Did Titan have a black box or onboard camera? If it did and assuming it survived, then we might actually just have footage/audio recording of the moment these guys died.
It did have an onboard camera but I don't think it survived. Guess it remains to be seen.
If there is any footage, it's unlikely they'll release it to the public, due to its graphic nature.
>If there is any footage, it's unlikely they'll release it to the public, due to its graphic nature.
It's likely not capturing at a framerate nearly fast enough to capture anything, unless there was panic in the moments prior as they are hearing the carbon fiber begin to fail. I think it was that Japanese plane crash where someone was filming with a 35mm camera at the moment of impact and there is like one frame of footage that shows what is believed to be fluid splashed on the windshield as the plane impacts the ground.
Then there is the high res footage of that woman plane stunt artist "wing walker" lady who impacted the ground and you can see her body getting crushed and face deforming but that is a rare event due to the circumstances. It's not like gopro car accident footage.
Should have just slowed the Titanic and rammed the iceberg.
Worst case scenario they'll lose a couple of hundreds of passengers where the iceberg will squash the steel hull but nonetheless everyone else will survive and the Titanic won't sink.
Anon is referring to the theory that if they hadn't turned and caused the iceberg to scrape and flood many compartments throughout the ship and instead had just rammed it head on it wouldn't have sunk because then it would have flooded just the forward 2-3 compartments and the Titanic was designed to survive with at least 4 compartments flooded
>Should have just slowed the Titanic and rammed the iceberg. > >Worst case scenario they'll lose a couple of hundreds of passengers where the iceberg will squash the steel hull but nonetheless everyone else will survive and the Titanic won't sink.
There's a 0% chance anyone would have made that call, though. Ramming a thing head-on as opposed to grazing it with your side is pretty counter-intuitive. To make it worse, you'd be the guy who chose to ram an iceberg with your ship that was designed to survive the thing you avoided doing, that would have "saved lives".
Hindsight is 20/20 and while it doesn't get much more high profile then Titanic, generally you need shit like this to happen so changes and improvements occur.
Like the other anon said, it's counter-intuitive, but there's also the fact that they saw the iceberg too late, due to a combination of factors, the most ironic of which is that the crew member who had the keys to the room with the binoculars never boarded the Titanic.
Had they seen it just a few moments earlier, the entire thing could've been averted.
Once the alarm was raised, they acted very quickly.
>Welsh mathematician and GCHQ spy Gareth Williams, 31, was found dead and naked in a bag that had been padlocked from the outside, in the bath of his home in Central London.[336] The inquest found his death was likely criminal, although a Metropolitan Police investigation later found that it was likely an accident.[337]
>Is this evidence of a time traveler meddling with the past? Maybe we're in the "Better" timeline because the Titanic sank.
I'm from a different timeline and have distinct memories of the captain surviving and living his remaining years miserable and despised. There is definitely some time travel frickery around these important events.
>am I remembering things wrong because I don't have a flawless photographic memory? No,.it must be time travel
Convincing yourself that the entire fabric of reality has changed because you couldn't remember a detail about a historical event that happened 111 years ago is main character syndrome on fricking steroids
It's not that I can't remember it, it's that I remember it distinctly differently. That is consistent with this being a different timeline, a corrupted one where the girl I had sex with's great great great grandmother was onboard Titanic
11 months ago
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>it's that I remember it distinctly differently. That is consistent with this being a different timeline >I remember it
Alright I didn't mean to be so harsh on you before but here's your problem, assuming that the way your brain is wired reflects the fabric of reality itself and how everyone else experiences the event
11 months ago
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Oh I get it. I don't mean to imply everyone else is wrong-brained but if the woman I love and was meant to be with got erased from existence because her great great great grandmother is somehow tied to the captain surviving, you know how it would be hard to shake that this reality is "wrong".
11 months ago
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Is this a hypothetical or something that you consider has happened? I'm interested
11 months ago
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It's like an echo and a haunting sense that this isn't right and you sort of hone that into more specificity by being exposed to triggering events or imagery. I did not physically teleport to a different reality and I still have memories and lots of evidence for things always being this way and none for them being any other way but the older I get and the more I get triggered the more I "remember" which I think is just me tuning-in to whatever is happening in the meta reality or quantum whatever that is trying to repair this damage. Someone like me may not be that close to key pivotal events, I think I'm probably kind of far away in the butterfly effect of causality, but in robbed me of my waifu nonetheless. I don't think the people who did this were interested in the consequences because assuming they did it for selfish reasons I can only imagine the hell that they experience as the universe rallies against them to Quantum Leap their frickery every hour of their existence.
Yup. >David Blair (or Davy) (11 November 1874 – 10 January 1955) was a British merchant seaman with the White Star Line, which had reassigned him from the RMS Titanic just before its maiden voyage. Due to his hasty departure, he accidentally kept a key to a storage locker believed to contain the binoculars intended for use by the crow's nest lookout. The absence of any binoculars within the crow's nest is believed to be one of the main contributory factors in the Titanic’s ultimate demise.
>Lightoller told his grandaughter what happened. The helmsman turned into the iceberg.
Lightholler wasn't on the bridge when the collision took place. It was a First Officer Murdoch, Sixth Officer Moody, and Quartermaster Robert Hichens who were on duty. Murdoch and Moody both died in the sinking so the only living witness to the events on the Bridge was Hichens.
Feel bad for that dude. Went to sleep around what, 11pm? Three hours later he was drowning in the name of some misguided notion of honor as if he were remotely responsible for his night crew fricking around
11 months ago
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To be fair, if he survived, he would have been crucified by the media, likely criminally charged.
Only 30 people died on the Costa Concordia and Captain Schettino managed to land himself 16 years in prison because he jumped on on of the first lifeboats to leave the ship.
11 months ago
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>Go back to your ship >NO
11 months ago
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>Go back to your ship >NO
would he still be in jail had he stayed on till the last and acted properly?
11 months ago
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Possibly, but the courts would have been drastically more lenient if he had stayed to supervise the evacuation and been the last man to leave the ship. Even if he was found criminally responsible, he might've been given just a few months' imprisonment or just a suspended sentence.
William Turner who was Captain of the Lusitania, had charges brought up against him by the British Admiralty (at Winston Churchill's personal insistence) that he had ignored submarine warnings and failed to take necessary precautions, but the charges against him were squashed. Very likely because he had remained at the Bridge, directing the evacuation, until water rushed in and he was quite literally thrown from the ship. He didn't even make it into a lifeboat, he was found unconscious clutching a deck chair by a fishing trawler hours after the sinking.
11 months ago
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Yes, people forget they sank because he decided to go off course to get closer to the island for its drive by
11 months ago
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They plotted a deviation to perform a "salute", which in and of itself is not a problem. It's that they erred when doing it and when investigators take in the circumstances around the incident then one wonders if that same error would have occured with different leadership. I mean, it's not gonna be "oops I fricked up the numbers shit happens". These are (almost) white men so there will be responsiblity and consequences.
11 months ago
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>greasy, slimy wop coward with a mistress vs. based hard man doing his duty
literally a war for the spiritual heart of the Italian man taking place over the phone
11 months ago
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I completle forgot 30 people died, I thought it was deathless
11 months ago
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No, you're probably mistaking it with the Oceania, which was EVEN WORSE, and yet, somehow, all 571 people onboard were saved, largely thanks to the efforts of the ship's band, who took command and organized the evacuation of the ship after the captain and his officers jumped into the first lifeboat and fled.
It also gave us some of the best footage of a sinking ever caught on camera.
11 months ago
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>the captain and his officers jumped into the first lifeboat and fled.
What pussies. I would have Holdo'd that listing b***h at ramming speed into the black heart of the nearest typhoon just on principle.
11 months ago
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>taking a cruise on a 30-year old mid 20th century cruise ship out of South Africa on a Greek-owned cruise line
I do not understand why people ever did these things. I don't know how the industry stays in business or indeed ever had a business. I can only surmise that there is a certain class of married people who enjoy them despite the stress and inconvenience. Maybe swingers and alcoholics.
11 months ago
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some cruises have concerts tied to them
11 months ago
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never heard of any of these literal /whos
11 months ago
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it's adult daycare. You have every whim catered to and can eat & drink all day included in the price. Pretty easy to see the appeal.
11 months ago
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I wonder if modern cruise liners have enough lifeboats for everyone, especially the luxury ones that have malls and theme parks inside of them plus multiple pools.
11 months ago
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It was a recognized law that they must after Titanic. That's why ships got so much uglier with little boats hanging off them. What happens now though is that once the ship develops a list to one side or the other which is common in disasters, then half the boats quickly become unlaunchable and they're usually impossible to move. When Costa Concordia partially sank onto her starboard side, half the boats were useless.
11 months ago
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>as if he were remotely responsible for his night crew fricking around
I'm not sure if it's a consequence of narcissism or what but no one understands responsibility anymore as a concept and value. I suppose it goes with the death of honor as well but woe be to humanity should the West go the way of eastern communists with blame and face-saving measures.
We live in a world where shit just happens because reasons, power is flexed on us and used against us from all angles, but no one is responsible.
>46k ton ship going 20 knots slams into 75mil ton iceberg >fine
lol no. That ship would have been done for. Like a car slamming into a concrete wall. Might have sunk faster.
No, the Titanic had a reinforced bulkhead and people have determined and done tests that she would have survived most likely in a head on collision. The problem is that nobody in their right mind would have taken that decision. Smith and the rest of the crew would be crucified beyond belief for damaging the Titanic on her maiden voyage and killing and injuring hundreds of people. They wouldn't have the foresight to think "oh, the alternative would be worse, we've seen that timeline". No, they'll say Smith was a moron who should have dodged the iceberg and instead killed a plethora of people.
There's also the fact that genetically speaking we are predisposed to get out of harms way even if the alternative is sometimes much worse. It's a self-defense mechanism.
