>one week later
>barely limping to (not actualy) break even on production budget
>all shill threads have stopped dead
lol, lmao
Anyways, honest review time: It's a 6/10, if you want to be extremely generous. An average movie with a couple highlights. It has a plot, there's some plot and character arcs, the action scenes are alright, the animation is really nothing special. Scribbling little borderlands-y noise on everything and don't the janky low-framerate gimmick doesn't really do anything to make it more cool or striking. The overly stylized look of the characters is very jarring and unpleasant, though.
Black April was not as bad as expected, but she's not April. The puke gimmick was not funny either. Ice Cube as Superfly was great, but his overall character arc was dumb. SuperDuperFly was a strange way to end the movie.
If it was just a stand-alone, one-off kind of thing, it wouldn't be too offensive. As the start of some shitty "TMNTCU" project, it's a really lame way to start things. I don't want to see more of these characters and I don't think anyone else does either.
Why are you so obsessed with this movie that you hate?
>why are you talking about animated movies on Cinemaphile
Go be assravaged somewhere else, homosexual.
>NO, STOP LOOKING AT IT CHUDS!!! JUST IGNORE IT AND MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SHILLED TO HELL GOYSLOP!!!
Nah, we're gonna spend some time dissecting this cadaver Seth.
Half the shit you autistic homosexuals complain about would be forgotten in a week if you didn't make bait filled shitposting threads in an effort to "own" people who like it.
No, it wouldn't, it would be even more common without anyone shitting on it.
6/10 isn’t even a bad score, dumbass
Yeah, but they can't brag about a 6/10, which is why "99% CERTIFIED FRESH!" is all they keep bringing up.
>but they can't brag about a 6/10
They can't brag about an above average score? I think you should lay off the youtube video essays.
...Well, considering how butthurt several anons got in this exact thread for saying the movie was a 6/10, I'm feeling pretty confident when I say they can't brag about an average score.
Are anons in charge of distribution and promotion, anon? Where did you even get this 6/10 score, when every other review is a glowing congratulations letter?
>Where did you even get this 6/10 score
Are you purposefully being moronic, or did you not read the thread at all?
Every other review, even the "glowing" ones, are actually only rating it at around a 7 to 7.5 out of 10 and most of them having nothing especially insightful to say about it either way, because 7/10 is a nice, brainless score used by professional critics who don't really care enough to critique a stupid superhero turtle cartoon. Even the movies that flopped and sucked shit this year all got about 7/10 averages.
Lurk more. Particularly in SOP season.
I thought some yes, some no.
Hatred is a form of obsession, anon.
why are you obsessed with sexist slurs
The shill threads stopped because homosexuals like you would keep derailing them to only complain about the movie.
I want you to stop and think about how fricking stupid what you just posted was. A bunch of homosexuals saying "THE THING IS GOOD" and other people saying "IT'S BAD FOR THESE REASONS" is an average Cinemaphile thread.
>Noooo, you cHuDs can't just go around judging something you haven't seen! All threads prior to release are for hype and shilling only! Until the piece of shit fully emerges from the anus, you're not allowed to criticize it!
Sorry for bursting your little Cinemaphilensoomer bubble there homosexual, but bad media gets criticized, get over it.
>only complain about the movie.
I haven't seen anyone on Cinemaphile describe what's really wrong with this movie other than April being fat and black and the turtles being zoomers. I haven't seen the movie yet.
Splinter, genderswaps, underutilized villains, Seth Rogen existing...
Kinda funny how quickly this thread has turned into defensive meta-bitching because homosexuals overinvested their self-worth into a Seth Rogen movie.
OP and
this post cover the gist.
Most of the voice actors aren't good, with a few exceptions. Most of the characters are extremely half-baked with moivations that are 1-dimensional. The turtles want to be normal and go to high school. Leo wants to help April because he has a sudden, inexplicable crush on her, and the movie does nothing with that plot anyways. The closest thing to an arc they have is wanting to be heroes so everyone loves them, then realizing they should be heroes because it's the right thing to do, but then everyone loves them anyways because they get seen saving the city and all earlier conflicts are thrown out the window.
The villains are there so they can have more action figures. They're wacky and varied, but they are pretty much just props for the setpiece action scenes. End of the movie, they decide they don't want to be bad guys because they realized that they didn't actually want to kill all humans. There's also some confusing shit about them all being family, because "family" is the closest thing to a theme this movie has. Superfly has good screen presence, but he's more of a cackling mad scientist than an interesting villain, which is why they just destroy him at the end of the movie.
