>demon
Honestly her showing any demonic traits is just stupid. She should be 100% angel. Lilith was a human not a sinner anyways. Luci got her when she was still corporeal.
I haven't seen hellofva but frankly this lore is all fricking over the place. From this series alone we have to presume that Hell itself has a energy unto itself which corrupts/creates. Which begs the question if God doesn't exist in this setting who made Hell and condemned Lucifer to it? If hell always exists that makes no sense.
Moreover it appears they have no understanding of the mortal world. So how the frick does Adam exist? How the frick did Lucifer tempt Eve?
From what the show has told us Luci is the only entity who has been to the mortal plane and has an understanding of mortal existence.
They were together before she was a demon but I suppose so. That still begs the question, who made her a demon. The angels certain can't - otherwise Luci would likewise be a demon.
The lore is either confusing or shit. I can't tell which. Because by all rights Lillith should be a sinner at worse unless capital G is still around and managing the show.
Can someone who knows more tell me about how God works into this. People say he simply isn't canon but that makes a lot of the origin story really fricking weird.
The show is a pastiche of all Abrahamic religions, don't bother trying to make sense of it.
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>The show is a pastiche
That is NOT the issue. The issue is that it lacks internal consistency. You can say these realms exist without a creator - that's fine. We don't know our own creator. We just exist. But you can't have these elements that RELY on a Skyfather, keep them in the story, then remove the big G. This is as bad as the Hazbin is to the Bible as the Torah is to the Enuma Elis. What a mess.
3 months ago
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>The show is a pastiche of all Abrahamic religions
No it ins't, it's 100% Protestant Christianity plus a lot modern takes on christianity mostly from Marvel and South Park.
3 months ago
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O RLY?
Where does Lilith come into Protestant Christianity?
3 months ago
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She is a demon in pretty much any mainstream franchise, that's like thnking making demons beings made of fire like happened at Marvel and Lotr movies makes it inspired by Islam where they are described as made of fire.
Idk I thought we came to the conclusion well before HH came out that Viv not only doesn't know how to write women, she also vastly prefers writing men. It only makes sense that Vaggie, a lesbian in a relationship with another woman, would bear the brunt of that. Like, there's nothing boring about an angel being cast into Hell after having a crisis of faith, falling in love with its princess and having to keep her identity secret while unlearning everything she was taught and growing to see the good in people from the aforementioned princess. If Chaggie were two dudes, HH would've been so different because Viv would base the whole story around them. I would also argue that them being introduced as an already established couple was a detriment to them, and I can only assume part of why Viv did it was to keep heavy shipping drama (yeah Charlastor is more popular, but that doesn't make it canon) out of the story and because she's doing a "will they or won't they" plot in HB. I don't think there's anything wrong with Chaggie being sweet and supportive to each other, because that's the ideal endgame for most ships, and I would prefer that over forced drama and conflicts (like what happened in episode 3). And, finally, I think Vivzie falls into that way of thinking where f/f couples have to be sexless, and that anything more than a kiss and an embrace is tipping into fetishizing (notice that we'll get lots of jokes/mentions of gay and straight sex in both shows but nothing about lesbians). Like I said, we see Chaggie be sweet to each other, but it stops at kisses on the cheek and tender looks and "sweetheart". We know Vaggie and Charlie share a room and bed in the hotel, like it'd be ok if they threw in a joke about them having sex. Have Charlie give Vaggie a supportive slap on the ass or "that's not what you said last night".
Woop forgot to finish this >but Charlie is supposed to be a naive Disney princess type, she can't have sex (yet)
Charlie is also an incredibly mediocre character (it's baffling to me that people act like she's some golden goose to be won by other characters), girl would do with some spice. These threads pushing Chemily is funny to me because it would have the same problems Chaggie does: it would be bland, soft, and inoffensive. I'd say it would be even worse since Emily is the same sort of bland sweetness that Charlie is.
I like the idea of Lucifer convincing a young and maybe a bit edgier Charlie that "Well dear if you don't want the Sinners you like to get exterminated, why don't you try killing all the really shitty ones yourself first. That way the angels won't have to bother."
I find it kind of funny that Viv accidentally locked herself into needing to make Vaggie and Charlie the endgame, because after all this teasing if she actually breaks them up one of her fans is straight up gonna snap and kill her.
>because after all this teasing if she actually breaks them up one of her fans is straight up gonna snap and kill her
It didn't happen with Adventure Time and it won't happen here.
Are you implying that John Lennon was assassinated by a vengeful himejoshi who was upset that he didn't make her preferred ship canon in the Plastic Ono Band expanded universe?
She's was mine in the pilot and I doubt that'll change whenever I get around to watching the show, but I'm also not especially invested in the show and just like the angry Daria-type character who is appropriately skeptical of all the stupid shit going on around them.
Vaggie has had as much characterization as a generic thug. She does basically nothing in the show except the last episode where she got some backstory, but it was about the lamest way they could have done it. I mean Vaggie is an angel? Big whoop. Lute plucked her eye out and cut off her wings? She basically just let it happen. No rage, no epic fight defending some kid in hell, she didn't even tell Charlie her story. That's not something you keep from someone you love. She does frick all and is bland as shit in a cast of characters including a needy snake-man, a sadistic arch-demon, a gay spider, Keith David, and the yandere maid.
The biggest fricking problem? Vaggie FRICKING KNOWS no one in Heaven is supposed to know about the exorcists, and she doesn't share this with Charlie. Charlie is only focused on redemption because she thinks that the only way to stop the purge.
>Vaggie was just a regular rank and file exterminator, not the best >Didn't have any issue killing Sinners >Lost her wings because she fell in love with an angel >Lesbians not allowed in heaven >Both are cast down, the Vaggie's gf gets killed by Sinners >Never told Charlie, still has a distrust sinners but at least trusts Charlie trusting the hotel residents
Now at least Charlie finding out she's an angel would be an issue
so it'd go something like this?
>Vag is an exterminator, falls in love with another woman and gets thrown to hell >lover gets killed by sinners >falls in love with charlie and goes along with the hotel because she wants to protect charlie when the sinners get violent >charlie gets fed up with vaggies behavior and they have a falling out >reveals she was a former exterminator and tells her about the extermination being a secret >Charlie threatens heaven to give her a chance or she'll blow up the secret >heaven agrees to give her a chance to redeem a sinner (angel) >velvette finds the angel head and wants to start shit which would threaten the fragile agreement >Charlie petitions the help of the overlords to stop her but with the Vees (Vox) controlling the media war is on the horizon >race against time to redeem angel to show they can escape the extermination without war >Angel wants to cut ties with valentino but husker keeps him in line with a more depressing version of "loser" >Valentino still controls angel so Vaggie needs to go in and get him out (vaggie mistrust subplot solved + angel is free) >Overlords keep losing control over their people and ask alastor to defeat Vox since he is the last independent media outlet which ofc he wants something in return for >angel gets redeemed >war is stopped >alistor is now the overlord of overlords (insert a creepy suggestion that he planned all of this from the start and being the actual angel killer) >End of season 1
season 2 will focus on redeeming/freeing husker from alastor with the overarching plot being about heaven trying to find out who killed the angel
What if Season 1 reveals that Vox made a deal with Adam to give them the masks that literally conceal him and the angels from their righteousness and to embrace savagery, so Adam can kill more sinners (his own children) and Vox can overturn the other Overlords and maintain more profits by exploiting the fall outs of exterminations. Thus, when Vox promoted “going to war with heaven”, he’s actually getting rid of the competition. >You all will die! You all will die! - Vox in the trailer
So when Adam and the angels are in hell, Vox is the one in control who needs to be taken down. And Sir Pentious sacrificed his own life to defeat him, and allow the little one-eyed imp to kill Vox. Ending Pentious on a high note of defeating the most powerful overlord, Vox, and ending Alastor’s rivalry with him once and for all.
Because shes literally an OC character >One of the top exterminators in heaven academy >Got exiled from heaven >Got to bang the fem lead >Super "badass" >Psssh nothin personnel
I'm surprised no one has made a vaggie coldsteel edit yet
She's was mine in the pilot and I doubt that'll change whenever I get around to watching the show, but I'm also not especially invested in the show and just like the angry Daria-type character who is appropriately skeptical of all the stupid shit going on around them.
Vaggie was my favorite in the pilot as well. I liked how she was the only character that was kind enough to want to support Charlie's dream, but was also clearly dealing with her own cynicism and trust issues, believing more in Charlie than in any of the actual sinners of the hotel. I also tend to have a soft spot for the angry straight-man character of comedy dynamics.
That said, I don't think the series has given her as much to work with. In the pilot she was the bulwark trying (and failing) to protect Charlie from Alastor's manipulations, as well as the only one who was calling out Angel Dust on his bullshit for screwing up their arrangement on live television. But she hasn't had much time for serious interactions with either of them, and mainly sticks to offering a supportive word to Charlie here and there. So they haven't gotten a super interesting relationship dynamic or new development on either end so far. The angel twist was a neat idea but needed a bit more time for impact.
On top of that, I think I still miss the original pilot actress. I've enjoyed Stephanie Beatriz in other projects, but half the time she sounds weirdly flat here compared to Monica Franco.
i'm still so confused at this form change, the frick was the point of it? they barely look any different and i don't even think it's an animation thing because both designs look equally as complicated to animate
Emily's head turns into a seraph on a regular body covered in eye patterns. It's just Viv showing that she's aware of what they're supposed to look like without actually having to use good designs.
Probably to underscore the similarity of the Seraphim and Goetia without having shoving mirror match character designs down your throat all the time, it also implies Heaven wants to hide any similarities angels and demons might have.
Most of the stronger demons we've seen in hell have had a warform/true form that they can power up to. Charlie has one even. Makes sense the angels have it too.
>lucifer has """depression""" >just sits at home making ducks >is wearing a suit >a clean suit >isnt still in bed >isnt wearing the same clothes for the 4th day in a row >not tons of half open snacks and other shit
vivzie is such a fricking hack
Not really. Charlie and Emily are new blood without proper investment in their systems yet. Sarah and Luci have tried already and failed to make ground with each other. It literally would not/has not worked without the new generation. They are a necessary component because they don't have the baggage.
Moreover the only sinners who wish to improve are those who have been thoroughly victimized by other sinners. Meaning unless there's a predator the system will never complete itself. There has to be an abuser to take power away from those who reveled in it and make them regret their prior misuse of power.
The sinners aren't redeemed on their own. They wouldn't just turn over a new leaf without first being broken. Hell in Hazbin is more like purgatory.
Your depression is not my depression. Moreover Lucifer is basically one of the strongest entities in the series and can frequently be seen reality warping - which even Alister can manage. Why the frick would he have ratty ass clothes when he can will them to be better? Because he gave up on creature comforts? Nah, I don't think so.
Also this staying in bed shit is ridiculous. Lmaoing at people who do that instead of a comfort activity. Yes he should have been shown letting 'something' go out of apathy but frankly is that not the state of hell right now? He's a creator and a showman. His grandest feat is left destroying itself and he doesn't care. He got left with the shitters and hates his life. I feel bad for the guy. Frankly I don't know why he doesn't just purge hell himself and keep the least bad sinners around. It would basically be Charlie lite - and hell, it would make Charlie's idea more workable. Less negative influence = more positive growth for redeemable sinners.
>and did nothing about it
He tried convincing Charlie to boot Alastor within 5 minutes of meeting him, but she didn't budge and upsetting her by splattering him anyway would've gone against his entire reason for visiting in the first place.
