Thoughts on the possibility of more Sonic comics being set in the Movie continuity?
Thoughts on the possibility of more Sonic comics being set in the Movie continuity?
Thoughts on the possibility of more Sonic comics being set in the Movie continuity?
Not going to happen unless the third movie is huge rather than a modest sucess like the first and second
>modest success
Anon the first was the most successful video game movie ever and the second rapidly exceeded it. What are you talking about?
in the modern economy a sonic movie has to make at least 1000 billion dollars to be profitable due to money depreciating in value so quickly
it's real, look up "sonic inflation" if you wanna know more about this economic phenomenon
Gee, that's depressing reading.
Yeah, that report by Dobs and Son was really harrowing, there's no telling when the bubble will burst.
frick you i hate that i fell for this shit
Complete bullshit that you pulled out of your ass. On the same level as the average moronation that comes out of the mouths of Cinemaphile to call any movie that isn't a capeshit blockbuster a "flop".
Dude, it's a legitimate economic issue. A quick internet search on "sonic inflation" would tell you this.
>legitimate economic issue
And what does that have to do with the fact that your estimate being complete fricking bullshit that's obvious to anyone with sense?
came embarrassingly close to actually googling this, I mean, I opened a tab even. Well done.
It was very profitable but it wasn't big enough to be mainstream, Pixar and MCU make 1 billion half of the time. It would need to make at least 600 million to be as memorable as the game version.
>Pixar
Lightyear literally couldn't even beat Sonic 2.
>MCU
Yes, because comparing capeshit blockbusters to a fun family flick is fair. moron.
>Yes, because comparing capeshit blockbusters to a fun family flick is fair. moron.
Jurassic World made one billion also you're missing the point, it is not about profit is about mainstream this version is to make Sega give a frick about this version.
Anon...Paramount are the ones who have the majority of the say in the Movie continuity. It's up to them if they want to do more comics, Sega is there at best to sign off on it.
>most successful video game movie ever
The fact you have to qualify it like that is the answer.
Shadowsweep
Considering it's the most popular I can see it happening. Sega might not want a bunch of continuities ongoing though because IP holders are weird like that. It's also why I believe that Sonic Prime won't last beyond the already agreed upon number of episodes.
I keep seeing people on here (probably the same person) claim that the movie pre-quill was more popular than the main IDW comic but do you have any facts to back this up?
More like the movie is popular with mainstream and only Sonic fans are keeping up with the comics.
still that doesn't translate into concrete proof that the pre-quill itself is more popular than the main comic (which is the claim I see being thrown around)
Nobody cares. If it bothers you that much then you go find the numbers for the comics and use it whenever that dastardly anon pops back making such a bold claim. Put that autism to good use.
Sure why not, the comic cant get any more boring anyways.
Pre-Quill was actually good though
>Thoughts on the possibility of more Sonic comics being set in the Movie continuity?
that is not gonna happend any time soon since idw is low on cash and they wont last 6 months
Doesn't have to be IDW.
IDW is the one that holds lincese for the sonic comics did you forget that ?
Paramount partially owns movie Sonic right? I am not sure if they fall under the exclusivity contract SEGA has.
It likely is just that Paramount can go to any publisher it wants as long as SEGA agrees to it
Paramount wouldn't care what publisher is used. They'd just want the comics to come out and use it as promotion. Unless IDW is incapable of doing it.
Paramount partially owns Movie Sonic, yes. If Paramount wanted, they could go to any publisher so long as they get the go-ahead from SEGA; IDW doesn't factor into things. It's why Jim Carrey had a say in the story-writing for Robotnik's half of Pre-Quill.
And if IDW losses the license, then all it takes is Dark Horse or Image or anyone else approaching SEGA to do a new comic run. Sega really doesn't give two shifts about the comics.
get with the times boomer Webtoon is where it is at.
>Webtoon
>approaching SEGA
Never ever.
Atleast it would follow the budget theme for the rest of the franchise.
>carrey retires from acting
>becomes a writer for eggman comics
IDW would have to give up the license and even then it wouldn't be immediate. If they did today then it might take 2-3 years before another publisher starts up because the contract would end and then Sega would start looking.
>If they did today then it might take 2-3 years before another publisher starts up because the contract would end and then Sega would start looking.
you're so naive do you really think sega would give a single shit about the sonic comic they only care about the games not comic
>and then Sega would start looking.
>SEGA
>looking
You dense frick, SEGA didn't approach shit
IDW approached SEGA
I haven't read it yet, anyone care to storytime?
What the frick is there to work with?
Tie-in comics are filler
Not with the miniscule cast it has right now.
But given enough development with the films, movie comics could actually be way better than IDW as it stands
Potentially. After the third movie and Knuckles show.
You guys still wouldn't buy it.
I probably would but I prefer IDW adopt a different business model.
>Sonic
>Tails
>Knuckles
>Sonic's weirdo Overlander parent(s?)
>Robotnik and minions
I think a good writer could work with a cast like this.
Theyre not just Sonic's parents, but Tails and Knuckles' as well.
Exactly. One of the most convenient things the movies do for a comic writer is make Team Sonic adopted brothers, they have all the reason to interact with each other.
