Lovely art
Supergirl's hot
But the writing is too wordy and the ending's too cynical for my liking as well as Kara swearing like a sailor every three pages
>But the writing is too wordy and the ending's too cynical for my liking as well as Kara swearing like a sailor every three pages
The ending is fine but Kara cursing really did turn me off. Overall, I think it's a great book but it would've absolutely had been a 10/10, best Supergirl book ever if King had just written Kara as just not cussing every other page.
> Overall, I think it's a great book but it would've absolutely had been a 10/10, best Supergirl book ever if King had just written Kara as just not cussing every other page.
>It was le True Grit xD
Give me another criticism. There is quite literally nothing new underneath the sun. Stories get repackaged all the time. It did what it set out to do well.
[...] >Anon if she was a very early adult then by definition her childhood already ended before krypton exploded.
Bruh, in very early adulthood, say, 18-20, you may as well still be a child.
>Even if she was a teenager she still would be a kryptonian teenager and wouldn't just adopt the mannerism of a human teenager in just a few years.
Kryptonians psychologically aren't that much different from humans and teens are plenty adaptable. I see nothing wrong with that.
>But that's burying the real lede of how this story isn't about Kara trying to appear mature, this is a story about Kara as a young woman and not a teenage girl.
You're not entirely wrong there but my point was that growing up in the conditions that she did, of course that shit was going to effect her. It would effect literally anyone.
But King goes too far with having her cuss every second page, has her getting drunk, and doing drugs.
>It did what it set out to do well. >But King goes too far with having her cuss every second page, has her getting drunk, and doing drugs.
You can't be serious. Supergirl cussing is a minor issue compared to the utter slog that is the rest of the comic.
I fricking despise King's work but I'll say it's good for the most part. Like the writing can get way to wordy at times which can make reading it feel like a chore. Solid 7/10 book.
>But the writing is too wordy and the ending's too cynical for my liking as well as Kara swearing like a sailor every three pages
The ending is fine but Kara cursing really did turn me off. Overall, I think it's a great book but it would've absolutely had been a 10/10, best Supergirl book ever if King had just written Kara as just not cussing every other page.
King's got a real problem with massively overusing swear words
It comes across like a teenager's attempt to be mature and adult. It's generally just grating and cringeworthy, and it's especially juvenile when he does it in a book where the swears are censored which just makes the dialogue feel like it came out of Rick and Morty with all its bleeps
Well her youth wasn't stolen from her because she grew up on Krypton.
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She was, what, in her teens or very early adulthood when Krypton exploded? Her childhood very well was taken from her.
I have some issues with the book but that part wasn't it. It did a pretty good job, if slightly edgy maybe, of showing why Kara might have a darker outlook on life. He effectively wasn't there when Krypton exploded. Kara was and saw the fallout afterward. No shit she's not going to be as fun and optimistic as Clark.
I could've done without the swearing and drinking but all things considered, the book does a good job of showing that Kara has seen some shit but still is ultimately a bright, guiding light in the universe.
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Anon if she was a very early adult then by definition her childhood already ended before krypton exploded. Even if she was a teenager she still would be a kryptonian teenager and wouldn't just adopt the mannerism of a human teenager in just a few years.
But that's burying the real lede of how this story isn't about Kara trying to appear mature, this is a story about Kara as a young woman and not a teenage girl.
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>the book does a good job of showing that Kara has seen some shit but still is ultimately a bright, guiding light in the universe.
No it doesn't because this book is just completely detached from the character itself. It's a testament to King's arrogance to think he just can repackage true grit as the essential supergirl story.
I could've excuse the grawlix if it was kryptonese but seeing how it's not and King does this in several different book unrelated to teenagers I am not gonna give it to him.
I agree. Makes some of his stuff near unreadable. The other thing is that half the time the swears don't match what they should be. So I read stuff like:
"Don't make me $#%@ do it"
and it should be "fricking" but it doesn't fit so I read it as:
"Don't make me shit do it" which is at least amusing for me
I disagree. She's a bit of a frump in this. A little butch too.
The colors, landscapes, and practically everything else artwise is solid.
King borrowed the structure but he did everything else considerably worse.
He stuffed it full of his usual shit, like war guilt, bad narrration and dialogue, and women besting men.
