>thousands of Jedi
>literally two Sith
>Jedi think "bringing balance to the force" means anything but total ruin for the Jedi
Explain this shit.
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Weird how when TLJ made this valid point everyone called the scene reddit slop for saying it.
>thousands of cells
>literally two cancer cells
>body thinks "bringing balance" means anything but spreading more cancer
This is you, you imbecile.
It's not a valid point.
>This is you, you imbecile.
George is pretty open about his beliefs in Buddhism. He believes in yin and yang, not the total eradication of the "dark" like in Christianity. You need both light and darkness inside of you, since you can only learn to better yourself and control yourself with the dark.
>his beliefs in Buddhism. He believes in yin and yang
Anon I...
>Lucas has come to state that his religion is "Buddhist Methodist"
love it when midwits both expose their emotional hatred of christianity and also demonstrate their total lack of knowledge of other supposedly better religions. buddhism doesn’t argue for this nonsense light and dark balance at all, and the ying yang is confucian, not buddhist. buddhists believe all attachment and longing are bad, because they are the cause of suffering. if you want for something you don’t attain, you suffer. better to align yourself to the needs of reality which don’t cater to your ego instead. they also argue the human self does not exist, it’s a phantasm of bodily needs and wants which just cause suffering. this is a doctrine utterly against everything you are trying to argue about the force being a “balance”. god atheists are fricking dumb kek
It's amazing how stupid and wrong you are.
>The principle of yin and yang is represented by the Taijitu (literally "Diagram of the Supreme Ultimate"). The term is commonly used to mean the simple "divided circle" form, but may refer to any of several schematic diagrams representing these principles, such as the swastika, common to Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism. Similar symbols have also appeared in other cultures, such as in Celtic art and Roman shield markings
It is explicitly tied into Buddhism, but it predates Confucianism. Either way, you're still wrong about its definition, and the Yin and Yang is meant to literally represent opposites, of which light and dark are LITERAL representations. Frick off back to whatever community college shit-hole you crawled out of.
>love it when midwits both expose their emotional hatred of christianity and also demonstrate their total lack of knowledge of other supposedly better religions. buddhism doesn’t argue for this nonsense light and dark balance at all, and the ying yang is confucian, not buddhist. buddhists believe all attachment and longing are bad, because they are the cause of suffering. if you want for something you don’t attain, you suffer. better to align yourself to the needs of reality which don’t cater to your ego instead. they also argue the human self does not exist, it’s a phantasm of bodily needs and wants which just cause suffering. this is a doctrine utterly against everything you are trying to argue about the force being a “balance”. god atheists are fricking dumb kek
people despise christhomosexualry because the lot of you are hypocritical c**ts who cannot fricking shut up. Go die in a church.
>you are making an emotional argument that has nothing to do with the source material
>has an emotional outburst in response with no argument
lol
Not him but literally nobody mentioned christianity until you started seething about it for no reason. The preachy c**t isn’t him.
>love it when midwits both expose their emotional hatred of christianity
DId you read his moronic ass shit, of course not. Shut the frick up.
Hi samegay
>Hi samegay
no shit moron.
>Take a time out bro.
I don't think I will, frick christhomosexualry and frick you.
>o-of course i’m samegayging
yes it’s very obvious to how obsessed and emotionally invested you are, thanks lmao
Do they think this shit makes them look good? Throwing constant tantrums?
idk. but being so fragile you genuinely get this compulsively upset over religion existing on Cinemaphile is endlessly amusing
>yes it’s very obvious to how obsessed and emotionally invested you are, thanks lmao
I don't get mad at things on the internet but I'm gonna tell christhomosexuals I think you suck every time, go suck jesus's dick.
you are clearly mad as hell though. tone down the seething prose if you don’t want everyone to see that
>you are clearly mad as hell though. tone down the seething prose if you don’t want everyone to see that
Nah i'm gonna keep telling you gays that your shit sucks and it's all moronic, even islam is more respectable than you homosexuals, least they believe in something.
Black person I don’t care if you hate islam, throwing homosexuals off of roofs is better than atheists voting millions of migrants in every year and throwing pride parades. i’d take any religion over you
Again, you’re just proving his posts about your emotional hangups correct. This doesn’t look cool to everyone else, it just looks like one guy with a chip on his shoulder crying online.