Pretty much. They also make the Master Emerald permanently portable so Knuckles isn't stuck on some godforsaken island away from literally everyone else.
Still sounds like his village was really shit. Either his parents disowned and abandoned him, or they're very dead.
>Still sounds like his village was really shit
Does it? Because that's the thing, it doesn't. You're unknowingly filling in the blanks in your head. Tails doesn't say anything about what his village was like. The movie doesn't say anything about what his village was like. We don't even know if it was a village, the movie doesn't say!
Was really damn disappointed by that, I came to see what movieverse Tails was gonna be compared to his other selves and he ends up being just a blank slate. Hopefully they fix that if there's ever a 3.
>if there's ever a 3.
>if
They greenlit it like, a week after 2 came out.
He pretty heavily implies that he wasn't treated well, anon.
>Hopefully they fix that if there's ever a 3.
Literally greenlit already.
>Growing up, I didn't have any friends. Everyone in my village thought my two tails were weird
This is literally the sum total of everything Tails says the entire movie about his home. That he didn't have friends because his mutation is weird.
It doesn't show anything about the state of his village at all, just that he's a mutant, which we can already see
Tails parents are absent in every piece of media outside of Archie (even in Archie's case, they're absent for much of his life), so they probably aren't around in the Movie continuity.
Also, his village treating him like shit becasuse of his second tail is a really early classic thing. It's how Sonic found him to begin with.
>Also, his village treating him like shit becasuse of his second tail is a really early classic thing. It's how Sonic found him to begin with.
Do you have any proof this actually happend in the classic games ?
>Do you have any proof this actually happend in the classic games ?
Not that anon but here:
https://info.sonicretro.org/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_2_(16-bit)/Manuals#Translated_from_Japanese
Tails being bullied because he's a mutant is from the Japanese Sonic 2 Genesis manual.
I'd recommend reading the Japanese manuals in general. They actually form a pretty strong continuity.
They are uncanon. They are worthless to read.
The only reason why he is known today as Tails and not only as Miles Prower is because the american team came up with a backstory to explain the nickname and it convinced the japanese team to compromise. That's how his full name ended up being Miles "Tails" Prower.
I already said why it's different when it comes to the movie. Sonic and the rest of the cast have really barebones backstories in the games, too, because the games are a different medium where their lives don't matter as much as the current events creating gameplay.
Sonic and Knuckles are given new origins because they want you to understand their origins as part of their characters. Sonic lives alone because Longclaw was killed by Echidnas. Knuckles lives alone because Not-Locke was killed by Longclaw. Sonic grew up knowing the things he does because he stalked Tom. Knuckles grew up knowing the things he does because he was raised by the Echidna tribe to be a warrior.
"I never used to have any friends because of my weird 2nd tail" isn't enough for a movie origin. We don't know where Tails' parents are, why he is alone, how he grew up, anything that they recognised as necessary for Sonic and Knuckles. Is he an orphan in an orphanage? Is he a feral child that raised himself in the jungle? Why does he have a lab in that one random scene? Where did he learn to make technology? Those questions are answered for every character except Tails. They should have been answered.
I agree, he got the short end of the stick I would have loved to see more
I want to see Tails teaching Sonic to swim like him and Sonic is trying but he's sinking while paddling and looking very worried.
Does anyone remember when Sonic 2 started getting advertised and it looked more like an actual adaptation of S2 with Tails as a focal point? Even to the point where his tails where part of the logo?
Then all of a sudden, Knuckles got announced, with a major Hollywood star as his VA, and he stole the entire spotlight from the little guy.
I'm not gonna hold my breath for more Tails focus, not when Keanu the Hedgehog is here
Yeah in a way the poor guy got screwed but I can understand why. It's not like the studio could allow themselves to slowly build up the franchise, they had to take the chance and aim for maximum success, that's why it seems that the third movie is basically going to be Sonic Adventure 2 instead of 1 since it's by far one of the most popular stories that features the second most popular character in the franchise.
If Metal and Amy are lucky they'll get thrown in as well otherwise they're screwed.
Now those two are definitely in a worse position now but only time will tell
Amy's a possibility (they said they couldn't speak on it though), Metal on the other hand...
It'd be weird to introduce three hedgehogs in one movie.
Unit will either become Metal Sonic or the Omega of the Movie continuity.
While it's true that movie skims over Tails' backstory, it's still implied that he had a bad time growing up like how in the bar scene him being called freak took a massive blow to his self esteem. I agree that I would have liked to see more about his past, the idea of him being an orphan is something that's present in most versions of the character so that's why people assume it's the same here. I find curious that him not knowing his parents is a pretty common thing but he is always aware that his real name is Miles Prower.
>the idea of him being an orphan is something that's present in most versions of the character
Pretty sure that's only in AOSTH and nowhere else
He's only ever had parents in Archie. So literally every other incarnation is "nowhere else".
That's just because of SEGA's weird japanese storytelling rules. Like how Amy is 12 but owns an apartment and drives a car, they just don't wanna show the parents but also refuse to acknowledge whether or not they exist because adults supposedly aren't appealing to kids
Tails literally lives on his own and has only ever referred to and treated Sonic as his brother. He almsot certainly doesn't have parents in any non-Archie continuity. Same for Sonic in the games.