>But the writing is too wordy and the ending's too cynical for my liking as well as Kara swearing like a sailor every three pages
The ending is fine but Kara cursing really did turn me off. Overall, I think it's a great book but it would've absolutely had been a 10/10, best Supergirl book ever if King had just written Kara as just not cussing every other page.
I fricking despise King's work but I'll say it's good for the most part. Like the writing can get way to wordy at times which can make reading it feel like a chore. Solid 7/10 book.
I give this no more than a 4/10.
Removing the swearing wouldn't suddenly make it good.
>I disagree. She's a bit of a frump in this. A little butch too.
Oh my god, you people are so stupid
>I give this no more than a 4/10.
I mean, the swearing isn't great and is a legitimate criticism but everything else is fine. I'm fine with it being a darker take on Supergirl because it mostly didn't go full edgelord with Supergirl herself and the dark stuff is used to show how compassionate Kara is. But the cursing, jesus, it just does not fit Kara's character.
>I disagree. She's a bit of a frump in this. A little butch too.
Oh my god, you people are so stupid
>I give this no more than a 4/10.
I mean, the swearing isn't great and is a legitimate criticism but everything else is fine. I'm fine with it being a darker take on Supergirl because it mostly didn't go full edgelord with Supergirl herself and the dark stuff is used to show how compassionate Kara is. But the cursing, jesus, it just does not fit Kara's character.
>Oh my god, you people are so stupid
Are you a woman? >everything else is fine
Not really. It's a worse version of True Grit with consistently bad narration running throughout the comic.
Nah I agree with him, her face and head are busted.
>Are you a woman?
No, just someone who's sick of this site.
>Not really. It's a worse version of True Grit with consistently bad narration running throughout the comic.
The narration is fine and King manages to capture Ruthye's personality just fine.
>the narration is fine
I would argue the narration is just getting in the way. This story doesn't need a narrator because we can see what happening on the page. >King manages to capture Ruthye's personality just fine.
That's a weird way to frame it considering he's the one who created her.
>No, just someone who's sick of this site.
You can check out any time you like. >is fine
The narration is shit. It's a slog that takes you out of the story because there's no real voice in it. I don't read Ruthye, I read King trying to write Ruthye.
>I don't read Ruthye, I read King trying to write Ruthye.
Not that guy, but I genuinely don't know what you mean by this. I got really tired of the narration too but like, what you even mean by this. Had a pretty distinct voice to the character I thought, even if it was overdone.
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>Not that guy, but I genuinely don't know what you mean by this. I got really tired of the narration too but like, what you even mean by this. Had a pretty distinct voice to the character I thought, even if it was overdone.
What he means is that he's an illiterate moron who's incapable of any sort of genuine criticism because he's the kind of moron who just consumes TheCriticalDrinker and other conservative outrage Youtubers like him ad-nauseum.
Tom takes checklist writing to a whole new level where he's not even gonna down the checklist for plot beats or character moments, he's just wasting issues 1-10 to get to the big twist in issue 11 and just leaves issue 12 as an afterthought.
It's getting to the point where artist should start suing Tom King for wage theft because they're doing all the work.
Wayne is the only part superior to the remake version. The newer film is overall better
I didn't like the ending in the new movie though even if its closer to the book (which I never read)
Reminder that Tom King is a war criminal who projects his guilt onto every book he writes.
Ha! Like what, a particularly deep paper cut?
Do you guys ever think King used his glowie connections to get into the comics industry, start doing high profile books immediately, and get tons of undue critical praise for it?
That's a widespread conspiratorial theory that ignores the mundane truth that King's CIA past is a commercial gimmick used to sell his space ISIS and Nightwing superspy series.
I think Sheriff of Babylon was fine when it came out and Vision had few enough fans that no one had a problem when King completely reinvented his personality. But the man doesn't seem to respect the kayfabe of comic book characterization. So while the stories are alright (if a bit repetitive) in a vacuum, they massively frick over any personality the characters had prior to when King wrote them.
Tom King got successful because he knew how to market himself.
the house ads for Omega Men referenced ISIS beheading videos, the Visions got involved with the washignton redskin debate, heroes in crisis had a comic-con stunt, strange adventures even had a trailer.