Tbf, I thought Philips was actually talking crap, but it turns out that was common shitposting, like we do here on this board, between these operator guys. This guy explains it well:
Feel bad for that dude. Went to sleep around what, 11pm? Three hours later he was drowning in the name of some misguided notion of honor as if he were remotely responsible for his night crew fricking around
Smith was moronic though. He is squarely to blame for the disaster (if we exclude all the natural shit and bad luck). He was warned multiple times he was entering an ice field and despite that he never once took precaution. Titanic was running at almost full speed and the weather, being very tricky, obscured the icebergs around because it was so clear and calm. By the time Fleet and Lee could see the iceberg, it was too late to dodge it.
Real talk though, even if Evans had still been awake and received Titanic's distress call, the Californian still wouldn't have made much of a difference. The ship was 20 nautical miles away and could only do 12 knots in optimal conditions so it still would have taken two hours or more to reach Titanic.
>but what does all this mean
Titanic went down in two hours and 40 minutes. Meaning that at best, the Californian would have arrived just in time to watch the ship break in two. You'd still have 1,500 people in the water you have maybe ten minutes to pull them out before you start pulling corpses abroad instead.
People harp on the Californian because Stanley Lord was simply that easy to vilify.
>Real talk though, even if Evans had still been awake
No it wasn't. It was maximum 10 miles ahead. Californian could see the Titanic flares and Titanic could see lights coming from the Californian. People have analyzed this and some people think it was between 6-8 miles away from the Titanic at the time of the sinking with the maximum being 10 miles.
Murdoch would have been fricking crucified by a Board of Inquiry even harder than he would have if he had survived the sinking.
>WHAT YOU MEAN YOU JUST RAMMED THE ICEBERG HEAD-ON AND MADE NO ATTEMPT TO STEAR CLEAR?! >Well I was afraid that if I attempted to steer clear, the ship would hit anyway and somehow manage to breach five compartments, causing the deaths of 1,500 people. I'm actually the hero here!
This “the ship wouldn’t have sunk if they just rammed it” meme is my least favorite reddit pseudo-intellectual nonsense that’s always brought up during titanic discussions.
Can't tell if bait or if you genuinely don't know that founder works in this sense as a verb. If it's the latter, I'm sure you'll play it off as the former, so I guess it doesn't matter
Here's what Rush said about their monitoring system:
Pogue: How many backup systems do you have for the thing collapsing?
Rush: So the key on that one is, we have an acoustic monitoring system. Carbon fiber makes noise. There're millions of fibers there. [...] It makes noise, and it crackles. When the first time you pressurize it, if you think about it, of those million fibers, a couple of 'em are sorta weak. They shouldn't have made the team. And when it gets pressurized, they snap, and they make a noise. The first time you get to, say, 1,000 meters, it will make a whole bunch of noise. And then you back off, and it won't make any noise until you exceed the last maximum [depth]. And so when, the first time we took it to full pressure, it made a bunch of noise. The second time, it made very little noise.
Pogue: Could you get three hours back to the surface in time [after the system provides an alert]?
Rush: Yes. Yes, 'cause what happens is once you stop going down, the pressure, now it's easier. You just have to stop your descent.
>And when it gets pressurized, they snap, and they make a noise. The first time you get to, say, 1,000 meters, it will make a whole bunch of noise. And then you back off, and it won't make any noise until you exceed the last maximum [depth]. And so when, the first time we took it to full pressure, it made a bunch of noise. The second time, it made very little noise.
I would've lost all confidence if I heard this sort of prattling.
There is speculation that they knew something was wrong concerning structural integrity and were aborting the mission when it imploded. It's unclear what that felt like onboard in the moments leading up to implosion since it's literally just a tube with one tiny window on one end and a gay with ps4 controller and dual monitors on the other end.
In other words, we don't know if a siren goes off or if clippy just appears on the guy's screen and says the gay carbon fiber hull is failing oh shit oh frick we're all dead BSOD. The last words on board Challenger were "Uh oh." followed by what may have been several minutes of terror or several minutes of being blacked-out due to losing consciousness. We don't know when their "Uh oh." moment was at this point. Mercifully, there was nothing after the actual vehicle failure unlike Challenger.
Yes, this gay cloth hulled sub had a flaw that worsened over time. The moron suicidal CEO dismissed it's death sounds as a normal feature, in fact. Challenger was not fatally flawed and certainly not doing shit this guy was. NASA was just cheap and it bit them on the ass during a launch involving extreme conditions.
>Challenger was not fatally flawed
But there you would be wrong. There's a good reason the space shuttle program was retired, and that was that the entire premise of the vehicle was fatally flawed. In fact, despite requiring nearly a billion dollars for service before every launch, a third of the fleet was lost in disasters, claiming the lives of 14 people.
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>rocket gay >probably from some third world shithole
"a third of the fleet" is two orbiters, numbnuts. And both times loss of life can be attributed to decisions at NASA, not the design of the shuttle. A replacement platform - as their are always next-gen platforms - was devised but the shuttle program was ended for what is ultimately political reasons. Regardless, it's an inherently risky endeavor thats made needlessly more risky due to compromises not related to design or engineering requirements.
In the case of OceanGate the CEO was moronic and/or suicidal and was making intentional unsound engineering decisions. NASA was ignoring what they didn't want to hear because it was politically / bureaucratically in convenient.
Depends on if the shoddy security measures worked (basically just a warning the integrity of the carbon hull was failing). At best, they would have had a warning something was wrong potentially minutes, but more likely a fraction of second, before the implosion.
The implosion itself would have killed them so quickly they wouldn't have felt anything.
I feel like I would’ve survived the sub accident
You always hear about those 1 in a million odds where people drive off a cliff and had 0.0000001% chance to survive but they miraculously did. Well I feel like I’m that guy. There’s no real stats to back this up, I just know I’ve always been built different. Perhaps the implosion would’ve left me an air bubble while I slowly floated to the top. Or I escape just in time through a crease and swim up quickly.
In other words, I just feel like my odds, personally, would’ve been different.
There's a 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% chance every atom in your body would just happen to quantum tunnel onto the boat at the last second.
there would have been no blood
when explosive decompression of that level happens, it creates a temperature hotter than the surface of the sun, you fat turns to ash before your brain can even register you're burning
>everything is intact apart from the carbon fibre bit >apart from the carbon fibre bit
Ah yes, only missing the carbon fiber bit, the very bit that was not structurally sound enough to be the pressure bearing material that failed and imploded on them, that carbon fiber bit?
every single source and news outlet says that the only parts of the sub that were titanium were the hubs on either end of it, the cylinder itself was 100% carbon fiber
* correction watch this one instead. This is the real-time animation that gives you proper context for the timeframe involved. The other is just edited and condensed in a gay way and might as well be the movie.
>We've gotta save those people on the Titanic, how soon can we get there? >I can't tell >You can tell me I'm a sailor >No I mean I just don't know >Can't you take a guess? >Well... not for another four hours >You can't take a guess for another four hours?
>It would appear that Cinemaphile in 2023 is now upwards of 80% non-American >ESLs and moronic anglosphere rejects are flooding containment compartments and spilling over the bulkheads ruining every thread with weak bait and moronic, backwards, third-world banter >No site the relies on "board culture" as heavily as Cinemaphile can survive this >I'm afraid this site will flounder
>>When can we get underway? >... That's five boards. >She can float with four boards breached, but not five. >Not five. As she goes down, the bogwater will spill... >... over the tops of the main banner at Cinemaphile board, one to the next... >...back and back. There's no stopping it. >>The bumps! >The bumps buy you time, but minutes only. >As of now, no matter what we do... >...Cinemaphile will founder.
>>When can we get underway? >... That's five boards. >She can float with four boards breached, but not five. >Not five. As she goes down, the bogwater will spill... >... over the tops of the main banner at Cinemaphile board, one to the next... >...back and back. There's no stopping it. >>The bumps! >The bumps buy you time, but minutes only. >As of now, no matter what we do... >...Cinemaphile will founder.
>Captain Smith: And how many Irish aboard Mr. Murdoch? >Officer Murdoch: 110 out of 2,200 souls on board sir >Captain Smith: From this moment no matter what we do, Titanic will founder >Thomas Andrews: But this ship can't sink! >Captain Smith: She's made by Irishmen sir! I assure you she can! And she will. It is a mathematical certainty. >Thomas Andrews: I have built you a good ship, strong and tru- >Captain Smith: HARD TO STARBOARD
Imagine being the dude on wi-fi who told California to frick off because you were too busy sending messages about poker games and other meaningless bullshit
The irl dude was a good sport. Accurately predicted how long it would take for the ship to sink, and aided as many people to safety as he could, before choosing to go down with it.
Him and the cook were chads.
>get loaded >throw deck chairs overboard >literally the last real person on the ship before it went completely under >swims around for 2 hours >too loaded to feel the water >worst thing that happens to him is a swollen foot
best thing about the cook is he was the last to go down with the ship vertically and still managed to survive despite spending hours half submerged like jack in the movie
the kitchen training kicked in, I can only image what it must've been like to provide meals for thousands of people around the clock
I love how he never actually says anything to Rose or Jack but he's just there because it's historically accurate, he just looks at Rose like "I don't know what the frick to do either" for a moment when they're hanging on to the rail
best thing about the cook is he was the last to go down with the ship vertically and still managed to survive despite spending hours half submerged like jack in the movie
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the kitchen training kicked in, I can only image what it must've been like to provide meals for thousands of people around the clock
Can we get a Charles Lightoller in this b***h. homie survived the Titanic, another ship sinking and Dunkirk.
Yeah, if I'm not mistaken he credited the survival to a strong belief in God. He also swam quite a bit on the Titanic since he was on the opposite end of the ship right where the water was coming from.