Sonic lives on his own. Tails lives on his own. Amy lives on her own. Big lives on his own. Blaze lives on her own (despite being a princess, not a queen). They ALL live on their own, it's a rule that they're not allowed to show the parents or explain where the parents are, they're not a random assortment of tragic orphans from the same orphanage with backstories behind how their parents died and they inherited all their property and became self-sufficient at the age of 4. It's just a Jap trope that you don't show the parents onscreen.
He's also never referred to Sonic as his "brother". The manuals say they're "like brothers", which means close friends.
>It's just a Jap trope that you don't show the parents onscreen.
Name one fricking time.
>He's also never referred to Sonic as his "brother". The manuals say they're "like brothers", which means close friends.
They literally treat each other like family going by those same manuals, so don't play this card.
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ConvenientlyAnOrphan
>tvtropes
Opinions discarded.
>no argument
I accept your concession that you cannot argue against the literal hundreds of examples, but can only cry and deny like a little child.
>Name one fricking time.
NTA and it's not Sonic but Kingdom Hearts has Sora's mom call him for dinner from off screen at the start of the first game, and we never hear or see from her again. So he's got parents they just never matter.
Nomura is also a very specific brand of hyperautist who is more focused on his convoluted lore than anything else. There are tons of Japanese writers which depict the parents of the main characters.
>There are tons of Japanese writers which depict the parents of the main characters.
And there are tons that don't. I dunno what to tell you but it's pretty clear from posts above this that you'll discount any evidence I can bring to bear so have a nice day.
>Name one fricking time
If you insist
https://www.ranker.com/list/anime-teenagers-who-live-alone/anna-lindwasser
https://recommendmeanime.com/10-anime-teens-mysteriously-live-alone/
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MinorLivingAlone
>They literally treat each other like family going by those same manuals
No they don't, moron. This is never said.
Official media like the comics or cartoons treat them as actual brothers, so it doesn't matter what autists think.
>b-but muh canon
b***h this is a thread for the movies, get the frick out of here if you're obsessing over game canon.
We're literally discussing whether Tails has parents in the games or not, idiot. The cartoons and comics are not written by Sega, and Sega have never said that they're actual brothers. Cope.
>We're literally discussing whether Tails has parents in the games or not, idiot.
No, that was never the topic of conversation. That's what you started swinging it towards when you got BTFO'd for trying to argue that Tails MUST have parents in the movies, they just aren't shown for whatever reason. Frick off moron.
Actual autism.
>that image
I swear to Chip, if Sonic Prime is nothing like the promo images I'm going to be very mad.
Did you see the clip with Big yet?
You mean the ten second clip in Green Hill Zone and Big's mouth looks weird and nothing else is really shown? Yes I did.
>anyone or anything proving my delusions wrong i-i-is just autism! You're autistic for knowing what you're talking about, not me for being a loud moron!
Rofl. It's a Jap trope, kid.
>It's a Jap trope
Not really. For every example you give where parents aren't shown or are conspicuously absent, there are just as many where the parents are in fact shown. MHA, Mieruko-chan, Kimetsu no Yaiba, Pokemon, Digimon, Gundam, etc.
You trying to generalize an entire culture is not "proof". It is horrendous crippling autism of a level that only /sthg/ could produce.
>"if this trope is not present in every single piece of fiction to ever come out of the country, even if it exists in half of them, it therefore does not exist at all"
>"therefore you are muh boogeyman"
Nope. I'm done. My 'tism-level is not high enough to argue against the average Sonic moron.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out, moron.
>Sonic lives on his own
Wrong. The only times Sonic has had a permanent home are in Chronicles (which isnt canon) and Boom, where everyone barring Knuckles has a house somewhere and they're all aged up by an unknown degree compared to their Modern selves. Sonic is canonically a wanderer, who is occasionally depicted lounging around with Tails in his workshop(s).
>Tails lives on his own
Correct, but no parents are ever mentioned.
>Amy lives on her own
Correct. Still no parents present.
>Big lives on his own
Big doesn't even have a house.
>Blaze lives on her own
We have no idea what Blaze's living situation is like. It's never touched upon anywhere, even in Rush and 06.
>Big doesn't even have a house.
He has that little jungle hut in Mystic Ruins in the first Adventure game.
That doesn't count.
>Sonic is canonically a wanderer
Anon I'm pretty sure the contextual meaning of "lives alone" in this conversation is "lives with their parents". Sonic doesn't live with his parents, and when SEGA depict Blaze in her palace they don't show her parents either. Same with Big, and everyone else. Parents just aren't allowed, it's not a backstory thing.
>Anon I'm pretty sure the contextual meaning of "lives alone" in this conversation is "lives with their parents".
Except that's not true either. Amy lives alone in her own personal apartment with no family shown, Tails has his various workshops which have never been depicted as housing more than one person (barring occasionally Sonic) and his Sonic 2 backstory openly states he was shunned by the village so if he has parents then they're not raising him, Big and Rouge are almost adults and Big has at BEST a little hut in the middle of the jungle, Knuckles is the last of his kind and explicitly lives alone in the middle of Angel Island guarding the M.E., Silver comes from a ruined future where everyone is dead, Shadow's father and sister figures are fricking DEAD, etc.