Reminder that King was a glorified desk jockey who is intentionally vague about what he did for a living and when people started asking had to tag in his wife to defend him
I just finished it today. Great art, decent premise True Grit in Space. I don't know shit about Supergirl so I don't know how in or out of character she is, I imagine Supergirl fans probably had bigger problems with this. The constant censored swears and the overly elaborate prose gets annoying after a while but I thought it was really solid until the ending which is absolute dog shit. Really drags the whole thing down. You can tell that was written by a fricking CIA agent. Was having a pretty good time until then, It almost felt like a joke. Gotta read it for the gorgeous art though.
I have never watched True Grit so I am curious how similar Ruthye is to the little girl in that. The she also have this fancy super wordy, try hard speaking style?
Mattie Ross speaks very proper, fast, and to the point despite being a farm girl. It comes off as tryhard here with Ruthye because King can't write for shit.
>I don't read Ruthye, I read King trying to write Ruthye.
Not that guy, but I genuinely don't know what you mean by this. I got really tired of the narration too but like, what you even mean by this. Had a pretty distinct voice to the character I thought, even if it was overdone.
The fact that it was overdone destroys the characterization via the narration. Like I said, it takes you out of it, and you become aware all the time that some frickhead is writing it.
I get what you mean. King himself is also trying very hard though but I meant try hard in the sense that the character seemed to be trying hard to come off as a more proper and mature character than she was at the time. At least her young dialogue that's how I interpreted it but that doesn't make sense for the narration considering it's written from a genuinely mature old woman, you'd think the b***h would learn to talk less or in a different manor, a way of showing some growth from her youth but they still have basically the same voice.
You know one of the things he does that take me out the most is when he slips in these fricking taglines for no reason, like every time up and away appear or dropping Worlds will live and Worlds will die from Crisis in randomly in the last issue or so. Just a pointless reference that annoyed me a lot. A small complaint but it really annoyed me.
I feel like King writes the same character in every book and it's a depressed upper middle class looser with anxiety and panic attacks. It doesn't matter if he is either writing Vision, Batman or whatever. He can make the most funny, wholesome character and turn him into an insufferable suicidal homosexual. It was pretty interesting the first couple of times but now I feel like he just regurgitates the same plots and characters in every fricking book.
That seems reductive.
His Dick Grayson was more about perseverance and optimism in dark times. Like laughing in the dark.
Vision by definition has no emotions and the entire book was narrated third person so I have no idea what you mean with that.
I'll give you Batman, Omega Men, and Mister Miracle.
Supergirl, Strange Adventures, Bat/Cat, Grayson, and Vision are nothing like that.
A better characterization is to say that he's giving all of these characters an internal struggle. Dick and his daddy issues. Helena and her daddy issues. Batman and his daddy and girlfriend issues. Mister Miracle and his OMG i'm going to be a daddy issues.
Strange Adventures's problem with characterization has lot more to do with Alanna then Adam. Zero thought was put behind the fact that Alanna is someone from a different planet and just acted like a generic human social climber , something that with bearing the twist in strange adventures make her behavior even more more nonsensical.
It's the same shit as all of King's books, but this one at least has good art. And I'll give him that, at least he managed to rein the homosexualry in for a couple of issues. It's still awful though.
>>The Mary Sue
No thanks. The cover's cool though.
I'll stick to this one [...]
It's Joelle Jones drawing teens, you're missing out.
Funfact though, the trade paperblack is entirely colored blue. Just a blue filter over everything, wasn't like that with the monthly release but for some reason the trade paperback decided a different route.
I've always wanted to read that one. I should do that
Why are you so angry?
Because I'm sick and tired of hypocritical morons here getting offended over 'woke' shit, trying to pass it off as legitimate criticism, and then not even having the self-awareness of knowing that that's what they're doing.
>getting offended over 'woke' shit, trying to pass it off as legitimate criticism, and then not even having the self-awareness of knowing that that's what they're doing.
Schizo.
What did he say about it, because one thing I didn't understand is why Ruthye told a lie in her book, like she says Supergirl killed Krem but I'm pretty sure that didn't happen and I don't understand the point of making up something here.
Yeah, he said that she didn't actually kill him. Though it'd be impossible for that to be the takeaway seeing how it was framed.
the premise is fine. Derivative but a decent set up if you change a few things and make it your own. Fix the shitty ending and some of the characterization and it would be a solid story. Involving King himself however tells me there is no hope.
We haven't even gotten a proper origin for Supergirl yet, and now we're getting into this space opera schlock?