That viv hate moms.
Is there a single mom in her series that not evil, missing, or dead?
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>Sera >Millie's mom
They're there, but definitely lacking. Wish we'd get an episode of Hazbin where Millie is either pregnant or gets a pregnancy scare.
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Carmille? I mean, she's an overlord but she's a pretty good mom to her daughters.
God comes back and sets things straight.
We never see Him, He never speaks, all you really see is just intense, blinding light. All the other characters are scared shitless just from being around the light.The exterminations stop, and Charlie's idea gets divine approval, the Hotel becomes Purgatory.
This series is messy as frick, but E6 was definitely the best one so far. Some of the jokes were even funny, holy shit.
The whole thing REALLY needed 3 or 4 episodes put on the front to actually do some actual establishing, though. It's going for way too many 'payoff' moments without actually setting jack shit up to earn them. Adam has been by far the strongest redeeming quality
"cuss like a 7th grader" is literally all viv knows how to do, I'm fine with her being the art lead and show runner but holy F U C K put the fricking pen down b***h
Will Pentious finally get laid before he dies for real this time?
Also Lucifer staring at Alastor is like a guy who disapproves of his daughter's new boyfriend who just got out of prison
>Will Pentious finally get laid before he dies for real this time?
According to the leaker, Cherri only starts to recuperate Pentious' feelings for her after he dies saving her.
Honestly there's a bit of hope that Pentious doesn't actually die and he in fact gets redeemed through his sacrifice and that's only revealed when season 2 happens.
Also Viv is a huge Alex Brightman fangirl, I don't see her killing off both his characters in the very first season.
>Purge starts >Everyone runs >Everyone except Cherry >One of the angels goes for the kill >Pentious takes the hit and saves Cherry >His selfless sacrifice earns him his redemption >I happens in the middle of hell, the fight fully stops >Angels can't kill him, he's officially one of them >Now there's a real reason to go to the hotel, Cherry is the first one to join, she hopes she'll see him again and thank him for saving her ass.
>Adam goes to hell >Pentious goes to heaven >Lute gets assmad and takes a swing at him >only cuts his clothes exposing two giant snake wieners >Pentious is the new Dickmaster >Adam is angrier about that than being stuck in hell
>If you think you can do a better job Anon, then why don't you take my place!
OK >I think you need an outfit change. >Holy Shit! We're really doing this?
Alastor WOULD NOT care where has this idea come from that he cares for Charlie? The only reason he was calling himself her 'sort-of' dad was to frick with Lucifer.
This.
He was fake flirting with Charlie until she introduced Vaggie as her girlfriend, and then he switched tactics completely to pretend like he's a father figure to her.
It's really obvious.
She has no charm. That whole rushed angel reveal was a last ditch attempt to make her a deep character and imo it flopped. I'd rather Emily be the lesbian love interest and Stephanie Beatriz sounds like she regrets doing this role every time she speaks. Did she even attend the premiere party?
its honestly hilarious, I hate yuri but its so obvious that Emily is a much better love interest
maybe in her heart viv still feels like Vaggie still belongs with Angel dust
I wanted more actual angel characters, I wish they didn't blow through the entirety of heaven in just one song. They shouldn't have made the guy at the gate St. Peter; maybe a assistant instead or the like while he's on vacation. I think more people would've found him weirdly cute if he wasn't such a utterly jarring depiction of the man himself
I was never particularly attached to her previous design, and it didn't really communicate what her deal was right away like Vox and Val. NuVelvet, or "Velvette", looks like a sleek girlboss She-EO, which is how she's characterized now. It still doesn't specifically communicate "fashion" or "social media", but it's probably more aligned with current trends than the previous design, which was probably more aligned with trends 4 years ago.
I figured it was a philosophical-turned-physical thing, where the real trick to Hell is that everyone is their own jailor, and the baggage you bring from your life is reflected in the physical form you take after death. Trapped in webs of your own making? Spider. Obsessed? Cyclops.
She sucked just as much dick as he did but since it's not gay for her it wasn't a sin.
The American Mafia is pretty patriarchal and usually has the women of its member outside of the business. She could just have been a normal guy that was perhaps aware of what's going on but largely stayed out of it.
She sucked just as much dick as he did but since it's not gay for her it wasn't a sin.
We also have to consider the fact that Angel was also an unstable mobster dependent on drugs. Dude probably did some awful stuff.
She sucked just as much dick as he did but since it's not gay for her it wasn't a sin.
So humans being turned into weird monster aberrations isn't just a hell thing?
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The American Mafia is pretty patriarchal and usually has the women of its member outside of the business. She could just have been a normal guy that was perhaps aware of what's going on but largely stayed out of it.
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We also have to consider the fact that Angel was also an unstable mobster dependent on drugs. Dude probably did some awful stuff.
No sexual relations before marriage.
never did drugs and seemed like a normal person
So...Even if he's 'redeemed'...Will Angel Dust actually go off to heaven? Or will he do a 'Oh...but...I don't want to leave me friends...I want to stay with them and help them help others!' and stay the Hotel anyway?
Give her some agency. The heaven episode was the perfect opportunity to have her do something. It's her former domain, this should have been her opportunity to shine, maybe have her own back and forth with her former commanders. Instead she got written out of the episode until she was needed at the very end. Maybe next episode will do something with her, but I think the writers take for granted that she's Charlie's girlfriend and expect you to just like her for that alone. Also they need to change the voice direction. I've heard the actress in other stuff so I know she's not terrible, but this performance is bad and someone is either letting it slide or actively telling her that's how she should be doing it.
Axe the Chaggie romance and pair her up with Angel again. He's the annoying tease and she's the no nonsense straightman with a side of tsundere that won't admit she finds his antics cute. Polar opposites and everything. She's not an exorcist, just another demon. Keep her OG backstory of being a murdered hooker and keep Angel an abused sex worker in hell. She's not in that scene in hell but can relate to what Angel is going through. Chaggie is so bland and forced.
>Vaggie was just a regular rank and file exterminator, not the best >Didn't have any issue killing Sinners >Lost her wings because she fell in love with an angel >Lesbians not allowed in heaven >Both are cast down, the Vaggie's gf gets killed by Sinners >Never told Charlie, still has a distrust sinners but at least trusts Charlie trusting the hotel residents
Now at least Charlie finding out she's an angel would be an issue
Have the angel reveal subplot actually lead up to something. Charlie should dump her and go full rage mode on her for concealing her past. Then Vaggie makes a rash decision to win back Charlie and sells her soul to an overlord in order to gain enough power to help Charlie realize her dreams because she'll do "whatever it takes." That would give Charlie some character development because she's been a total push over and people pleaser with zero growth so far, and it would allow Vaggie to lean into a darker obsessive BPD type of personality that would at least make her more interesting.
I am more surprised that Charlie hadn't just shoved a fist into Adam's mouth with a shout of 'So what? She's MY bae now, not yours cuck. So frick off.' Just a nice moment where the kitty claws come out from the disney princess archetype she has going on or something to that effect.
>season 1 only 8 eps long
when the frick is season 2? felt like there was a lot of unneeded fluff.. like who cares about the TV guy or spiders backstory? I mean I guess him improving is part of his redemption plot but idk it just felt out of place. I can't tell if the main plot is the invasion or the hotel anymore..
I assume they're wanting to plant seeds for the future, but if they don't bring them back for the finale it feels like they could have saved the other overlords outside of Val for next season.
I assumed Vox was going to be the main baddie after his song, but everyone kinda forgot about him.
Would you rather have a fighting game or dating game?
Fighting games are almost as low effort but unlike dating games they can add to the lore and be played openly.
Japan had the right idea. Fan Discs are easier but otherwise go a cheap fighter.
>Angels create humans >Angels also don't seem to know how anything works even though they created everything in the first place
I'm not understanding why it is they created humans in the first if there's no rules set into place or no one knows how shit works. I'm assuming this is because of that possible Roo rumor shit, which would explain why Sera keeps half-heartedly trying to explain herself but not. Like letting too many sinners into Heaven will possibly let Roo in or something.
Eve when she ate the fruit of knowledge got possessed by ROO, the "Root of All Evil". She wants to get revenge on heaven for being blamed for mankind sins.
Apparently four and half months have passed between Episode 4 and 5 and everyone is basically the same as they were in 4, So i'd say their still 'friends' as of now.
Exorcists can die. He probably just told them "Extermination? Sure whatever, don't frick with Charlie though" and they took it because it's a good deal. Then Charlie involved herself anyway. He's an ex-seraph. He'd frick the armies of heaven rightly if he wanted to. Some random c**t already offed a basic b***h angel. Luci going ham would escalate things to the point where heaven would have to commit fully to invasion or frick off. It would also potentially incite a proper uprising with the denizens of hell weighing in and not just sinners.
Hell would lose but heaven would have to eat some shit in the process.
It seems like the extermination was more of an Adam thing than a Heaven thing, so there probably wasn't a "deal" so much as Lucifer warning him about the obvious consequences of attacking the actually important parts of Hell, and Adam begrudgingly complying because Sera would flip her shit if his "hey we gotta kill hell people to stop a war" excuse immediately started a full scale war.
>hello, we're about to kill your guests as a frick you. By the way, did you know you can kill us back and that our power is not as absolute as it appears?
I meant like, before that. Maybe as a private aside to Sera at some point. Look there's like 600 things happening in this show and they're trying to shove all of it into 8 episodes and I'm just trying to keep up, I'm moronic okay.
You're not moronic, the show's moronic. It's not just biting off more than it can chew, it's deepthroating an entire horse at once because it's terrified of committing to one story at once.
Alastor's hell-turn to the dark side / betrayal will be raping Charlie [i.e. It will be a Berserk style scenario], This episode will also have a higher rating like Ep4 did.
I got the feeling he's only an awkward goof when it's about Charlie, otherwise he's just as indifferent, cold and ridiculously OP as the other big boys
Charlie will end up getting hurt somehow and he's going to get mad and reveal that he's actually le super scary unkillable demon that he hides behind a mask of being goofy, it will all be very stereotypical.
He's literally the only person who's put Alastor on the backfoot so far; radio-boy got completely blindsided by Lucifer's reality-warps. Lucifer was also completely unimpressed by Alastor's true form; I think it's pretty evident that the Radio Demon isn't remotely threatening to him.
It's a trend maintained with every actual Hell powerhouse. People who don't need to prove their worth and are simply powerful by birthright are kind of pathetic, goofy, entertaining, or otherwise not actively threatening.
Mammon is a fat Christmas tree with a clown thing going on, Asmodeus runs one (1) club personally and gives succubi their stones out, but otherwise is kind of a non-entity, really, Bee throws parties, Lucifer utterly despises his own subjects and seems to be a bit of a weirdo reclusive. They're all not really that good at being their sins, even. The Goetias are pathetic in various ways, despite being directly under the Sins in power and status.
But they all sure are far above anybody in that Warlord meeting. And, unlike the Warlords, they really don't need to prove their worth, because they're simply blessed with power - unlike Vox, for instance, who has to struggle for every crumb of it, or Alastor, who also had to prove his status, crawling up from zero reputation.
We don't know if we've seen all of heaven. In Paradiso there are multiple layers just like Hell has multiple layers in Inferno, so maybe that's how this works too.
>>but both are way over the others
I didn't claim this, and it isn't even true, Respectless and Loser baby have over 4Mil and 5Mil views each at this point.
Im personally just surprised they haven't officially uploaded Stayed Gone yet.