Not to mention he did go down with Titanic, was pulled under by the suction, pinned to a grate. But a fortunate explosion below decks shot a blast of air upward and flung him back to the surface, where he found and took command of an upturned collapsible lifeboat and kept order and calm until the Carpathia arrived.
Dude also fended off a German airship in WWI by firing rocket flares at it.
And of course, as another anon mentioned, Dunkirk, during his retirement, with his private fishing vessel.
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Didn't the 2 d half of titanic implode? Maybe that was what pushed him up.
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>Didn't the 2 d half of titanic implode? Maybe that was what pushed him up.
Bow half of Titanic remained fairly intact because it was a hydronamic shape that cut through the water until hitting the bottom and embedding in the sand, where you can see it buckles slightly. 6 pts for being half a ship but still managing to stick a landing somewhat despite that. >6/10
Aft section is not designed to be half a ship or do anything underwater but fail so it literally just spins uncontrolled during its descent as water blows out the insides and rips through the hull plating. It's a total unrecognizable mess by the time it hits the bottom but does manage to remain upright, which is why I award it 1 point. >1/10
Not to mention he did go down with Titanic, was pulled under by the suction, pinned to a grate. But a fortunate explosion below decks shot a blast of air upward and flung him back to the surface, where he found and took command of an upturned collapsible lifeboat and kept order and calm until the Carpathia arrived.
Dude also fended off a German airship in WWI by firing rocket flares at it.
And of course, as another anon mentioned, Dunkirk, during his retirement, with his private fishing vessel.
>get loaded >throw deck chairs overboard >literally the last real person on the ship before it went completely under >swims around for 2 hours >too loaded to feel the water >worst thing that happens to him is a swollen foot
best thing about the cook is he was the last to go down with the ship vertically and still managed to survive despite spending hours half submerged like jack in the movie
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the kitchen training kicked in, I can only image what it must've been like to provide meals for thousands of people around the clock
Not to mention he did go down with Titanic, was pulled under by the suction, pinned to a grate. But a fortunate explosion below decks shot a blast of air upward and flung him back to the surface, where he found and took command of an upturned collapsible lifeboat and kept order and calm until the Carpathia arrived.
Dude also fended off a German airship in WWI by firing rocket flares at it.
And of course, as another anon mentioned, Dunkirk, during his retirement, with his private fishing vessel.
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In hindsight the scots on board were probably all drunk as frick too, so they should've survived at a higher rate than the english, the rats (mice), and the rats (irish)
>Joughin joined Chief Officer Henry Tingle Wilde by Lifeboat 10. Joughin helped, with stewards and other seamen, the ladies and children through to the lifeboat, although, after a while, the women on deck ran away from the boat saying they were safer aboard the Titanic. The Chief Baker then went on to A Deck and forcibly brought up women and children, throwing them into the lifeboat.[2]
best thing about the cook is he was the last to go down with the ship vertically and still managed to survive despite spending hours half submerged like jack in the movie
iirc this wasn't sunk in very deep water but the ship was upside down or something
they were looking for the bodies and didnt realize dude was alive
its very easy to get lost in a sunk ship like that and drown
>Accurately predicted how long it would take for the ship to sink
Wrong, Andrews predicted the Titanic had two hours to live. It sank at two hours and 40 minutes.
He hadn't factored in the heroic efforts of the engineering crew who kept the power (and thus the pumps) on until the ship literally started to come apart around them. They bought Titanic nearly another hour of life and saved hundreds of people still boarding the last lifeboats who would have otherwise gone down with the ship.
These guys didn't even have the opportunity to go into the water to freeze to death, they were trapped within the bowels of the ship and all either drowned or were killed when the air pockets in the stern imploded.
The irl dude was a good sport. Accurately predicted how long it would take for the ship to sink, and aided as many people to safety as he could, before choosing to go down with it.
Him and the cook were chads.
>get loaded >throw deck chairs overboard >literally the last real person on the ship before it went completely under >swims around for 2 hours >too loaded to feel the water >worst thing that happens to him is a swollen foot
Not to mention he did go down with Titanic, was pulled under by the suction, pinned to a grate. But a fortunate explosion below decks shot a blast of air upward and flung him back to the surface, where he found and took command of an upturned collapsible lifeboat and kept order and calm until the Carpathia arrived.
Dude also fended off a German airship in WWI by firing rocket flares at it.
And of course, as another anon mentioned, Dunkirk, during his retirement, with his private fishing vessel.
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His wife's name was Anne Eleanor Ripley, aka Ellen Ripley, the sole survivor of the Nostromo. Of course he was a chad. His wife spaced an Ayy Lmao for frick's sake. Life imitates art or some shit.
>Titanic's on-duty wireless operator, Jack Phillips, was busy clearing a backlog of passengers' trivial messages with the wireless station at Cape Race, Newfoundland, 800 miles (1,300 km) away, at the time. Evans's message that SS Californian was stopped and surrounded by ice was heard very strongly on Titanic due to the relative proximity of the two ships and drowned out a separate message Phillips had been in the process of receiving from Cape Race, bringing Phillips to rebuke Evans: "Shut up, shut up! I am busy; I am working Cape Race!". >A little bit later Evans, feeling that he had done his duty despite Philips's rude rejection of the message, switched off his wireless equipment and went to bed. One hour and 10 minutes later, at 23:40, Titanic hit an iceberg. Shortly after midnight, she transmitted her first distress call.
T. Doesn't know the historical context between telegraph opperator short-hand
Shut up was straight up just common shorthand at the time and only a normie who wasnt a telegraph opperator would consider it rude.
The true fact is that EVERYONE would have died without Philips.
The radio had burnt out the day before and the contracts with marconi at the time forbade anyone 'unlicensed' to repair them.
Philips said "frick that" and spent 13 hours rebuilding the entire system and got the radio working again TWO HOURS before the strike.
If that homie had taken a nap or had a jerk off break noone would have survived but because normies didn't understand the 'board culture' of telegraph men he's been shit on
Real talk though, even if Evans had still been awake and received Titanic's distress call, the Californian still wouldn't have made much of a difference. The ship was 20 nautical miles away and could only do 12 knots in optimal conditions so it still would have taken two hours or more to reach Titanic.
>but what does all this mean
Titanic went down in two hours and 40 minutes. Meaning that at best, the Californian would have arrived just in time to watch the ship break in two. You'd still have 1,500 people in the water you have maybe ten minutes to pull them out before you start pulling corpses abroad instead.
People harp on the Californian because Stanley Lord was simply that easy to vilify.
>You'd still have 1,500 people in the water you have maybe ten minutes to pull them out before you start pulling corpses abroad instead.
That's still better than what actually happened.
Shoot... not even 2 hours. When californian found out in the morning that there was an emergency, it still took them 4 hours to get to the site, and that's with the daylight to see and dodge the icebergs while going full speed. They wouldn't have made it on time even if they responded immediately
>Real talk though, even if Evans had still been awake and received Titanic's distress call, the Californian still wouldn't have made much of a difference. The ship was 20 nautical miles away and could only do 12 knots in optimal conditions so it still would have taken two hours or more to reach Titanic.
They were within visual distance, meaning both ships could see each other the whole time. That has huge implications for survivability when it comes to human psychology.
The story had it's hero in the Captain of the Carpathia regardless and the industry got their regulations including 24/7 Marconi wireless duty officers. There's only so much that can gained from second-guessing decisions like that, especially when human factors are involved. Tragedies have to happen to force solutions. Why do you think people are dropping dead from heart issues?
TFW if they didn’t notice the berg at all would have stayed afloat. Krauts accidentally hit on straight on w similar ship, crumpled the bow catastrophically but the ship did not sink.
It was that ineffective evasive maneuver that directly doomed titanic. The banking angle had the weak points of the bulge compartments catch edgewise. Essentially the fail evading gave the ice penetrative qualities it would never have had even at sharp edges if it were hit straight on.
Also these ocean liner companies really were spergs about speed over all. The luxury aspect was all ad bullshit but the company wanted to outcompete on time for the trip to take, that pushed increasingly w better tech combined w analogue lookout tech stagnation meant shit was bound to go fricky. Man, insane to imagine upwards of 2,000 people slowly realizing vast majority of them are completely frick in a really unnerving situation meets alien arctic open ocean environment. Crazy how safe we have it w planes overall now
>It was that ineffective evasive maneuver that directly doomed titanic.
No and there will never be a sure way of knowing this. Also you are asking the officers of the Titanic to abandon their knowledge of "avoid anything" in training to "ram this iceberg and see what happens lol". The Titanic was built with rivets not welded. That shit would had buckled under the kinetic damage. Who knows what damage it could had done or lack of. >Krauts accidentally hit on straight on w similar ship
It wasn't a similar ship. Titanic was far far bigger. A true of on her kind. The only comparison you can make is to her sister ships. That's it. It's like comparing a corolla to an ferrari. Yes they are both cars much like the SS Kronprinz Wilhelm and the Titanic were oceanliners but that's where the comparison stops.
It's a fricking tragedy how her sister ships were left to rust in Chesapeake Bay for 20 years before being sent to the cutter's torch. WWII was already underway and they didn't even bother using them as troopships.
They were two of the last three four-funneled liners (only the Aquatania outlived them).
He also probably didn't anticipate it breaking, or he would've pointed that out. The breaking alone probably stretched the actual time of sinking another few minutes than if it had gone down in one piece.
post credit scene shows the stern drifting past Fontaine Fisheries and then TITANIC 2: RAPTURE flashes across the screen and pajeets start setting off fireworks in the theater
it's in bad taste to run ads on airings of this film so close to the sub tragedy
it's ok though, i saved you the embarrassment and emailed all the advertisers on paramount network and paramount+ 🙂
>Rose Dawson-Calvert
she never told her husband what the frick Dawson meant or why she wanted to keep it as part of her last name when they got married
Women are fricking despicable. My cheating prostitute of an exwife kept my last name because it's more special (family name, so less than 250 people has it) than her own which is one of the most last names in my country.