I know she didn't kill him but why does Ruthye omit that aspect of her story and change it to so she did kill Krem in her story. I don't understand why she did that. And we do get a version of her origin in this story so I guess they could use that if you really need it.
the premise is fine. Derivative but a decent set up if you change a few things and make it your own. Fix the shitty ending and some of the characterization and it would be a solid story. Involving King himself however tells me there is no hope.
Yeah, he said that she didn't actually kill him. Though it'd be impossible for that to be the takeaway seeing how it was framed.
[...]
We haven't even gotten a proper origin for Supergirl yet, and now we're getting into this space opera schlock?
It makes some sense, Kara is more kryptonian than clark and would be more of representative of Krypton then he is on a galactic scale. Marc Andreyko was doing something like that but with the added bonus of hunky boys.
Supergirl: Woman of tomorrow is just a big disservice to the character with a multifaceted history. It's not just that there's no love, it's the lack of curiosity.
I started reading it with all the current hype around it and it's horrible so far. It's a slog to read with issue 3 (the one I most recently finished) being completely filler.
Can people tell me what's supposed to be so bad about the ending? The bad guy spends centuries in the Phantom Zone and eventually redeems himself to the point where he's legitimately sorry for all the atrocities he's done, wants to make amends, and live the rest of his life doing good. Ruthye hits him once last time and walks away without personally forgiving him but allowing him to live the rest of his life free. It's literally the perfect, most idealistic ending that could've happened. It shows that the people he's wronged don't have to welcome him with arms wide open but he's free to do whatever good he wants to do with anyone else. It's entirely in-line with Supergirl's character.
I thought it was fine. It was basically a given that Supergirl was going to beat the space pirates. The true tension was whether or not Ruthye was going to kill the bad guy and whether Supergirl would let her or whether that would ruin their friendship or not.
I can honestly say that there was no tension in this story. I genuinely wonder how anyone can find themselves about Ruthye when you realize she's a pale imitation of Mattie Ross from True Grit.
Like what the frick am I suppose to do with Supergirl in true grit?
>It was le True Grit xD
Give me another criticism. There is quite literally nothing new underneath the sun. Stories get repackaged all the time. It did what it set out to do well.
Anon if she was a very early adult then by definition her childhood already ended before krypton exploded. Even if she was a teenager she still would be a kryptonian teenager and wouldn't just adopt the mannerism of a human teenager in just a few years.
But that's burying the real lede of how this story isn't about Kara trying to appear mature, this is a story about Kara as a young woman and not a teenage girl.
>Anon if she was a very early adult then by definition her childhood already ended before krypton exploded.
Bruh, in very early adulthood, say, 18-20, you may as well still be a child.
>Even if she was a teenager she still would be a kryptonian teenager and wouldn't just adopt the mannerism of a human teenager in just a few years.
Kryptonians psychologically aren't that much different from humans and teens are plenty adaptable. I see nothing wrong with that.
>But that's burying the real lede of how this story isn't about Kara trying to appear mature, this is a story about Kara as a young woman and not a teenage girl.
You're not entirely wrong there but my point was that growing up in the conditions that she did, of course that shit was going to effect her. It would effect literally anyone.
But King goes too far with having her cuss every second page, has her getting drunk, and doing drugs.
>It did what it set out to do well.
It didn't though because it's a poorly done retelling of true grit to boot.
Get it? Boot? like a cowboy boot? Because this is just lazy writing.
> my point was that growing up in the conditions that she did, of course that shit was going to effect her. It would effect literally anyone.
But we're criticizing the use of grawlix which is not the criticizing of Supergirl swearing but censoring the swears by going !@@#$%.
>Stories get repackaged all the time
If it's copied beat for beat, and characters are OOC for the sake of ripping off the original story, it's not a homage, it's plagiarism.
It feels significantly more cruel to do that instead of just kill him. He spent his time being tortured and regretful, got out as an old man with probably little to no time to do anything positive with that new attitude except spend more time wallowing in misery and still got rejected so it's not like Ruthye ever got over it or forgave him. It makes that big speech about hope and shit fall completely flat. Killing him would've been more just and merciful at that point.
I doubt it, he's stuck in Bendis-mode now. He made a run or two that was popular with normalgays and now he can just coast along those runs forever, while his writing gets worse as he never works on his bad habits.
Sucks.