- Adam is gonna fall
- God exists in the show, but hasn't made an appearance yet
- Angel Dust will be redeemed, but stay in Hell anyway
- Angels in charge will get in trouble for the exterminations
- endgame is free movement between heaven and hell for redeemed souls
Lucifer still had his wings. I strongly suspect "falling" isn't actually a metaphysical thing that transforms or whatever. In reality it's just a state of mind/inability to get back to Heaven. Vaggie got hers torn off by Lute, but idt anyone in Heaven even seemed to notice she was missing apart from well, Adam ig.
that would be fricking awesome but I doubt Vivzie cares enough about her villain cast to bother. Adam will fall/die and the plot will move on from him immediately
I think the odds of Emily getting banished or falling are pretty high tbh. She literally went on stage next to lucifer's daughter and called the whole system a lie. That's gotta be like bad pr when word gets out.
Although I suppose a lot depends on how the actual process of "fallen" works
I don't have particularly strong opinions on the seraphim as of now because we really haven't seen much of them, but that could be interesting. Viv definitely has good stuff to work with here at least
God allowed angels to frick humanity up so it seems he doesn't always know or doesn't allow himself to know what is happening until after the damage has been done.
Do Alastor+Husk+Niffty+Pentious have anyone related to them in the after-life who they would like to see again? This dosen't really apply to Vaggie, Charlie and Angel Dust [all his male relatives are in hell, sister in heaven] obviously.
Alastor's mom is supposedly in heaven. Pentious may or may not have a son if that line from the pilot wasn't just a joke and is still considered canon.
There was a great fanfiction i read a long time ago [the name of which i unfortunately forgot], Where Alastor's mother whose in heaven, After over a century without her son arriving, She questions the Angels why he isn't there yet, And after finding out he's in hell [Though, Not the REASON for it], She begs to be allowed to go see him.
It contrasts an Alastor who acts mostly the same as in the Pilot/Show with the other characters with him doing the entire Bates Motel serial-killer mommas boy sthick where he gets on his knees and starts crying and burying himself in his 'maman's boobs, And panicking when he realises she's going to inevitably ask what he did to end up in hell.
That's horrifying. This is like getting probed by aliens. Imagine being that doe. You're this small, weak thing with no real to defend yourself and you're captured by these two huge hairless ape things and they shove this incomprehensible object that you KNOW isn't natural but you way to understand it. They don't even rape you personally. You don't understand why they did it to you. This is why gods and aliens are and should be horrifying to everyong, because the gap between a man and a beast is not really that big to begin with, so imagine the interaction being a man and something capable of creating a dyson sphere.
I did the maths on this a few days ago for another anon who asked the same question, but i've actually been on a bit of a campaign to grab as many Alastor's as i can over the last few days as well. So i'll try to give updated figures
>In my normal image folder i have 86 numbered Alastor's, In an older folder i have i also have 32 more numbered Alastor's. >Then I've got a number of misc, untitled shit and images of other characters where Alastor still features prominently even if its not an 'alastor image' in itself in both folders, I can't honestly be fricked to dreg through both of them top to bottom, but eyeballing it, Let me just guess around ~25 in each folder >Then my Charlastor image folders which are once more in both folders, 53 Charlastor images in one folder and 3 more saved in the other.
So collectively i have ~224 images that either solely contain Alastor or in which Alastor is a primary subject within the image.
I want an excuse to see a shirtless, Scarred Alastor in the show, I want Charlie to walk into his room or the wrong bathroom un-announced and he's got his shirt off looking himself over in the mirror or smth.
First, Adam is awesome and vivi is a moron.
Second, did they really make yet ANOTHER female pairing into dyke pandering thing? We already had this exact pairing with Harley quieen show, I think it's enough for one year hmm?
Easier to convince both (teenage) girls and men to watch a show when it's lesbians over homos, plus having your main character be "acceptable gay" looks good on paper.
Shut the frick up, you yaoi dick-riding homos have 90% of Vivzie's fujoshi attention. >Stolas/Blitzo >Moxxi/Chaz >Husk/dusk >Teasing Alastor and fricking Lucifier
Let have this one thing.
>They're canon I'll give you that one >Broken up, Chaz is dead and Moxxie is married to Millie >Platonic friendship >Debateable, seems like they despise each other
Doesn't change the fact that Vivzie has fujobrainrot and only likes writing and focusing on m/m, but her female characters are garbage and get scraps for screentime.
This b***h could actually do a relatively accurate cosplay version of New Charlie, while the outfit would cover up most of the grosser aspects of her anorexia. So win-win I guess.
Yeah, noticed that, Ausgay here too. But what do you expect of anyone unfamiliar enough with those lazy little bastards to actually believe they're soft and cuddly?
PROTIP for Americ**ts: You'd find koalas in Hell's petting zoo, not Heaven's.
Brother used to work in a wildlife park and always fun seeing women not have the actual experience live up to the expectation.
Oh, like this is a Hell puppy? >took me a while to notice there was even anything different about this puppy.
But Koalas are still little c**ts. Are they going to take away their literal demon talons in Heaven? How are they going to hold onto anything then? Frick koalas.
Angelic porn would certainly catch every sinner in hell's attention. But we don't know how much they can fight back yet. Would be amusing if Vox can mess with their LED helmets, but I doubt it, and those might only be outward displays, not like an Iron-Man hud.
I can't take Val threatening in the slightest anymore after the reveal that his contract with Angel is so fricking stupid. Why can't a single villain that Viv makes be threatening? He's such a cuck that Angel could choose not to go to the studio and he'd have no power over him.
I am also disappointed in Val, as someone who was hoping he would be a cool villain, but I kind of like Vox and Velvette so I can't complain too much. At the very least the 3 have a good team vibe.
I feel like that's why Vivzie had to add the "oh uh btw they're all invariably evil and just really like killing shit" part to Adam and the exterminators, because otherwise they're completely in the right for wanting to reduce demonic numbers
Part of the reason the duet with them works in the songs is because of how confident their movements are. The fist bumps and high fives and in your face attitude works.
Obviously that's a visual thing but it helps sell it in a way them just dancing around or standing still wouldn't.
100% agree, the visual stuff between them was great in Hell is Forever too. I especially love how it's Lute backing up Adam's choreography in Hell is Forever, and then Adam backs up Lute's verse in You Didn't Know. they honestly have such a great dynamic, I'm gonna be genuinely sad when they're inevitably unceremoniously killed off
Part of the reason the duet with them works in the songs is because of how confident their movements are. The fist bumps and high fives and in your face attitude works.
Obviously that's a visual thing but it helps sell it in a way them just dancing around or standing still wouldn't.
That and their singing voices compliment well.
>dat choreography >dat harmonization >they way they just compliment each other so well
wish we could all be so lucky to have a partner like Adam or Lute
this is the most I've ever been invested in a relationship in one of Vivzie's shows, platonic or otherwise, and I think that says a lot since we're totally meant to just hate them on principle
3 months ago
Anonymous
It's hard to hate the best, but I get it. With so many relationships to choose from it can be difficult to choose. Ngl, I'm only in it for the smart, sexy, confident monochrome goth gf and wasn't on board till this latest episode. But they just work well together, they have chemistry
3 months ago
Anonymous
this is the most I've ever been invested in a relationship in one of Vivzie's shows, platonic or otherwise, and I think that says a lot since we're totally meant to just hate them on principle
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Imagine if the ending of season 1 is Adam and Lute going back to Eden-style.
Okay someone with more brain cells than me explain what exactly does Adam's periodic purges accomplish?
If the whole reason Sera is letting them happen is to prevent an uprising of hell why not just go Old Testament on everyone's asses? Why do this yearly "oh were gonna randomly kill civilians" schtick?
From what's been shown the real heavy hitters in hell dont even get caught in the purges. The head demons are still the same like Mammon, frick sake Lucifer had a kid. How is that not a problem?
Because it's pretty obvious that deep down Sera thinks what they are doing is morally wrong and distasteful. She isn't jerking off to the genocide like Adam and Lute are. She just thinks it's necessary to cull them.
Plus overlords are only powerful so far as they have contracts with alive sinners. Alastor is something of an exception in strength, and that's implied to not even be his own. The other overlords haven't displayed the same power level and are respected because they "represent" sinners through their controlling bargains.
The actual demons themselves know not to frick with hell. Just look at Lucifer, he doesn't even contemplate a war because he knows it would be useless. The other sins are likely the same.
But that's just the thing though, you'd think heaven of all places would know the standard operating procedure of the Big G. He literally treated Noah like a USB stick and hit earth with a factory reset because some Angels got horny.
If hell is a problem they you stop it from being a problem. Either it's a jail situation so those who are truly remorseful can get parole or it's the end result in which case your solution to the problem is rather obvious.
The head of Heaven shouldn't be acting like a middle aged head of the HOA worried about the projects.
Adam surely has an ulterior motive we just haven't heard yet, probably getting back at Lilith or some such with wanton killing. To get support, though, he lies to Sera about there being an uprising plot in Hell, and she simply believes her morally-dubious subordinate wholeheartedly because she's dumb.
Do you guys feel like there was missed opportunity for making Lure Eve, she's already Adam right hand man you can even add that she feels responsible for them falling from grace and blaming Lucifer and demons adding more reason why she wants to kill demons and even adding a rift between her and Charlie, you also have a fun villainous married duo
I like her as-is. If she was Eve her role in the story would be a lot different, and while that could be interesting, we wouldn't have the same Lute which is just like a sidekick for Adam (and that's how it should be)
It's even implied he created the exorcists himself, which is why they all have his horns and wear masks, so them being entirely 'Adam' is good.
Nah, Lute being Adam's loyal Lieutenant fits her role. I couldn't see Eve and Adam fist bumping. Not that they wouldn't or couldn't, but it's easier to see a second-in-command following her bosses orders with how Adam's character has been shown to us
I mean wouldn't Eve being his second in command be better than just her being name dropped in the first episode and then never being mentioned again I mean you already villainizing the first man and she was specifically created to be his partner
I see it as making the audience question her absence so we'll hopefully get some reveal of what she's doing later on. I don't keep up with everything, so only taking her name drop in the first episode, we can assume that *something* *might* be going on, but we just don't know. I don't normally try to question an artist's choice, especially when there's nothing we can do to change what has been created. Better to simply enjoy the raid and wait patiently for what we get
Just imagining Verbalase watching and feeling the same way: >be Verbalse >literally blow your $50k load too early on Charlie >see Lute >tfw no $50k to spend on her >poor, sad Verbalase
I can't identify with the $50k waifu shit, but I could relate to the mental switch.
Then you see lighting strike the sign and change it to the HAPPY ENDING HOTEL.
Also if there are other parts that haven't been leaked I'm really going to lose faith in my fellow anon. Back in my day, the Internet used to stand for something.
Nah, Lute being Adam's loyal Lieutenant fits her role. I couldn't see Eve and Adam fist bumping. Not that they wouldn't or couldn't, but it's easier to see a second-in-command following her bosses orders with how Adam's character has been shown to us
Or maybe she's using her angelic power to make it seem pristine, and when she puts on the helmet it's because she's pissed and thus gets too distracted?
[...]
One might suspect that the blood showing up with mask is like a divine stain judging them for their murders like the mark of cain but Viv isn't that deep
[...]
Perhaps the blood is a holographic projection intended as a psychological weapon
it's an animation error.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Your mom is an animation error and I came inside her yesterday. Boom.