On the subject of Summer, the Atlantic is still freezing cold even then. The Bismarck's only voyage was in late May, 1941 and nearly all of the crew still wound up freezing to death in the water much like the Titanic's (112 men were rescued by British destroyers before they were forced to abandon the rest after a U-Boat sighting). Although around six men somehow managed to survive in the water overnight and were rescued by German ships.
That kind of gore usually isn't all that interesting when it's in the morgue. It stops being recognizable and just looks like mangled beef. It's only compelling when it's fresh gibs and they're scraping it off the pavement still moist like the parts to that girl who wrecked her daddy's Porsche convertible.
I'm guessing this is just some trapped parts that got blown into corners and embedded in crevices in the subs interior. Plane crashes and events like 9/11 had people reduced to fragments of bone. I'm guess most of them became a red cloud of fish food.
That kind of gore usually isn't all that interesting when it's in the morgue. It stops being recognizable and just looks like mangled beef. It's only compelling when it's fresh gibs and they're scraping it off the pavement still moist like the parts to that girl who wrecked her daddy's Porsche convertible.
I'm guessing this is just some trapped parts that got blown into corners and embedded in crevices in the subs interior. Plane crashes and events like 9/11 had people reduced to fragments of bone. I'm guess most of them became a red cloud of fish food.
It's nit about how it looks like, it's more about the context of it.
Imagine a full size human compacted and turned into just flesh and blood is gruesome and morbid.
Imagine a car with 5 people getting squashed and compacted into the size of a ikea storage box, might have found a foot, a toe, a penis, frick knows, crabs may have even picked all the gooey bits clean leaving just random bones.
Ok Cinemaphile, I watched this again for the first time in 20 years and it's even better than I remembered holy frick this is unironically THE BEST MOVIE OF THE 20TH CENTURY. JAMES CAMARON YOU DOG, YOU DID IT!
It became popular to dump on it for a while and I don't know why. The character writing is sometimes a little off and the dialogue can be corny, but it's a fricking technical marvel.
That sweet spot of the late 1990s and early 2000s when great CGI was applied with care and people still used practical sets and models to create convincing effects. Titanic, Gladiator, Lord of the Rings, the early Harry Potters, Jurassic Park are all GOATed blockbusters for a reason
>It became popular to dump on it for a while and I don't know why.
It was the biggest movie in the world and sort of became like Frozen for teenage and adult women including insipid hit song. So despite being a perfectly watchable disaster movie, it's still dismissed as a chick flick despite being nothing of the sort by modern standards. In fact, Rose is so much of a redpill I imagine the movie is recommended by MRA's.
>It became popular to dump on it for a while and I don't know why.
It was the biggest movie in the world and sort of became like Frozen for teenage and adult women including insipid hit song. So despite being a perfectly watchable disaster movie, it's still dismissed as a chick flick despite being nothing of the sort by modern standards. In fact, Rose is so much of a redpill I imagine the movie is recommended by MRA's.
Cuckolds and /misc/cel chinless contrarians that cry about "muh chick flick Romance" and "muh Jack and Rose weren't even real!" have to understand that the love story is the only way James Cameron could show off everything in less than 3 hours, from the submarine, the 1st class, 3rd class, the cargo hold, the sinking from a survivor's POV, the rescue etc.
Without Jack and Rose the movie has no cohesiveness, it would be just a high budget documentary with zero staying power.
>if you've developed an autistic interest in shipwrecks then this dude's channel is perfect. This video in particular is great.
cuts to facegayging as if his unpleasant zoomer baby face is relevant and adds to a mini-doc about ships sinking. Seriously frick off with your narcissism I don't care what you look like it's not my problem that you're trying to meet women i hate youtubers so much it's unreal
This is probably a stupid question, but would Rose really have survived long enough to be rescued? Even though she's floating on a broken door, the air itself is freezing cold and she'd already spent 5-10 minutes in the water by the point.
I've always had my doubts about her prospects of survival because most of the survivors in Collapsible A died despite having gotten out of the water. Hell, Russian soldiers in Ukraine were dropping dead from the cold before snow had even begun to fall, the drop in ambient temperature proved that lethal.
Personally I've got the metabolism of Wim Hof, (that Dutch homosexual who freezes himself in ice and shit), and I'm certain I'd survive. I think some of that shit comes down to genetic lottery. The same reason you measure lethality of poisons in probability, (LD50 = Lethal Does of 50% of test subjects). It's a bell curve, like Black person IQ.
Not only do I like the cold, but as far as I can tell I'm impervious to anything above zero degrees Celsius, and highly resistant for prolonged periods at least ten degrees below that. I actually worry about getting frost bite or something because I don't think I'd even notice if the temperature was dangerous. Noticeably, when I was in the Army after working in the rain my uniform would dry on my body quickly and long before anyone else's. I pay for it on the other end though because temperatures above about twenty degrees are like the Seventh Circle of Hell.
I've read about sailors going overboard in cold water and fraction surviving while others simply succumb to the cold almost immediately. There was some gay who was the lone survivor in a situation like that, swam tens of miles in freezing water to shore, and then just walked tens more miles home. His wife is like WTF dude? And he's like Honey Badger doesn't give a frick.
James Cameron tested the survivability of Jack and Rose recently.
Though it's mostly about if there's a way for Jack to survive, the answer to your question is that Rose could survive as portrayed in the movie. She apparently had enough layers of clothes on to keep her core warm enough to not die.
you crushed/tore the egg, anon, not cut. as mentioned by someone else, the titanic was like, 50,000 tons, and the iceberg was like, 75 million tons.
its like...you, a human, being made of flesh and bone, verse a sheet of tin foil. you cant cut it, but i dont think its stopping your finger pushing a hole into it.
It didn't, the impact deformed the steel plating to the point where the rivets just popped out, allowing water to enter.
What doomed the ship was the fact that it scraped the iceberg long enough that it popped the rivets out in five compartments, one more than the ship could have theoretically survived.
>30 seconds of deafening test pattern
It was worth it being exposed to that frequently for greatest gen still being around, gas being .99 cents / gallon and reality basically making sense
Doing it wrong. Since the sub implosion is the media distraction, you need to talk about how fast that imploded in relation to Hunter Biden and his corrupt dealings with "The Big Guy" Joe.
>"This can't be! Now the federal reserve will be approved without opposition!"
What was Cameron's reasoning for editing this line from an extra out during post?
>"Titan will founder."
Fixed it for you
>we'll find the Titan
Did Titan have a black box or onboard camera? If it did and assuming it survived, then we might actually just have footage/audio recording of the moment these guys died.
>1 microsecond
Imagine if it turned into the Event Horizon death cult orgy of fricking eye sockets in that one microsecond? Grim
It did have an onboard camera but I don't think it survived. Guess it remains to be seen.
If there is any footage, it's unlikely they'll release it to the public, due to its graphic nature.
>If there is any footage, it's unlikely they'll release it to the public, due to its graphic nature.
It's likely not capturing at a framerate nearly fast enough to capture anything, unless there was panic in the moments prior as they are hearing the carbon fiber begin to fail. I think it was that Japanese plane crash where someone was filming with a 35mm camera at the moment of impact and there is like one frame of footage that shows what is believed to be fluid splashed on the windshield as the plane impacts the ground.
Then there is the high res footage of that woman plane stunt artist "wing walker" lady who impacted the ground and you can see her body getting crushed and face deforming but that is a rare event due to the circumstances. It's not like gopro car accident footage.
Nah it will leak through the numerous maritime, medical and scientific research institutions.
It's very rare to have an actual video of humans getting turned into paste underwater.
i'm surprised the nazis or japanese never tried it.
I believe you may get your headlines, Mr. Rush.
What's up with his tea-stained mustache throughout the movie?
>they never even got to Titanic
>signing/tagging "memes"
Cringe third world behavior. Inviting Europeans to the internet was a mistake.
Should have just slowed the Titanic and rammed the iceberg.
Worst case scenario they'll lose a couple of hundreds of passengers where the iceberg will squash the steel hull but nonetheless everyone else will survive and the Titanic won't sink.
it takes a really long time to stop a boat and they didn't see it until it was like half a mile out because of Rose and Jack making out
Anon is referring to the theory that if they hadn't turned and caused the iceberg to scrape and flood many compartments throughout the ship and instead had just rammed it head on it wouldn't have sunk because then it would have flooded just the forward 2-3 compartments and the Titanic was designed to survive with at least 4 compartments flooded
It would have been better if they just didn't shut off the main engine, if they left it on the ship could have turned enough to miss the berg
>Should have just slowed the Titanic and rammed the iceberg.
>
>Worst case scenario they'll lose a couple of hundreds of passengers where the iceberg will squash the steel hull but nonetheless everyone else will survive and the Titanic won't sink.
There's a 0% chance anyone would have made that call, though. Ramming a thing head-on as opposed to grazing it with your side is pretty counter-intuitive. To make it worse, you'd be the guy who chose to ram an iceberg with your ship that was designed to survive the thing you avoided doing, that would have "saved lives".
Hindsight is 20/20 and while it doesn't get much more high profile then Titanic, generally you need shit like this to happen so changes and improvements occur.
Like the other anon said, it's counter-intuitive, but there's also the fact that they saw the iceberg too late, due to a combination of factors, the most ironic of which is that the crew member who had the keys to the room with the binoculars never boarded the Titanic.
Had they seen it just a few moments earlier, the entire thing could've been averted.
Once the alarm was raised, they acted very quickly.
The Titanic is just a series of small misfortunes leading up to a big one.
The binoculars could've singlehandedly saved the ship.
Is this evidence of a time traveler meddling with the past? Maybe we're in the "Better" timeline because the Titanic sank.