April, like it was already said, is mostly fine, but she's got no reason to be "April O'Neal", because she's so detached from that character in every way, and there's really no point in continuing that trend any further. Does no favors to her character to be saddled with another iconic character's reputation that she'll never match.
Well that's fair enough. I'll probably wait for an HD release to come out. Is it at least better than the live action movies?
*the Bay live action movies
I started rewatching the Bay movies because of this thread and the first one, so far, is not only better than I remember, but a pretty good movie overall.
Give it a couple more weeks and a full non-camrip version of the movie will probably be up on the various questionable streaming sites. Even with very low expectations, I found myself not hating it, but I wouldn't say it was really good in any way either.
As for how it measures up to the Bay movies, I'd say it's a little worse, if only because the storytelling is sloppier. The Bay movies at least gave us a lot of big action scenes and they really get the overall feel of what TMNT is about, in terms of personality and relationships.
Camrips are out. I would put it in the same general range as the worst of the live action movies, personally. That would be one step below Bay.
Bay isn't really about giving a frick for the source material, but he gets it better than the bozos who wrote this.
Seems reasonable. Seems more of a placeholder to promote merch of the turtles in general than any artistic vision. It will probably succeed at that.
Good
Subtle.
Shills don't care what goes on in a thread, as long as people keep talking about PRODUCT. Shills don't spam here to sell us shit, they do it to manipulate trending. Every board has at least 2 offsite archives that also gets crawled by google, so spam here counts at least triple. Shilling here being practically free is just an added bonus.
The threads disappeared because noone has any faith in the movie, not even Nick. They pulled the shills early because paying for the standard 2-3 weeks post-premiere shillspam would just be a waste of money.
It’s not the start of the “tmntcu” this is just their stealth pilot for a tv show like jinmy neutron. They have a live action movie coming in 2025 that is their actual tmntcu franchise
They did the mid-credits sequel bait, made plans for several more spin-off movies about the villains, and want to do several seasons of a tie-in series. If that's not an attempt at doing the "cinematic universe" thing that Disney has botched for the last decade, I don't know what is.
Last I heard, the live-action movie was tied up in production limbo, too. With all the strikes bleeding studios dry, they'll likely cancel it before it ever goes into production.
The series was always planned they just never announced it, the spin off are not there specials to help introduce the villains and having a sequel hook to an action movie has been done for a long time
Really sounds like you're splitting hairs when it's very clearly an attempt to do a shared universe of shows and movies.
So is jimmy neutron a cinematic universe? Is back at barnyard one? If you think they are then yes tmnt is one but your also a fricking moron. The live action movie if it doesn’t get cancelled has plans to do a Casey jones spin off film among other things that’s more like the mcu then this kiddy shit
Are all the Marvel shows not part of a cinematic universe?
>The live action movie if it doesn’t get cancelled has plans to do a Casey jones spin off film among other things that’s more like the mcu then this kiddy shit
The live-action movie is written by two rejects from SNL's infamously bad writer's room. If you think it will somehow be more serious and mature, you will be disappointed. Would actually be better for TMNT for this movie to fail, all associated projects to get canceled, and for TMNT to just get a fricking break for a few years.
8/10. Having the voice actors in the room together worked well for their chemistry. Really good soundtrack. Just too much for them to fit in and it feels like an obvious set up for the tv show. Is Donnie even going to be the tech-solver?
Funny to watch the cult of negativity here when I'm part of multiple tmnt discords that are receptive to the movie and sharing positivity. 4ch is a cesspit
>I'm part of multiple tmnt discords that are receptive to the movie and sharing positivity.
You surround yourself with people that have shit taste and celebrate mediocrity and then sneak back here to gloat about that like it's a good thing?
Your life is engrossed in posting bait threads on a dying website. No one cares about your opinions on the newest flavor of the week outrage bait
>trying to claim moral superiority while engaging in in hyperbolic shit flinging because someone said a movie is a 6/10
Are you purposefully engaging in clown antics, or are you truly this sad and pathetic naturally?
You aren't giving him enough credit anon. He could easily be both.
go back
>Oh yeah? Well I hang out with fanboys!
Seems like a strange thing to brag about.
OK, then go back to your little Discord hugbox.
I feel fricking alienated when people talk this movie up, it had more exposition and spelling out the themes of plot beats than any movie I watched recently. That scribble art style is carrying this fricking movie hard, the action wasn't all that impressive compared to movies that came out this and last year and the narrative felt like I was getting talked down to like a dumb fricking baby. How did anyone enjoy this?
