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Love the book. I do not have high hopes about any capeshit movie.
I thought the art was great. I don't think King really understands Kryptonians based on Up In the Sky, his short one shot in the 1000 Deluxe Edition, and this. On the one hand, he's got an essentially immortal Clark in a story where Clark, even though he knew the planet would be consumed by the sun, has a memorial he was visiting one-last-time, and then he put Clark through what he did in Up In The Sky, and likewise Kara.
There's just a lot of plot contrivances to make his stories work, which if that is what you have to do with a writer, then you either need to work harder to make your plot devices fall more seamlessly into the background so that they aren't front and center to your readers or need to be more clever and work harder on your stories.
In that sense,
- while I frankly do NOT think they will adapt this (it's a Kara that has previously existed and exists, not an introduction to Kara) and it also is very much a stand-alone, which I would like to see them do versus all this unnecessary world-building to a team-up - world-building isn't bad, it's the movie that just serves as an extended teaser that is, by it's very nature, bad because it's an incomplete story. Which is not what a movie should be.
Supergirl should world-build to expand either knowledge of Kryptonians, of space DCU, or Kara, or the DCU Earth or any number of other things that this, by and large, really doesn't do in introducing Kara and the DCU.
Now, production design ideas, art direction, etc. all of that can certainly be taken from this. With a good script that doesn't bother adapting King's BS.
>I don't think King really understands Kryptonians
Yeah I don't give a shit about the rules of fictional alien powers.
Yeah who gives a shit about consistency and canon right?
Consistency within a single story is important. Canon is pedantic nerd shit.
I guess you're right.
I still have issues with Supergirl's characterization in this book though.
Fair enough. I don't have much of a frame of reference for Kara honestly and the only stories I've seen have been various retellings of her being fresh on Earth and being sad/pissed off so I appreciated seeing her a few years out from that.
You gotta read to the end my dude.
Man even if this is the only Supergirl you've ever read, I find it hard to think abyone would find this characterization as believable.
In her New 52 run she was so mad she was puking blood.
And your point being?
That Kara being a bit grumpy is pretty mild in comparison. It's hardly unbelievable
But it is though, anyone reading will immediately ping the grizzled attitude as fake.
...that's kind of the point.
Anon I know you're angling for a media illiteracy takedown but I'm smarter then you so it's not gonna happen.
What's gonna happen instead is I'm gonna let everyone know that you're saying the supergirl comic that got Supergirl wrong shouldn't be criticized for getting Supergirl wrong.
And isn't that crazy?
>flipping the table and declaring yourself smarter
I don't know why I ever expected anything else.
The one thing that capeshit has going for it is the broad range of portrayals of it's characters. One writer can look at a character from one angle while other writers can look at a different angle and if we're lucky and more importantly it comes packaged in with a good story. I can't imagine you people b***hing this much about Batman in the Dark Knight.
Supergirl in this series is a perfectly good variation of her character and actually uses that characterization to give her a good arc and no one her has even presented a counter point because none of you actually have anything interesting to say.
>a good arc
No. The comic is bad and boring.
Calling this supergirl valid is such entitled behavior, she's so generic and lacks anything that would define her as person with an inner world.
>Calling this supergirl valid is such entitled behavior
Literally just saying words now.
I know it's inspired by True Grit dumbass but if you're guess what? A shitload of stories start with the same basic premises. It's like watching Star Wars and going "hey this is just the hero's journey!"
I'm sorry but entitled is the only word to describe it, writing Supergirl is more then just crossing out some items on a checklist.
You just don't know what words mean.
What part am I not getting? Supergirl in Tom King's Supergirl is mediocre and generic no natter how much you insist she shares superficial similarities with other Supergirls.
No it’s literally the same plot and characterizations as true grit, all King was just change a few locations and character names and sexes but it’s the exact same thing
>Literally just saying words now.
I find it funny that that’s your argument trying to defend King when that’s literally how he writes
>The one thing that capeshit has going for it is the broad range of portrayals of it's characters. One writer can look at a character from one angle while other writers can look at a different angle and if we're lucky and more importantly it comes packaged in with a good story. I can't imagine you people b***hing this much about Batman in the Dark Knight.
But at what point does a character become a completely different character once you change enough about their personality, traits, behaviors, etc.?