Every now and then, people just have seriously shitty luck
www.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unusual_deaths
>Welsh mathematician and GCHQ spy Gareth Williams, 31, was found dead and naked in a bag that had been padlocked from the outside, in the bath of his home in Central London.[336] The inquest found his death was likely criminal, although a Metropolitan Police investigation later found that it was likely an accident.[337]
There was a guy who was in both Hiroshima and Nagasaki too.
JP Morgan owned white star line so it probably has something to do with that
>Is this evidence of a time traveler meddling with the past? Maybe we're in the "Better" timeline because the Titanic sank.
I'm from a different timeline and have distinct memories of the captain surviving and living his remaining years miserable and despised. There is definitely some time travel frickery around these important events.
You probably just confused him with the chairman, who DID live and was summarily publicly despised for the rest of his life
> and was summarily publicly despised for the rest of his life
By people who don't know the whole story
>am I remembering things wrong because I don't have a flawless photographic memory? No,.it must be time travel
Convincing yourself that the entire fabric of reality has changed because you couldn't remember a detail about a historical event that happened 111 years ago is main character syndrome on fricking steroids
It's not that I can't remember it, it's that I remember it distinctly differently. That is consistent with this being a different timeline, a corrupted one where the girl I had sex with's great great great grandmother was onboard Titanic
>it's that I remember it distinctly differently. That is consistent with this being a different timeline
>I remember it
Alright I didn't mean to be so harsh on you before but here's your problem, assuming that the way your brain is wired reflects the fabric of reality itself and how everyone else experiences the event
Oh I get it. I don't mean to imply everyone else is wrong-brained but if the woman I love and was meant to be with got erased from existence because her great great great grandmother is somehow tied to the captain surviving, you know how it would be hard to shake that this reality is "wrong".
Is this a hypothetical or something that you consider has happened? I'm interested
It's like an echo and a haunting sense that this isn't right and you sort of hone that into more specificity by being exposed to triggering events or imagery. I did not physically teleport to a different reality and I still have memories and lots of evidence for things always being this way and none for them being any other way but the older I get and the more I get triggered the more I "remember" which I think is just me tuning-in to whatever is happening in the meta reality or quantum whatever that is trying to repair this damage. Someone like me may not be that close to key pivotal events, I think I'm probably kind of far away in the butterfly effect of causality, but in robbed me of my waifu nonetheless. I don't think the people who did this were interested in the consequences because assuming they did it for selfish reasons I can only imagine the hell that they experience as the universe rallies against them to Quantum Leap their frickery every hour of their existence.
Wait really, they had only one pair of binoculars? And they locked the room with them?
Yup.
>David Blair (or Davy) (11 November 1874 – 10 January 1955) was a British merchant seaman with the White Star Line, which had reassigned him from the RMS Titanic just before its maiden voyage. Due to his hasty departure, he accidentally kept a key to a storage locker believed to contain the binoculars intended for use by the crow's nest lookout. The absence of any binoculars within the crow's nest is believed to be one of the main contributory factors in the Titanic’s ultimate demise.
R.I.P. You magnificent bastard
>David Blair (or Davy)
>kept a key to a storage locker
Davy's locker sunk the Titanic.
You can't make that up.
That's Davy Jones not David Blair.
Close enough
Why would the Monkees do this?
They were a fake band anyway so why not?
>Aye aye Captain, good night.
>... Is he gone? Alright let's slow the frick down, we can't see anything.
>"But the captain sai-"
>I'm in charge here.
Captain Smith didn't go to bed. Instead he went to the boiler room to personally help shoveling coal into the furnaces.
What they should’ve done is not turned into the iceberg and gotten a half mile closer before turning away.
Lightoller told his grandaughter what happened. The helmsman turned into the iceberg.
https://abcnews.go.com/International/titanic-sank-crews-steering-mistake-granddaughter-surviving-officer/story?id=11701578
>Lightoller told his grandaughter what happened. The helmsman turned into the iceberg.
Lightholler wasn't on the bridge when the collision took place. It was a First Officer Murdoch, Sixth Officer Moody, and Quartermaster Robert Hichens who were on duty. Murdoch and Moody both died in the sinking so the only living witness to the events on the Bridge was Hichens.
He was told by Smith and Murdoch what happened.
Smith was asleep when the collision happened so that's still third-hand knowledge at best.
Feel bad for that dude. Went to sleep around what, 11pm? Three hours later he was drowning in the name of some misguided notion of honor as if he were remotely responsible for his night crew fricking around
To be fair, if he survived, he would have been crucified by the media, likely criminally charged.
Only 30 people died on the Costa Concordia and Captain Schettino managed to land himself 16 years in prison because he jumped on on of the first lifeboats to leave the ship.
>Go back to your ship
>NO
would he still be in jail had he stayed on till the last and acted properly?
Possibly, but the courts would have been drastically more lenient if he had stayed to supervise the evacuation and been the last man to leave the ship. Even if he was found criminally responsible, he might've been given just a few months' imprisonment or just a suspended sentence.
William Turner who was Captain of the Lusitania, had charges brought up against him by the British Admiralty (at Winston Churchill's personal insistence) that he had ignored submarine warnings and failed to take necessary precautions, but the charges against him were squashed. Very likely because he had remained at the Bridge, directing the evacuation, until water rushed in and he was quite literally thrown from the ship. He didn't even make it into a lifeboat, he was found unconscious clutching a deck chair by a fishing trawler hours after the sinking.
Yes, people forget they sank because he decided to go off course to get closer to the island for its drive by
They plotted a deviation to perform a "salute", which in and of itself is not a problem. It's that they erred when doing it and when investigators take in the circumstances around the incident then one wonders if that same error would have occured with different leadership. I mean, it's not gonna be "oops I fricked up the numbers shit happens". These are (almost) white men so there will be responsiblity and consequences.
>greasy, slimy wop coward with a mistress vs. based hard man doing his duty
literally a war for the spiritual heart of the Italian man taking place over the phone
I completle forgot 30 people died, I thought it was deathless
No, you're probably mistaking it with the Oceania, which was EVEN WORSE, and yet, somehow, all 571 people onboard were saved, largely thanks to the efforts of the ship's band, who took command and organized the evacuation of the ship after the captain and his officers jumped into the first lifeboat and fled.
It also gave us some of the best footage of a sinking ever caught on camera.
>the captain and his officers jumped into the first lifeboat and fled.
What pussies. I would have Holdo'd that listing b***h at ramming speed into the black heart of the nearest typhoon just on principle.
>taking a cruise on a 30-year old mid 20th century cruise ship out of South Africa on a Greek-owned cruise line
I do not understand why people ever did these things. I don't know how the industry stays in business or indeed ever had a business. I can only surmise that there is a certain class of married people who enjoy them despite the stress and inconvenience. Maybe swingers and alcoholics.
some cruises have concerts tied to them
never heard of any of these literal /whos
it's adult daycare. You have every whim catered to and can eat & drink all day included in the price. Pretty easy to see the appeal.
I wonder if modern cruise liners have enough lifeboats for everyone, especially the luxury ones that have malls and theme parks inside of them plus multiple pools.
It was a recognized law that they must after Titanic. That's why ships got so much uglier with little boats hanging off them. What happens now though is that once the ship develops a list to one side or the other which is common in disasters, then half the boats quickly become unlaunchable and they're usually impossible to move. When Costa Concordia partially sank onto her starboard side, half the boats were useless.
>as if he were remotely responsible for his night crew fricking around
I'm not sure if it's a consequence of narcissism or what but no one understands responsibility anymore as a concept and value. I suppose it goes with the death of honor as well but woe be to humanity should the West go the way of eastern communists with blame and face-saving measures.
We live in a world where shit just happens because reasons, power is flexed on us and used against us from all angles, but no one is responsible.
>46k ton ship going 20 knots slams into 75mil ton iceberg
>fine
lol no. That ship would have been done for. Like a car slamming into a concrete wall. Might have sunk faster.
No, the Titanic had a reinforced bulkhead and people have determined and done tests that she would have survived most likely in a head on collision. The problem is that nobody in their right mind would have taken that decision. Smith and the rest of the crew would be crucified beyond belief for damaging the Titanic on her maiden voyage and killing and injuring hundreds of people. They wouldn't have the foresight to think "oh, the alternative would be worse, we've seen that timeline". No, they'll say Smith was a moron who should have dodged the iceberg and instead killed a plethora of people.
There's also the fact that genetically speaking we are predisposed to get out of harms way even if the alternative is sometimes much worse. It's a self-defense mechanism.
Tbf, I thought Philips was actually talking crap, but it turns out that was common shitposting, like we do here on this board, between these operator guys. This guy explains it well:
Smith was moronic though. He is squarely to blame for the disaster (if we exclude all the natural shit and bad luck). He was warned multiple times he was entering an ice field and despite that he never once took precaution. Titanic was running at almost full speed and the weather, being very tricky, obscured the icebergs around because it was so clear and calm. By the time Fleet and Lee could see the iceberg, it was too late to dodge it.
>Real talk though, even if Evans had still been awake
No it wasn't. It was maximum 10 miles ahead. Californian could see the Titanic flares and Titanic could see lights coming from the Californian. People have analyzed this and some people think it was between 6-8 miles away from the Titanic at the time of the sinking with the maximum being 10 miles.
Murdoch would have been fricking crucified by a Board of Inquiry even harder than he would have if he had survived the sinking.
>WHAT YOU MEAN YOU JUST RAMMED THE ICEBERG HEAD-ON AND MADE NO ATTEMPT TO STEAR CLEAR?!
>Well I was afraid that if I attempted to steer clear, the ship would hit anyway and somehow manage to breach five compartments, causing the deaths of 1,500 people. I'm actually the hero here!
This “the ship wouldn’t have sunk if they just rammed it” meme is my least favorite reddit pseudo-intellectual nonsense that’s always brought up during titanic discussions.
you mean flounder ESL. Founder is someone who starts a company
Can't tell if bait or if you genuinely don't know that founder works in this sense as a verb. If it's the latter, I'm sure you'll play it off as the former, so I guess it doesn't matter
TITAN WILL-ACK-!