Making Splinter not be Hamato Yoshi is also fricking stupid when they're just gonna pull out Shredder for the sequel.
>complaining about a PG movie
Lmao
>"I-It's a k-k-kid's mov-ACK"
It pushed itself hard in nostalgiawank for adults, specifically filled it with references to mutants and designs from previous iterations and has a lot of cross promo shit in stuff not kid exclusive like SF6 at the moment. Other PG animated movies have the decency to not make every other fricking scene exposition, especially for something as tired and well established as fricking TMNT. Take your excuse elsewhere.
>the narrative felt like I was getting talked down to like a dumb fricking baby.
did you consider that this movie is for literal children
You can't just have your characters announce how they feel... that makes me feel ANGRY!
But seriously, it's more of a problem of having the characters actually scream their character arcs out loud, even after most of their other dialog has been loudly announcing their character traits and arcs.
You'd think so, but several issues into Lost Years and Lost Days and all they've got are vague criminals and also the Purple Dragons are still kind of around as some sort of quasi-post-apoc gang.
>But seriously, it's more of a problem of having the characters actually scream their character arcs out loud, even after most of their other dialog has been loudly announcing their character traits and arcs.
Fricking thank you. I’m not moronic, I know some exposition has to happen and the film is written with younger audiences in mind, but you don’t have to have them announce their arcs over and over. Kids will get when you have Splinter and Superfly say the same line word for word for a reason, you don’t need Superfly to follow up on the fact that he established a parallel and for Splinter to go “I know there was a parallel established, but I will go against it because themes!”
There's a lot of weird writing decisions in there that leaves a lot of the characters half-baked with confusing or non-existent arcs that they try to get around by having them openly shout a few things at their climax.
Mikey and Donnie are exactly the same at the start of the movie as they are at the end. What did they learn? What did they overcome? Donnie learns.... anime? Mikey learns to do what he was already doing? Raph's problem is that he's violent and keeps saying how he never wants to see his brothers again, and his conclusion is that he SHOULD be loud and violent (it always works out for him), but also that if he's going to die, he wants to die with his brothers. (The Bay TMNT literally did this better, more subtle, and more emotionally)
And then there's Leo who has one scene where his brothers bust his balls him for doing a serious monologue about getting groceries, in between that his dialog revolves around wanting a girlfriend and simping for April, and then at the end he gives a big leader speech where he restates their character traits: "You're a nerd! Go Loud! Do Improv!" and I guess that's supposed to be his arc? Learning to be a leader, even though they weren't shown to badly need leadership up to that point?
People can keep saying "it's for kids!" but it's aimed at tweens and teens, not babies. And that's not an excuse to overlook such ham-fisted writing for a movie that had FIVE FRICKING WRITERS working on the screenplay, 3 of which are also the story writers, and producers, and 1 of whom is the fricking director. The explanation is that they're shitty, talentless morons, not that they dumbed down their highbrow storytelling form Sausage Party and Neighbors to fit a younger audience.
This makes the 87 episode where Shredder recruits turtle wrestlers from the Planet of the Turtles look good
Don has also rigged the TV to watch their matches
Lean mean turtle crushing machine
Also they are German
It's just kinda average, at best. And since we've have so many different takes on the TMNT's origin, it doesn't really hold up to comparison. Every other version did this basic origin story better, even Rise.
>its for children so its okay that it's bad
I've never seen Batman: The Animated Series, but it must be terrible.
i am glad is going to have a show so you can seethe more
hope raph x casey is a thing
Idc what you say Donnie and Mikey are cute!
It really doesn't matter. Fail or break even it'll make money when they sell it to streaming services and cable. Thats why it's rare a movie is written off the way TV shows are.
april is frickable
In between all the screaming over the last few weeks, there was some actual conversation and it really got me thinking that Mutant Mayhem had to have gone through some major revisions. It was in the works for a while and there's even some posts floating around from the art team about how they originally had a very different script. We even saw the early storyboards floating around that had a different angle on the same story.
What they released feels like a cobbled together compromise of ideas just to get something out. They probably wanted the movie done 2 years ago, but covid fricked up production. The Shredder tease was probably a last second addition once they found out they were going to be on the hook for a few cartoon seasons. They barely knew what to do with Cynthia Utrom after her single big scene, and then made all the remaining mutants one big family who are now fully accepted by society as heroes (never mind all those crimes they verifiably did and were involved with) and the turtles are even attending public school (never mind that they live in a sewer).