The precedent for parents in Sonic either not being around or outright dead is larger than the sample size that could infer that they have living parents who are active in their lives. Only fricking Cream and MAYBE Blaze in Rush (not 06) have actual parents.
Rouge is 18 and Big is 20, more than old enough to live alone.
Rouge also owns a casino and works for GUN, so she's financially secure enough to justify it. In Big's case, he just wants to fish.
You can't extrapolate from the fact Shadow killed his Dad and Knuckles' species are confirmed to die off that Amy and Tails and Sonic are orphans too. They're not the same characters. If they wanted dead parents to be their backstories, they would come out and say it.
Well, we know movie Sonic is an orphan now, since we saw his adopted mother get killed...
He has a new one, and a dad, nd two brothers. Sure he probably still has 10 years worth of trauma and abandonment issues to work through, but he's getting better.
Fricking sucks to be any other Sonic though.
>You can't extrapolate from the fact Shadow killed his Dad and Knuckles' species are confirmed to die off that Amy and Tails and Sonic are orphans too.
You absolutely can.
> If they wanted dead parents to be their backstories, they would come out and say it.
By that same logic, if they wanted living parents, they'd just show them. They already have Vanilla and Cream, so there's literally nothing stopping them. Not like this matters, since movie Sonic's first adoptive parent is very fricking dead.
The movie didn’t spend nearly enough time on Tails, and one of the ways this shows is that we don’t even know if Tails is an orphan or not.
>we don’t even know if Tails is an orphan or not.
Well if we follow the canon game lore Tails is infact a orphan im pretty sure the movie is gonna follow that ruleset as well so
>Overlander
Stop that.
This. Just call them humans. Overlanders would never adopt a mobian.
Overlanders aren't a thing. Sonic has always existed alongside regular ass humans.
>Overlanders aren't a thing
Not anymore. Good riddance.
They easily have enough to work with. Sonic comics get worse whenever there’s a million side characters.
They have more than enough and they can easily add more. Especially when there are 8-10 movies planned.
If Dark Horse finally buys the Sonic lincese then that means the comic is finally gonna have a serious tone and it wont be brother with the stupid ass mandates hopefully
The mandates are on SEGA's end. Part of the reason the film has fewer mandates is because it is a different universe.
And stupid amounts of money. The only time gaijins get a say is when they write very big checks.
Yes because those Plants vs Zombies comics Dark Horse did were soooooo serious
>Yes because those Plants vs Zombies comics Dark Horse did were soooooo serious
You keep forgetting that Dark Horse has the Spawn Comic
Er, McFarlane's Spawn? Thats Image.
Oh my bad i forgot that it was from image comics i get confused sometimes
It also had Buffy (which was constantly fluctuating in terms of quality), still has Hellboy/BPRD, published Beasts of Burden, etc. Beasts of Burden especially proves that Dark Horse can do a serious talking animals plot.
The big problem, as always, are the Sega mandates and whether or not Dark Horse can throw enough money at Sega to get them to frick off.
>The big problem, as always, are the Sega mandates and whether or not Dark Horse can throw enough money at Sega to get them to frick off.
We still dont know if the Sega mandates are real or not it could be just made up shit by IDW or it could be real thing sega made we dont have any phyisical proof that they exist
It was confirmed by the writers of Sonic Boom that they are very real. Shadow wasn't allowed to be funny so writers took his seriousness to the extreme and only used him in a couple episodes. Same reason why Metal Sonic was barely used. Once again they preferred using OC's since they were able to do more with them.
>Once again they preferred using OC's since they were able to do more with them.
You mean the cardboard OC's that IDW made ?
Yes, because they're allowed to grow and change. The game cast must remain static.
Uhh how? Aside from Starline no one really got any major development outside their initial storyline and even then it was all really limited.
I wouldn't even call what Starline got character development. He's still an Eggman-obsessed loon, just focused on proving by example.
No anon I'm talking about Sonic Boom, the show that came out in 2013 when Archie still had the comic license. The show started off with a lot of random characters in the town the show takes place in and as time went on a lot of them got personalities and roles. Some of them became recurring villains.
Those mandates have been mentioned not just by Ian, but by Evan herself (usually in the vein of "Sega said X"). Acting like the mandates don't exist has always been cope by people looking for a single individual to blame (Ian) instead of Sega as a whole.
Hell, the mandates for Shadow alone are the entire reason why Ian refuses to write for him anymore.
I dont blame ian most of the fault for IDW being so fricking boring and shit goes to editor since he doesn't know what is a difference between a fun and interesting story to a boring as hell story
I honestly believe Ian has lost what little touch he had.
Judging from the Bumblekast no I blame Ian. He has a number of bad takes.
>He has a number of bad takes.
Then tell me what are the bad takes that he made then ?
>making a fictional evil race in your story makes you a racist in real life
>Tails won’t find love because he’s a kid, shipping children is creepy (despite 90% of the cast being underaged, and none of them besides Cream and Charmy act like kids). Amy’s only 4 years older than him and he has 0 problems talking about her love with Sonic.