Lovely art
Supergirl's hot
But the writing is too wordy and the ending's too cynical for my liking as well as Kara swearing like a sailor every three pages
>But the writing is too wordy and the ending's too cynical for my liking as well as Kara swearing like a sailor every three pages
The ending is fine but Kara cursing really did turn me off. Overall, I think it's a great book but it would've absolutely had been a 10/10, best Supergirl book ever if King had just written Kara as just not cussing every other page.
> Overall, I think it's a great book but it would've absolutely had been a 10/10, best Supergirl book ever if King had just written Kara as just not cussing every other page.
>It did what it set out to do well.
>But King goes too far with having her cuss every second page, has her getting drunk, and doing drugs.
You can't be serious. Supergirl cussing is a minor issue compared to the utter slog that is the rest of the comic.
I fricking despise King's work but I'll say it's good for the most part. Like the writing can get way to wordy at times which can make reading it feel like a chore. Solid 7/10 book.
King's got a real problem with massively overusing swear words
It comes across like a teenager's attempt to be mature and adult. It's generally just grating and cringeworthy, and it's especially juvenile when he does it in a book where the swears are censored which just makes the dialogue feel like it came out of Rick and Morty with all its bleeps
>It comes across like a teenager's attempt to be mature and adult.
That's kind of appropriate for Kara, though.
No it isn't
A teenager whose youth got stolen from her trying to grow up without her guiding culture, but the culture her cousin adopted? Yeah it is.
Well her youth wasn't stolen from her because she grew up on Krypton.
She was, what, in her teens or very early adulthood when Krypton exploded? Her childhood very well was taken from her.
I have some issues with the book but that part wasn't it. It did a pretty good job, if slightly edgy maybe, of showing why Kara might have a darker outlook on life. He effectively wasn't there when Krypton exploded. Kara was and saw the fallout afterward. No shit she's not going to be as fun and optimistic as Clark.
I could've done without the swearing and drinking but all things considered, the book does a good job of showing that Kara has seen some shit but still is ultimately a bright, guiding light in the universe.
Anon if she was a very early adult then by definition her childhood already ended before krypton exploded. Even if she was a teenager she still would be a kryptonian teenager and wouldn't just adopt the mannerism of a human teenager in just a few years.
But that's burying the real lede of how this story isn't about Kara trying to appear mature, this is a story about Kara as a young woman and not a teenage girl.
>the book does a good job of showing that Kara has seen some shit but still is ultimately a bright, guiding light in the universe.
No it doesn't because this book is just completely detached from the character itself. It's a testament to King's arrogance to think he just can repackage true grit as the essential supergirl story.
I could've excuse the grawlix if it was kryptonese but seeing how it's not and King does this in several different book unrelated to teenagers I am not gonna give it to him.
I agree. Makes some of his stuff near unreadable. The other thing is that half the time the swears don't match what they should be. So I read stuff like:
"Don't make me $#%@ do it"
and it should be "fricking" but it doesn't fit so I read it as:
"Don't make me shit do it" which is at least amusing for me
The censoring makes it so much worse. I don't know why DC continues to do that or why King does it knowing how stupid the final product will be.
I disagree. She's a bit of a frump in this. A little butch too.
The colors, landscapes, and practically everything else artwise is solid.
King borrowed the structure but he did everything else considerably worse.
He stuffed it full of his usual shit, like war guilt, bad narrration and dialogue, and women besting men.
I give this no more than a 4/10.
Removing the swearing wouldn't suddenly make it good.
>I disagree. She's a bit of a frump in this. A little butch too.
Oh my god, you people are so stupid
>I give this no more than a 4/10.
I mean, the swearing isn't great and is a legitimate criticism but everything else is fine. I'm fine with it being a darker take on Supergirl because it mostly didn't go full edgelord with Supergirl herself and the dark stuff is used to show how compassionate Kara is. But the cursing, jesus, it just does not fit Kara's character.
Nah I agree with him, her face and head are busted.
That's just Bilquis' art in certain panels. It's fine. She's pretty in most of the book.
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>Oh my god, you people are so stupid
Are you a woman?
>everything else is fine
Not really. It's a worse version of True Grit with consistently bad narration running throughout the comic.
Her bust and body are also somewhat unfeminine.
>Are you a woman?
No, just someone who's sick of this site.
>Not really. It's a worse version of True Grit with consistently bad narration running throughout the comic.
The narration is fine and King manages to capture Ruthye's personality just fine.
>the narration is fine
I would argue the narration is just getting in the way. This story doesn't need a narrator because we can see what happening on the page.