None of it feels like they had a strong vision for continuing things and that's probably why it feels so fricking weird that they're going to continue from this movie as the foundation for other stuff.
Wasn't april supposed to be their teacher originally? Not an ugly teenager? I swear there was even a storyboard floating around and the art was rough but it was clearly not depicting a teenager.
No, there was a storyboard mentioning school and from the design people assumed she was a teacher. It just seemed unlikely that they would make a teenager that looks like a fat 40 year old woman whose clothes came out of a donations bin.
I think very early drafts and mentions of the story made it sound like April was their teacher. Early storyboards also had a much frumpier looking design for April that didn't really seem to scream "15 year old" and there was shit like the attached pic from Rogen's twitter that made it seem like they were already in high school.
One of the concept artists had a thing floating around too about how Baxter Stockman was originally a bigger part of the story and they had a whole sequence of him accidentally blowing up animals because he was doing cruel experiments on exotic animals, not trying to "make a family"
Seth Rogen was a death sentence for this movie. It will probably break even on merchandise sales, but that's not really saying much because Ninja Turtles toys always sell well. It's a very ugly movie and not even in the toilet humor and body horror way that previous versions were, it's just got a harsh look to it and the character designs are all intentionally ugly, even the "good" characters. And on top of that, the movie has very little appeal for adults other than just the fact that it's Ninja Turtles. It's too different from past iterations to be nostalgia bait and it's too kiddy to stand up on its own like the 2014 live action series was trying to pull off.
I feel like if they just did a third live action movie it would have done a little better but that ship has sailed. Mutant Mayhem is basically just a stopgap until someone is willing to take a chance on another live action reboot.
Even if the movie totally sucked shit and rated poorly, they'd probably still be okay financially given how easily TMNT merch moves. Just before MM came out, they were already releasing tons of retro merch just to shore up their profits, because Viacom gets to play both sides of this conflict. Pit the oldgays against the newbies when they're the only one selling the goods. Kinda brilliant.
The other thing is that these reboots don't live in a vacuum, despite what the studios seem to think. Oldgays like who have been around to see every single version of TMNT come and go were already nostalgiabait age with 2006 TMNT, 2012 TMNT, and 2014 TMNT came out, not to mention the IDW comics which were a somewhat low-key reboot that likewise remixed and consolidated a bunch of ideas from past iterations while adding its own spin.
I think that Rise of the TMNT is when they really couldn't get away with pushing the nostalgia buttons anymore. The 2012 3D cartoon had already leaned very heavily on nostalgia for the 80s cartoon, and even before that there had been an "ultimate TMNT multiverse" movie with Turtles Forever. Rise of TMNT was the first version of TMNT I've seen since the 90s that was not trying to court the adult fans and was leaning entirely on being appealing to kids. Was it as successful as TMNT 2012 or the 2014 movie? I don't know, maybe someone here can answer that, but like Rise, Mutant Mayhem was not trying to court the adult fans, and in some ways may have alienated them pretty badly with things like ugly April and changing the origins for the turtles' martial arts, as well as making what's objectively the worst version of Splinter ever, which kind of got overshadowed by making the worst version of April ever. As a toy commercial it probably will succeed since it was done for only $70 million, but as a movie it's a dud.
I think from here they're gonna have to do what they've always done-- wait a few years, re-release classic Turtles stuff in the meantime, and then do another reboot that hopefully finds that elusive sweet spot. TMNT 2012 made the turtles too big and MMH made them too small. What I have always wanted was to see a long format Ninja Turtles show or movie series where we actually watch them grow up, and at some point, they stop being "teenage mutant ninja turtles" and become just "ninja turtles" because they're adults now.
>What I have always wanted was to see a long format Ninja Turtles show or movie series where we actually watch them grow up, and at some point, they stop being "teenage mutant ninja turtles" and become just "ninja turtles" because they're adults now.
I think IDW accidentally did that without acknowledging it, but they botched so many things that it's not even interesting that the turtles are no longer teens.
>I think from here they're gonna have to do what they've always done-- wait a few years, re-release classic Turtles stuff in the meantime, and then do another reboot that hopefully finds that elusive sweet spot.
They already found their next Turtles property to milk seeing as they released a trailer for their GoW inspired game this week.
First volume got tons of reprints and was the best selling comic in IDW's history, if I'm not mistaken. All the follow-up comics they keep making don't seem to be doing quite as well. Either way, it's a bad idea to try and launch a new TMNT "universe" where 3/4ths of the titular characters are dead.