>making a fictional evil race in your story makes you a racist in real life
are you talking about the dingos or the Echidnas because they both are Penders idea not Ian so
He doesn’t want the Zeti to be a 100% evil race because apparently that’s racist.
Who gives a frick about the Zeti anyway.
Iizuka does.
I do when it's convenient to my argument
>There is no point in making locations distinct or memorable if they are not important to the grander narrative
>No point in doing character exploration if there is no development (why would you want to explore a character's psyche)
>There is no point in exploring a cool idea if it can only be used once.
>There is no point in making locations distinct or memorable if they are not important to the grander narrative
>No point in doing character exploration if there is no development (why would you want to explore a character's psyche)
>There is no point in exploring a cool idea if it can only be used once.
Are you talking about archie or IDW ?
This was stuff he said when asked questions about IDW.
The majority of those, in context, read like he's simply stopped caring since he explicitly isn't allowed to do shit with any setting element more complex beyond "Sonic fights Eggman".
Nope!
He was asked openly if he would be allowed freedom with world building original locations that do not affect existing world building. He said yes but questioned the point.
I mean, he can make locations. That's never been in question. It's just that, there's zero history or anything to make it worthwhile. Economy isn't even a thing in Sonic, so at best, he'd just be building up locations filled with background OC's like that one blatant SU reference during the Metal Virus arc that won't get referenced again. Pointless and a waste of page space.
He can make a history for them.
With the scraps Sega allows thrm to use? Get real. Even Evan, who is the current head writer, can't salvage the worldbuilding for IDW and she's the sort of person who wrote whole fricking passages of alt-history for her own fancomic.
It'll be interesting to see what her long term plans are. Even though she's been head writer for a while, the newest issues have mostly been an Ian story because the Imposter Syndrome comic feels like the only thing with actual plot progression and the main comic being filler.
Yes you can make new stuff as long as all the other media can continue as is and ignore it.
Just don't contradict existing lore or touch upon something SEGA MIGHT want to use
>if this character is very powerful I must write them out of the story immediately instead of making the villains think around this
Very convenient to go "Ian said they exist" when he's repeatedly at this point said he regrets having used the word further and that they're just guidelines that any rightsholder has the right to ask for, and that even Evan has spoken of them in a much lighter note, and that overall the fandom exaggerates them tenfold
Source? Because even the Boom writers have said that they're ludicrously strict
. Not that I'm expecting you to have actual sources, since you're just here to find an excuse to villainize Ian.
NTA
>Q:Why are some people trying to prove that the so-called SEGA mandates exist when it was stated that they don't?
Years ago one of the former writers had a message board and at one point something happened in the comic that fans were displeased with and he said that it was out of his hands because of the Sega mandates. Now by "mandates", he meant the rules/guidelines/whatever you want to call them. They are not set in stone, they are ever evolving by SoA and SoJ. It changes over the years, by region, and what side of the company is dictating things at that time. Who is approving can change and they can forget things that were accepted in the past. It is not ironclad thing. It's extremely frustrating and was very surprising to Ian when he learned about it. This is a big international company, surely there is a hard and fast way things are run. But no. There are people who don't want to accept that a company controls their own product. They can't be argued otherwise. Fact of the matter is, Sonic is a large media property, it is regulated by the license holder, and sometimes those rules can change.
>Q:Do you ever regret mentioning mandates, or specifically using the term "mandates"?
Ian inherited that, he didn't start it. That entire idea was presented originally on another writer's forum way back in the day and it was the first time to clue in alot of the young fans that a licensed book does work under restrictions. That's how it goes. Ian's tried to stop using it because at this point it lost it's actual meaning. Yes the licensor has rules for their property, and you have to work with that. That's life. Ian tries to be as accurate as he can be but he can be wrong and some things can change. Bumblekast, take them with a grain of salt.
>MV: And the finale to season 2, which sees all the major characters return against Shadow, who tries to end the universe, also had a pretty big budget. Fittingly so!
>Alan: Oh, man. Writing for Shadow was a challenge in itself. SEGA did not consider him a comedy character. They told us we could use him, he could be on the show, but he was not to be making any jokes. We were like “uh, sure.” So to work around that, the joke became the very fact that Shadow is completely humorless. So edgy, all the time. It was funny that he was here, having to deal with all these crazy people.
>Greg: Shadow was a character that was very protected by SEGA. They were reluctant to let us use him very much, and when we did use him, he came with so many notes and restrictions that it was easier to not use him. That’s why he wasn’t on the show as much as fans would have wanted.
>MV: So that’s why he was relegated to being a once-in-a-blue-moon, ‘special episode’ character. Was Metal Sonic the same? He doesn’t even talk, you could have used him more!
>Alan: Yeah, Metal Sonic only put in the one appearance.
>Greg: But we brought him back for the finale. Honestly, when characters that were existing, original-universe Sonic characters were brought in, those episodes were just too hard to write for. There were so many notes, they were such protected characters. We got to have so much more freedom with characters of our own, like Dave the Intern and the Mayor, that it was just easier. Did we want to include Big the Cat? Sure we did. But writing that would have been a huge headache, it would have had to have gone through so many layers of clearance. It would have taken ages to get approved. It wasn’t worth it. Hence why there’s only Shadow, Metal Sonic, and Vector the Crocodile in a handful of episodes.