WHEN IT'S GOT YA
IT'S GOTCHA
did they have to include the blood
ugh....
Awww did the baby need a trigger warning T__T WAAAAAAAAAAH
Yes.
So, realistically, would you even know anything happened before you died?
no one can tell, apparently it is hard to simulate carbon fiber
OH N-
Could pajunior solve his rubiks cube in that time?
No. Instant death for everyone.
No, but I'm sure they knew something was wrong when their safety system didn't activate
Here's what Rush said about their monitoring system:
Pogue: How many backup systems do you have for the thing collapsing?
Rush: So the key on that one is, we have an acoustic monitoring system. Carbon fiber makes noise. There're millions of fibers there. [...] It makes noise, and it crackles. When the first time you pressurize it, if you think about it, of those million fibers, a couple of 'em are sorta weak. They shouldn't have made the team. And when it gets pressurized, they snap, and they make a noise. The first time you get to, say, 1,000 meters, it will make a whole bunch of noise. And then you back off, and it won't make any noise until you exceed the last maximum [depth]. And so when, the first time we took it to full pressure, it made a bunch of noise. The second time, it made very little noise.
Pogue: Could you get three hours back to the surface in time [after the system provides an alert]?
Rush: Yes. Yes, 'cause what happens is once you stop going down, the pressure, now it's easier. You just have to stop your descent.
>And when it gets pressurized, they snap, and they make a noise. The first time you get to, say, 1,000 meters, it will make a whole bunch of noise. And then you back off, and it won't make any noise until you exceed the last maximum [depth]. And so when, the first time we took it to full pressure, it made a bunch of noise. The second time, it made very little noise.
I would've lost all confidence if I heard this sort of prattling.
Even my know-nothing ass has to beg the question "what about the strain on the fibers that made the team?"
There is speculation that they knew something was wrong concerning structural integrity and were aborting the mission when it imploded. It's unclear what that felt like onboard in the moments leading up to implosion since it's literally just a tube with one tiny window on one end and a gay with ps4 controller and dual monitors on the other end.
In other words, we don't know if a siren goes off or if clippy just appears on the guy's screen and says the gay carbon fiber hull is failing oh shit oh frick we're all dead BSOD. The last words on board Challenger were "Uh oh." followed by what may have been several minutes of terror or several minutes of being blacked-out due to losing consciousness. We don't know when their "Uh oh." moment was at this point. Mercifully, there was nothing after the actual vehicle failure unlike Challenger.
By the way, this sub did more successful trips than Challenger
Yes, this gay cloth hulled sub had a flaw that worsened over time. The moron suicidal CEO dismissed it's death sounds as a normal feature, in fact. Challenger was not fatally flawed and certainly not doing shit this guy was. NASA was just cheap and it bit them on the ass during a launch involving extreme conditions.
>Challenger was not fatally flawed
But there you would be wrong. There's a good reason the space shuttle program was retired, and that was that the entire premise of the vehicle was fatally flawed. In fact, despite requiring nearly a billion dollars for service before every launch, a third of the fleet was lost in disasters, claiming the lives of 14 people.
>rocket gay
>probably from some third world shithole
"a third of the fleet" is two orbiters, numbnuts. And both times loss of life can be attributed to decisions at NASA, not the design of the shuttle. A replacement platform - as their are always next-gen platforms - was devised but the shuttle program was ended for what is ultimately political reasons. Regardless, it's an inherently risky endeavor thats made needlessly more risky due to compromises not related to design or engineering requirements.
In the case of OceanGate the CEO was moronic and/or suicidal and was making intentional unsound engineering decisions. NASA was ignoring what they didn't want to hear because it was politically / bureaucratically in convenient.
Depends on if the shoddy security measures worked (basically just a warning the integrity of the carbon hull was failing). At best, they would have had a warning something was wrong potentially minutes, but more likely a fraction of second, before the implosion.
The implosion itself would have killed them so quickly they wouldn't have felt anything.
I feel like I would’ve survived the sub accident
You always hear about those 1 in a million odds where people drive off a cliff and had 0.0000001% chance to survive but they miraculously did. Well I feel like I’m that guy. There’s no real stats to back this up, I just know I’ve always been built different. Perhaps the implosion would’ve left me an air bubble while I slowly floated to the top. Or I escape just in time through a crease and swim up quickly.
In other words, I just feel like my odds, personally, would’ve been different.
There's a 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% chance every atom in your body would just happen to quantum tunnel onto the boat at the last second.
OK Mark.
there would have been no blood
when explosive decompression of that level happens, it creates a temperature hotter than the surface of the sun, you fat turns to ash before your brain can even register you're burning
They found human remains in the wreckage of the Titan so there's obviously got to be at least something left of them.
What do you mean explosive decompression? It's an implosion
this didn't happen they literally just brought up the wreckage, everything is intact apart from the carbon fibre bit
>everything is intact apart from the carbon fibre bit
>apart from the carbon fibre bit
Ah yes, only missing the carbon fiber bit, the very bit that was not structurally sound enough to be the pressure bearing material that failed and imploded on them, that carbon fiber bit?
you fricking braindead gorilla Black person.
The CEO wanted to die. Same psychology of the guys who wear wing suits, only slightly higher IQ
how tf did they get this footage
Cameraman never dies
The craziest part is that even just at this moment, one frame of the video into the implosion, everyone inside has already been killed.
the thing wouldn't have compressed like that, the entire thing was carbon fiber
Why are you speaking authoritatively about something you know nothing about? It was carbon fiber wrapper around a titanium cylinder.
every single source and news outlet says that the only parts of the sub that were titanium were the hubs on either end of it, the cylinder itself was 100% carbon fiber
Then they are all wrong.
Or perhaps he's wondering why you'd shoot a man after crashing into an iceberg
At least you can talk, who are you?
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is we can get there in 4 hours at full speed
With my help, you get there in 3.
>shoots a guy because someone behind him bumped him forward
what did Mister Murdoch mean by this
>VERY wool
Was sinking the Titanic part of your plan?
goddamn fine i'll rewatch titanic Cinemaphile.
>goddamn fine i'll rewatch titanic Cinemaphile.
Titanic is a movie for women that will turn you gay. Watch a real time sinking instead.
* correction watch this one instead. This is the real-time animation that gives you proper context for the timeframe involved. The other is just edited and condensed in a gay way and might as well be the movie.
but the iceberg cannot win
This ship has three propellers. It's an entirely different kind of sailing. All together.
It's an entirely different kind of sailing.
>"This restaurant will be a titanic success!"
>there is a momen-
>We've gotta save those people on the Titanic, how soon can we get there?
>I can't tell
>You can tell me I'm a sailor
>No I mean I just don't know
>Can't you take a guess?
>Well... not for another four hours
>You can't take a guess for another four hours?
>This woman has to be gotten to a life boat
>A life boat? What is it?
>It's a big boat with people in it, but that's not important
>Jimmy, do you like submarines with men?
>It would appear that Cinemaphile in 2023 is now upwards of 80% non-American
>ESLs and moronic anglosphere rejects are flooding containment compartments and spilling over the bulkheads ruining every thread with weak bait and moronic, backwards, third-world banter
>No site the relies on "board culture" as heavily as Cinemaphile can survive this
>I'm afraid this site will flounder
>>When can we get underway?
>... That's five boards.
>She can float with four boards breached, but not five.
>Not five. As she goes down, the bogwater will spill...
>... over the tops of the main banner at Cinemaphile board, one to the next...
>...back and back. There's no stopping it.
>>The bumps!
>The bumps buy you time, but minutes only.
>As of now, no matter what we do...
>...Cinemaphile will founder.
nice. Based true American.
The best scene of impending doom in the history of cinema
>Captain Smith: And how many Irish aboard Mr. Murdoch?
>Officer Murdoch: 110 out of 2,200 souls on board sir
>Captain Smith: From this moment no matter what we do, Titanic will founder
>Thomas Andrews: But this ship can't sink!
>Captain Smith: She's made by Irishmen sir! I assure you she can! And she will. It is a mathematical certainty.
>Thomas Andrews: I have built you a good ship, strong and tru-
>Captain Smith: HARD TO STARBOARD
Did he overreact?
completely justified
Imagine being the dude on wi-fi who told California to frick off because you were too busy sending messages about poker games and other meaningless bullshit
I've theorized that this exchange could've been the secret reason why the Californian never helped them.
An early version of shitposting gone wrong.
qrd?
The irl dude was a good sport. Accurately predicted how long it would take for the ship to sink, and aided as many people to safety as he could, before choosing to go down with it.
Him and the cook were chads.
>get loaded
>throw deck chairs overboard
>literally the last real person on the ship before it went completely under
>swims around for 2 hours
>too loaded to feel the water
>worst thing that happens to him is a swollen foot
the kitchen training kicked in, I can only image what it must've been like to provide meals for thousands of people around the clock
Cook here.
It also involved heavy drinking and hours of mindless activity with no hope for survival.
I love how he never actually says anything to Rose or Jack but he's just there because it's historically accurate, he just looks at Rose like "I don't know what the frick to do either" for a moment when they're hanging on to the rail
I always liked that and Rose with that blonde woman
Can we get a Charles Lightoller in this b***h. homie survived the Titanic, another ship sinking and Dunkirk.
Yeah, if I'm not mistaken he credited the survival to a strong belief in God. He also swam quite a bit on the Titanic since he was on the opposite end of the ship right where the water was coming from.
Yeah I read that too. Also apparently he was being sucked down and when the engine stack blew up it pushed him back to the surface. Dude's legendary.
Didn't the 2 d half of titanic implode? Maybe that was what pushed him up.
>Didn't the 2 d half of titanic implode? Maybe that was what pushed him up.