>where 3/4ths of the titular characters are dead.
They changed the ending to April's daughter training a new team of turtles precisely so they could milk the universe
They're never going to catch on for a few reasons
>not muh turtles
>names are not catchy
>most of their personalities fricking suck
>No Splinter, Shredder, Casey, or any of the other things people like
>no seriously, not muh turtles
>Tom Waltz's writing in general
>there's literally no reason for them to exist because all the bad guys are dead and now the world is just a generic shitty future dystopia, which doesn't jive with the things that make TMNT work
Cyber Shredder?
Demon Shredder?
I mean, if all the bad guys are dead, then that just means we have the vacant spot for new ones.
I heard the Last Ronin video game might be something more akin to Arkham City. That would be a lot more exciting than just a linear experience like GOW and you can still tell plenty of story in a semi-open world game like that.
derp I meant that the 2014 movie made the turtles too big. I honestly didn't think they were that bad but visually it was a very different take on the characters than what I think most people wanted. It kinda worked though.
limping to (not actualy) break even on production budget
Matching your production budget within two weeks of release is actually pretty good especially for film with a mid-sized budget.
People just saw the past decade of a handful of mega blockbusters having insane opening weekends and think that's how the entire industry works. It's not and never has been.
Hell, the only theatrically released Star Wars film to exceed its production budget on its opening weekend was Clone Wars and that was simply three television episodes edited into a film.
The real problem is that the production budget is only really one small part of the actual debt they need to make up for. The economics of Hollywood have gotten excessively worse over the last decade and with the global economy in shambles, it's become much more expensive to promote movies and hire a dozen celebrity voice actors, and keep a movie in theaters while constantly promoting it. On top of that, every studio has their own stupid streaming platform and all of those are bleeding out billions, so now they have to choose how long to keep something it in theaters, when to release the blu-ray, and when to put it on streaming, and also where.
Used to be that a movie could have a long tail and that studios weren't playing with so much funny money that they could let something live on a much longer time-scale. Now, movies that "break even" after 6-12 months are huge liabilities, like Lightyear or Raya or Morbius.
>Lightyear
Budget - 200 million, barely broke even in it's ENTIRE run
>Morbius
Budget around 80 million, broke even slightly in it's ENTIRE run
>Raya
Budget 100 million, barely broke even in it's ENTIRE run
>TMNT Mayhem
Budget - 70 million. Around a week in theatres. Made 94 million internationally. It's doing well.
>It's doing well.
It's doing poorly, but the bar for "break even" is fairly low, which is the only thing that will keep the movie from being a catastrophic Ruby Gillman-level flop.
Anon, you're comparing it to bombs.
Mutant Mayhem is either going to be a flop or a "yay, we did slightly more than breaking even" depending on factors we're not privy to.
It's not doing as terrible as the movies you pointed to, but it's sure as hell not "doing well" either. It's maybe limping to the finish line.
It's the first week, when Studios get most of the box office. It's probably covered the budget, and it will probably cover budget+advertising with some genuine profit before all's said and done. It's not a Mario blockbuster but it's doing... well. Ish.
But Viacom was probably banking on a blockbuster. These are definitely not the numbers they expected when they greenlit a sequel and a show before the movie was even out.
>These are definitely not the numbers they expected when they greenlit a sequel and a show before the movie was even out.
They were confirming sequels and streaming shows before the thing even released because they expected this to be the biggest movie of the summer.
It'll probably make some money, but it's not really a win. It's also doing very poorly internationally. After two weeks, it's only grossed $21 million outside of North America. There are a few "big" markets left to open, but those weren't big on the recent live-action movies so they're probably not going to contribute much.
It'll do "respectable" but it's sure as hell not the tentpole they wanted. Why the frick did they make the same mistake AGAIN? With Rise they greenlit two seasons and a movie when the first season was barely out the door. Here they greenlit two movies and a show before seeing if people wanted to see the movie. Madness.
Meanwhile we can't get the wrap-things-up 2012 straight-to-Netflix movie that's been pitched for years, despite that version being more popular than Rise.
I just look at the massive merchandise they produced for this movie and just can't stop thinking that this is definitely going to be a massive disaster.
But sadly I'm know that even if the movie completely flops and all the merchandise end up as garbage in the ocean there will be no consequences for anyone because Hollywood and investors love being fricking morons apparently.