Wow, all this sounds familiar.
https://www.megavisions.net/building-a-boom-iverse-an-interview-with-sonic-writers-alan-denton-and-greg-hahn/
For those that want to read it. Very interesting.
Neat.
>They were reluctant to let us use him very much, and when we did use him, he came with so many notes and restrictions that it was easier to not use him. That’s why he wasn’t on the show as much as fans would have wanted.
Even with this actual proof, schizos are still going to blame Ian for IDW Shadow being an actual moron. It's no use.
>Did we want to include Big the Cat? Sure we did. But writing that would have been a huge headache, it would have had to have gone through so many layers of clearance.
Ok, I get this anally dacronic ruling for someone Shadow (and that made him a terrible character). Even Vector in some cases.
But Big is a perfect boi whose made for comedic chops. How could Boom have done him wrong?
My god, SEGA is the worst thing about Sonic
I'm in the same boat. Why the FRICK do they have such autistically asspained rulings/mandates over fricking Big of all characters?
Sega has always been the biggest problem with Sonic. It's why the movies and all the other spinoff media ended up a million times better the instant you get them away from SEGA's hands.
>Sega has always been the biggest problem with Sonic. It's why the movies and all the other spinoff media ended up a million times better the instant you get them away from SEGA's hands.
I at wonder how Sega is still alive when they are so fricking spiteful and moronic.
>Sabotaged their very successful American branch.
>Keeps mishandling their IP's even their most noteworthy like Sonic and Sakura Wars.
>Keeps ignoring their old IP's needing other people to actually do something with them.
Like were not they been very lucky that big shot jap guy covering their debts back then they be dead now and maybe Sonic would be in a better place.
Sega literally has Yakuza to fall back on. That's all they care about and so long as that's doing well, the crime lords who actually run the company don't care.
>mandatesgay is here now
Reminder that you are a dogfricking homosexual who ruins threads and obsessed over something you can't even define, much less convey properly
Besides you got the games, X, and Prime that all have various degrees of what I want.
Don't forget such dead serious series as Groo The Wanderer
>he thinks the mandates won't follow
Ah ha ha, how cute.
Well, actually its because Sega has little to no creative input on the movies whatsoever.
If you want a serious comic with minimal mandates, then Image is the way to go. But given Dark Horse acquiring Ghostbusters from IDW, there's a good chance they'll be the first ones to ask Sega for the license.
>If you want a serious comic with minimal mandates, then Image is the way to go
Skybound aside, Image doesn't do licenseshit
Sad.
Dude, Image has been doing their best since TWD ended
Eric Stephenson was right about licensed comics
Anymore.
They used to. But fair point. If they still did though, then they're easily the best option.
>inb4 Webtoon
They don't do licensed comics. They let fancomics hang out there, but officially licensed stuff? Not as far as I'm aware.
>They don't do licensed comics. They let fancomics hang out there, but officially licensed stuff? Not as far as I'm aware.
Isn't Skullgirls getting that?
Sounds as fun as rape.
What a society...
Tails... had a hard life
You'll never have a 2 eyed, center mouthed Sonic The Hedgehog that can emote.
Sonicfriends are so delusional that they don't realize this is how literally every other fictional character outside Sonic games emotes
The lore they gave to tails in the movie is almost the exact same as sonic X the only thing missing is the 3 bullies being butthole to him and destroying his inventions
In a movie that ends with him maybe-or-maybe-not adopted by Tom, they gotta at least clarify if he has parents or not. That shit only passes in X and the games because noone there has parents except Cream.
Just accept the fact that Tails parent's wont be shown in the movie im pretty sure the village will also not be shown in the movie same goes for the villagers treating him like shit
>Just accept the fact that Tails parent's wont be shown in the movie
Why should I accept it? It's dumb, and they should've fleshed him out more.
There's no reason they'd show his village in the Movie. At most, it will get mentioned offhand in movie 3 or the Knuckles show.
Because it doesn't matter. If it REALLY bugs you that much, then hold out hope that they do another Drone Home-style short that addresses it.
All you need to know is that the three brothers are traumatized and have been alone for most of their lives before now. That's it.
It does matter, because it lessens the impact of his character. It'd be as if you took away the entire Knuckles flashback from movie 2 and just made him say "I'm the last echidna" with no other explanation about where the frick the others from 1 went or if Knuckles is an orphan. Seeing that backstory made Knuckles compelling. Keeping it as nothing would not.
Read between the lines anon. It's really clear he didn't have a good time in the village. Better yet, read the novelization; it explicitly spells out that he lived outside the village because of how shit they treated him.
Read between what two lines? THERE IS ONLY ONE LINE SAID ABOUT IT IN THE ENTIRE FRICKING MOVIE!
It’s a blatant waste of characterisation, a shitty decision, and a waste of how they could have and should have used Tails’ character the same way they did Eonic and Knuckles.
They didn’t scrap the entire Longclaw plot of Sonic 1, and every single scene of Sonic wistfully watching Tom and wishing he had a a family again, because that’d be stupid. If you don’t see their story, and if nothing is shown of their story, and the sum total of their story is them speaking a SINGLE FRICKING SENTENCE in dialogue, then there is no story.