Bow half of Titanic remained fairly intact because it was a hydronamic shape that cut through the water until hitting the bottom and embedding in the sand, where you can see it buckles slightly. 6 pts for being half a ship but still managing to stick a landing somewhat despite that.
>6/10
Aft section is not designed to be half a ship or do anything underwater but fail so it literally just spins uncontrolled during its descent as water blows out the insides and rips through the hull plating. It's a total unrecognizable mess by the time it hits the bottom but does manage to remain upright, which is why I award it 1 point.
>1/10
Not to mention he did go down with Titanic, was pulled under by the suction, pinned to a grate. But a fortunate explosion below decks shot a blast of air upward and flung him back to the surface, where he found and took command of an upturned collapsible lifeboat and kept order and calm until the Carpathia arrived.
Dude also fended off a German airship in WWI by firing rocket flares at it.
And of course, as another anon mentioned, Dunkirk, during his retirement, with his private fishing vessel.
Charles Joughin is my spirit animal.
This guy, Frank Prentice, was also interesting. His watch stopped a little while after being submerged but he kept it as a memento.
Don't forget he mowed down german scum during WWI
Frick that homosexual
Titanic has some of the best supporting and bit characters out there.
In hindsight the scots on board were probably all drunk as frick too, so they should've survived at a higher rate than the english, the rats (mice), and the rats (irish)
I really want an extended cut will all the autistic historical shit put back in. The fight scene with Cal's bodyguard can stay dead though.
Has no autist cut it yet?
Maybe but I imagine there's more unreleased footage that could be used to make it flow better.
This guy is the ultimate survivor
>survives the Titanic
>survives WW1 as a merchant mariner
>survives WW2 as a cook in the Bong Atlantic convoy
Also he sank a few more times and survived all of those.
>Joughin joined Chief Officer Henry Tingle Wilde by Lifeboat 10. Joughin helped, with stewards and other seamen, the ladies and children through to the lifeboat, although, after a while, the women on deck ran away from the boat saying they were safer aboard the Titanic. The Chief Baker then went on to A Deck and forcibly brought up women and children, throwing them into the lifeboat.[2]
best thing about the cook is he was the last to go down with the ship vertically and still managed to survive despite spending hours half submerged like jack in the movie
>The cook survives
Many Such Cases
>Are we in Europe yet?
iirc this wasn't sunk in very deep water but the ship was upside down or something
they were looking for the bodies and didnt realize dude was alive
its very easy to get lost in a sunk ship like that and drown
He knew what was waiting for him on shore if he survived like Ishmay.
>Accurately predicted how long it would take for the ship to sink
Wrong, Andrews predicted the Titanic had two hours to live. It sank at two hours and 40 minutes.
He hadn't factored in the heroic efforts of the engineering crew who kept the power (and thus the pumps) on until the ship literally started to come apart around them. They bought Titanic nearly another hour of life and saved hundreds of people still boarding the last lifeboats who would have otherwise gone down with the ship.
These guys didn't even have the opportunity to go into the water to freeze to death, they were trapped within the bowels of the ship and all either drowned or were killed when the air pockets in the stern imploded.
>Wrong, Andrews predicted the Titanic had two hours to live. It sank at two hours and 40 minutes.
holy autism
It’s basic trivia bro..
wagies die, millions of neets laugh
lmao back then there was no such thing as a NEET, you either worked or died on the street.
His wife's name was Anne Eleanor Ripley, aka Ellen Ripley, the sole survivor of the Nostromo. Of course he was a chad. His wife spaced an Ayy Lmao for frick's sake. Life imitates art or some shit.
>You're a passenger and I'm a ship bloody officer! Now do as you're told!
How do you respond to that without sounding mad?
>K
give me your fricking tears
Why a wojak?
>Titanic's on-duty wireless operator, Jack Phillips, was busy clearing a backlog of passengers' trivial messages with the wireless station at Cape Race, Newfoundland, 800 miles (1,300 km) away, at the time. Evans's message that SS Californian was stopped and surrounded by ice was heard very strongly on Titanic due to the relative proximity of the two ships and drowned out a separate message Phillips had been in the process of receiving from Cape Race, bringing Phillips to rebuke Evans: "Shut up, shut up! I am busy; I am working Cape Race!".
>A little bit later Evans, feeling that he had done his duty despite Philips's rude rejection of the message, switched off his wireless equipment and went to bed. One hour and 10 minutes later, at 23:40, Titanic hit an iceberg. Shortly after midnight, she transmitted her first distress call.
Okay sure but why a wojak?
T. Doesn't know the historical context between telegraph opperator short-hand
Shut up was straight up just common shorthand at the time and only a normie who wasnt a telegraph opperator would consider it rude.
The true fact is that EVERYONE would have died without Philips.
The radio had burnt out the day before and the contracts with marconi at the time forbade anyone 'unlicensed' to repair them.
Philips said "frick that" and spent 13 hours rebuilding the entire system and got the radio working again TWO HOURS before the strike.
If that homie had taken a nap or had a jerk off break noone would have survived but because normies didn't understand the 'board culture' of telegraph men he's been shit on
Thanks to normaltards James Cameron had to cut the telegraph scene https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Nlc0YGjl7Y
Real talk though, even if Evans had still been awake and received Titanic's distress call, the Californian still wouldn't have made much of a difference. The ship was 20 nautical miles away and could only do 12 knots in optimal conditions so it still would have taken two hours or more to reach Titanic.
>but what does all this mean
Titanic went down in two hours and 40 minutes. Meaning that at best, the Californian would have arrived just in time to watch the ship break in two. You'd still have 1,500 people in the water you have maybe ten minutes to pull them out before you start pulling corpses abroad instead.
People harp on the Californian because Stanley Lord was simply that easy to vilify.
>You'd still have 1,500 people in the water you have maybe ten minutes to pull them out before you start pulling corpses abroad instead.
That's still better than what actually happened.
Shoot... not even 2 hours. When californian found out in the morning that there was an emergency, it still took them 4 hours to get to the site, and that's with the daylight to see and dodge the icebergs while going full speed. They wouldn't have made it on time even if they responded immediately
>Real talk though, even if Evans had still been awake and received Titanic's distress call, the Californian still wouldn't have made much of a difference. The ship was 20 nautical miles away and could only do 12 knots in optimal conditions so it still would have taken two hours or more to reach Titanic.
They were within visual distance, meaning both ships could see each other the whole time. That has huge implications for survivability when it comes to human psychology.
The story had it's hero in the Captain of the Carpathia regardless and the industry got their regulations including 24/7 Marconi wireless duty officers. There's only so much that can gained from second-guessing decisions like that, especially when human factors are involved. Tragedies have to happen to force solutions. Why do you think people are dropping dead from heart issues?
TFW if they didn’t notice the berg at all would have stayed afloat. Krauts accidentally hit on straight on w similar ship, crumpled the bow catastrophically but the ship did not sink.
It was that ineffective evasive maneuver that directly doomed titanic. The banking angle had the weak points of the bulge compartments catch edgewise. Essentially the fail evading gave the ice penetrative qualities it would never have had even at sharp edges if it were hit straight on.
Also these ocean liner companies really were spergs about speed over all. The luxury aspect was all ad bullshit but the company wanted to outcompete on time for the trip to take, that pushed increasingly w better tech combined w analogue lookout tech stagnation meant shit was bound to go fricky. Man, insane to imagine upwards of 2,000 people slowly realizing vast majority of them are completely frick in a really unnerving situation meets alien arctic open ocean environment. Crazy how safe we have it w planes overall now
>It was that ineffective evasive maneuver that directly doomed titanic.
No and there will never be a sure way of knowing this. Also you are asking the officers of the Titanic to abandon their knowledge of "avoid anything" in training to "ram this iceberg and see what happens lol". The Titanic was built with rivets not welded. That shit would had buckled under the kinetic damage. Who knows what damage it could had done or lack of.
>Krauts accidentally hit on straight on w similar ship
It wasn't a similar ship. Titanic was far far bigger. A true of on her kind. The only comparison you can make is to her sister ships. That's it. It's like comparing a corolla to an ferrari. Yes they are both cars much like the SS Kronprinz Wilhelm and the Titanic were oceanliners but that's where the comparison stops.
>Kronprinz Wilhelm
It's a fricking tragedy how her sister ships were left to rust in Chesapeake Bay for 20 years before being sent to the cutter's torch. WWII was already underway and they didn't even bother using them as troopships.
They were two of the last three four-funneled liners (only the Aquatania outlived them).
>A true of on her kind.
Wut. She was one of three Olympic Class liners.
how can i pirate titanic 4k blu ray release. has anyone found a torrent?
Just buy it, it probably goes for $10 now a days.
it isnt out yet dummy
what happened to the iceberg?
It melted away likely after a year or so.
no, I bought some ice from it
keep it in my freezer
It met and married a lady iceberg and they had three little ice bergs.
he still works in hollywood
Got a cushy desk job at the Feder Reserve.
>HONK HONK
>where too, miss?
>the stars
I have the privilege to be on the seas, up and down! Late nights, icebergs, kissing the girls and watching em die. With, the welshmen.
Somebody in another thread asked for some more boat kino. I suggest Dead Calm.
It took upwards of 20 minutes for him to inspect the damage before he gave his analysis, tard
He also probably didn't anticipate it breaking, or he would've pointed that out. The breaking alone probably stretched the actual time of sinking another few minutes than if it had gone down in one piece.
Post credit scene should have been Raymond Asquith.
He looks at The Times newspaper and smirks.
post credit scene shows the stern drifting past Fontaine Fisheries and then TITANIC 2: RAPTURE flashes across the screen and pajeets start setting off fireworks in the theater
it's in bad taste to run ads on airings of this film so close to the sub tragedy
it's ok though, i saved you the embarrassment and emailed all the advertisers on paramount network and paramount+ 🙂
> "Edward Carson controls a hundred ice bergs, sir...and he hates Irish people!"
