it's not actually THEIR film. I had a good time while watching it, but as soon as I walked out of the cinema I was thinking about how weak the film really was. There's not much substance to it at all, and it just goes to show how poorly they've failed MCU Spidey when it comes to making him his own thing. They've relied too much on linking him to Iron Man and using guest stars that he's not had any real time to come into his own, both in-universe and to the audience. The emotional core of the movie tries to be around MCU Peter and his friends, but I don't think anyone really cares enough about Zendaya, Aunt Marisa, and the fat guy for it to work. Holland sells what he can with the material, and the ending potentially sets up a good new status quo for the sequels (if they don't frick it up)
Avengers (Hot take but I really don't think these holds up)
AoU (Everything is good up until the third act)
Civil War (Dog shit movie that can't even keep it's story straight)
IW (The perfect event film)
Endgame (It's alright)
NWH (Watts cooked with this)
Why do none of the battles feel big?
Brainlet directors lacking vision
Only so much the CGI monkeys can do when you just film the actors on greenscreen American Gladiators sets and tell the monkeys to do everything else.
This is why endgame was so funny to me. Tiny battle for a supposedly universal battle
Endgame was okay for me, it was a surprise attack, the Avengers had zero time to prep and Thanos thought he had the drop on them. It was Infinity War that had the foolish battle in my opinion. They had fricking prep time and could have prepared way more defenses, and instead, it resulted in a fairly small field battle.
I mean the whole plot of deleting half the universe population was moronic anyway
I still think the airport battle in civil war was just comically bad. Like come on now
>Avengers
Great, I can see why it led to the MCU catching on. A fun as hell blockbuster.
>Age of Ultron
Very bad. I don't think there's anything redeeming about this movie. I hate the characterizations of everyone, didn't feel like a proper follow-up to anyone's stories in Phase 2. A real shame as the first trailer made it look like it would surpass the original. Whedon deserved to be ousted for this.
>Civil War
Good time but not as good upon rewatch.
>Infinity War
Peak MCU. It's very difficult to have so many characters in one movie, yet make the plot work. They structured this well and did enough to make each character feel like they mattered.
>Endgame
Not so great. I didn't like the resolutions to anything. Time travel always makes for a mess when it comes to narratives that introduce it late and this was no different.Killing IW Thanos, horrible idea. I really hate the ending for Steve. The final battle against Thanos is very hype but how we arrive there and what comes out of it sucks tbh
>No Way Home
I hate this movie. I haven't been into the MCU portrayal of Spider-man and this was the nail in the coffin. Nonsensical plot where Dr. Strange endangers the multiverse doing a spell for a teenager.Villains lacked any nuance they had in their original films, serving only as fan service. I cringed when Norman said he was something of a scientist himself. There's no substance here. It's a hollow film and frankly as a longtime Spider-man fan, this felt like a spit in the face.
>I cringed when Norman said he was something of a scientist himself
homosexual
You really need to go back if you thought that ebin meme reference was in any way good
Avengers peaked with Infinity War.
*Civil War, there's no topping that battle
airport scene or Iron Man vs Cap/buck?
Airport scene when they first clash
>A1
All-time classic, its insane to believe this movie defined a whole decade and people's perception on humor, capeshit truly broke into mainstream, we could've potentially reached a renaissance here
>AoU
Not as bad as everyone says it is, kinda comfy but unfortunately its definitely better then the first since its just that but with more names and action to it but only on a technical level, people just hate it because the first movie opened a lot of possibilities which this movie didn't take advantage of, we could've had the leap to Phase 3 with it, if only we got Ant-Man and Doctor Strange before then we would've potentially witnessed a faithfully realistic adaptations to the jack kirby runs of the 60s to 80s, one or two delays would've done so much wonders, marvels even.
>Civil War
That's where they dropped the ball, that's where everything got cringe, if they didn't bring back spiderman and had that airport scene snydergays would've unironically won, they had baron zemo but he's just some tragic victim, where's the purple hoodie? Where's the fricking aryan authority? Frick the dead family shit is great but did we really have to step down to DC's grittyness? You could still have him act as a notorious villain and be tragic
The conflict felt forced af too, how do you have general ross intervene and not have him be turned into the red hulk or at least angry? Winter Soldier killing Tony's parents was also very phoned in, Black Panther would've worked if the UN bombing was in AMERICA and at the movie's start since it would present a good conflict; after all the movie is about captain AMERICA and his whole character is what AMERICA (formerly) stands for, and he is in conflict with the new policies, "muh security" oh ffs if people die, they will die anyways, it would be heavily OOC for tony to be like this unless they get someone like ross, maria hill or carol to staple his balls to the table, frick since you have spiderman you could also toss in norman there
Cont.