If Sonic had as little story as Tails did, there’d be none of those scenes in Sonic 1, just Sonic saying “oh yeah I’m homeless btw” to Tom once and then nothing more. That’s how stupid this is, wasting Tails like that.
And if you have to read a novel to make a movie compelling, maybe you should have made the movie good instead.
Autism.
So, you literally just made it up to “win” the imaginary anonymous internet argument?
Cool, good to know this is the quality of conversation I’ve come to expect from here. I’m not even surprised.
Autism.
While I understand your frustration regarding how his backstory was handled I don't see the situation as entirely bleak since at least there existed scenes that tried to characterize him and plant the seeds for an arc, could it have been done better? most definitely yes, among other things in the movie.
The success of the movie means that this will not be the last we'll see these characters and the heads behind the project had said that there are plans to continue to develop and explore the game cast that has already been introduced, only time will tell if they succeed.
Man, don't remind me how I usually share threads with tons of pedocoomers, I sometimes try to move the conversation into actual discussion with varying degrees of success but it's such a hard endeavour that I usually don't bother.
I gave up trying to redeem Tails threads years ago. I just hide them now.
I just recently started to do it since I just got back into Sonic thanks to movies. What surprised me the most is how those kind of threads can be 500 post of nothing but image dumps and the Cinemaphile jannies do nothing.
Cinemaphile jannies are the ones who make them, since I'm pretty certian you can get banned for pointing out that theyre borderline porn dumps.
Holy shit, big if true
You can ask basically anyone on Cinemaphile and they'll confirm that the threads are intentionally left up. Can't say whether or not they'll ban you for speaking out, but they DEFINITELY delete posts who want the pornposters to frick off.
>Better yet, read the novelization; it explicitly spells out that he lived outside the village because of how shit they treated him
I don’t remember this, post proof or gtfo
Whilst the passage stating that Tails lived outside the villages continues to elude me, it's pretty explicit that he was an outcast to the rest of his people ("outsider to his own kind"). And the relationship was definitely abusive too, since it's stated he was called a crazy freak back home in the village.
So you made it up? Cheers for that then. At least post a screencap of that other thing you said about being called a “crazy freak” since now everything you say is put into question.
And all this is besides my point anyway. As I said here:
it’s not enough that Tails says through dialogue in one line in the entire movie that he has no friends. That’d be the same as Sonic having no story and no scenes in 1, but instead just saying “Hey Tom I’m homeless by the way so I want you to be my dad”. They badly under-utilised Tails in the movie, when he should have had his story fleshed out the same way Sonic and Knuckles were. Uet he wasn’t, which is wasting him.
>At least post a screencap of that other thing you said about being called a “crazy freak” since now everything you say is put into question.
Literally in that post you replied to, you blind wienereating moron. Second paragraph.
And that's my last reply to you. Frick off back to /sthg/ and get checked for your crippling autism.
>Tailsgay is so fricking moronic he can't even read a single post
This is why your threads always degenerate into people spamming porn and wanting to rape the fox. It's because you're all fricking moronic.
>No live action scene of Tails being trolled by the villagers
We were robbed. If in the next movie he's depicted as being adopted by the Wachowskis then that at least that would be something.
Reminder that Sonic Adventure 1, Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic And the Secret Rings, Sonic Unleashed , and Sonic and the Black Knight are all amazing Sonic stories and are all fully self-contained.
I won't even read the thread. Let me guess. Tailsgays are yet again regurgitating the whole thing of Fiona and Sonic for, like, the thousandth time, aren't they?
It's one Tailsgay getting violently upset because he has a victim complex over the movies not giving Tails the same amount of backstory in the movies as Sonic and Knuckles, and like one or two /sthg/gays shitposting over "canon".
So you know, the usual from the typical morons who flock to these threads.
Nah mate, today's shitshow is movie and game canon discussion but it's mostly over.
I don't like it since I find the films setting dull.
But the sucess of them can't be ignored and it's only a matter of time.
Sonic's setting has been fairly dull for over a decade. At least the films try to incorporate more interesting shit, like the Labryinth or those zones Tails travels through in the comic.
Yeah because the Sonic series never had labyrinths or zones before.
Autiam.
>shadow in movie 3
Live and learn is happening, right?
The movies music suck shit
it's also why you will never have sex.
Because the music in the movies suck?
yes
Cute brothers.
This is why I won't watch the movies.
I hate dance scenes in movies.
He got trolled
Is this from Origins?
Yes
Guess AoStH and SatAM Tails was one of those foxes
>Metal Sonic and Knuckles
Is Sega trying to downplay Shadow? He's almost never shown.
>Shadow
>In Sonic 1, 2, CD or 3 & K
....Really?
New animated cutscenes, yes.
IDW wants to put out a new Sonic ongoing and you get to choose. What is it?
I just want something like Sonic Universe to exist again.
Sonic the Comic. One Sonic story and then strips about other Sega IPs.
>Letting IDW die a painful death of excessive licenseshit
Boco, you're an idiot
>Letting IDW die a painful death of excessive licenseshit
Boco, you're a saint, handing out this type of mercy
Anon, this is the one time Boco has suggested anything even vaguely beneficial. IDW dying would be a godsend.