It's a skill issue like what part of the story is that audience supposed to get on board with here?
>media literacy anon is illiterate
many such cases
>the only stories I've seen have been various retellings of her being fresh on Earth and being sad/pissed off
honestly I never really see that, like she'll be sad for a bit and then immediately just act like a regular teenage girl and be a superhero
>and then immediately just act like a regular teenage girl
I never got what was supposed to be so bad about this and it's not like Supergirl has never felt angst about being from a dead planet and knowing that everyone she's ever known from back then, aside from Superman, is dead.
Like the WHOLE appeal of the character imo is that she's literally just the typical teenaged girl who had her whole life taken away from her and forced into the role of a planetary guardian. You can have her be all sad or even agitated without going, well, full True Grit with it.
This is how I feel about it. I don't even hate it, I just don't really get why people act like it's the greatest Supergirl book ever or why they act like the Supergirl in it is some kind of iconic portrayal when it's somewhat far from the way that Supergirl is actually portrayed, even when she is grumpy or angry.
I know and that’s why I like her too, but I’ve honesty never seen a story of her origins where she really reflects about losing her people, or at least in an interesting way. Most of the time there’s never even a language barrier between her and supes, she just learns English so fast
>but I’ve honesty never seen a story of her origins where she really reflects about losing her people, or at least in an interesting way
Then you've honestly never seen a supergirl comic, which in itself is ok, but what's not ok is using that ignorance as evidence.
>Most of the time there’s never even a language barrier between her and supes, she just learns English so fast
I don't know why you would mention that when Jeph Loeb did exactly that.
I haven’t read them all, and I’m not denying some do go over it, but don’t act like it’s the majority or that it isn’t an after thought and just gets into silly cape stuff
>jeph loeb did just that
For like a few issues, and even then it’s not a conflict since Superman can speak it. Honesty in the series Kara felt more like a plot device than an actual character
Remember the whole, "Super Lindsay Lohan," era? God that shit was stupid.
>For like a few issues,
Could you really argue King did it for more then a few issues himself?
>it’s not a conflict since Superman can speak it.
Doesn't have to be a conflict, it can just be something that informs the character.
When did I imply Tom king did it well?
>doesn’t have to be a conflict
I guess, I just didn’t really care for it
>When did I imply Tom king did it well?
Then why mention the fact that most supergirls don't have trouble speaking english?
Because it just ignores a part of her development? Not saying just doing it is automatically good but it’s appreciated and can lead to intresting scenarios
>Most of the time there’s never even a language barrier between her and supes, she just learns English so fast
That's true. But then that's also just comic books being kinda stupid. But they also did do that when they first introduced the post-Crisis Kara even though a lot of versions do skip past that part.
Also one thing that I liked about the nu52 version is that she actually landed in Russia, which was a cool idea that has a lot of potential still.
But yeah, you can argue that there's honestly still a whole mess of potential with the Supergirl character. And to Tom King's credit, he was one of the few that really showed how traumatic what Kara went through would really be. The problem is that he goes TOO far in having Kara be kinda messed up. It's honestly odd that Supergirl gets plastered on her birthday or that it's implied that she's done drugs at least once.
It's like, you came so close, then you almost went full edgy with it.
>And to Tom King's credit, he was one of the few that really showed how traumatic what Kara went through would really be.
Except he isn't, its been done before, also in typical King fashion he ups the edge to comical levels by combining both her origins so not only did she see Krypton (with a helping of dead babies somehow) blow up but also everyone on Argo city get super cancer and die. Heaping trauma on a character is not good writing especially if the story is told from the eyes of a similarly bland oc.
>Except he isn't, its been done before, also in typical King fashion he ups the edge to comical levels by combining both her origins so not only did she see Krypton (with a helping of dead babies somehow) blow up but also everyone on Argo city get super cancer and die. Heaping trauma on a character is not good writing especially if the story is told from the eyes of a similarly bland oc.
I don't disagree with anything you said here.
And yeah, that's another thing. Despite what I said, King also goes TOO far in showing how fricked up life on Argo City was. I mean, some versions don't even have that. Then even if they do, they don't show everyone slowly dying a painful death until she's the only one still alive. People praise the book and her edginess but it's like King had to artificially pump up how shitty it was for her to even get her to that point. THAT'S why it feels like such a massive departure.