>STILL fuming
Take a time out bro.
>nn...noobody mentioend chrisntantiy
>except the person who started this comment chain hence why its brought up
have a nice day.
I never said I was atheist.
>George is pretty open about his beliefs in Buddhism.
>proceeds to say things that don't align with buddhist beliefs of balance
redditors think american protestantism is all religion so they get confused easily
Exactly this. Equal light and dark is the only definition of balance in Star Wars and in George Lucas views.
>He believes in yin and yang, not the total eradication of the "dark" like in Christianity.
That's quite false, because across all movies and cartoons made by George moral objectivism is mandatory, Dark Side bad, Light Side good
Except Darth Vader turns out to not be evil and becomes a force ghost....
So you mean... he was good... and evil? Perhaps... balanced?
Holy frick you’re moronic. He was only considered balanced once he rejected all the evil inside himself. He was in balance once the dark side was no longer a part of Anakin
That was Anakin.
>Except Darth Vader turns out to not be evil and becomes a force ghost....
All according to abhraamic sacrifice concept
Anakin didn't reached Nirvana, he commited a heroic act and was rewarded with salvation
Nirvana predates judaism, by a lot. As does self-sacrifice.
the guy was saying that nirvana has nothing to do with self sacrifice. nirvana is not having a self to sacrifice in the first place, moron
Except you're the moron since there is no such thing as salvation either in Star Wars.
except being a force ghost or becoming one with the force lmao. you’re fundamentally uneducated on what buddhism is either way. nirvana isn’t just bliss, it’s a blissful state that comes with having no awareness of the self. you can’t sacrifice yourself for the greater good because nirvana is recognising that “you” never existed
>you can’t sacrifice yourself for the greater good because nirvana is recognising that “you” never existed
Stop talking about Buddhism. Your stupidity is physically hurting me.
disprove it instead of just calling people a dumb idiot with more words, redditor
Being a force ghost is not salvation. The reason it's important to show that Anakin became a force ghost is because it shows that he came to the light side, since only light side users can become force ghosts. And, only force sensitives can become force ghosts. It's why we never see a non-jedi as a force ghost.
>nirvana is not having a self to sacrifice in the first place, moron
You are the dumbest gorilla Black person moron I have ever seen.
The only way to reach Nirvana is through self-sacrifice and rejecting earthly materialism and rejecting your ego.
no, you’re calling people dumb to deflect from the fact that you clearly have no understanding of eastern religion and are trapped in some modernist western descartes dialectic when discussing it. denying the material body in christianity is not the same as doing so in buddhism. in christianity there is substance dualism, matter and spirit. the spirit contains ideal impulses and the body lowly and base ones. the self is a struggle between both natures. this dualism DOES NOT exist in buddhism. there is no self. there is no you. this might be hard for a poseur moron like you to comprehend but “I” doesn’t exist in buddhism. you are a bundle of mental states from every changing processes, a personality and individual is an illusion which causes longing and suffering. realising you don’t exist as a separate conscious entity is nirvana. this isn’t the same as christianity which teaches that you fundamentally do have a concrete ontological existence
You couldn't be anymore objectively wrong, lmao.
Absolutely none of these relate to the force, what a self own you moron.
Example: I’m a “balanced” person because I don’t break the law. I would sure like to sucker punch the guy who cut me off on the way to work today, but I overcome those evil urges. I achieve “balance” not by obeying the law half the time and going Columbine the other half of the time. I achieve it by achieving internal balance between my greater and lesser emotions. Now replace “the law” with “the force” and smack yourself across the face.
>absolutely none of these quotes that are directly related to the force aren't about the force
Cope. George Lucas has already explained ad nauseum that we all have light and dark within us, but turning to the dark side and become a sith means embracing the dark side fully and becoming selfish, IE, falling out of balance. You will always have dark side within you no matter what, which is why the Force is called "The force" and not "The Light side", you brain-dead mongoloid moron. There is no getting rid of it. But you can control it.
Now put a gun in your mouth and pull the trigger so you can reach salvation faster and sacrifice yourself to save us from your dogshit moron brain.
Following all the law all the time is not balanced you moron. What a self-owning example.
