The DCEU has never had the highest grossing movie of the year, let alone beating the MCU more or less heads up. Not even Aquaman beat the MCU that year. It's time to accept it. Comparing the DCEU to movies 4 years before it proves absolutely nothing.
>gotg was great tho
That movie was so fricking uninteresting I actually blacked out during it. I remember green b***h arguing with robot b***h, then I suddenly jumped forward in time and some half-assed Star Wars ripoff space fighters were flying around, making a giant force field or some shit. Then I blacked out again, then it was "Dance off, bro", then they were holding hands like homosexuals and the tree guy died and then it ended.
I wasn't drunk or on drugs, it was just so fricking boring and uninspired.
WB properties in general have not aged well and have proven difficult to update. As a collection of art assets, WB has always been of lower grade than competing portfolios.
>TJ AND Looney Tunes >All of Cartoon Network >ALL of DC
The only one that even comes close is Disney. Imagine any other production studio making a platform fighter (Paramount/Nick did it and it failed TWICE)
WB properties in general have not aged well and have proven difficult to update. As a collection of art assets, WB has always been of lower grade than competing portfolios.
>Wonka made 500 million >Barbie makes 1 billion
Warner needs to realize capeshit is dead. Time to bring back musicals!
Don't just make All Star Superman and be lauded for making the best superhero movie of all time or anything. Gotta have the MCU money that's long gone away.
Superman should be an ideal, not whatever cucked interpretation you have swirling in your head. Snapping necks and having amnesia freakouts is quintessentially Un -Superman.
The business issues will always impact this. WB has been going through dire financial straits. And yet they are also talking about merging with Paramount. Their fricking around HBO Max has been a joke. They can't decide on what strategy to take at all at every level.
I think it'll be another DCEU, personally. Not because the movies will be all bad or anything, but the timing ain't great for this cinematic universe shit.
Snyder doesn't care about or know anything about the genre or making family-friendly movies.
Gunn has no reverence for the genre and just wants to make jokey juvenile takedowns of it.
I still would have liked to have seen the core DCEU characters have their full character arcs completed. We could have had a scene like on Stargate. All of them have bonded over the years, gone on many adventures, good times and hard times. It's well earned but it all comes to an end.
The insider is The Hollywood Reporter insider Jeff Sneider, which is weird because usually The Hollywood Reporter tends to do flattering pieces for WB. Maybe there is some kind of infighting going on inside the WB offices.
>trying to hit the ground sprinting with an entire film franchise
Superman Legacy will be the equivalent of studio meddling that happened with BvS and JL but worse. Maybe rebooting wasn't the best idea after all.
>Calling it now, they will use the John Williams theme at least once.
Nah. It will be the main theme. According to WB it is now like the James Bond theme. You can do variations but must stick with Williams theme.
Been saying this forever. Frick shared universe! It’s over. No Infinity War to keep people interested in watching B and C level characters. Just make a good Superman movie for christ sake
>Frick shared universe! >Sony tried to make Ghostbusters into a universe with the female reboot and built a whole Ghost Corp department to do it [FAILED] >Sony tried to make Amazing Spider-Man into a universe and announced a load of spin offs and then 2 didn't do the numbers it needed and email leaks showed how out of touch they were [FAILED] >Sony trying to make a new Spider-adjacent universe with Venom, Moribius and now the upcoming Madame Web and Kraven [ACTIVELY FAILING] >Sony wanted Men in Black: International to try and set up a new series of MIB films/universe [FAILED] >Universal tried to make a monsters universe with Dracula Untold being a practical superhero movie for all intents and purposes [FAILED] >Universal tried to make a Dark universe, second monster universe attempt, with The Mummy and Tom Cruise, even going so far to announce a bunch of other projects [FAILED] >Universal wanted the Jurassic World films to spin off into a larger franchise but the sequel movies didn't do as well [FAILED] >WB wanted to make a King Arthur universe with the Guy Ritchie film as a set up [FAILED] >WB wanted to make a DC universe, this went all over the place and tried to reboot itself several times [FAILED] >Disney wanted to make Star Wars into an MCU like project and failed with the sequels and cancelled a bunch of movies post TLJ/Solo [FAILED] >Disney are trying again to make Star Wars Mando-verse into an MCU project building up to a big crossover and fans are already getting tired of Mandalorian with season 3 [ACTIVELY FAILING] >Disney forgot how to even work the MCU [FAILING]
Yes, let us try again.