Supergirl's background is still tragic but I never felt like it was that particularly graphic.
I have read his Batman, his Heroes In Crisis, his Vision and his Strange Adventures.
His characters have the personality of depressed robots welcoming death.
Tom King lacks imagination, subtlety, writing skills, or a sense of self reflection.
I would rather eat my own dick cheese on a cracker than try and earnestly read one more of his pathetic stories.
You're never too cool to ignore the rules.
It's ok to use pedantic nerd shit against tom king because his works is full of easter eggs to past canon events.
I'm not talking about world building. Take a look at Superman Unchained, also something written by someone as a limited book who has never touched the character again and likely never will.
Kryptonian was just a way to short-hand it, I'm not speaking specifically about something like 'powered by yellow sun.' More about how the characters are viewed, as compared to how they are other viewed. It was essentially a much MUCH briefer way of positing the same complaints that many people made about King's writing in HiC about many of the characters he used in HiC.
See above.
I personally did prefer the sci-fi elements pre-crisis but that's not precisely where I was going with that. I just don't think, with some minor exceptions where he did follow some canon rules, that he was really writing Supergirl or any one Super family member.
Johnson's been praised a lot (whereas Bendis was not) and he's been writing a wide swath of Kryptonians. Almost everyone else whose been praised of late (the past 5 or so years) has really been only writing one character, not them as a race or a collection of superheroes.
I think they would benefit if normies started thinking of them as a family team, even when they are not a family, in the same way that normies view Babs as related to Bruce (and to Dick/Jason/Tim/Damian) even though she's not really one of Bruce's orphans or child soliders or replacement organ donors, etc.
I'm not saying they should write Wayne Family Adventures but with the Kents - but if Gunn wants to succeed with a connected universe, even if it's not connecting to lead up to a team movie (and I don't think it should, not for a while), it's going to be built on relationships.
King doesn't really care about relationships. Not even when he was writing in Gotham.
>I don't think King really understands Kryptonians based on Up In the Sky, his short one shot in the 1000 Deluxe Edition, and this.
Can you explain how he doesn’t understand them? Would you say how they operate, or something? I’m fine with having immortal and ‘limitless’ Kryptonians who can do anything since that’s basically how I would imagine the original Kryptonians being in pre-crisis, and I much prefer that over Byrne, or were you talking about something else?
The art in this book is fantastic, the story is pretty good for Tom King. And as a Supergirl fan, I absolutely do not want it brought to the big screen as a movie.
The New 52, rough as it is, was a much better concept for Kara. Kara was a normal Kryptonian girl. Or rather, she was pretty normal, but enjoyed a fairly elite position in her society. She loved her world, she loved her family. In just one day, the world that she loved was torn apart. Hours after being ripped away from everything she knew, she meets her precious baby cousin who is now an adult, and he tells her she needs to control her powers and her emotions so that she can conform to a new life.
Kara is a sweet teenage girl coping with unimaginable grief and rage. She is not a female Superman. She remembers Krypton, and she loves and misses her old world. It's not a bad thing for her to be a sweet and warm and naturally joyful person even if she's struggling. She doesn't need to be a hardened cold sharp-tongued girlboss.
King/Gunn Kara grew up in a post-apocalyptic Kryptonian colony. What is the point of her being Kryptonian in contrast to Clark...?
Clark already exists as someone who loves Earth and humanity, and only knows of Krypton as a dead society that failed. He is an "immigrant", but for all intents and purposes he may as well have been born on Earth.
Kara should be the angry refugee who knows Krypton as a world of living breathing people. It's not a dead or dying civilization to her.
Maybe it's an easier pill to swallow to suppose that refugees come from shithole countries that brought ruin on themselves. But no—sometimes refugees love their culture and their land, and they aren't better off for being forced to leave it behind. That's how Kara should be.
Making this story into a live-action movie would just make it that much more obvious that's it's recycled from True Grit. Also frick Tom King.
Didn't Gunn say that Supergirl was going to be a darker and more cynical foil to the optmistic Superman in the DCU in his announcement video?
It's gonna be Rocket Raccoon again.