3 months ago
Anonymous
anons i think think this show is changing us
3 months ago
Anonymous
Anons as a breed are always pretty tasteless and prone to using immature humor. It's more like convergent evolution.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Fricking gottem
3 months ago
Anonymous
unlikely, the red splots appear literally on-screen, not during a cut, i'd argue it was an intentional choice to make the blood re-appear at this exact time when she put back on her exorcist helmet
3 months ago
Anonymous
The red blood, anon!
What does it mean?
3 months ago
Anonymous
unlikely, the red splots appear literally on-screen, not during a cut, i'd argue it was an intentional choice to make the blood re-appear at this exact time when she put back on her exorcist helmet
>Lute without her mask loses her bloodthirsty murdererous qualities, so she needed to put it on to regain them. >Lute, as Adam’s new other half, reveals Adam’s biggest and true weakness. >Adam without the mask loses his ability to be the unstable terrorfying sex-obsessed monster.
[...]
Perhaps the blood is a holographic projection intended as a psychological weapon
One might suspect that the blood showing up with mask is like a divine stain judging them for their murders like the mark of cain but Viv isn't that deep
Considering you just end up the building blocks of hell when you "die" it's not even murder, just a very violent cheer pyramid or an eternal game of twister.
Nah, Lute being Adam's loyal Lieutenant fits her role. I couldn't see Eve and Adam fist bumping. Not that they wouldn't or couldn't, but it's easier to see a second-in-command following her bosses orders with how Adam's character has been shown to us
Adam and Lute need the suits and the mask to access the worst aspects of themselves and to overshadow the original personalities. Aka, Lute and Adam are practically unable to enforce their roles as exterminators without them.
[...] >dat choreography >dat harmonization >they way they just compliment each other so well
wish we could all be so lucky to have a partner like Adam or Lute
100% agree, the visual stuff between them was great in Hell is Forever too. I especially love how it's Lute backing up Adam's choreography in Hell is Forever, and then Adam backs up Lute's verse in You Didn't Know. they honestly have such a great dynamic, I'm gonna be genuinely sad when they're inevitably unceremoniously killed off
Nah, Lute being Adam's loyal Lieutenant fits her role. I couldn't see Eve and Adam fist bumping. Not that they wouldn't or couldn't, but it's easier to see a second-in-command following her bosses orders with how Adam's character has been shown to us
Knowing Viv, couples like Adam and Lute are given plot armor because.”I like them and their romance” (Fizz and Ozzie) while Val and Vox are in her “I hate this guy so much” box (Stella and her brother). It doesn’t help that Vox (the symbol and authority of escapism that brainwashes you) is hevaiiy connected to the exterminations with how heavily technology based he is, in opposed to Adam, whom is treated to be more of primitive animal.
I wonder if the joke outcome is Adam breaking free into the wilderness of Heaven with Lute begrudgingly joining him. To show him finally moving on from losing Eve and fully embracing his new “an help”.
Adam and Lute is given more love by Viv and her crew than AngelHusk, CharlieVag, and SerCherri. With implications that Adam is still depressed on losing Eve and Eve being possessed by Evil, having him finally move on, break free from the digital chains (the mask), and revealing his true face/personality will be the grand finale moment.
[...] >Lute without her mask loses her bloodthirsty murdererous qualities, so she needed to put it on to regain them. >Lute, as Adam’s new other half, reveals Adam’s biggest and true weakness. >Adam without the mask loses his ability to be the unstable terrorfying sex-obsessed monster.
What if, like Sinners/Demons, Angels have alternate forms? We already see Sera and Emily morph, who's to say that Adam and Lute don't morph as well? Lute just so happens to get blood back on her for whatever reason. The "blood she's spilled" or some other metaphor.
But what we do know is her and others are spouting lies in an attempt to sway the weak willed down the path of evil.
Souls don't have time to think in hell from all the eternal pain they'll be in. Yet for some reason you can just walk around as if you owned the place.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Don't spout out heresy. Nobody knows the hour of judgement day, not even Jesus
Much sooner than that. Jesus is coming within a few years.
>she's trying to make hell look like a b***hin place.
Don't worry. She'll be proven wrong in about 30 or 40 years, assuming she lives that long
Viz knows where she's going so she's trying to make hell look like a b***hin place.
Sadly her like most all moronic heathens are misguided.
>Two more weeks until everyone i dislike is thrown into magic lava. >This time i promise.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Magic lava is a bit too prosaic for my taste. I would much rather they be unequivocally erased from existence, rather than still being and theoretically capable of continuing to make things worse for all eternity.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>magic lava
It's fire.
Also I don't want people I dislike to be thrown into hell but I would appreciate it if they realize they are writing shitty stories that make them look moronic and that hell isn't "yo it's so fricking lit down here we get to frick and suck and do drugs and murder and kill all the time. All those prudes in heaven are lame lol they're just hypocrites."
That literally what moronic internet atheists say.
The Lucifer/Alastor duet is absolutely exploding on Amazon Primes channel, I won't be surprised if soars past 2Million views by the end of the day.
Reminded of anons post from the other day about how you can literally colour-correct every single character with this mouth template in the show and turn them into SmileDog.jpg
>loving the duet >instantly ruined by Mimsy
I'm not sure how they could've ended it another way though. Maybe having the two lose the rhythm and drop the instrumentals but holy shit Mimsy fricking sucks. I guess that fits her character, but I hope we don't see much of her, or I hope she heavily changes her intros to not frick up great songs
The play in question is the musical adaptation of Mel Brook's "Young Frankenstein". Megan Mullaly -mostly known for playing Karen in Will an Grace- plays in that show the "harpy" of a fiancee for Viktor Frankenstein.
it'd be funny if Hitler manifested in hell literally indistinguishable from his human appearance, and has just been meandering around hell un harmed all that time.
It's so sad we can't have historical figures because they were apparently so bad that they faded away into nothing. Imagine if like Misc Pot was like the comedic relief and whenever he does something silly, the person next to him chides and says. "Oh Misc Pot." while wagging their finger.
it'd be funny if Hitler manifested in hell literally indistinguishable from his human appearance, and has just been meandering around hell un harmed all that time.
And he gets hired on to head up the arts and crafts activities at the hotel.
this
It's so sad we can't have historical figures because they were apparently so bad that they faded away into nothing. Imagine if like Misc Pot was like the comedic relief and whenever he does something silly, the person next to him chides and says. "Oh Misc Pot." while wagging their finger.
according to Viv, racists get instantly zapped out of existance before even reaching hell... which ironically is better than even going to heaven in the hasbin universe given what a shitshow it is. So all the coolest people in history are neither in heaven or hell
The issues are >What can kill Adam? >Why would they try to kill Adam if they know it makes everything worse? >Only an angel could kill an angel in this setting. >What’s the point of establishing need for Lute and Vaggie to put on the mask to be killers >What’s the point of establishing Vox’s full on control over Hell’s residence using the exterminations against them and his power to brainwash others to his bidding via technology? Meaning, his plans to “war against heaven” are a trick and he could be supplying the maks to the exterminators, making profits on both sides. >It makes more sense for Alastor’s assistant to kill the weakest V, Vox, instead of the strongest man, Adam. >Lute, Charlie, and Lucifer would absolutely care if Adam died. They wouldn’t care if Vox died. >Vox’s death would completely change exterminations as a whole. Adam’s death would enforce them more frequently and violently.
>What can kill Adam?
Lucifer. >Why would they try to kill Adam if they know it makes everything worse?
Lucifer's clearly very motivated by keeping his daughter safe, enough so to disregard consequences, and it's not like he cares any about his kingdom. It exists to punish him - if Hell comes down to take revenge, all they'd do is make his punishment easier. >Only an angel could kill an angel in this setting.
Angelic weapons, not angel. Those weapons are all over the place in Hell, they're just very pricy.
Imo Lucifer being functionally a loose cannon with overwhelming angelic might at his fingertips is the way Adam dies, if he dies. It just makes sense - especially if this all is Lilith's plan to drag her husband out of his malaise, and manipulating both Heaven and Hell into clashing so he'd be forced to act could be it.
If Adam dies, this show becomes utterly unsalvagable. And conflict-wise, it’s better if Adam and the angels are more like the time-limit and obstacles rather than the main deal for Lucifer to easily deal with.
Since the masks are clearly shown to be influencing Adam and the angels to act this mercilessly violent, it makes more sense if they try to turn them off by destroying the source their power/signal.
Adam dying makes a lot of sense from a Doylist perspective - he's a pushover antagonist who's crass, basic and offensive. He's not some sort of a mastermind who's got where he got because of wits, he's basically Heaven royalty by virtue of being the absentee King's beloved creation.
The main Heaven antagonist seems to be the thus-far missing Speaker of God, who'd probably be that overarching antagonist. Adam's basic, Sera is understandable and redeemable, humanly weak, so there's still the spot for somebody who isn't redeemable, yet more graceful in villainy.
Killing Adam is like getting all of his sons and daughters to instantly go world war game over on Hell. Vivzie is a moron. What makes her think that if Abraham or Noah is killed by sinners, israelites, Christians, and angels won’t make hell absolutely dead?
It’s better if Adam is forcefully removed from his unnatural techno mask (which Lute also needs to be violent) and it’s used to foreshadow Eve being possessed by her own Roo.
3 months ago
Anonymous
If I had to guess, Adam dies, then Speaker of God finally shows up, steps in, stops the war and goes 'you've got a year to prove your hotel thing actually works while I do my job and try to speak to God about this'. It'd let the show go back to redemption antics while keeping the whole war plot as something that can fire anytime, but isn't front and center.
3 months ago
Anonymous
The biggest issue here is that in the trailer, Vox is screaming “You all will &@&&&& die” over and over, when the extermination is happening.
And by looking at Adam and the angels, they all have digital Vox-like masks on. (No angels in heaven have techno themes and Adam lived and died without technology)
It is also confirmed that Vox will be in the last two episodes. Meaning he is either a minor character or he’s secretly the true main antagonist of the season and that tries to use this extermination to kill off Alastor and the other overlords once and for all.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Waitwaitwait
Vox used to be a televangelist, yeah? So that kinda makes sense that he eventually was able to form ties to the Exterminators
3 months ago
Anonymous
Oh shit. He is the true season 1 villain the leaker was talking about.
It’s no wonder Sir Pentious (the who wants to beat overlords) and the antagonist was killed by Nifty.
The antagonist they are against isn’t Adam. It’s Vox. The infamous overlord who wants to trample over Alastor.
Since Vivzie thought she only had one season, it makes the most sense if resolving the Vox vs Alaster rivalry was on top of her list as well as getting Sir Pentious into heaven. And, freeing Adam from his own Roo (Vox’s mask).
3 months ago
Anonymous
interesting. i'm going to keep this in mind for next week, to see if Vox theory becomes true or not. there was a lot of time spent on him in episode 2, it'd be weird if it was for nothing
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah. Especially since Viv assumed she wouldn’t get a second season.
This means that she had very few scenes to establish Vox, Adam, and Lute. Meaning, it’s important to notice that Lute acts differently when she puts on the mask, and Adam never ever takes it off.