The system is rigged so they can fire hundreds or thousands of people for the poor decisions made by the people at the top. Even if the whole company goes bankrupt, the CEOs get Golden Parachutes that somehow land them even higher paying jobs at any other studio or company they want.
It has broken on its production budget fool, and isn't even out in a lot of countries. Also are you seriously using Cinemaphile as a measure of a film's success lol. There are a shitload of Ruby Gillman threads and that film was a massive failure
*broken even
How many times does it need to be explained that production budget doesn't include marketing, merchandising, etc?
I know. I was specifically talking about the production budget. And if it has legs like Elemental did, it will be fine
>Scribbling little borderlands-y noise on everything and don't the janky low-framerate gimmick doesn't really do anything to make it more cool or striking.
You're animation illiterate
Explain.
Trying to push the narrative that a 70M budget TMNT movie is going to be a financial failure is getting as painful as trying to push the idea that the Mario movie was woke
So, legit?
Wuh? I keep reading that it's performing really well at the box office
Projected $30M opening and got $43M
And yes they were calculating based on the 5-day extended opening
Box office totals reported online don't account for the theaters cut, and that cut gets larger with each passing week. Compared to other movies that released in the same window, Mutant Mayhem got beat, badly, by The Meg 2, and barely performed better than Haunted Mansion.
And by the time it was out of theaters, it made nearly half a billion. I don't see that happening here, because PiB had an extremely strong word of mouth bump, because no one expected a Shrek spin-off to be that good or that emotionally resonant. MM isn't going to get that.
You're badly-informed about how box office totals work
Here, this is why it "got beat, badly"
https://www.slashfilm.com/1364845/tmnt-mutant-mayhem-oozes-past-meg-2-the-trench-second-weekend-box-office/
I haven't seen this movie but you are way off about figures
Not that it's gonna be as successful as Puss in Boots but it's definitely gonna be successful
I'm looking at totals, tripsman.
Meg 2 made 160 million, Mutant Mayhem made 70 million. Both are fighting for 3rd place against Barbie and Oppenheimer, because there's nothing else new that's out. These totals will update tomorrow, but it's limping to a tepid performance at a time when Paramount needed a billion dollar hit.
We both know Meg 2 is some weird Chinese gov't pet project.
You keep talking like budget doesn't matter. Paramount aren't expecting their $70M quirky animation to make a billy. They'd be happy with $300M
Frankly they have a higher chance of smashing projections with their Paw Patrol baby movie
Part of the reason that TMNT has endured for so long and is continually rebooted is because Viacom recognizes it as a highly profitable IP that was raking in billions during the height of turtlemania, and continued to make billions even after that craze died down.
I doubt that Paramount tried to make Seth Rogen into their animation guy and hired a dozen notably celebrities as voice actors, and then heavily promoted this movie around the world because they were expecting a modest success.
Puss in Boots TLW took 6 weeks to earn back production budget
It just passed 100 million worldwide
The whole children's book of "and then they were all friends in the End". Is trite.
Feels from an executive that was from Nick Jr and had no media connectins beyond preschool stuff.
It felt like ugly preskool stuff.
The pop culture references were completely insufferable. This movie will be dated as hell in 2 years.
Invoking Beyonce, the Nolan Batman movies, and BTS shows that this movie was out of touch and dated before it ever released. Also the Bay movies already did the Batman voice joke back when it was still somewhat relevant, and I'm now starting to realize MM is just an inferior copy of the 2014 live action movie in a lot of ways.
It's not like Beyonce or BTS are irrelevant in 2023
Nolan Batman maybe a silly choice
Beyonce and BTS aren't all that popular with the target audience of this movie, though.
>TMNT living in secret until they are spotted by April
>they are enamored with human culture/pop culture
>batman voice joke
>they learned ninjutsu just because Splinter felt like they needed to learn to defend themselves
>upon coming face to face with April turtles try to play it cool at first, but out themselves as dorky teen goofballs
>on a rooftop a joke is made where April rearranges the words "teenage mutant ninja turtles"
>evil scientist villain finds out about the turtles and later captures them so they can be milked for the mutagen in their blood
>villain has a device that, when activated, will lead to tons of people dying
>turtles have to rush and disable the device after a brief struggle
>turtles then engage in a final battle with the bad guy in the middle of the city
>turtles struggle at first, but then have a moment where they reflect on their various strengths and make callbacks to things said earlier in the movie
>during the finale, the turtles make various confessions believing they are about to die
>Raph, specifically, apologizes for wanting to leave his brothers and admit how much he loves and respects them
There's a lot of stuff in between that's different, not a 1:1 copy, but there's a not-insignificant amount of similarities
Budget: $70 million.