You're both right but that's only because Lucas is a fricking moron. Yes he said all that shit about balance and yes this has to do with the Force on a metaphorical level as it's a narrative device, however Lucas views "balance" as the purging and denial of evil because he mixed his eastern philosophy with western Christian/stoic thought, which in reality just creates an irreconcilable system of gobbledyasiatic nonsense.
It's pretty straight forward actually. Dark = Selfishness, Light = Selflessness, Force = Both of them combined.
No stupid, because to Lucas being "balanced" is being selfless. The Force is supposed to be selflessness and the Dark Side is a corruption of selfishness.
He's saying selfishness is unnatural, which of course is fricking moronic but who are we to question a multibillionaire with four children that aren't his.
It's just a simply worded explanation for dumb-dumbs thing that people overthink and invent problems for
Balance to the Force = bad stuff gone
>BAD STUFF IS BAAAD
you fricking moron
>bad and good terminology in the context of balance
>calls someone else dumb
LMAO
“ The core of the Force–I mean, you got the dark side, the light side, one is selfless, one is selfish, and you wanna keep them in balance. What happens when you go to the dark side is it goes out of balance and you get really selfish and you forget about everybody … because when you get selfish you get stuff, or you want stuff, and when you want stuff and you get stuff then you are afraid somebody is going to take it away from you, whether it’s a person or a thing or a particular pleasure or experience”
Lucas states that both dark and light exist as part of the force, but that succumbing to the dark side throws the balance off. Notice he doesn’t state that too much light throws it off balance. This is why the force is imbalanced in TPM with the simple existence of a Sith Lord, whereas before it was in balance with every Jedi keeping their darkness in check
>Notice he doesn’t state that too much light throws it off balance.
That's really dumb. Extreme altruism is 100% a bad thing.
Sure, but this is Lucas and Star Wars we’re talking about
Morals that are wrong are just lies.
All subjective
> this dualism DOES NOT exist in buddhism. there is no self. there is no you. this might be hard for a poseur moron like you to comprehend but “I” doesn’t exist in buddhism. you are a bundle of mental states from every changing processes, a personality and individual is an illusion which causes longing and suffering. realising you don’t exist as a separate conscious entity is nirvana. this isn’t the same as christianity which teaches that you fundamentally do have a concrete ontological existence
I already stated that you illiterate fricking moron. It's called letting go of your "ego". Christ you're fricking stupid.
>As does self-sacrifice.
And self-sacrifice have nothing to do with reaching Nirvana.
only after he found redemption by rejecting the dark side and its evil ways and sacrificing himself to destroy palpatine who is pretty much the star wars equivlanet of satan, granted you can easily argue how it really shouldn't be enough for his redemption but just remember the original idea for force ghost is the only way ato become one is to heavily train yourself in becoming one with the force which is something a dark side user would never be able to achieve, at least until hack EU writers then made worse by Disney shat on because the sequels turned into a train wreck
>only by rejecting the dark side
moron, by Lucas's own words, he was still the chosen one as Darth Vader. It was only his adoption of the dark side that allowed him to defeat the sith....Gee, almost like he was redeemed by his son and achieved transcendence.
First off, buddhism is probably the least religion of the world's major religions and a lot of its concepts overlap with its neighbors. For example, yin and yang are primarily Daoist principles, not buddhist ones. In no capacity do buddhists seek to increase the amount of darkness in the world in order to bring about some kind of cosmic balance, and evil/darkness is directly punished after death in the overwhelming majority of buddhist teachings. If you do bad shit in buddhism, you can in fact go to 'hell' and be punished for being a dick. And really bad shit results in you being literally erased from existence. Well, thats more of a hindu principle but some buddhist sects believe in it as well.
While you could argue a daoist seeks balance between light and dark in order to master both, a buddhist seeks to break the cycle of reincarnation by becoming selfless and beyond all mortal concepts. This doesnt mean the buddhist can be a WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY TWISTED PSYCHOPATH as long as he gives alms and feeds the hungry, it means its easier to be selfless by doing good and spreading good since goodness causes the least amount of harm and therefore generates the least amount of negative karma, chaining you to the cycle of reincarnation. You're wrong, and probably israeli.
>Weird how when TLJ made this valid point
TLJ did it far worse than KOTOR 2
>TLJ made this valid point everyone
LOL NOPE
Seethe harder Johnsongay.