Or how in the background details, exterminations gotten far worse as Vox became more powerful and was the one who best exploited them for profit.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>getting Sir Pentious into heaven
As much as I like Pentious and am bummed by the extremely likely leak it never stated that he goes to heaven and I think he will simply be the final casualty of the extermination and his soul will be destroyed and what energy remains will probably end up as an eye on a piece of the hotels wall. Of course depending on the reaction to his death we might get Viv to force her team to expand upon the ideas of purgatory and we might see Pentious again but that's wild speculation.
the song was too fun > Lucifer singing "thanks dad!" to himself >Alastor being a b***h about not being the center of the universe > The clog was, as a matter of fact, Nifty > The dramatic golden fiddle solo
Does anyone have a gif of that point during the Lucifer+Alastor song when Alastor is at the top of the stairs with Charlie and the giant Neon heads of them are bobbing back and forth? [picrel]
considering Alastor is leashed to Lilith, I wonder what his thoughts on Lucifer are considering their relationship, I guess he is projecting some of his distaste of his entrapment onto Lucifer
This pic just reminds me they took away the only pink/red feature that wasn't overdoing it. Charlies eyeshadow. Her eyelids were only dark sometimes for effect, and don't need to be in that scene.
Why Viv? What were you thinking? Take away another good aspect, and mode/range of expression.
Go look up Viv's decription of Lilith, she outright says that Lilith "wears the pants in the relationship" and "behind every great man is a greater woman" or in otherwords Lucifer is beta male she kicks around and steps out on.
This show is written by a fat California spinster, there is not going to be a postive portral of a straight male leader.
I forgor his name but he's the dad of the Von Eldritch family, supposed to be overlords but who knows anymore.
Also you guys think Lucifer will become more of a regular, making more appearances ?
There are only 2 episodes left this season, and I don't get the impression that Lucifer is going to fight the exterminators. Won't really know what to expect for season 2 without knowing what the new status quo is. If the exterminations are toned down or stopped then it'll be more personal stories of people working towards and probably failing redemption. Doesn't really sound like a job for this Lucifer.
It would be interesting if Lucifer had something interesting to say to Adam. That is, it's not just a pissing match with "frick you"s or "muh dick" without some substance behind their words
>"Oh my gosh, I would literally die if anything I was involved in made it to Broadway or was in a Broadway anything. So yes, absolutely. And it's fun, it's been mentioned so many times about what a live-action adaption would be like, and I'm like, 'Oh my gosh, that's such a big idea and concept.' I mean someday it would be incredible, but you know, I have no idea. It really does, every song feels like it could be onstage. The songwriters killed it with that."
He is most probably owned by Lilith, absolutely super-hates the fact, and since Lilith is still Lucifer's husband and wishes the best for him, he's trying to get back at her by way of irritating Charlie's somewhat absentee father.
He's also egotistical and clearly enjoys being the center of everybody's attention. You really can't do that when the literal King of Hell is in the room.
He's clearly fricking with Lucifer, not entirely sure why. Mostly for laughs I guess, but maybe if he's on Lilith's leash she wants him to do it either because they're separated or to spur him into action.
>if they just meet a few days ago
Oh... anon... remember when, in the first episode, Adam said they'd return in 6 months? In this last episode Adam says he'll see them in 1 month. So about 5 months have passed since Charlie and Alastor met. Plenty of time for them to develop a Daddy Dom/little girl dynamic
>Sight is our most important sense. However, most spiders have very poor eyesight and many are active during the dark night hours. With a few notable exceptions, their sense of the world is obtained through specialised sensory hairs and pit-like sense organs in the cuticle. These hair and pit sensillae are especially associated with the spider's limbs and mouthparts. Connected at their bases to sensory nerves, they provide spiders with the sensory experience and feedback needed to survive and function in their world.
The wings seem pretty demonic, so I'd guess it could be some sort of a very physical confirmation that she's stuck in Hell for good. Could be a boon from Charlie's parents or some shit.
No air to breathe, there's probably some defense or even other supernatural barrier between the spaces, and it doesn't seem like anyone in hell is too interested in trying to get in heaven since that's kind of the point of the Hotel.
how come Angel Dust or any of the others didn't care when Sir Pentious got dragged into that sex room and he was clawing at the floor? They walked right by it happening
To start, yes, but now he seems to really want to try bettering himself. When Sir Pentious arrived and everyone was praising him for him trying Angel got visibly upset
He said he was going to have sex with everyone. They figured he'd be fine cause the club is called "Consent". He didn't call a Safeword either, so it's not like Pentious even believed he was in danger. He was just getting cold feet
I can't figure out if he got raped or not. He had all his clothes on when he came back, but he doesn't exactly have pants either. And he was panting a bit too. Was he running away and fighting people in that room?
>husk can't say shit to Alastor >But Alastor is on Liliths leash >if Husk dies Angel&Charlie get upset >ergo Lilith also gets upset >Alastor will also die
Why is he so scared?
'Charlie is upset over Hell being Hell' is an everyday occurrence. If Alastor really wanted to, he could bullshit together an excuse or two and replace Husk.
>hey so we only have 8 episodes should we cut down the story to fit >nah just throw the resolution of every single thread we thought of in there with absolutely no buildup, whatever
The conclusions of madmen
I think its simple, She's using season 1 to frontload literally ALL of the worldbuilding and introduce ALL of the characters who need at least an episode to be introduced. And leave whatever BIG SHIT she wants to do with all these introduced elements and characters for later seasons.
I think its basically confirmed at this point that Season 1 will end with them somehow defeating/killing/fending off Lute and Adam and getting over the baby's first antagonist/foil to the main cast, And the Hotel and Charlie's 'redemption project' being accepted and formalised by heaven because Emily intervenes - Or something to that effect.
So then Season 2 and potentially onwards will open with them actually trying to get people 'redeemed, And during that process 'whatever' faux-Lilith/Root/Eve/something-not-spoiled-yet/etc ACTUAL threat which is 'worse then Adam and Lute' will be revealed and then the actual BIG SHIT will start happening. Along with closing other plot-lines which were introduced in season one like the V.V.V.'s and so forth.
I don't necessarily 'agree' with this logic of constructing and pacing the show, but a method is there nonetheless.
They're not going to do that, on account of not even trying to touch Angel's backstory shit, which is apparently pretty vast. You just now got to see a peek at his Heaven-dwelling sister.
Most probably outcome is, they'll off Adam here, have a new Heaven big bad show up and that'll be the theme for the next seasons, but this time you get a nice little story that's halfway complete.
I hope full demon powers Charlie appears next week? Are we ready for it? Is her demon form just the red eyes and flaring hair, or is there going to be so much more? If Alastor can grow giant, how big can Charlie get?
I'm still not watching the show but that's based
Charlie has a thing for Angel girls
I mean, isn't she a demon/angel hapa already? She'd just be following her parents' example
What Lilith and Eve were also lesbians.
Knowing viv that more then 10% chance of happening
This world has already made Eve a lesbian who marries a demon from hell in the Lucifer show so there's a 50% chance.
>eve married a demon
Uh no? Lilith did. We don't know what happened to Eve after the apple in this.
I mean there's a tv show called Lucifer where Eve marries a demon child of Lilith named Mazikeen at the end.
I hope he's black.
>demon
Honestly her showing any demonic traits is just stupid. She should be 100% angel. Lilith was a human not a sinner anyways. Luci got her when she was still corporeal.
I haven't seen hellofva but frankly this lore is all fricking over the place. From this series alone we have to presume that Hell itself has a energy unto itself which corrupts/creates. Which begs the question if God doesn't exist in this setting who made Hell and condemned Lucifer to it? If hell always exists that makes no sense.
Moreover it appears they have no understanding of the mortal world. So how the frick does Adam exist? How the frick did Lucifer tempt Eve?
From what the show has told us Luci is the only entity who has been to the mortal plane and has an understanding of mortal existence.
Didnt lilith become the first demon when going to hell?
And luci and lilith had charlie in hell, so she is half demon, half angel.
They were together before she was a demon but I suppose so. That still begs the question, who made her a demon. The angels certain can't - otherwise Luci would likewise be a demon.
The lore is either confusing or shit. I can't tell which. Because by all rights Lillith should be a sinner at worse unless capital G is still around and managing the show.
Can someone who knows more tell me about how God works into this. People say he simply isn't canon but that makes a lot of the origin story really fricking weird.
The show is a pastiche of all Abrahamic religions, don't bother trying to make sense of it.
>The show is a pastiche
That is NOT the issue. The issue is that it lacks internal consistency. You can say these realms exist without a creator - that's fine. We don't know our own creator. We just exist. But you can't have these elements that RELY on a Skyfather, keep them in the story, then remove the big G. This is as bad as the Hazbin is to the Bible as the Torah is to the Enuma Elis. What a mess.
>The show is a pastiche of all Abrahamic religions
No it ins't, it's 100% Protestant Christianity plus a lot modern takes on christianity mostly from Marvel and South Park.
O RLY?
Where does Lilith come into Protestant Christianity?
She is a demon in pretty much any mainstream franchise, that's like thnking making demons beings made of fire like happened at Marvel and Lotr movies makes it inspired by Islam where they are described as made of fire.
Angel girls want that clown pussy
Charlie always seems to have a "thing" for anyone that isn't Vaggie. Is Viv into cucking???
We Nefcy 2.0 now.
No, it's just that Viv knows better than anyone that all the 'bi' bullshit is fricking nonsense.
She's probably done exactly the same shit to all her supposed lesbian "girlfriends", and she's writing from experience.
So I know it happens a lot in real life, but do we have any Cinemaphile examples of bi girls cucking their lesbian girlfriends?
Lower Decks.
I mean, this whole time I'd been assuming Vaggie was probably a relatively recently fallen angel from the ranks of heaven's grunts.
Again, how can viv fail so bad at yuri. That this random girl in one episode has more chemistry in one song then anything with vaggie.
Because Viv can only do fujoshit and bad fujoshit at that
Because vegana only exists for Charlie to be a lesbian
That's it
cause vaggie was never supposed to be with charlie in the first place, she was originally paired with angel dust
All this could be fixed if Charlie and Vaggie have a single date or romantic moment. The problem is that they just seem like platonic friends.
Idk I thought we came to the conclusion well before HH came out that Viv not only doesn't know how to write women, she also vastly prefers writing men. It only makes sense that Vaggie, a lesbian in a relationship with another woman, would bear the brunt of that. Like, there's nothing boring about an angel being cast into Hell after having a crisis of faith, falling in love with its princess and having to keep her identity secret while unlearning everything she was taught and growing to see the good in people from the aforementioned princess. If Chaggie were two dudes, HH would've been so different because Viv would base the whole story around them. I would also argue that them being introduced as an already established couple was a detriment to them, and I can only assume part of why Viv did it was to keep heavy shipping drama (yeah Charlastor is more popular, but that doesn't make it canon) out of the story and because she's doing a "will they or won't they" plot in HB. I don't think there's anything wrong with Chaggie being sweet and supportive to each other, because that's the ideal endgame for most ships, and I would prefer that over forced drama and conflicts (like what happened in episode 3). And, finally, I think Vivzie falls into that way of thinking where f/f couples have to be sexless, and that anything more than a kiss and an embrace is tipping into fetishizing (notice that we'll get lots of jokes/mentions of gay and straight sex in both shows but nothing about lesbians). Like I said, we see Chaggie be sweet to each other, but it stops at kisses on the cheek and tender looks and "sweetheart". We know Vaggie and Charlie share a room and bed in the hotel, like it'd be ok if they threw in a joke about them having sex. Have Charlie give Vaggie a supportive slap on the ass or "that's not what you said last night".
Woop forgot to finish this
>but Charlie is supposed to be a naive Disney princess type, she can't have sex (yet)
Charlie is also an incredibly mediocre character (it's baffling to me that people act like she's some golden goose to be won by other characters), girl would do with some spice. These threads pushing Chemily is funny to me because it would have the same problems Chaggie does: it would be bland, soft, and inoffensive. I'd say it would be even worse since Emily is the same sort of bland sweetness that Charlie is.