Box office: Not quite $100 million yet.
In the first few days studios get the majority of the cut with theaters only getting slim pickings, so it may have even broken even for the not-including-advertising budget. Might squeak to breaking even overall.
The merch is going to be what makes or breaks this financially for Viacom.
I recommend not buying any.
>The merch is going to be what makes or breaks this financially for Viacom.
When they inevitably have to dumpster tons of Mutant Mayhem shit, they'll just double down on the "retro" merch instead.
On it's own, the movie is average. Not horrendous. Not amazing.
As a TMNT movie, a 40 year old franchise that has eternally cemented it's place in western pop culture, it's just disappointing. Every time they reboot, it's a chance to zero in on the best things that worked and refine the things that didn't. No one should really want yet another TMNT incarnation that somehow has less energy, less personality, less creativity, less imagination, and less soul than every previous version, except this times it's trying really hard to be modern and relatable.
>"Dude what if Spider-Man acted like a 40 year old's idea of a modern teenager'
>"Dude what if the Ninja Turtles acted like a 40 year old's idea of a modern teenager'
Nah, frick this movie for taking the easy way out
I mean, TMNT has looooong been a 40-year-old's idea of a modern teen. Cowabunga dude!
Eastman and Laird were originally poking fun at the teen hero capeshit comics and Daredevil, specifically (that's why they're always doing dramatic rooftop poses). They weren't meant to be "JUST LIKE REAL TEENS™" and neither were any of the future iterations. They were meant to be cool and appealing and fun, which is why they were wisecracking tough guys most of the time, and not children constantly whimpering about how hard it is to ask Stacy to the promscoming dance.
Yeah, I'm not talking about Eastman and Laird. The '87, 2003, and 2012 cartoons all were rife with "this is how teens act, right?" moments, along with the movies etc.
I hate this movie for its aesthetics, but acting like it'll be dated by slang/pop culture references faster than previous versions were? That is mondo grody bogus to the max, dude.
What I said goes for the 87 version too. They were supposed to be cool and funny, not relatable... and even if they're wacky cowabunga pizza talk was silly and dumb, it worked and kids loved it.
Yeah I doubt teens were watching TMNT 87
the 80s turtles were goofy as frick and you know it
They knew it, too, what with constantly breaking the 4th wall.
Hell, it was great with Shredder and Krang breaking the 4th wall.
I'm not really sure anything can be better than Turtles Forever. I'm just not interested in this film. I think the art style is good when it's good.
>I'm not really sure anything can be better than Turtles Forever.
I hope you're not serious
limping to (not actualy) break even on production budget
https://www.boxofficemojo.com/release/rl393904897/?ref_=bo_hm_rd
Seems they're pretty close anon, with a 70 m budget and no competition, reaching 140m is pretty easy
It'll reach ~$120m domestic by the end of its run, and there's still plenty of international markets where it hasn't even released yet.
Only international market that matters is China and it's surrounding territories that are totally part of the singular China, and they don't give a frick.
It's opened in China this week and completely bombed. <$1 million weekend. The only big markets left are Brazil, Japan and South Korea, but outside of the U.S., this movie seems to be doing worse than the live-action films, so ...
2014
Brazil - $19,219,133
Japan - $8,827,229
South Korea - $2,592,317
Out of the Shadows
Brazil - $5,573,345
Japan - $4,144,751
South Korea - $1,607,665
Russia was the second biggest international market for Out of Shadows, behind China, but lol.
Where are you seeing China figures?
I found a source
https://www.boxofficepro.com/weekend-box-office-barbie-oppenheimer-last-voyage-demeter/
That's bad for the lil green guys
I mean, let's be clear here: Frick China. We need to move away from the "if it doesn't do well in China, we should consider it a bomb" paradigm, because we keep pandering to China trying to get their tickets, and it fricks us over culturally and financially (many of the "made ok for China" movies end up tanking there anyway).
But yeah, I don't see this doing much more than limping to the finish line with a "yeah, that did okay!" boxoffice that absolutely does not justify all the "sequel and a tv show!" stuff Viacom threw at it already.
Totally agreed, and that's very likely what we will get. Okay performance
But anons need to stop pushing the line that it's a terrible disaster failure flop because that makes it look like goalpost shifting when the narrative instead becomes
>Okay not a failure but they really needed this to be huge! They needed to turn $70M into $70Bn!!