>Supergirl being a pathetic mess
Mite be cute.
So long as she's not doing drugs, drinking, or cursing every five seconds, I'm fine with that.
Yeah, Gunn did say that. I said that Supergirl shouldn't be a female Superman because other books and adaptations do try to turn her into female Superman by giving her a double-life as a journalist and giving her riffs on classic Superman storylines. And that traps Kara into being a mere knockoff.
Gunn and King seem to want to go too far in the opposite direction. Characters, especially female characters, don't need to become cynical and snarky to show how tough and badass they are in the face of their trauma.
Kara should grieving and angry over the loss of her world, yes. But that doesn't mean she needs to turn into a jaded hard-drinking tough girl. Or MCU Rocket Raccoon, as another anon out it. There is nothing wrong with being a sweet and sincere teenage girl who is hurting.
>Gunn and King seem to want to go too far in the opposite direction.
Correct.
>Characters, especially female characters, don't need to become cynical and snarky to show how tough and badass they are in the face of their trauma.
Incorrect.
My problem is that it's just not in Supergirl's character to go that far in being cynical and snarky. It depends ENTIRELY on the character. To act as if it's the case otherwise is to be ignorant and even sexist, in your case.
But otherwise, you're right in that Kara does not need to be an angry, bitter drunk.
Are you fricking kidding me? Sexist?
>you're right in that Kara does not need to be an angry, bitter drunk.
Women can be cynical snarky tough as nails alcholic blah blah blah. Gamora and Nebula had the best dynamic in the GotG films yeah, woefully underused as it was. But if you need to turn every woman into a hardened tough-talking badass with a hidden heart of gold just so that her feelings can be taken seriously, then you're the sexist. That's what I said.
Gunn says he wants to return to Superman's roots as a wholesome nice fellow who just wants to do good and believe in a better tomorrow. So what's counter-revolutionary about Kara being vulnerable as the child that she is? Why is it so amazing for a man to be a sweet upstanding guy, but the girl needs to be snarky and bitter and world-weary to show that her trauma should be taken seriously?
Never said that no woman can be cool and tough and badass and bitter ever. But Kara doesn't need to be. I'm sensing that she's being used as the angst dump here. Gunn says that Clark's wholesome good boy schtick is nothing to be ashamed of, then apparently turns around and decides Kara's more traditional attributes aren't good enough.
>Women can be cynical snarky tough as nails alcholic blah blah blah. Gamora and Nebula had the best dynamic in the GotG films yeah, woefully underused as it was. But if you need to turn every woman into a hardened tough-talking badass with a hidden heart of gold just so that her feelings can be taken seriously, then you're the sexist. That's what I said.
I actually agree with you there but I mean, you COULD'VE phrased that better. Your post reads like, "Women should never be written to be cynical drunks."
As for the rest of your post, you're only preaching to the choir here. Considering that Gunn never just adapts things 1:1, I'm hoping that he puts his own spin on this Supergirl instead of just turning her straight up into Rocket Raccoon.
It's bad and that's bad
Terrible and worrying
Nepo Spook Tom King being Gunn's butt buddy has killed all hope for the franchise.
I am looking forward to the youtube compilation of Noho Hank as Metamorpho, though.
It's not a good comic and I don't watch adaptations of comics anymore.
Tom King is obsessed with suicide and self destruction.
It’s a bad rip off of True Grit and made Supergirl a drunk piece of shit who will just straight up murder people
>who will just straight up murder people
Didn't she go out of her to NOT murder people? Which is one of the things I actually liked about it. But yes, turning Kara into an ultra cynical drunk and substance abuser who also curses every five seconds was pretty fricking moronic, yes.
>story about facing and ultimately overcoming intense negative emotions from traumatic losses
>"waah why is Kara mad"
Media literacy is dead.
Themes don't save a story friend.
Her dealing with Trauma and shit has been done before and done better, like the early 2000s run and hell even Cosmic Adventures in the 8th Grade
Tom King sure knows how to sell comics, he convinced a whole lot of idiots that he's the only one who can do good comics.
Nobody bought this fricking book. DC didn't even believe in it and only gave Tom (Mr 12 issue maxxies) 8 issues.
It sold well in trade mostly on art, which is the stand out of this story. Evely and Lopes colors are stunning.