>King manages to capture Ruthye's personality just fine.
That's a weird way to frame it considering he's the one who created her.
>No, just someone who's sick of this site.
You can check out any time you like.
>is fine
The narration is shit. It's a slog that takes you out of the story because there's no real voice in it. I don't read Ruthye, I read King trying to write Ruthye.
>I don't read Ruthye, I read King trying to write Ruthye.
Not that guy, but I genuinely don't know what you mean by this. I got really tired of the narration too but like, what you even mean by this. Had a pretty distinct voice to the character I thought, even if it was overdone.
>Not that guy, but I genuinely don't know what you mean by this. I got really tired of the narration too but like, what you even mean by this. Had a pretty distinct voice to the character I thought, even if it was overdone.
What he means is that he's an illiterate moron who's incapable of any sort of genuine criticism because he's the kind of moron who just consumes TheCriticalDrinker and other conservative outrage Youtubers like him ad-nauseum.
Why are you so angry?
Tom takes checklist writing to a whole new level where he's not even gonna down the checklist for plot beats or character moments, he's just wasting issues 1-10 to get to the big twist in issue 11 and just leaves issue 12 as an afterthought.
It's getting to the point where artist should start suing Tom King for wage theft because they're doing all the work.
Who was the better Supergirl: The Duke or he Dude?
The Duke had more presence, The Dude is the better actor.
I give this one to Wayne, the better Supergirl.
Wayne is the only part superior to the remake version. The newer film is overall better
I didn't like the ending in the new movie though even if its closer to the book (which I never read)
Well that explains why Ruthye was probably the most likeable character King has ever written.
I keep hearing it's amazing on Twitter, but it's Tom King, so I generally avoid his stuff at this point.
What's his fricking problem? See too much fricked up shit in the CIA?
Ha! Like what, a particularly deep paper cut?
Do you guys ever think King used his glowie connections to get into the comics industry, start doing high profile books immediately, and get tons of undue critical praise for it?
There's people who have been in the CIA for decades and can't even get on the New York times best seller so no.
That's a widespread conspiratorial theory that ignores the mundane truth that King's CIA past is a commercial gimmick used to sell his space ISIS and Nightwing superspy series.
I think Sheriff of Babylon was fine when it came out and Vision had few enough fans that no one had a problem when King completely reinvented his personality. But the man doesn't seem to respect the kayfabe of comic book characterization. So while the stories are alright (if a bit repetitive) in a vacuum, they massively frick over any personality the characters had prior to when King wrote them.
Tom King got successful because he knew how to market himself.
the house ads for Omega Men referenced ISIS beheading videos, the Visions got involved with the washignton redskin debate, heroes in crisis had a comic-con stunt, strange adventures even had a trailer.
This. He knows how to attract readers and win awards without writing a single good comic.
I refuse to read Tom King's work whenever he writes a character that I'm already fond of
Reminder that Tom King is a war criminal who projects his guilt onto every book he writes.
>Tom King is a war criminal
That's exactly what Tom King would say to sound interesting.
Reminder that King was a glorified desk jockey who is intentionally vague about what he did for a living and when people started asking had to tag in his wife to defend him
it's a meme book that was taylor-made for reddit
She should have fricked Comet the super horse
Art is really nice, but the story is a blunt copy of True Grit.
King being a neurotic israelite & having a Tony Soprano panic attack 24/7.
>Sheriff of Babylon was fine when it came out and Vision had few enough fans
goddam this site really is out of touch
I just finished it today. Great art, decent premise True Grit in Space. I don't know shit about Supergirl so I don't know how in or out of character she is, I imagine Supergirl fans probably had bigger problems with this. The constant censored swears and the overly elaborate prose gets annoying after a while but I thought it was really solid until the ending which is absolute dog shit. Really drags the whole thing down. You can tell that was written by a fricking CIA agent. Was having a pretty good time until then, It almost felt like a joke. Gotta read it for the gorgeous art though.
I have never watched True Grit so I am curious how similar Ruthye is to the little girl in that. The she also have this fancy super wordy, try hard speaking style?
Mattie Ross speaks very proper, fast, and to the point despite being a farm girl. It comes off as tryhard here with Ruthye because King can't write for shit.
The fact that it was overdone destroys the characterization via the narration. Like I said, it takes you out of it, and you become aware all the time that some frickhead is writing it.