See that one is surprising because those films have never done amazing? I've heard mixed things about the AppleTV+ show Monarch: Legacy of Monsters, but yeah, that franchise is trundling along. Some things are ongoing. Sony are doing more Ghostbuster films built on nostalgia with the second one of these coming out soon.
I honestly think the MCU influence on film has been Hell. Reboots and remakes existed before, sure, but all the soft reboot/remake tactics, the shared universes, the gimmicks, all come from the comic book industry and the MCU overall. It has infected executives and they have never let it go.
Like who the frick decided to make a whole organisation about building the Ghostbuster universe into a new big franchise. A fricking fun comedy with a weaker sequel does not a universe make.
I will always say the DCEU should have launched with a New Frontier movie. 80% of the characters are already famously known in various media, only a few needed any sort of audience introduction ala the MCU.
Hell, the Incredibles hit the ground running with a full universe of superhumans, and didn't frick around. Practically every Western ticket buyer knows what most of these guys are about, and Chi-nah doesn't give a shit about nuance anyway.
>Hire Snyder to direct Man of Steel >Snyder explicitly tells people after The Dark Knight Rises that Superman is in his own universe and the other heroes will get solo outings >WB sees Avengers making bank. They go nuts > Man of Steel sequel becomes a rushed lead-in to Justice League >Suicide Squad comes out where the director was ignored and the studio pivoted to try and make the movie funnier like Guardians of the Galaxy >Wonder Woman and Aquaman are hits, but barely register a blip on the cultural radar afterwards >Snyder's child dies and instead of pausing the movie, the get Joss Whedon. > Justice League middling critical reception and poor performance >More poor performances with WW1984, Blue Beetle, The Flash, Shazam sequel, Black Adam >The Suicide Squad is received well critically, but is a box office bomb >WB decides to give their entire universe over to a guy for one of their only critical darlings >Creates convoluted confused regarding what is or isn't canon. Surprise! His stuff is the most canon, even though so much of it is canon to the Snyder-verse >Rinse-repeat-fall-asleep
WB needs to shelve this entire IP for a decade, start making films that actually generate profit, and get their heads out of their asses.
>Snyder explicitly tells people after The Dark Knight Rises that Superman is in his own universe and the other heroes will get solo outings
Kek you forgot something. They actively tried to retroactively make the Nolan films the start of their universe: >Christopher Nolan was an Executive Producer on Man of Steel. >Hans Zimmer, who did the music for Nolan movies, was used for Man of Steel. >They felt like Man of Steel was a failure and panicked and constructed Batman v Superman as the sequel. >They approached Christian Bale to reprise the role for Batman v Superman, to retroactively make his films part of the DCEU, and he declined to.
>Wonder Woman and Aquaman are hits, but barely register a blip on the cultural radar afterwards
Aquaman came out after Justice League and made over a billion. I love how Aquaman made them change tactics again. Because after it was a huge box office smash they completely turned away from rebooting to try and make this universe work again.
And the favourite shall always be Black Adam and the Rock deciding he'll come in and fix this shit. They had about three almost reboots, post Aquaman, Black Adam and Flash. All failed.
They just never had a plan and had no consistency. They had box office success because normalgays genuinely thought they were MCU movies. Disney just beat DC to the shared universe curve
Sure, it was always about the gimmick sustaining the MCU because some of those MCU movies (Iron Man 2 or Thor: The Dark World) are just as bad as later outings if not worse. DC was all over the place. Man of Steel doesn't do Avengers numbers so they decide to do a big team up movie which weirdly reminds me of Iron Man 2 stuffing Black Widow into that. Suicide Squad was all over the place and we'll never see the original intention of that. Alright solo movies building up to a team up movie was all they ever needed. Now the bubble is burst. 2 movies a year from the MCU was fine. Streaming shows and more movies is not. Half the problem now for me is that streaming is going to get stuffed with franchise universe attempts.
You forgot the OG suicide squad nearly breaking 1,000,000,000 fricking dollars but apparently that wasn't good enough so they rebooted the cast immediately swapped directors and then it bombed and made <200 million as Gunn's first official DC movie.