It's reddit slop for immediately going
>lol jk the jedi are actually the good guys and the books are actually important and the sith are the bad guys and it's important for the good guys to beat the bad guys pew pew whooosssshhh kaboom!
This. If Disney had let Rian play it straight the movie might actually have been interesting.
midwits really struggle with this
balance: following the will of the force and making yourself a vessel of the will of the force, not your own will
imbalance: utilising the force as an extension of your own ego and will, disrupting the will of the force to bend it to the needs of your limited self
it’s that simple. every modern star wars writer with this moronic morally grey shit is not getting this basic point. the jedi make themselves in tune with what the force wants. the sith use the force to accomplish what they want
This. The Force isn't actually dualistic, it has a proper use and a corrupt use. The Sith are not an inevitability.
This is false though. There must always be equal parts light and dark. Both are natural aspects of the Force and are required to be in balance. Too many Jedi or too many Sith are an imbalance and will always be corrected.
>this is incorrect
this is literally what lucas himself has said. the sith are imbalance because they bend the force to their will. the jedi are balance because they attune themselves to what the force wants. i guess you can disagree with the creator of the universe for what disney and fanfic writers say though.
%3D
Wrong. See
>george lucas is wrong about his own work
ok lmao
George Lucas has always said what I posted. Dumb shill.
literally watch the video I linked. he explicitly refutes what you say in it and says the jedi are balance and the sith are imbalance
No. He literally doesn't.
The prequels basically invalidate 2/3rds of the OT, so it seems Lucas can be wrong about a staggering amount of things.
NTA but lucas changes what he says about the series weekly, he can hardly be trusted
>i guess you can disagree with the creator of the universe for what disney and fanfic writers say though
Sometimes a creator doesn’t actually know what they’re saying or doing. Just look at Toriyama with Dragon Ball.
And if what Lucas is saying is true then it makes you wonder how he ever wrote the prequels so that Yoda allowed things to the point they did despite seemingly being older than everyone in the temple.
a creator always knows what they’re saying or doing. if they fail, what they want to say doesn’t come across clearly. that’s all you can argue. that what george has explicitly stated multiple times he was doing didn’t come across obviously to you.
>a creator always knows what they’re saying or doing
I don’t think you understand just how incorrect that statement is.
The entire point of the PT is that the jedi were not in balance with the force, instead becoming content stooges of the senate who allowed the dark side to rise.
>Yoda allowed things to the point they did despite seemingly being older than everyone
Because Yoda didn't WANT to be the Grand Master in charge. You can already see how most of the day to day shit is Mace Windu leading. Yoda just wants to be a cool old teacher helping instruct the new generations while otherwise hanging out in the gardens. He's weighed down by his own reputation.
>this is literally what lucas himself has said. the sith are imbalance because they bend the force to their will.
Except he literally also explained, years back, that his intent was to highlight that the Jedi mis-read the prophecy and that Anakin would bring balance to the force by crushing the Jedi order....Yoda LITERALLY says this. He's clearly just going back on his word here, just like back when he compared the rebels in Star Wars to American revolutionaries, and then went on and compared them to the vietcong.
link that explanation like I did mine then. also the jedi not living up to their belief system isn’t the same as the belief system being identical to the conduct of the jedi
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Ae7kPiquoj0
there is nothing in this that validates the view that dark side of the force is natural
>just like back when he compared the rebels in Star Wars to American revolutionaries, and then went on and compared them to the vietcong
Not really seeing how he's going back on his word here.
American revolutionaries fighting a monarch for independence is a lot different than jungle chinks wanting to genocide people because of their belief in modes of economy.
this post really should be a sticky. People posting in every SW thread would benefit with this info.
FRICK THE WHILLS
Kreia go home, you're drunk.
moron
Stop inventing shit in your head and place it here as canon
Google Mortis God, you fat frick
What would other beings using the force have to say about the true nature of the force?
Yeah, its like saying a balanced breakfast is half healthy and half injecting bacon grease into your eyeballs.
Sounds like a cope to me
>shadow government cult that has to steal babies across the galaxy just so there's no possible opposition to their defense racket
>so virtuous they'll free a slave child but not his mother to ease his pea brain conscience resulting in your own destruction
Free will is in question with 'the force' playing sentient life like puppets, that's all 'Sith' stuff is about. Tension between them and even within the order itself is around this fatalism and the prophecy. No one's willing to do the right thing when it requires breaking protocol. The Order didn't 'free' Anakin (or his mother), subsequently fashioning the instrument of their own reckoning.