I get what you mean. King himself is also trying very hard though but I meant try hard in the sense that the character seemed to be trying hard to come off as a more proper and mature character than she was at the time. At least her young dialogue that's how I interpreted it but that doesn't make sense for the narration considering it's written from a genuinely mature old woman, you'd think the b***h would learn to talk less or in a different manor, a way of showing some growth from her youth but they still have basically the same voice.
You know one of the things he does that take me out the most is when he slips in these fricking taglines for no reason, like every time up and away appear or dropping Worlds will live and Worlds will die from Crisis in randomly in the last issue or so. Just a pointless reference that annoyed me a lot. A small complaint but it really annoyed me.
Should have been a two parter in a regular Supergirl series
It's Tom King; you couldn't pay me to read it.
I feel like King writes the same character in every book and it's a depressed upper middle class looser with anxiety and panic attacks. It doesn't matter if he is either writing Vision, Batman or whatever. He can make the most funny, wholesome character and turn him into an insufferable suicidal homosexual. It was pretty interesting the first couple of times but now I feel like he just regurgitates the same plots and characters in every fricking book.
It was pretty interesting in the 80s and 90s when a bunch of better writers at DC/Vertigo did it but it's really fricking played out by now.
That seems reductive.
His Dick Grayson was more about perseverance and optimism in dark times. Like laughing in the dark.
Vision by definition has no emotions and the entire book was narrated third person so I have no idea what you mean with that.
I'll give you Batman, Omega Men, and Mister Miracle.
Supergirl, Strange Adventures, Bat/Cat, Grayson, and Vision are nothing like that.
A better characterization is to say that he's giving all of these characters an internal struggle. Dick and his daddy issues. Helena and her daddy issues. Batman and his daddy and girlfriend issues. Mister Miracle and his OMG i'm going to be a daddy issues.
>Mister Miracle and his OMG i'm going to be a daddy issues.
Man that is both fitting and horribly executed.
Strange Adventures's problem with characterization has lot more to do with Alanna then Adam. Zero thought was put behind the fact that Alanna is someone from a different planet and just acted like a generic human social climber , something that with bearing the twist in strange adventures make her behavior even more more nonsensical.
It's the same shit as all of King's books, but this one at least has good art. And I'll give him that, at least he managed to rein the homosexualry in for a couple of issues. It's still awful though.
>Thoughts on this book?
The Supergirl we need, but not the one we deserve.
>thoughts on this book?
Unironically good by the way.
>>The Mary Sue
No thanks. The cover's cool though.
I'll stick to this one
It's Joelle Jones drawing teens, you're missing out.
Missing out on a tracer tracing teens? Oh no!
Funfact though, the trade paperblack is entirely colored blue. Just a blue filter over everything, wasn't like that with the monthly release but for some reason the trade paperback decided a different route.
I've always wanted to read that one. I should do that
Because I'm sick and tired of hypocritical morons here getting offended over 'woke' shit, trying to pass it off as legitimate criticism, and then not even having the self-awareness of knowing that that's what they're doing.
>getting offended over 'woke' shit, trying to pass it off as legitimate criticism, and then not even having the self-awareness of knowing that that's what they're doing.
Schizo.
The fact that King had to clarify what the frick happened at the ending speaks volumes of how hard this book fails on a fundamental level.
What did he say about it, because one thing I didn't understand is why Ruthye told a lie in her book, like she says Supergirl killed Krem but I'm pretty sure that didn't happen and I don't understand the point of making up something here.
Yeah, he said that she didn't actually kill him. Though it'd be impossible for that to be the takeaway seeing how it was framed.
We haven't even gotten a proper origin for Supergirl yet, and now we're getting into this space opera schlock?
I know she didn't kill him but why does Ruthye omit that aspect of her story and change it to so she did kill Krem in her story. I don't understand why she did that. And we do get a version of her origin in this story so I guess they could use that if you really need it.
Makes you wonder why Gunn wants to turn it into a movie. It'd be very likely that King would still be the writer.
the premise is fine. Derivative but a decent set up if you change a few things and make it your own. Fix the shitty ending and some of the characterization and it would be a solid story. Involving King himself however tells me there is no hope.
There was a story in the nuclear winter special that did the premise of Supergirl being a little girl's guardian without any of the fluff.