>nearly breaking 1,000,000,000 fricking dollars
It made 746 million so was not "breaking a billion". I think the problem with looking at the figures is not just that these DC films had big budgets, huge marketing budgets etc but also that the apparatus around making the films into a franchise and all the merchandise etc also costs a huge amount of money too. Then that was all also compared to what the MCU was doing (Avengers made over a billion in 2012). Executives literally believed that Man of Steel (2013) should have broken a billion and done comparable numbers because ultimately it is all superhero shit. If you want to know how out of touch executives are, there is nothing clearer. Ike Perlmutter at Marvel was also completely out of touch. And the Sony executives and their emails talking about stuffing dubstep into Amazing Spider-Man 2 to get the kids interested is also mental. Bob Iger talking about SW has also been funny over the years.
>nearly breaking 1,000,000,000 fricking dollars
It made 746 million so was not "breaking a billion". I think the problem with looking at the figures is not just that these DC films had big budgets, huge marketing budgets etc but also that the apparatus around making the films into a franchise and all the merchandise etc also costs a huge amount of money too. Then that was all also compared to what the MCU was doing (Avengers made over a billion in 2012). Executives literally believed that Man of Steel (2013) should have broken a billion and done comparable numbers because ultimately it is all superhero shit. If you want to know how out of touch executives are, there is nothing clearer. Ike Perlmutter at Marvel was also completely out of touch. And the Sony executives and their emails talking about stuffing dubstep into Amazing Spider-Man 2 to get the kids interested is also mental. Bob Iger talking about SW has also been funny over the years.
Exectives are trapped in even worse bubbles than the average social media bubble that normal people are in; staff bubbles full of "yes men" and others. If one superhero movie does well they just decide that their movie should also do well just because.
DC skybeam stories are also so shit. That's why Batman was always more popular than Superman or why Spiderman was always more popular than Thor or Iron Man
they don't even need to do stand alone super hero movies. they should just jump straight into justice leauge don't even need big names just people who can act and make a good story. no one cares about half the characters anyway so thats why all these other standalones are flopping. the strategy of trying to get the audience to know certain characters is a waste of time and money. just throw them in the deep end. then if there is interest for certain characters after you can select those to make a stand alone otherswise too much saturation
The Hollywood Reporter that said this is now trying to do a mea culpa and backing out. I guess he realized saying shit like this on a podcast would cost him access to WB suits.
He's still isn't denying that it is a big mess, just that maybe some good movie will come out of that mess as a "miracle". Basically he's playing with words here.
Just end it. There are so many other things WB can do while they work it out. >Smallville sequel with Welling and Rosenbaum >Routh Superman series >Man of Steel series with Cavill >Batfleck movie >Wonder Woman series similar to Xena/Hercules >Snyderverse JL 2 and 3
>Fire the actor everyone loves and hire a literal who to play Supes >Rehash the same origin story for the quadillionth time >Meme director and production team
No one saw this coming whatsoever
Snyderbros..we are so back
apologize.
The DCEU has never had the highest grossing movie of the year, let alone beating the MCU more or less heads up. Not even Aquaman beat the MCU that year. It's time to accept it. Comparing the DCEU to movies 4 years before it proves absolutely nothing.
I'm the insider
AMA
wtf can that happen in real life?
you can just bite people, yes
No, women carry purses.
Really shocked that a guy that has never made a good movie is creating another piece of shit.
gotg was great tho
this
>gotg was great tho
That movie was so fricking uninteresting I actually blacked out during it. I remember green b***h arguing with robot b***h, then I suddenly jumped forward in time and some half-assed Star Wars ripoff space fighters were flying around, making a giant force field or some shit. Then I blacked out again, then it was "Dance off, bro", then they were holding hands like homosexuals and the tree guy died and then it ended.
I wasn't drunk or on drugs, it was just so fricking boring and uninspired.
You're just boring dude.
Sorry I'm not like you and your moron family and get excited over CGI whatzits whizzing around the screen, quipping and firing energy beams.
Go back.
One man can't save a sinking ship, WB is in the shitter in every department with the sole exception of Barbie, games, movies, TV, cartoons everything.
WB properties in general have not aged well and have proven difficult to update. As a collection of art assets, WB has always been of lower grade than competing portfolios.
Are you high?