I like the idea of Lucifer convincing a young and maybe a bit edgier Charlie that "Well dear if you don't want the Sinners you like to get exterminated, why don't you try killing all the really shitty ones yourself first. That way the angels won't have to bother."
It's better than "Poison Ivy and Harley Quinn 2.0."
Women can't write good Yuri. Men can't write good Yaoi. Simple fact of nature.
All the best yuri are written by women.
Even women who aren't trying to write yuri write the best yuri.
How would Sera react to there marriage?
I find it kind of funny that Viv accidentally locked herself into needing to make Vaggie and Charlie the endgame, because after all this teasing if she actually breaks them up one of her fans is straight up gonna snap and kill her.
>because after all this teasing if she actually breaks them up one of her fans is straight up gonna snap and kill her
It didn't happen with Adventure Time and it won't happen here.
Adventure Time wasn't run by a demented yaoi fetishist
it was run by a yuri fetishist but still
Anon the gays who were going to burn down WB studios were Bubbline Sugarshits which causes them to double down more.
I don't think so
Viv is clearly catering hardest to and propped up by fujos. A handful of /u/ twitterBlack folk are basically nothing
That's what John Lennon thought.
Are you implying that John Lennon was assassinated by a vengeful himejoshi who was upset that he didn't make her preferred ship canon in the Plastic Ono Band expanded universe?
You think viv is surprised that Maggie is the least popular character?
I never see anyone claim she there favorite character?
I think Vaggie is prettier than Charlie as of their new designs but yeh she's very boring.
She's was mine in the pilot and I doubt that'll change whenever I get around to watching the show, but I'm also not especially invested in the show and just like the angry Daria-type character who is appropriately skeptical of all the stupid shit going on around them.
Vaggie has had as much characterization as a generic thug. She does basically nothing in the show except the last episode where she got some backstory, but it was about the lamest way they could have done it. I mean Vaggie is an angel? Big whoop. Lute plucked her eye out and cut off her wings? She basically just let it happen. No rage, no epic fight defending some kid in hell, she didn't even tell Charlie her story. That's not something you keep from someone you love. She does frick all and is bland as shit in a cast of characters including a needy snake-man, a sadistic arch-demon, a gay spider, Keith David, and the yandere maid.
The biggest fricking problem? Vaggie FRICKING KNOWS no one in Heaven is supposed to know about the exorcists, and she doesn't share this with Charlie. Charlie is only focused on redemption because she thinks that the only way to stop the purge.
so it'd go something like this?
>Vag is an exterminator, falls in love with another woman and gets thrown to hell
>lover gets killed by sinners
>falls in love with charlie and goes along with the hotel because she wants to protect charlie when the sinners get violent
>charlie gets fed up with vaggies behavior and they have a falling out
>reveals she was a former exterminator and tells her about the extermination being a secret
>Charlie threatens heaven to give her a chance or she'll blow up the secret
>heaven agrees to give her a chance to redeem a sinner (angel)
>velvette finds the angel head and wants to start shit which would threaten the fragile agreement
>Charlie petitions the help of the overlords to stop her but with the Vees (Vox) controlling the media war is on the horizon
>race against time to redeem angel to show they can escape the extermination without war
>Angel wants to cut ties with valentino but husker keeps him in line with a more depressing version of "loser"
>Valentino still controls angel so Vaggie needs to go in and get him out (vaggie mistrust subplot solved + angel is free)
>Overlords keep losing control over their people and ask alastor to defeat Vox since he is the last independent media outlet which ofc he wants something in return for
>angel gets redeemed
>war is stopped
>alistor is now the overlord of overlords (insert a creepy suggestion that he planned all of this from the start and being the actual angel killer)
>End of season 1
season 2 will focus on redeeming/freeing husker from alastor with the overarching plot being about heaven trying to find out who killed the angel
What if Season 1 reveals that Vox made a deal with Adam to give them the masks that literally conceal him and the angels from their righteousness and to embrace savagery, so Adam can kill more sinners (his own children) and Vox can overturn the other Overlords and maintain more profits by exploiting the fall outs of exterminations. Thus, when Vox promoted “going to war with heaven”, he’s actually getting rid of the competition.
>You all will die! You all will die! - Vox in the trailer
So when Adam and the angels are in hell, Vox is the one in control who needs to be taken down. And Sir Pentious sacrificed his own life to defeat him, and allow the little one-eyed imp to kill Vox. Ending Pentious on a high note of defeating the most powerful overlord, Vox, and ending Alastor’s rivalry with him once and for all.
Because shes literally an OC character
>One of the top exterminators in heaven academy
>Got exiled from heaven
>Got to bang the fem lead
>Super "badass"
>Psssh nothin personnel
I'm surprised no one has made a vaggie coldsteel edit yet
Vaggie is a cuck. That dismiss her as an OC
it not be a OC that bad, it having no personailty nor looking cute.
Also having the worst voice actor.
Here you go anon
Damn... a fallen ANGLE.... not a fallen angel as one might expect.
I wonder what kind of angle she was? 30 degrees? 69 degrees? Certainly not a right angle!
Holy shit this is some deepest lore.
I don't mean to be obtuse, but she's kind of acute
What acutie
Yeah khaoskid663 is a mega homosexual Roblox scammer
Vaggie was my favorite in the pilot as well. I liked how she was the only character that was kind enough to want to support Charlie's dream, but was also clearly dealing with her own cynicism and trust issues, believing more in Charlie than in any of the actual sinners of the hotel. I also tend to have a soft spot for the angry straight-man character of comedy dynamics.
That said, I don't think the series has given her as much to work with. In the pilot she was the bulwark trying (and failing) to protect Charlie from Alastor's manipulations, as well as the only one who was calling out Angel Dust on his bullshit for screwing up their arrangement on live television. But she hasn't had much time for serious interactions with either of them, and mainly sticks to offering a supportive word to Charlie here and there. So they haven't gotten a super interesting relationship dynamic or new development on either end so far. The angel twist was a neat idea but needed a bit more time for impact.
On top of that, I think I still miss the original pilot actress. I've enjoyed Stephanie Beatriz in other projects, but half the time she sounds weirdly flat here compared to Monica Franco.
It's even fricking worse than pearl and rose yurigaya how did we end up with Marceline and prince bubblegum as the best lesbian shipping?
yuri has always being dogshit you can't fix things that are inherently broken
I'm trans btw
you never gonna be one <3
Image full angel Emily and full demon Charlie in bed.
i'm still so confused at this form change, the frick was the point of it? they barely look any different and i don't even think it's an animation thing because both designs look equally as complicated to animate
It's literally just a "muh biblically-accurate angels" flex.
but they're not, that's what i don't understand, if they had actual fricked up weird ethereal forms i'd get it, but they're barely any different
Emily's head turns into a seraph on a regular body covered in eye patterns. It's just Viv showing that she's aware of what they're supposed to look like without actually having to use good designs.
cheaper
Probably to underscore the similarity of the Seraphim and Goetia without having shoving mirror match character designs down your throat all the time, it also implies Heaven wants to hide any similarities angels and demons might have.
In mean Charlie has horn and can go full demon so maybe it something like that
Most of the stronger demons we've seen in hell have had a warform/true form that they can power up to. Charlie has one even. Makes sense the angels have it too.
I bet you its to compare and contrast them to Solas and his species. All the demons and angels have vaguely animal motifs.
>Emily turns black
>lucifer has """depression"""
>just sits at home making ducks
>is wearing a suit
>a clean suit
>isnt still in bed
>isnt wearing the same clothes for the 4th day in a row
>not tons of half open snacks and other shit
vivzie is such a fricking hack
Lucifer's blackpilled ideology got dunked hard. Guy is pathetic.
Not really. Charlie and Emily are new blood without proper investment in their systems yet. Sarah and Luci have tried already and failed to make ground with each other. It literally would not/has not worked without the new generation. They are a necessary component because they don't have the baggage.
Moreover the only sinners who wish to improve are those who have been thoroughly victimized by other sinners. Meaning unless there's a predator the system will never complete itself. There has to be an abuser to take power away from those who reveled in it and make them regret their prior misuse of power.
The sinners aren't redeemed on their own. They wouldn't just turn over a new leaf without first being broken. Hell in Hazbin is more like purgatory.
great post
As the king he probably has servants that weren't relevant to depict on screen.
Your depression is not my depression. Moreover Lucifer is basically one of the strongest entities in the series and can frequently be seen reality warping - which even Alister can manage. Why the frick would he have ratty ass clothes when he can will them to be better? Because he gave up on creature comforts? Nah, I don't think so.
Also this staying in bed shit is ridiculous. Lmaoing at people who do that instead of a comfort activity. Yes he should have been shown letting 'something' go out of apathy but frankly is that not the state of hell right now? He's a creator and a showman. His grandest feat is left destroying itself and he doesn't care. He got left with the shitters and hates his life. I feel bad for the guy. Frankly I don't know why he doesn't just purge hell himself and keep the least bad sinners around. It would basically be Charlie lite - and hell, it would make Charlie's idea more workable. Less negative influence = more positive growth for redeemable sinners.
Don't touch or ruin his snacks!
What more do you expect from this thing?
I mean look at it.
>lord of pride
>got roasted by charlie's creepy friend and did nothing about it
>and did nothing about it
He tried convincing Charlie to boot Alastor within 5 minutes of meeting him, but she didn't budge and upsetting her by splattering him anyway would've gone against his entire reason for visiting in the first place.
Very fitting
more like doesn't understand this world is full of big homosexual psshh some kingdom am I right?
Fictional Lucifer is mostly Hades
Which makes me wonder how those series about christianity would be if another mythology was shilled by the media all the time instead of Greek.
They're both fictional though.
If real Lucifer is so weak, how come religious nuts are always absolutely fricking terrified of him?
people were terrified of goblins before christianity
Here's what i think about Viv's dykes!!
Charlie and Emily are pure
Baggie is the shit
Charlie is going to get a upgrade, her current angel slampiece is broken.
What Emily like Sera daughter?
Can angels have kids?
Charlie is literally the child of an angel
Yeah but he married a human.
Something's telling me that Sera not the type for romance
Nah, she is 100% married to and has baby making missionary sex with a human male.
I dear there going to make her heaven stella
And Stella fricks human men. What's your point?
That viv hate moms.
Is there a single mom in her series that not evil, missing, or dead?
>Sera
>Millie's mom
They're there, but definitely lacking. Wish we'd get an episode of Hazbin where Millie is either pregnant or gets a pregnancy scare.
Carmille? I mean, she's an overlord but she's a pretty good mom to her daughters.
Emily is Sera's sister. How do u morons not know this? They state it openly.
This show needs more Vox and Velvet screen time https://youtu.be/Ig6PrTLOtlE?t=43
AHEM FRICK ALASTOR. REMOVE VAGGIE AND LUCIFER FROM THE CAST AND PUT THEM IN THE KEK SHED
She's scared a cute girl with a actual character will still her gf
this art is so fricking incomplete
it's insulting to look at
why not finish learning how to draw before using computer assist and steering into your weaknesses with every scene
???
Do we have AI generated comment bots now?
>It didn't happen with Adventure Ti
no, that too dumb to be AI
Does she wear an eyepatch? I can never tell.
What is Anon's plot twist?
>No Octavia
Oh shit does she die?
Vaggie is a worthless character and should be killed off - it might actually drive character change in the others.