It makes some sense, Kara is more kryptonian than clark and would be more of representative of Krypton then he is on a galactic scale. Marc Andreyko was doing something like that but with the added bonus of hunky boys.
Supergirl: Woman of tomorrow is just a big disservice to the character with a multifaceted history. It's not just that there's no love, it's the lack of curiosity.
Like King was equating this to All-Star Superman.
Fin~
It's shit.
I started reading it with all the current hype around it and it's horrible so far. It's a slog to read with issue 3 (the one I most recently finished) being completely filler.
Is there really hype around king's supergirl?
Yes. James Gunn recommended it and now it's supposedly selling out everywhere. The movie take on Supergirl will be influenced by King's take.
That's hilarious because King doesn't even have a take on Supergirl because all he did was true grit.
I like a lot of it but really fricking despise the ending
Can people tell me what's supposed to be so bad about the ending? The bad guy spends centuries in the Phantom Zone and eventually redeems himself to the point where he's legitimately sorry for all the atrocities he's done, wants to make amends, and live the rest of his life doing good. Ruthye hits him once last time and walks away without personally forgiving him but allowing him to live the rest of his life free. It's literally the perfect, most idealistic ending that could've happened. It shows that the people he's wronged don't have to welcome him with arms wide open but he's free to do whatever good he wants to do with anyone else. It's entirely in-line with Supergirl's character.
It's contrived as frick and lacks an true emotional resonance.
I thought it was fine. It was basically a given that Supergirl was going to beat the space pirates. The true tension was whether or not Ruthye was going to kill the bad guy and whether Supergirl would let her or whether that would ruin their friendship or not.
I can honestly say that there was no tension in this story. I genuinely wonder how anyone can find themselves about Ruthye when you realize she's a pale imitation of Mattie Ross from True Grit.
Like what the frick am I suppose to do with Supergirl in true grit?
>It was le True Grit xD
Give me another criticism. There is quite literally nothing new underneath the sun. Stories get repackaged all the time. It did what it set out to do well.
>Anon if she was a very early adult then by definition her childhood already ended before krypton exploded.
Bruh, in very early adulthood, say, 18-20, you may as well still be a child.
>Even if she was a teenager she still would be a kryptonian teenager and wouldn't just adopt the mannerism of a human teenager in just a few years.
Kryptonians psychologically aren't that much different from humans and teens are plenty adaptable. I see nothing wrong with that.
>But that's burying the real lede of how this story isn't about Kara trying to appear mature, this is a story about Kara as a young woman and not a teenage girl.
You're not entirely wrong there but my point was that growing up in the conditions that she did, of course that shit was going to effect her. It would effect literally anyone.
But King goes too far with having her cuss every second page, has her getting drunk, and doing drugs.
>has her getting drunk, and doing drugs
Why is that bad
When the frick has Kara EVER done either of those things?
>It did what it set out to do well.
It didn't though because it's a poorly done retelling of true grit to boot.
Get it? Boot? like a cowboy boot? Because this is just lazy writing.
> my point was that growing up in the conditions that she did, of course that shit was going to effect her. It would effect literally anyone.
But we're criticizing the use of grawlix which is not the criticizing of Supergirl swearing but censoring the swears by going !@@#$%.
>I see nothing wrong with that.
How about this, wouldn't her kryptonian influence be more prominent then mannerism she would've picked up on earth?
>It did what it set out to do well.
What would that be. Allow Tom King to make a quick buck plagiarizing True Grit?
>Stories get repackaged all the time
If it's copied beat for beat, and characters are OOC for the sake of ripping off the original story, it's not a homage, it's plagiarism.
Nice way to put it.
It feels significantly more cruel to do that instead of just kill him. He spent his time being tortured and regretful, got out as an old man with probably little to no time to do anything positive with that new attitude except spend more time wallowing in misery and still got rejected so it's not like Ruthye ever got over it or forgave him. It makes that big speech about hope and shit fall completely flat. Killing him would've been more just and merciful at that point.
Maybe someday Tom King will learn how to write a story thats not about how he feels bad for drone striking kids in Afghanistan
Tom King was just a desk jockey doing paper work.
I doubt it, he's stuck in Bendis-mode now. He made a run or two that was popular with normalgays and now he can just coast along those runs forever, while his writing gets worse as he never works on his bad habits.
Kinggays will defend him
Christ, that dialogue would make Joss Whedon blush.
CIA moron makes true grit in space
1/100
art was great