>TJ AND Looney Tunes
>All of Cartoon Network
>ALL of DC
The only one that even comes close is Disney. Imagine any other production studio making a platform fighter (Paramount/Nick did it and it failed TWICE)
>Wonka made 500 million
>Barbie makes 1 billion
Warner needs to realize capeshit is dead. Time to bring back musicals!
That Superman is one ugly fricker. It's DOA.
ITS ALL OVER FOR YOU
Running an entire studio and writing/directing a movie at the same time seems like a bad idea.
Don't just make All Star Superman and be lauded for making the best superhero movie of all time or anything. Gotta have the MCU money that's long gone away.
This comic sucks. Superman is a boring gary-stu.
Superman should be an ideal, not whatever cucked interpretation you have swirling in your head. Snapping necks and having amnesia freakouts is quintessentially Un -Superman.
This would be a terrible way to get casual audiences onboard.
maybe don't cast a homosexual to be superman?
Anyone with any sense can see this wreck coming a mile off.
The business issues will always impact this. WB has been going through dire financial straits. And yet they are also talking about merging with Paramount. Their fricking around HBO Max has been a joke. They can't decide on what strategy to take at all at every level.
WB/DC is a never-ending trainwreck.
>Starting a new cinematic universe when capeshit is already on the way out
unironic algo cuck
>algo cuck
Speak English moron
Figure it out. It really isn't that complicated.
Dumb esl poster
>insider
let me guess...his nickname is SnyderCut22
underrated
Don't give a shit
Let me know when Warner Bros has the balls to make an Overman movie
I'm just glad that we got Red Son before the ukraine shitshow started
>He needs to look like Henry Cavill, but not act like Henry Cavill
>He needs to look like Henry Cavill, and be Henry Cavill
>He also needs to give me his Custodes army or I'm not giving him the Superman role again.
I think it'll be another DCEU, personally. Not because the movies will be all bad or anything, but the timing ain't great for this cinematic universe shit.
Yeah I knew that when they announced a trillion characters for what's supposed to be a Superman movie.
Who was in the wrong here??
the edgy 12 year old who’s movie pissed away 200 million and somehow given the keys to DC. Legacy will flop
bvs is good
It's a bad movie trying its best to be good.
Nah the directors cut or whatever is legitimately good.
Both are victims of bad timing. Snyder was too early and Gunn was too late.
Snyder doesn't care about or know anything about the genre or making family-friendly movies.
Gunn has no reverence for the genre and just wants to make jokey juvenile takedowns of it.
Neither of them can sell the Superfriends.
I still would have liked to have seen the core DCEU characters have their full character arcs completed. We could have had a scene like on Stargate. All of them have bonded over the years, gone on many adventures, good times and hard times. It's well earned but it all comes to an end.
>Gunn has no reverence for the genre
Pajeet insanity
>Matt McGloin
Cool so it's bullshit
He'll come back in time for MCU Phase 6 or 7?
not surprised, he should just focus on superman
the casting for that is superb
The source is this video:
The insider is The Hollywood Reporter insider Jeff Sneider, which is weird because usually The Hollywood Reporter tends to do flattering pieces for WB. Maybe there is some kind of infighting going on inside the WB offices.
Maybe these idiots should just focus on making one good movie instead of trying to hit the ground sprinting with an entire film franchise.
>trying to hit the ground sprinting with an entire film franchise
Superman Legacy will be the equivalent of studio meddling that happened with BvS and JL but worse. Maybe rebooting wasn't the best idea after all.
Calling it now, they will use the John Williams theme at least once.
>Calling it now, they will use the John Williams theme at least once.
Nah. It will be the main theme. According to WB it is now like the James Bond theme. You can do variations but must stick with Williams theme.
Roger Moore from Octopussy? Was Christopher Reeves visiting the set?
>Christopher Reeve who was shooting ‘Superman 111’ and Roger Moore on the set of the Bond movie ‘Octopussy’ in 1983 at Pinewood studios
Found it.
>Reeves makes a cameo as a clown as well.
Really? Nice.
Yes. I believe Reeves makes a cameo as a clown as well.
>Nah. It will be the main theme.
Huh? That's the one I'm talking about.
Oh, nevermind, I'm stupid
Been saying this forever. Frick shared universe! It’s over. No Infinity War to keep people interested in watching B and C level characters. Just make a good Superman movie for christ sake
>Frick shared universe!