>You're fishing for trouble, captain
>I have a bad eeling about this voyage
>That ship is a piece of carp
WHY SHOULD AN 80-YEAR OLD WOMAN BE ALLOWED ON THE LIFEBOAT BEFORE ME?
Because she paid for first class tickets and you tried to scalp 3rd class tickets at a poker game.
I'm better than her
>she paid
>not her husband
Can you imagine how the guy who lost those tickets in that game must've felt when he read about the sinking in the newspapers a week later?
Was the Titanic more expensive than a Duke?
I SHALL HAVE ORDAH
>Rose Dawson-Calvert
she never told her husband what the frick Dawson meant or why she wanted to keep it as part of her last name when they got married
Women are fricking despicable. My cheating prostitute of an exwife kept my last name because it's more special (family name, so less than 250 people has it) than her own which is one of the most last names in my country.
That's moronic. I love having a very common name. It's great if you're white because no one notices you.
A Night To Remember >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Titanic
Why didn't they just sail in the summer instead?
On the subject of Summer, the Atlantic is still freezing cold even then. The Bismarck's only voyage was in late May, 1941 and nearly all of the crew still wound up freezing to death in the water much like the Titanic's (112 men were rescued by British destroyers before they were forced to abandon the rest after a U-Boat sighting). Although around six men somehow managed to survive in the water overnight and were rescued by German ships.
For me it's the guy who lashes together a bunch of deck chairs and immediately loses it when the ship tilts
>presumed
what did they mean by this
you cant be sure with the 2 animals from india
>2 animals from india
Pakistan
>But what's the difference?
Pakistan is worse
>what did they mean by this
when the sub imploded, everyone inside was instantly smashed into jelly by 15 million lbs of pressure
I hope the autopsy photos get leaked. I have a horrifically morbid curiosity to see what the actual effects of implosion are on the human body.
That kind of gore usually isn't all that interesting when it's in the morgue. It stops being recognizable and just looks like mangled beef. It's only compelling when it's fresh gibs and they're scraping it off the pavement still moist like the parts to that girl who wrecked her daddy's Porsche convertible.
I'm guessing this is just some trapped parts that got blown into corners and embedded in crevices in the subs interior. Plane crashes and events like 9/11 had people reduced to fragments of bone. I'm guess most of them became a red cloud of fish food.
It's nit about how it looks like, it's more about the context of it.
Imagine a full size human compacted and turned into just flesh and blood is gruesome and morbid.
Imagine a car with 5 people getting squashed and compacted into the size of a ikea storage box, might have found a foot, a toe, a penis, frick knows, crabs may have even picked all the gooey bits clean leaving just random bones.
>$250k
>no refunds
I've heard they would be turned to literal dust/ash.
>no blackbox/go pro recording
>no altitude, altitude, altitude
>no we're gonna die
>no pull up, pull up, pull up
>no whoop whoop moron
Titanic is kino of the highest order. One of the last great movies.
Any idea of what happened to the scale replica of they built for filming?
I was hoping that it would be used for a museum since it's got historic value in its right.
Most likely scrapped. These things are only designed to last long enough to film, not forever.
Ok Cinemaphile, I watched this again for the first time in 20 years and it's even better than I remembered holy frick this is unironically THE BEST MOVIE OF THE 20TH CENTURY. JAMES CAMARON YOU DOG, YOU DID IT!
It became popular to dump on it for a while and I don't know why. The character writing is sometimes a little off and the dialogue can be corny, but it's a fricking technical marvel.
That sweet spot of the late 1990s and early 2000s when great CGI was applied with care and people still used practical sets and models to create convincing effects. Titanic, Gladiator, Lord of the Rings, the early Harry Potters, Jurassic Park are all GOATed blockbusters for a reason
>It became popular to dump on it for a while and I don't know why.
It was the biggest movie in the world and sort of became like Frozen for teenage and adult women including insipid hit song. So despite being a perfectly watchable disaster movie, it's still dismissed as a chick flick despite being nothing of the sort by modern standards. In fact, Rose is so much of a redpill I imagine the movie is recommended by MRA's.
Cuckolds and /misc/cel chinless contrarians that cry about "muh chick flick Romance" and "muh Jack and Rose weren't even real!" have to understand that the love story is the only way James Cameron could show off everything in less than 3 hours, from the submarine, the 1st class, 3rd class, the cargo hold, the sinking from a survivor's POV, the rescue etc.
Without Jack and Rose the movie has no cohesiveness, it would be just a high budget documentary with zero staying power.
if you've developed an autistic interest in shipwrecks then this dude's channel is perfect. This video in particular is great.
Part Time Explorer and Oceanliner Design really are great. Historic Travels is pretty cool too, if a bit spergy.
I hope the three of them get together and do a collaboration someday. Maybe diving the wreck of the Lusitania or something.
kek i was just watching that one last night but i fell asleep literally right as it started sinking
they should make a movie about this one, it'd be great. With renewed interest in the subject the time is right
>Titanic but Rose dies at the end instead of Jack
Expectations Status: Subverted
On a serious note, the chick who died on the mast and was left entangled in the rigging would make for an appropriately dramatic death scene for Rose.
Her name was also quite coincidentally Rosa Bateman
A sinking or shipwreck isn't enough. Would need gays and a killer polar bear probably.
>Would need gays
You say that as if the Royal Navy's three proudest traditions aren't rum, sodomy, and the lash.
Tom is such a know it all trust fund baby though
>if you've developed an autistic interest in shipwrecks then this dude's channel is perfect. This video in particular is great.
cuts to facegayging as if his unpleasant zoomer baby face is relevant and adds to a mini-doc about ships sinking. Seriously frick off with your narcissism I don't care what you look like it's not my problem that you're trying to meet women i hate youtubers so much it's unreal
>randomly collides with another ship in the wide open Atlantic in 1854
How the absolute literal frick do you manage to do that?
Murphy's Law
This is probably a stupid question, but would Rose really have survived long enough to be rescued? Even though she's floating on a broken door, the air itself is freezing cold and she'd already spent 5-10 minutes in the water by the point.
I've always had my doubts about her prospects of survival because most of the survivors in Collapsible A died despite having gotten out of the water. Hell, Russian soldiers in Ukraine were dropping dead from the cold before snow had even begun to fall, the drop in ambient temperature proved that lethal.
I mean we're just going off her word. Realistically she kills Leo when she swung that axe with her eyes closed, then casually finds a lifeboat
>Realistically she kills Leo when she swung that axe with her eyes closed, then casually finds a lifeboat
Personally I've got the metabolism of Wim Hof, (that Dutch homosexual who freezes himself in ice and shit), and I'm certain I'd survive. I think some of that shit comes down to genetic lottery. The same reason you measure lethality of poisons in probability, (LD50 = Lethal Does of 50% of test subjects). It's a bell curve, like Black person IQ.
Not only do I like the cold, but as far as I can tell I'm impervious to anything above zero degrees Celsius, and highly resistant for prolonged periods at least ten degrees below that. I actually worry about getting frost bite or something because I don't think I'd even notice if the temperature was dangerous. Noticeably, when I was in the Army after working in the rain my uniform would dry on my body quickly and long before anyone else's. I pay for it on the other end though because temperatures above about twenty degrees are like the Seventh Circle of Hell.
I've read about sailors going overboard in cold water and fraction surviving while others simply succumb to the cold almost immediately. There was some gay who was the lone survivor in a situation like that, swam tens of miles in freezing water to shore, and then just walked tens more miles home. His wife is like WTF dude? And he's like Honey Badger doesn't give a frick.
It's doable. The ship's cook basically survived what Rose and Jake went through.
James Cameron tested the survivability of Jack and Rose recently.
Though it's mostly about if there's a way for Jack to survive, the answer to your question is that Rose could survive as portrayed in the movie. She apparently had enough layers of clothes on to keep her core warm enough to not die.
She had just been penetrated so her internal heat was still very high.
>ship named Titanic
>submarine named Titan
bravo tolkien!
Maybe I’m moronic, but how does ice cut through a thick steel boat?
it didnt. same way you didnt slice an egg in half when you crush it in your palm
What
you crushed/tore the egg, anon, not cut. as mentioned by someone else, the titanic was like, 50,000 tons, and the iceberg was like, 75 million tons.
its like...you, a human, being made of flesh and bone, verse a sheet of tin foil. you cant cut it, but i dont think its stopping your finger pushing a hole into it.
It didn't, the impact deformed the steel plating to the point where the rivets just popped out, allowing water to enter.
What doomed the ship was the fact that it scraped the iceberg long enough that it popped the rivets out in five compartments, one more than the ship could have theoretically survived.
You reckon we'll ever see 9/11 bouncy castles?
several small holes
>This submersible can't implode.
She's made of carbon fibre sir, I assure you she can.
>No. They expect one of us in the wreckage, brother.
We need to go back, /b/ors....
>30 seconds of deafening test pattern
It was worth it being exposed to that frequently for greatest gen still being around, gas being .99 cents / gallon and reality basically making sense
> The Titanic sunk faster than the House of Lords attempt to stop Lloyd George's budget.
Doing it wrong. Since the sub implosion is the media distraction, you need to talk about how fast that imploded in relation to Hunter Biden and his corrupt dealings with "The Big Guy" Joe.
Why didn't sub have bilge pumps to clear out water if there was a leak? Was guy who made it moronic?
>"This can't be! Now the federal reserve will be approved without opposition!"
What was Cameron's reasoning for editing this line from an extra out during post?
>GAME OVER MAN
>IT'S OGRE MAN
>YEAH WHY DON'T YOU LET THE COOK IN CHARGE
>LET'S ROCK-ACK
>Titanic sinks
>suddenly WW1 happens, Spanish flu and the Great Depression
Really makes you think
>Drumpf is elected
>suddenly the covid epidemic, Ukraine war and Epstein suicide happen
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