China doesn't care about animal movies. Only Kung Fu Panda because it's about celebrating how "cool" China is when China is nothing of the sort. I want a Kung Fu Panda movie about Tigress figuring out that China has nearly killed tigers into extinction and she goes crazy and tries to destroy China. Seriously in China? They EAT tigers and they have special facilities where tigers are farmed and the way they dominate and intimidate tigers is showing tiger cubs brutally how they kill their mothers and fathers and turn them into tiger burgers (not joking in China they process the meat of tigers and use it for dishes). The Chinese don't frick around when it comes to killing tigers for multiple uses it's not just Chinese medicine it's a LOT of things you don't know about. I almost feel bad for tigers, but yeah Kung Fu Panda is the only thing Chinese like because it undeservedly celebrates China as it was this grand country.
Zootopia made over $230 million in China.
In China's defense... The Kung Fu Panda movies are pretty good, though.
I think I recall some controversy back then about them b***hing about the panda, the "national mascot", being a son of a duck or something. Odd.
All forced, the public loved it, much to the Party's chagrin. It was a bit embarrassing that some Americans outdid them in making an animated action movie set in China.
They got their revenge though. Dreamworks let them help write KFP3 and they turned the franchise to shit in a single blow. "Flying with chi" my ass, how the frick do you do more movies after that shite? Frickers fricked up the core of what made the franchise fun.
>All forced, the public loved it, much to the Party's chagrin.
Ok yeah, that makes sense.
Has it been released overseas yet?
Around 30% of territories. Plenty more to appear in yet
Not true. It has opened in most markets now. IMDB has a list of release dates: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8589698/releaseinfo/?ref_=tt_ov_rdat
Alongside the other three I mentioned, I guess Australia might also be a decent sized market.
There's a China boxoffice autist on Reddit who compiles their chart weekly: https://www.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/comments/15q2vxj/in_china_no_more_bets_scores_massive_993m842435m/
For comparison, the 2014 movie did $62 million in China. The sequel did $58 million. It's going to do worse than the 2007 movie, which only did $4 million. China's boxoffice was a lot smaller back then.
Guess my info was outdated. Thanks for correction
>>one week later
limping to (not actualy) break even on production budget
>>all shill threads have stopped dead
based. frick seth israeliteington. his movies are always vile Caucasophobic trash
I watched it. It was fun!
I just tried to watch a camrip and couldn't get very far. Just wasn't for me.
This got shilled so hard for a minute I was sure it was gonna pull through just through exposure alone.
But I don't actually know anyone who was curious enough to actually go see it.
And yeah... Nothing about this character looks like she's supposed to be young.
How old is she supposed to be?
In the movie, she's 15 or 16, I think. The storyboards that leaked don't say her age, but I don't think they were scribbling these boards with a sassy teen in mind.
Shills kinda thrive when the only things being discussed are shitposts and conflicting information, like the Scumbug thing, or being complaining about April being black (which she shouldn't be and it was a stupid homosexualy thing for the creators to do).
I don't see what you're getting at. We've seen the concept design where they drew a potato and called it a teenage girl. It looks pretty close to what you just posted. Yes, they scribbled those boards thinking "and then our sassy teen girlboss body-positive April-for-today's-youth shows them her murderboard!"
Only thing I'm getting at is that they had a seemingly different vision for April and drew her with a dumpy, possibly-intended-to-be an adult vibe. The whole thing went through some drastic revisions, either way. One of the storyboard leaks had Superfly labeled as "Baxter" in the dialog. Cynthia Utrom and all the other humans didn't have the awful designs they picked by the end. I think the concept art that's been going around came really late in development and shows this whole movie was probably a production trainwreck.
I'm just not seeing anything in the leaks that screams "this was intended to be a teacher and not a weird dumpy schoolkid working on the school paper."
Everything gets rewrites, that's not my point. Anon asked "wasn't she intended to be a teacher?" That's certainly POSSIBLE but it's more likely we just guessed wrong (understandably) when we looked at art of a fat homely-as-frick student.
The shills gave up almost immediately
Even by deletegay's standards this is mental illness.
i like how 87 look its iconic then you watch the show and its utterly dated and garbage
It's almost 40 years old
Can someone tell me one thing Mikey contributed the whole movie? He got outshined as the funny one. He didnt even make jokes or do anything fun. He had a voice too deep and just made stupid faces. He really contributed nothing the whole movie.
You're just angry because you can't make any porn of any character from this movie!
I'd settle for not having my eyes raped.
Leo is cute in the movie tho