>Sony tried to make Ghostbusters into a universe with the female reboot and built a whole Ghost Corp department to do it [FAILED]
>Sony tried to make Amazing Spider-Man into a universe and announced a load of spin offs and then 2 didn't do the numbers it needed and email leaks showed how out of touch they were [FAILED]
>Sony trying to make a new Spider-adjacent universe with Venom, Moribius and now the upcoming Madame Web and Kraven [ACTIVELY FAILING]
>Sony wanted Men in Black: International to try and set up a new series of MIB films/universe [FAILED]
>Universal tried to make a monsters universe with Dracula Untold being a practical superhero movie for all intents and purposes [FAILED]
>Universal tried to make a Dark universe, second monster universe attempt, with The Mummy and Tom Cruise, even going so far to announce a bunch of other projects [FAILED]
>Universal wanted the Jurassic World films to spin off into a larger franchise but the sequel movies didn't do as well [FAILED]
>WB wanted to make a King Arthur universe with the Guy Ritchie film as a set up [FAILED]
>WB wanted to make a DC universe, this went all over the place and tried to reboot itself several times [FAILED]
>Disney wanted to make Star Wars into an MCU like project and failed with the sequels and cancelled a bunch of movies post TLJ/Solo [FAILED]
>Disney are trying again to make Star Wars Mando-verse into an MCU project building up to a big crossover and fans are already getting tired of Mandalorian with season 3 [ACTIVELY FAILING]
>Disney forgot how to even work the MCU [FAILING]
Yes, let us try again.
The Kaiju-shit is doing fairly well if unspectacularly.
See that one is surprising because those films have never done amazing? I've heard mixed things about the AppleTV+ show Monarch: Legacy of Monsters, but yeah, that franchise is trundling along. Some things are ongoing. Sony are doing more Ghostbuster films built on nostalgia with the second one of these coming out soon.
I honestly think the MCU influence on film has been Hell. Reboots and remakes existed before, sure, but all the soft reboot/remake tactics, the shared universes, the gimmicks, all come from the comic book industry and the MCU overall. It has infected executives and they have never let it go.
Like who the frick decided to make a whole organisation about building the Ghostbuster universe into a new big franchise. A fricking fun comedy with a weaker sequel does not a universe make.
>entire budget goes into kiddie porn
>movie sucks
surprised_pikachu_face.bmp
I will always say the DCEU should have launched with a New Frontier movie. 80% of the characters are already famously known in various media, only a few needed any sort of audience introduction ala the MCU.
Hell, the Incredibles hit the ground running with a full universe of superhumans, and didn't frick around. Practically every Western ticket buyer knows what most of these guys are about, and Chi-nah doesn't give a shit about nuance anyway.
>Hire Snyder to direct Man of Steel
>Snyder explicitly tells people after The Dark Knight Rises that Superman is in his own universe and the other heroes will get solo outings
>WB sees Avengers making bank. They go nuts
> Man of Steel sequel becomes a rushed lead-in to Justice League
>Suicide Squad comes out where the director was ignored and the studio pivoted to try and make the movie funnier like Guardians of the Galaxy
>Wonder Woman and Aquaman are hits, but barely register a blip on the cultural radar afterwards
>Snyder's child dies and instead of pausing the movie, the get Joss Whedon.
> Justice League middling critical reception and poor performance
>More poor performances with WW1984, Blue Beetle, The Flash, Shazam sequel, Black Adam
>The Suicide Squad is received well critically, but is a box office bomb
>WB decides to give their entire universe over to a guy for one of their only critical darlings
>Creates convoluted confused regarding what is or isn't canon. Surprise! His stuff is the most canon, even though so much of it is canon to the Snyder-verse
>Rinse-repeat-fall-asleep
WB needs to shelve this entire IP for a decade, start making films that actually generate profit, and get their heads out of their asses.
>Snyder explicitly tells people after The Dark Knight Rises that Superman is in his own universe and the other heroes will get solo outings
Kek you forgot something. They actively tried to retroactively make the Nolan films the start of their universe:
>Christopher Nolan was an Executive Producer on Man of Steel.
>Hans Zimmer, who did the music for Nolan movies, was used for Man of Steel.
>They felt like Man of Steel was a failure and panicked and constructed Batman v Superman as the sequel.
>They approached Christian Bale to reprise the role for Batman v Superman, to retroactively make his films part of the DCEU, and he declined to.