and we all know how much of a sleazy c**t norman is, he could definitely get some ties with ross to further push zemo's authoritarian corruption, iron man and cap teaming up to fight iron patriot is perfectly fitting for the movie's conflict seeing as america's internal struggle is about the state vs the individual, this also doesn't mean you can't have heroes fighting heroes
War Machine, Black Widow, Black Panther, Red Hulk/Abomination, Captain Marvel and you can even have Shield dial up Hank out of retirement
So much wasted potential, this shit is just segway filler to explain the setting in Infinity War and compensate for what new ideas Age of Ultron didn't bring to the table, its Avengers 2.5
Also its most memorable quote is borrowed from the first captain america and it eternalized as a corny catchphrase within the populace
>Infinity War
This is what they were actually working on, but lets be real a lot of things in it are just setup, did we really need conscious hulk, did we really need wakanda to have this much prevalence in a movie that got hyped for its cosmic scale? when the guardians split did they seriously not learn from yondo's death?
Thanos' character is interesting, but i feel like there was something missing between his shift from the comic accurate portrayal we saw in post-credits
and GotG to this supposedly tragic big bad, he still rocked ass tho and this can be seen when you look back into the cultural impact this movie had, thanos became a household name, the hype was so big that it was the year where people on here hated on it so much the whole soi narrative started resurfacing as what was easily deemed to be contrarianism right or wrong you can't deny the fact that this movie having effect on society (me)
Cont.
shit resurfaced why nerds and geeks were treated like shit in the past, it was an even more cruel time to admit you enjoy anything that wasn't in your DMA because even if you did you'd feel the embarrassment and lack of enthusiasm from the people of the web as they deemed all integrity in art was assimilated by mass appeal, the age of irony had begun as people would belittle any form of straightforward artistic sincerity
>Endgame
Okay NOW this is what they were actually working on in 2012 to 2017, actually goes back to its comic book roots and introduces wacky ideas like time travel and undoing tragedies, it all mashes together to create this dopamine orgasm that kevin was planning all along for, nothing else mattered but that final fight and i fricking screamed when i watched it with my father, yes he looked confused at me and was embarrassed by my enjoyment and i was self aware of that but dammit i don't care that shit was DEFINITIVELY EPIC, IT WAS ART, POETRY, SOMETHING WAS CREATED OUT OF NOTHING, A DREAM WHICH IS A LIE CAME TRUE.
The cynicism didn't leave however, as matter of fact it probably just dilated the void in the hearts of many, kids trooning out, chuds return to the shadows and all that remained was a messy memory
>No Way Home
With peter parker's luck Spider-Man's late for the party, the MCU has fallen, its an empty shell of its former self and the only way it can redeem itself is through expanding on what the individual everyman wants, a story, no more mythologies, no more lore, no more references
Just something grounded, since less is more
It was pretty good, i love me some sandman and seeing generations re-connect to each other is always heartwarming
Spider-Mania is back so im hoping we at least move on from that cuck to someone more cool and unexplored like hulk or iron man
>Avengers
Pretty good. Whedon kept under control. Decent balance between action and character moments. Lame CG finale. 7/10
>Age of Ultron
Whedon out of control. Awful metahumor villain. Characters not likeable. Good effects though, but that's become a minimum bar. 4/10
>Civil War
Fine. Plot messy but character writing decent. Didn't get spoiled about Spiderman so very much enjoyed that in the theater. 5/10
>Infinity War
Better than expected. Spectacular, full of storylines yet not absurdly messy. Interesting villain. Good climactic battle. Incomplete story. 7/10
>Endgame
Big mess. Does a surprisingly good job of having its huge cast get good moments but turgid and silly. Time travel sucks, as does having your main villain be an alternate version from the one you've watched. 4/10
>No Way Home
Not sure it's really an event movie. Fun time. Best if you turn your brain off and accept the fanservice. Lots of out-of-character stuff but Dafoe was having a fricking great time. Enjoyable climactic action. Goyslop is popular because it tastes good. Just don't base your whole identity around it, whether loving it or hating it. 6/10
i found Age of ultron rather boring Civil war AKA Avengers 2.5 was much better
Overall pretty good, their worst was Ultron but it was still fun. Avengers 5 will probably break their winning streak though, should've gone with Wanda instead of KANG.