>plot twist
Metatron out of fricking nowhere. Michael and metatron 2v1 lucifer and call him a stinky cum pooper as he poops cum and charlie cries
God comes back and sets things straight.
We never see Him, He never speaks, all you really see is just intense, blinding light. All the other characters are scared shitless just from being around the light.The exterminations stop, and Charlie's idea gets divine approval, the Hotel becomes Purgatory.
This series is messy as frick, but E6 was definitely the best one so far. Some of the jokes were even funny, holy shit.
The whole thing REALLY needed 3 or 4 episodes put on the front to actually do some actual establishing, though. It's going for way too many 'payoff' moments without actually setting jack shit up to earn them.
Adam has been by far the strongest redeeming quality
Adam's great, I just wish they could convey his threat level and other negative traits without having him cuss like a 7th grader.
"cuss like a 7th grader" is literally all viv knows how to do, I'm fine with her being the art lead and show runner but holy F U C K put the fricking pen down b***h
First verbalase, now angels? Damn Charlie is bad bad girl then again she IS a demon.
How does see collect all that chocolate thunder?
Are Carmilla daughters next?
Really loving how much a of dick adam is, hope the leaks arent true.
What leaks?
Don't worry about it.
>Emily has more chemistry with Charlie in a single ep then Vaggie in several
Viv should've made Emily and Charlie star-crossed lovers instead.
To based for that
But we have fanfiction and true yuri
Why is a dude voicing vegana now anyway? Did they ever say?
muh trannies
A dude voices vaggie? thought it was Stephanie Beatriz?
Girls with low/deep voices are men now, I guess.
Not watching this garbage.
But if that were a dude instead I'd kek.
>Do you feel it Vaggie
>That's how i feel every single day
>Cucked?
> You cucked Adam and mankind
> Charlie resured me, now she being a coal miner for some random higher up
I am once again asking for you lot to neither repost a decode of this or spoonfeed those who can't bother to take 10 seconds to figure it out.
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Ep 6 froze on me yesterday, is it working on your end? It just gets between 75 and 99 and stops. I had to stream it. The state of me.
Playback seems fine to me. Have you tried using a different media player?
thank you mah nibba
Do you have the first 4 episodes?
I'll update the drive with 'em real soon
thank
Formerly Charlie's Frick and Suck Hotel.
Soulful gif
I NEED VAGGIE KEKQUEAN FANART NOW NOW NOW
Soon anon soon
Will Pentious finally get laid before he dies for real this time?
Also Lucifer staring at Alastor is like a guy who disapproves of his daughter's new boyfriend who just got out of prison
>Will Pentious finally get laid before he dies for real this time?
According to the leaker, Cherri only starts to recuperate Pentious' feelings for her after he dies saving her.
Oh. So he won't get laid before death. That's sad.
He's not a virgin he had sex with everyone in the bar.
Honestly there's a bit of hope that Pentious doesn't actually die and he in fact gets redeemed through his sacrifice and that's only revealed when season 2 happens.
Also Viv is a huge Alex Brightman fangirl, I don't see her killing off both his characters in the very first season.
>After charlie learns that self-sacrifice=heaven she starts coordinating with exorcists to engineer those scenarios
>Purge starts
>Everyone runs
>Everyone except Cherry
>One of the angels goes for the kill
>Pentious takes the hit and saves Cherry
>His selfless sacrifice earns him his redemption
>I happens in the middle of hell, the fight fully stops
>Angels can't kill him, he's officially one of them
>Now there's a real reason to go to the hotel, Cherry is the first one to join, she hopes she'll see him again and thank him for saving her ass.
Cherri wouldn't fricking care lol
They'd probably make his self sacrifice the butt of a joke
Did Viv just copy this fanart into her show? Hack?
I don't know how old that is, but the audio sheets got leaked a year ago and that joke was there. This artist could have seen it.
That is from 2020
https://twitter.com/astrallyyyy/status/1322383247783923715
It's not a new joke.
>Hyuck hyuck, I'm something of a lesbian myself!
Shit's an old gag.
I saw that angel as a little girl so it's weird Vaggie got envious of it.
Charlastor is alive and well.
Sorry chemily has entered
Why is this show so fricking rushed? Nothing about it makes sense and Charlie is only right because Adam is a dick out of pure convenience.
Remider that if this show doesnt give Adam and Lute and actual chance at redemption then it is hypocritical and going against its very message.
I wouldn't be shocked if Adam ended up in Hell by the end, but I'm also convinced he would actually like it there since everyone acts just like him.
>Adam goes to hell
>Pentious goes to heaven
>Lute gets assmad and takes a swing at him
>only cuts his clothes exposing two giant snake wieners
>Pentious is the new Dickmaster
>Adam is angrier about that than being stuck in hell
>PentiousCHAD cucks Adam
Too kino
>He still in heaven
>Saving himself for his one and only Cherry
>Saving himself for his one and only Cherry
A little too late for that
cannibals > buttholes
>If you think you can do a better job Anon, then why don't you take my place!
OK
>I think you need an outfit change.
>Holy Shit! We're really doing this?
Pen dies after eating all the eggs?
>The moment after Angle grew another braincell and told Lucifer AND Alastor that Valentino licked Charlie's arm
Should be Alastor and Emily kicking the shit out of Vaggie.
Alastor WOULD NOT care where has this idea come from that he cares for Charlie? The only reason he was calling himself her 'sort-of' dad was to frick with Lucifer.
This.
He was fake flirting with Charlie until she introduced Vaggie as her girlfriend, and then he switched tactics completely to pretend like he's a father figure to her.
It's really obvious.
Charlie and Vaggie with their new dog.
oh shit that is stirring something in me.
Surprised there hasn't been more art of them together.
Again I want to see Chemily so much now.
Give me everything you can find. I'm making a true Yuri grind
Anyone else ship Lucifer x Charlie after the fifth ep? I can't be alone in my degeneracy.
It's kinda sucks how Charlie gets shipped with so many people. It makes Vaggie out to be a cuck-in-waiting.
She has no charm. That whole rushed angel reveal was a last ditch attempt to make her a deep character and imo it flopped. I'd rather Emily be the lesbian love interest and Stephanie Beatriz sounds like she regrets doing this role every time she speaks. Did she even attend the premiere party?
its honestly hilarious, I hate yuri but its so obvious that Emily is a much better love interest
maybe in her heart viv still feels like Vaggie still belongs with Angel dust
She the worst character it only makes the other ships better
Shortstack GF?
Anon that's just fat circle
there are objectively better shortstacks IN THIS SHOW
wtf was her purpose? is this another vivzie self insert?
She's the original self-insert yes. She use to be Alastor's girlfriend.
I hate her nose
that's antisemitic
I wanted more actual angel characters, I wish they didn't blow through the entirety of heaven in just one song. They shouldn't have made the guy at the gate St. Peter; maybe a assistant instead or the like while he's on vacation. I think more people would've found him weirdly cute if he wasn't such a utterly jarring depiction of the man himself
The better "V" girl?
I was never particularly attached to her previous design, and it didn't really communicate what her deal was right away like Vox and Val. NuVelvet, or "Velvette", looks like a sleek girlboss She-EO, which is how she's characterized now. It still doesn't specifically communicate "fashion" or "social media", but it's probably more aligned with current trends than the previous design, which was probably more aligned with trends 4 years ago.
I agree, the show design was a huge glowup. Colors are much better, love the white swirl highlights in her hair.
Throw that dress down the hole like the Alice who wore it
How did Angel's sister get into Heaven?
She sucked just as much dick as he did but since it's not gay for her it wasn't a sin.
So humans being turned into weird monster aberrations isn't just a hell thing?
I figured it was a philosophical-turned-physical thing, where the real trick to Hell is that everyone is their own jailor, and the baggage you bring from your life is reflected in the physical form you take after death. Trapped in webs of your own making? Spider. Obsessed? Cyclops.
The American Mafia is pretty patriarchal and usually has the women of its member outside of the business. She could just have been a normal guy that was perhaps aware of what's going on but largely stayed out of it.
We also have to consider the fact that Angel was also an unstable mobster dependent on drugs. Dude probably did some awful stuff.
never did drugs and seemed like a normal person
No sexual relations before marriage.
Heaven designs are a massive stepdown from Hell
So...Even if he's 'redeemed'...Will Angel Dust actually go off to heaven? Or will he do a 'Oh...but...I don't want to leave me friends...I want to stay with them and help them help others!' and stay the Hotel anyway?
Stays in hell becomes a new overlord, probably takes Val's place alongside Husk.
I don't think you correctly read what i posted.
Val needs to die first before his soul is allowed to leave hell
And here I thought there was going to be human form transformation for any of those monster designs in hell making it into heaven.
feed my charemily
How would you redeem Vaggie and make her likable
Give her some agency. The heaven episode was the perfect opportunity to have her do something. It's her former domain, this should have been her opportunity to shine, maybe have her own back and forth with her former commanders. Instead she got written out of the episode until she was needed at the very end. Maybe next episode will do something with her, but I think the writers take for granted that she's Charlie's girlfriend and expect you to just like her for that alone. Also they need to change the voice direction. I've heard the actress in other stuff so I know she's not terrible, but this performance is bad and someone is either letting it slide or actively telling her that's how she should be doing it.
Axe the Chaggie romance and pair her up with Angel again. He's the annoying tease and she's the no nonsense straightman with a side of tsundere that won't admit she finds his antics cute. Polar opposites and everything. She's not an exorcist, just another demon. Keep her OG backstory of being a murdered hooker and keep Angel an abused sex worker in hell. She's not in that scene in hell but can relate to what Angel is going through. Chaggie is so bland and forced.
it's funny how viv just completely flipped angel and vaggie's sexualities as soon as she got rid of the idea of them being a couple
>Vaggie was just a regular rank and file exterminator, not the best
>Didn't have any issue killing Sinners
>Lost her wings because she fell in love with an angel
>Lesbians not allowed in heaven
>Both are cast down, the Vaggie's gf gets killed by Sinners
>Never told Charlie, still has a distrust sinners but at least trusts Charlie trusting the hotel residents
Now at least Charlie finding out she's an angel would be an issue
Kill her off. Or make her break up with Charlie, and just be casual friends.
Have the angel reveal subplot actually lead up to something. Charlie should dump her and go full rage mode on her for concealing her past. Then Vaggie makes a rash decision to win back Charlie and sells her soul to an overlord in order to gain enough power to help Charlie realize her dreams because she'll do "whatever it takes." That would give Charlie some character development because she's been a total push over and people pleaser with zero growth so far, and it would allow Vaggie to lean into a darker obsessive BPD type of personality that would at least make her more interesting.
I am more surprised that Charlie hadn't just shoved a fist into Adam's mouth with a shout of 'So what? She's MY bae now, not yours cuck. So frick off.' Just a nice moment where the kitty claws come out from the disney princess archetype she has going on or something to that effect.
Charlie is basically a israelite who just discovered her Bae used to be in the Einsatzgruppen.
She should have sex with a man, for starters. Preferably a white male human man from the United States like myself.
Cuter character design and emotions that aren't "I'm angry" or "I'm confused". Mostly she's just angry and unpleasant to look at.
Behold the true power of Charemily and MSP
i forgot
what is the LORE behind lucifer and ducks again?
There's lore?