>Wonder Woman and Aquaman are hits, but barely register a blip on the cultural radar afterwards
Aquaman came out after Justice League and made over a billion. I love how Aquaman made them change tactics again. Because after it was a huge box office smash they completely turned away from rebooting to try and make this universe work again.
And the favourite shall always be Black Adam and the Rock deciding he'll come in and fix this shit. They had about three almost reboots, post Aquaman, Black Adam and Flash. All failed.
They just never had a plan and had no consistency. They had box office success because normalgays genuinely thought they were MCU movies. Disney just beat DC to the shared universe curve
Sure, it was always about the gimmick sustaining the MCU because some of those MCU movies (Iron Man 2 or Thor: The Dark World) are just as bad as later outings if not worse. DC was all over the place. Man of Steel doesn't do Avengers numbers so they decide to do a big team up movie which weirdly reminds me of Iron Man 2 stuffing Black Widow into that. Suicide Squad was all over the place and we'll never see the original intention of that. Alright solo movies building up to a team up movie was all they ever needed. Now the bubble is burst. 2 movies a year from the MCU was fine. Streaming shows and more movies is not. Half the problem now for me is that streaming is going to get stuffed with franchise universe attempts.
>Disney just beat DC to the shared universe curve
MCU started before Disney bought them
You forgot the OG suicide squad nearly breaking 1,000,000,000 fricking dollars but apparently that wasn't good enough so they rebooted the cast immediately swapped directors and then it bombed and made <200 million as Gunn's first official DC movie.
>nearly breaking 1,000,000,000 fricking dollars
It made 746 million so was not "breaking a billion". I think the problem with looking at the figures is not just that these DC films had big budgets, huge marketing budgets etc but also that the apparatus around making the films into a franchise and all the merchandise etc also costs a huge amount of money too. Then that was all also compared to what the MCU was doing (Avengers made over a billion in 2012). Executives literally believed that Man of Steel (2013) should have broken a billion and done comparable numbers because ultimately it is all superhero shit. If you want to know how out of touch executives are, there is nothing clearer. Ike Perlmutter at Marvel was also completely out of touch. And the Sony executives and their emails talking about stuffing dubstep into Amazing Spider-Man 2 to get the kids interested is also mental. Bob Iger talking about SW has also been funny over the years.
Exectives are trapped in even worse bubbles than the average social media bubble that normal people are in; staff bubbles full of "yes men" and others. If one superhero movie does well they just decide that their movie should also do well just because.
DC skybeam stories are also so shit. That's why Batman was always more popular than Superman or why Spiderman was always more popular than Thor or Iron Man
Please just shitcan all of it, no one wants more capeslop
>you now remember all the pajeets who'd spam the board talking about justice league and man of steel
they don't even need to do stand alone super hero movies. they should just jump straight into justice leauge don't even need big names just people who can act and make a good story. no one cares about half the characters anyway so thats why all these other standalones are flopping. the strategy of trying to get the audience to know certain characters is a waste of time and money. just throw them in the deep end. then if there is interest for certain characters after you can select those to make a stand alone otherswise too much saturation
how can it be that difficult to make a fun Superman movie, they managed it in 1978
Because they are all ghouls.
what would you do
So I have this really original idea where he is evil.
The Hollywood Reporter that said this is now trying to do a mea culpa and backing out. I guess he realized saying shit like this on a podcast would cost him access to WB suits.
cat's out of the bag
He's still isn't denying that it is a big mess, just that maybe some good movie will come out of that mess as a "miracle". Basically he's playing with words here.
Just end it. There are so many other things WB can do while they work it out.
>Smallville sequel with Welling and Rosenbaum
>Routh Superman series
>Man of Steel series with Cavill
>Batfleck movie
>Wonder Woman series similar to Xena/Hercules
>Snyderverse JL 2 and 3
>Fire the actor everyone loves and hire a literal who to play Supes
>Rehash the same origin story for the quadillionth time
>Meme director and production team
No one saw this coming whatsoever
DC apparently missed the memo that multiverses are dead.
Maybe just make like 2 movies at a time?
Do you need frickin 7 Streaming shows, and 5 movies?
>new capeshit ''universe'' just as even Marvel is bombing
pure insanity. pull the plug before they lose even more money. just make solo movies that go for prestige like Joker.
>i still care what james gunn does
>wow i love superhero films