This. There is no Light Side, Dark Side, and Grey Side. There is only the force and the perversion of the force. Bringing balance to the force is removing the Sith contamination. Literally all it took was 1 (one) sith lord to destroy democracy in the entire Galaxy and subjugate every life form to his will, while also genociding every single Jedi. They don't hesitate to blow up planets, to clone armies, to manipulate and torture people, or anything.
Frick Sith, frick the dark side, and frick 'grey' Jedis
so jedi are like christBlack folk obeying yahwehs will
>imbalance: utilising the force as an extension of your own ego and will,
there was a fuking tree using dark force in ep V
say that to my face and not online little b***h and see what happens
Hit the nail on the head.
Part of why the dark side was obscuring things in the PT was that the Jedi had become decadent and were no longer truly making themselves vessels of the force.
you are correct. if i was force sensitive, i would be a sith. otherwise, i would seek to eradicate the force.
who cares disney ruined star wars when they introduced the lore that your feelings determine light saber color instead of the crystal used.
Kek wut? I haven't been following this shit but that's fricking moronic.
Yeah it’s some astrology shit
inb4 some moronic troony who never understood Star Wars claims otherwise
Luke being the only Force user left alive in the entire galaxy at the end of RotJ was the balance. He had equal parts light and dark in him and he was alone. No Jedi or Sith, just one person left who can access it.
that sounds moronic
Not really. There were two Jedi and two Sith at the start of the trilogy. And in the end both Jedi and both Sith are dead. Luke experienced both sides of the Force but ultimately rejected the dark side and the ways of the Jedi. The Force is perfectly in balance within him and there is exterior counterbalance left.
he utterly rejected the sith though. he refused his own volatile emotions and refused violence even in an instance where it made no practical sense to do so. nothing about his character development in ep 6 implies the sith were correct in any way, he wins by rejecting their ideology. this is just cope
that sounds kino
>Luke being the only Force user left alive
Leia was force sensitive though.
>He had equal parts light and dark in him
Lmao, what is this moronic fanfic thought process?
Well you see he saved the galaxy and risked his life for his loved ones multiple times but he also wore black that one time so you know, that's pretty much equal.
the term light side is inaccurate since it implies its just another side of the force, the actual reality is the "light" side is what the force actually is with the dark side essentially being the equivalent of a malignet tumor spreading root and destruction through the natural system of the force and for everybodys benefit must be destroyed, its also why all dark side users eventually becoming horrific looking in some way simply because said "force" is also corrupting them as well
except you got the basic premise wrong since Luke outright rejected the dark side and by extnesion was able to free his father from its clutches through his determination to reject it
Not only that, but it was Anakin personally who balanced everything. Anakin culled the Jedi pre A New Hope down to 2 (matching the sith). When Luke started becoming a Jedi, Anakin killed Obi Wan to bring it back to 2v2. After Yoda died Anakin killed the Emperor to make it 1v1, and then died after turning back light side. He was the chosen one in a much more literal way than people thought.
>Anakin culled the Jedi pre A New Hope down to 2 (matching the sith)
Dude missed a couple.
>There is another
its literally about the shoah
jedi are israelites
Was there really onl 2
the sith are the imbalance,the force isn't light side/ dark side like what most brainlets say
the force simply is, and the dark side is a perversion of that, a corruption of nature
jedi deserved to get wiped out though, they were arrogant dumbasses by the time the clone wars started up
You're a brainlet. But so are most people.
>The Force: Natural
>The Dark Side: Unnatural perversion of the force
Bringing balance to the force is the complete elimination of the dark side.
Nope. Equal light and dark are the balance.
There is no light, moron. Please find me even one moment where the "light" side is mentioned even once in the original 6 films.
this guy might be moronic
At no point in Star Wars 1-6 does anyone speak of a light side, just The Force and The Dark Side.
If the force is always natural then there can’t be an unnatural imbalance. Especially if they all get the exact same power set from it anyway.
isn't the force now referred to as she/her and is female according to Disney??