A Sonic that uses the Classic games cast, with an annual crossover event with the current IDW Sonic ongoing, sort of like The Justice League/Justice Society crossovers in the 2000s.
Chaotix Detective Comics are great.
A Mighty and the Chaotix story.
Shiiieet. I don't want a new Sonic ongoing.
I want the entire line changed up. i'm going full Geoff Johns on this.
Here are my ideas:
SONIC THE HEDGEHOG
>anthology of simple single issue and 3 part arc stories made by a variety of artists & writers. Just an excuse for any creative to put a tribute to the Blue Blur
SONIC HEROES
>It's basically what IDW is now, big event plot driven capeshit for kids. Has a lot of characters. Flynn still writing, ABT is art. First arc will feature just Sonic, Tails, Knux & Amy vs Eggman.
SONIC WORLD
>It's Sonic Universe but IDW. All those stupid minis for OCs get locked here as well. First story is a Chaotix mystery that launches their mini.
Every comic will also contain a little backup strip featuring Classic Sonic & co. drawn by KKM
Limited Series includes:
>Tails Adventure
>Chaotix: Downtown Detectives
>Dr. Eggman's Mean Machines
>Team Dark
And finally IDW announces they accuired the rights to Archie Sonic and STC to start making omnibus collections. Plus they can finish Sonic Megadrive
I love you.
Has to be something focusing on the Classic universe. It's just sitting around collecting dust otherwise thanks to Iizuka's stupid mandates.
TailsTube killed Two Worlds, so I can only hope that it erases the dumb bullshit splitting Classic off into its own timeline.
I honestly wonder if the two worlds thing was a mistranslation or misinterpretation by the fans because of how little has actually come of it.
Iizuka has had interviews where he justified the split, so no. It was always a thing, Iizuka was just moronic and didn't factor in how the hell it was supposed to work whatsoever.
I think it was literal, Sonic X had Sonic and friends come from an alternate world.
It was also a thing in Fleetway.
The movies also chose to run with it, but that was admittedly before Two Worlds got abolished.
Two worlds is still canon, though. TailsTube is SOA shit propaganda.
Ok moron
You will never get your Freedom Furgays back. Get over it.
You don't play Sonic games.
Why would he play trash? This is a movie thread.
Hi, Richmunk.
TailsTube killed a bunch of shit was kinda impressive. Specially with how it seems that the now canon living condition for animal people in this world is on islands not connected to the human populated mainlands. Though I'm guessing that the game staff are probably just gonna be ignoring this.
Honestly surprised TailsTube is as amusing as it is. Tails' VA is doing a great job with it.
Animal people/Mobians in the games apparently live on the mainland too, given Amy has an apartment in Central City and Cresm and Vanilla also live around there. They just seem to be more densely populated on the islands.
TailsTube is both fun as well as being a raised middle finger to all of the bullshit that has fricked over the franchise for over a decade.
You realize that they will still flat out ignore it and yet again, change up the """canon""" for nothing, but only their greedy and business' purposes, right? SEGA would have no problem to discard Shadow right off, if someone else stepped in and somehow manage to be even more popular and profiting, for example.
I know. It fricking sucks man.
They can change up the canon and even ignore it, but trying to blatantly retcon TailsTube will basically be exposing their hatred for the franchise. That's blatant self-sabotage on a level I doubt even SEGA will want to partake in.
At most, they'll just ignore it like they've done everything else in terms of character and lore for a while now.
I'm glad I'm not a Tailsgay.
Uh, that's ok anon. Everyone has their own taste.
The schizo isn't a Tailsgay.
>Thoughts on the possibility of more Sonic comics being set in the Movie continuity?
My greatest nightmare
t. Iizuka
I hate that these IDW ride threads always fill out so fast.
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/release/rl1363641089/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2022/06/22/box-office-sonic-2-becomes-16th-hollywood-covid-era-400-million-grosser/?sh=115c596ae921
We're at 400M now. How do you feel about futures Sonic movies Cinemaphile
We are growing more powerful.
It's already exceeded Lightyear. What else is it set to break past?
I honestly don't mind because these Sonic movies are pretty good for what they are. Especially the second movie focusing more on the game-related lore a bit more.
In the future it feels like the human characters are just gonna completely vanish at some point, the wedding scene in the second movie was the worst part.
If the human characters vanish, they'd immediately lose the normie audience which would cripple the films. They're not going anywhere.
Well second movie basically just sidelined the humans onto an unrelated part of the story just to focus 80% of the screen on Sonic and friends.
Its already very Sonic focused.
>unrelated
I'm not sure how you see Tom saving Sonic and Tails from almost dying in an avalanche, the GUN plot, Sonic and Tails getting captured and his family having to stage a rescue and think "unrelated". You can admit to just not liking the wedding scene anon.
Any of you tried this ?
https://beta.openai.com/playground
What in the sweet blazes...
People keep drawing him wrong. He has 10 quills in the movie not 8.
That's always been a problem with people drawing Sonic. With Movie Sonic though, his remaining two quills aren't always visible so it's an easy mistake to make.