Tom King just ripped off True Grit.
>anon discovers that writers take inspiration from other stories
So did Lone Wolf and Cub I guess.
Lone wolf and cub took inspiration from True Grit, Supergirl unbound is just true grit.
Supergirl calling Superman a "little b***h" was lame. The narration was dull as shit. The plot was boring. King should have copied True Grit more exactly and it would have been more entertaining.
The art was good, but Supergirl was a frump.
>Lone wolf and cub took inspiration from True Grit
How?
Well after checking up on that it seems like you're right and that lone wolf and the cub has zero to do with true grit.
It didn’t take inspiration it was literally just True Grit
Oh yeah I forgot about that part in True Grit where they traveled to a planet to uncover an ethnic cleaning.
Are you daft or are just being obtuse on purpose?
Considering you actually read Tom King books and enjoy them I’m going to assume you are in fact a moron
I like the book but I think it's a bad intro to the character.
It was okay for a "homage" to True Grit though like most modern comic books it would have been fine as a 3 parter.
Supergirl cosmic adventures in the 8th grade was superior
>Supergirl cosmic adventures in the 8th grade was superior
FFS, YES
>Canon
LOL
LMAO
No one normal gives a shit about this.
>No one normal gives a shit about this
Where do you think we are?
A graveyard of clowns who still exist to a dying breed comics that DC themselves already abandoned.
Your talking points mean absolutely nothing though when all I'm pointing out that Tom King is open to criticism for getting canon events seeing how much he relies on those same easter eggs to canon events to move his stories forward.
>Supergirl
>Woman of Tomorrow
Make up your minds, will you? How old is she supposed to be?
So is Superman going to be portrayed as a god again? You know Hollywood can’t made a single Superman movie without forcing that in there.
Is Tom King going to be good or bad for this shit long term? I wiped comics from my memory so I can’t remember anything he wrote.
He's gonna be the next Max Landis.
I fricking hope.
Doesn’t Tom King hate men?
I don’t know if he strictly hates men, he definitely has a Mommy Wife fetish and is seemingly racist against Asians considering the whole Jae Lee incident
If anything I'd argue Tom King is more of a sexist towards women.
Good art, Tom King writing.
Something you're always gonna see in these threads is someone trying to prerend that you're just not smart enough to criticize Tom King but never let them control the narrative like that.
If a Supergirl doesn't feel like a Supergirl comic then that's a problem and not an advantage.
>try to read comic
>Supergirl is drunk and cursing like some angry sorority sister caught drinking and driving
Aaaaand dropped.
>rip off true grit
>have supergirl swear all the time
>normalgays eat it up
The art is great but the writing is mediocre
eat it up
They didn't? the book bombed even after Gunn and the twitter shill push
Its a bad book that going to be made into a bad movie
It won't even get made, it'd be too expensive for modern WB.
What do you guys think of the legion supergirl movie?
The tomorrowverse one? I guess the girls were drawn with some pretty nice asses. And Ackles is a good Batman. That's all I can say positively
>be bilquis evely
>draw a supergirl coverart that is obviously a She-Ra rift
>nepo baby tom king forced it to be a boring western all because he watched true grit that week
Seriously the art is fricking borderline perfect for a Supergirl book but the writing is just so mediocre
Every Tom King book is basically him coasting off the artist doing all the work.
Because Tom can't plot or write dialogue or keep characters consistent so what is he bringing to the table?
James Gunn if you are reading this please minimize Tom King’s involvement in your DCU if you want it to be successful in any way. You have fallen for the Emperor’s New Clothes.
It's not Gunn's choice anymore, Tom King's mom is just making sure he has a job.
I can’t tell if King is good or bad for Superman. I didn’t like his Batman.
Tom King writes a good Superman, but I'm genuinely struggling to think of a SINGLE other DC character he truly gets and portrays well. He fricked up Batman and all his supporting characters at a fundamental level. He fricked up Wally on a fundamental level. His Supergirl is very shallow and has no real depth to her beyond the rigid story structure provided in this comic. So far his Wonder Woman has been written like a hypocrite who turns in her sword as a personal rule to avoid the methods of brute cruelty in the comic battles, then immediately threatens a man with GUNS instead.