I remember Ms Kennedy saying it was part of the new canon
>two Sith
>two Jedi
>I KNOW LET'S ADD MORE SIDE CHARACTERS WHO ARE SITH AND JEDI
Bravo Lucas
Lucas has made it clear the dark side is an aberration and balance does not mean an equal light and dark side, it means defeat of the dark side.
How does this contend with those "force gods" episodes of the clone wars series though, wasn't being the chosen one just actually about those stupid things?
it used to be debated if said episode even actually happened or if it was simply a vision on their part (the fact when Rex gets back in contact with them he mentions it was only a few seconds he lost them, followed by Anakin later on saying he wasn't sure if it was real)
>it used to be debated if said episode even actually happened or if it was simply a vision on their part (the fact when Rex gets back in contact with them he mentions it was only a few seconds he lost them, followed by Anakin later on saying he wasn't sure if it was real)
Interesting I thought that was more about time sort of not being real while in the presence of actual universal gods so that Lucas didn't have to explain any time shenanigans. but maybe that was written in as a way to completely ignore the whole ordeal if people didn't like it.
it used to be open ended over how much of it actually happened versues how much of it was a vision, granted shit like rebels made it pretty much lean far more into maybe happened aspect but even then you can still make the case of it was just a dream (that and I am fairly certain said ark was pretty much their to be a deep lore reference at least before the old EU got axed hard)
Qui-Gon basically showed up during that arc and just said the gods are fallible beings like anyone else, they aren't beings of the force, just ones really strong in it.
The Force exists beyond just the Jedi and Sith, it's not just all about them
Didn't Yoda talk about how the Force was all cloudy and unclear now even to the Masters, there were plenty of Jedi around but they were slowly losing touch with it compared to how it was in the past
It wasn't durrr 10,000 Jedi vs 2 Sith Anakin's going to make those numbers equal, it was that he would unfrick the Force and solve whatever was gunking it up
>t was that he would unfrick the Force and solve whatever was gunking it up
Well probably not the case in canon since the reason shit was going wrong was because the jedi temple was built on a dark side well and they didn't realize palpatine had awoken it.
Lucas is a mental midget, no wonder he's fellated by contrarians on Cinemaphile
The Sith were a cancer. The Force literally created Anakin as a way to remove the cancer. Hence, the Prophecy of the one who would bring balance to the Force.
Unfortunately, along the way, Anakin made a few bad decisions and fell to the Dark Side. In the process he destroyed the Jedi, who had become institutionalized and had lost their spiritual connection with the Force in the process, and suffered for 25 years. Had he simply followed his destiny and finished removing the cancer (he had already killed Dooku) by killing Palpy, he would have been fine. He turned his back on his destiny and had to suffer for it.
Along comes Luke, Anakin decides to reject the Dark Side and fulfill his destiny in finishing off the Sith once and for all. Anakin died in the process to atone for his hubris.
It's all right there in every mythology in the world and is specifically spelled out, almost step by step, in The Hero With A Thousand Faces.
Of course, Disney and israelite israelite basically invalidate Anakin and Luke's entire existences by somehow bringing Palpy back, but there you go.
From my point of view the Whills are the cancer.
That wikipedia article you're copying is saying the swastika is found in Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism. Its very poorly written.
why would the jedi order even be concerned about "bringing balance" when they have had peace and total control for centuries..?
Because the Jedi didn't know what bringing balance to the Force actually meant. Remember, they were blindsided by the return of the Sith and had lost at least some level of connection to the Force.
The Council at the very least knew the vibes were off
What a stupid thread.
>thousands of trees in the forest
>2 diseased trees
>we must bring balance to the forst by allowing 498 trees to get sick and die
you are a moron.
What's there to explain?
>jedi predict anakin will bring balance to the force
>he kills 95% of jedi
And now it's balanced. George is a genius
Balance ended up being only one Jedi (Luke) at the end of Lucas's six films. Who knows what he planned for the last 3 if he had made them other than "the whills"
>kidnap children
>overthrow democratically elected leaders
the explanation? they're moronic
Lucas said in AOTC commentary that the balance of the force is achieved when there is no more dark side. It is my understanding that he and Filoni later retconned this in TCW to some ying yang bullshit but I don't care, Star Wars ended in 2005.
george has brain worms