It's QUIRKY!
bonus ducks
Ugly ducks turn into swans
Sinners turn into beautiful creatures
>anon doesn't know about the ugly duckling
the song is pretty good at least, to me it's charlie's theme now
I see you and raise
>no high quality AI cover
>voca dead and unrecoverable
>YT """version""" low qual as frick
>season 1 only 8 eps long
when the frick is season 2? felt like there was a lot of unneeded fluff.. like who cares about the TV guy or spiders backstory? I mean I guess him improving is part of his redemption plot but idk it just felt out of place. I can't tell if the main plot is the invasion or the hotel anymore..
I assume they're wanting to plant seeds for the future, but if they don't bring them back for the finale it feels like they could have saved the other overlords outside of Val for next season.
I assumed Vox was going to be the main baddie after his song, but everyone kinda forgot about him.
Boxing match when?
They should hit each other's pussies
with their pussies
t. Adam
Charlie get off the internet
Emily, there shouldn't do that, especially since theyre girls
When someone makes a KM headhack of Lute.
Would you rather have a fighting game or dating game?
Fighting game. Just because I want to frick these characters doesn't mean I want to date them.
Fighting games are almost as low effort but unlike dating games they can add to the lore and be played openly.
Japan had the right idea. Fan Discs are easier but otherwise go a cheap fighter.
I'd main Luci and or Em if she's on the roster.
Charlastor dating game.
Vidya in the style of Postal 2 where you go about your daily life in hell as a Imp and hilarity ensures
Middle for some reason looks like the most obnoxious character in the already obnoxious show.
>Angels create humans
>Angels also don't seem to know how anything works even though they created everything in the first place
I'm not understanding why it is they created humans in the first if there's no rules set into place or no one knows how shit works. I'm assuming this is because of that possible Roo rumor shit, which would explain why Sera keeps half-heartedly trying to explain herself but not. Like letting too many sinners into Heaven will possibly let Roo in or something.
>Roo rumor
What is that?
Eve when she ate the fruit of knowledge got possessed by ROO, the "Root of All Evil". She wants to get revenge on heaven for being blamed for mankind sins.
>Root of All Evil
But that would be RAE
Its Canada itself so its Roo of Oall Oevil ya hoser.
What the actual frick are you on about.
What part confused you anon.
Look at these two.
Are they actually dating now or is it still up in the air at this point?
Apparently four and half months have passed between Episode 4 and 5 and everyone is basically the same as they were in 4, So i'd say their still 'friends' as of now.
What deal did Lucifer make with Heaven so that the few natural born babies in Hell like Charlie don't get fricking exterminated? No uprisings?
Exorcists can die. He probably just told them "Extermination? Sure whatever, don't frick with Charlie though" and they took it because it's a good deal. Then Charlie involved herself anyway. He's an ex-seraph. He'd frick the armies of heaven rightly if he wanted to. Some random c**t already offed a basic b***h angel. Luci going ham would escalate things to the point where heaven would have to commit fully to invasion or frick off. It would also potentially incite a proper uprising with the denizens of hell weighing in and not just sinners.
Hell would lose but heaven would have to eat some shit in the process.
>Charlie tearing up at Alastor's touch.
And Viv will get angry at people for making art of them fricking.
There's just no way to interpret Alastor saying "your daughter calls me daddy too~" without it getting sexual connotations.
It seems like the extermination was more of an Adam thing than a Heaven thing, so there probably wasn't a "deal" so much as Lucifer warning him about the obvious consequences of attacking the actually important parts of Hell, and Adam begrudgingly complying because Sera would flip her shit if his "hey we gotta kill hell people to stop a war" excuse immediately started a full scale war.
sex
They truly are perfect together. I want Alastor to frick Charlie and force Vaggie and Lucifer to watch!
Why did the murdered exorcist not come up during the trial? I was fully expecting Adam or Lute to pull it out as a gotcha at some point.
>yfw they completely forgot about it
>hello, we're about to kill your guests as a frick you. By the way, did you know you can kill us back and that our power is not as absolute as it appears?
I meant like, before that. Maybe as a private aside to Sera at some point. Look there's like 600 things happening in this show and they're trying to shove all of it into 8 episodes and I'm just trying to keep up, I'm moronic okay.
You're not moronic, the show's moronic. It's not just biting off more than it can chew, it's deepthroating an entire horse at once because it's terrified of committing to one story at once.
Alastor's hell-turn to the dark side / betrayal will be raping Charlie [i.e. It will be a Berserk style scenario], This episode will also have a higher rating like Ep4 did.
Lies, lies, Big liar, He would never think of doing something so awful to his Charlotte.
>Lucifer is an awkward goof instead of Alastor archetype but on crack.
Kind of disappointed. I like when there are big dick unstoppable characters.
I got the feeling he's only an awkward goof when it's about Charlie, otherwise he's just as indifferent, cold and ridiculously OP as the other big boys
Charlie will end up getting hurt somehow and he's going to get mad and reveal that he's actually le super scary unkillable demon that he hides behind a mask of being goofy, it will all be very stereotypical.
He's literally the only person who's put Alastor on the backfoot so far; radio-boy got completely blindsided by Lucifer's reality-warps. Lucifer was also completely unimpressed by Alastor's true form; I think it's pretty evident that the Radio Demon isn't remotely threatening to him.
It's a trend maintained with every actual Hell powerhouse. People who don't need to prove their worth and are simply powerful by birthright are kind of pathetic, goofy, entertaining, or otherwise not actively threatening.
Mammon is a fat Christmas tree with a clown thing going on, Asmodeus runs one (1) club personally and gives succubi their stones out, but otherwise is kind of a non-entity, really, Bee throws parties, Lucifer utterly despises his own subjects and seems to be a bit of a weirdo reclusive. They're all not really that good at being their sins, even. The Goetias are pathetic in various ways, despite being directly under the Sins in power and status.
But they all sure are far above anybody in that Warlord meeting. And, unlike the Warlords, they really don't need to prove their worth, because they're simply blessed with power - unlike Vox, for instance, who has to struggle for every crumb of it, or Alastor, who also had to prove his status, crawling up from zero reputation.
I wish the hell was more diverse in that its more than just City.
I want fun stuff like Blood falls, Puss Boil Lake, Screaming Forest etc.
We don't know if we've seen all of heaven. In Paradiso there are multiple layers just like Hell has multiple layers in Inferno, so maybe that's how this works too.
Already just under 1.5Million views on the Lucifer/Alastor song under 12 hours after going up on Amazon's channel.
dumb me.
Forgot link.
I really loved that song, the ribbing was just too good and its nice to finally have someone who can annoy Alastor.
>beats out more than anything
>but both are way over the others
>no If Hell is forever released yet
You're reaching.
>>but both are way over the others
I didn't claim this, and it isn't even true, Respectless and Loser baby have over 4Mil and 5Mil views each at this point.
Im personally just surprised they haven't officially uploaded Stayed Gone yet.
Why did Vaggie go after the kid if Exorcists aren't supposed to hunt Hellborn and that kid was a Hellborn?
Is she stupid?
So are Hellborn just white skinned Humanoids like Mimzy?
Why does Lucifer have ducks anyway
Do snakes have dicks?
- Adam is gonna fall
- God exists in the show, but hasn't made an appearance yet
- Angel Dust will be redeemed, but stay in Hell anyway
- Angels in charge will get in trouble for the exterminations
- endgame is free movement between heaven and hell for redeemed souls
What is Alastor's plan and what is gonna be his fate?
From the thumbnail i couldn't immediately tell if that was Charlie or Niffty.
90% he made a deal with Lilith and is enthralled to her in exchange for having god-mode turned on.
>kinky
I think we wants to turn the process around and get souls from heaven to hell somehow. Will get killed by someone.
The more evil the more powerful, with Lucifer and his family the exception.
Hands off, for now.
His plan and goal is Charlie sex.
>Adam is gonna fall
I wonder what Lute will do in that case. It'd be kino if she ripped off her own wings to go with him.
>A woman sacrificing anything for a man
Anon are you sure you're watching the right show?
Lucifer still had his wings. I strongly suspect "falling" isn't actually a metaphysical thing that transforms or whatever. In reality it's just a state of mind/inability to get back to Heaven. Vaggie got hers torn off by Lute, but idt anyone in Heaven even seemed to notice she was missing apart from well, Adam ig.
that would be fricking awesome but I doubt Vivzie cares enough about her villain cast to bother. Adam will fall/die and the plot will move on from him immediately
I think the odds of Emily getting banished or falling are pretty high tbh. She literally went on stage next to lucifer's daughter and called the whole system a lie. That's gotta be like bad pr when word gets out.
Although I suppose a lot depends on how the actual process of "fallen" works
I don't have particularly strong opinions on the seraphim as of now because we really haven't seen much of them, but that could be interesting. Viv definitely has good stuff to work with here at least
If God exists in the show, is he not all knowing, otherwise how is he not implicitly endorsing the exterminations by not punishing Adam?
God allowed angels to frick humanity up so it seems he doesn't always know or doesn't allow himself to know what is happening until after the damage has been done.
Who would want to willingly go to hell?
Why is Alastor so powerful? What dictates how strong a demon is?
Esoteric knowledge? I don't fricking know.
He pleases fat old cosmic horrors for money.
Do Alastor+Husk+Niffty+Pentious have anyone related to them in the after-life who they would like to see again? This dosen't really apply to Vaggie, Charlie and Angel Dust [all his male relatives are in hell, sister in heaven] obviously.
Alastor's mom is supposedly in heaven. Pentious may or may not have a son if that line from the pilot wasn't just a joke and is still considered canon.
There was a great fanfiction i read a long time ago [the name of which i unfortunately forgot], Where Alastor's mother whose in heaven, After over a century without her son arriving, She questions the Angels why he isn't there yet, And after finding out he's in hell [Though, Not the REASON for it], She begs to be allowed to go see him.
It contrasts an Alastor who acts mostly the same as in the Pilot/Show with the other characters with him doing the entire Bates Motel serial-killer mommas boy sthick where he gets on his knees and starts crying and burying himself in his 'maman's boobs, And panicking when he realises she's going to inevitably ask what he did to end up in hell.
They really should have left Pentious and Cherry Bomb out of the show. Heck Huskar and Nifty could probably be merged into one person.
They make a very cute pairing!
Charlie pleasuring Alastor with her hands.
Get some of that crossdressing asexual deer bussy.
>/k/ hunts Alastor
Post it, you know the one
That's horrifying. This is like getting probed by aliens. Imagine being that doe. You're this small, weak thing with no real to defend yourself and you're captured by these two huge hairless ape things and they shove this incomprehensible object that you KNOW isn't natural but you way to understand it. They don't even rape you personally. You don't understand why they did it to you. This is why gods and aliens are and should be horrifying to everyong, because the gap between a man and a beast is not really that big to begin with, so imagine the interaction being a man and something capable of creating a dyson sphere.
stop I can only become so erect
I wish I could post that one /b/ story of the guy trapping a deer and fricking/cuddling with it for like 4 hours, you have no idea man
>Alastor80
so, how big is your alastor folder?
I did the maths on this a few days ago for another anon who asked the same question, but i've actually been on a bit of a campaign to grab as many Alastor's as i can over the last few days as well. So i'll try to give updated figures
>In my normal image folder i have 86 numbered Alastor's, In an older folder i have i also have 32 more numbered Alastor's.
>Then I've got a number of misc, untitled shit and images of other characters where Alastor still features prominently even if its not an 'alastor image' in itself in both folders, I can't honestly be fricked to dreg through both of them top to bottom, but eyeballing it, Let me just guess around ~25 in each folder
>Then my Charlastor image folders which are once more in both folders, 53 Charlastor images in one folder and 3 more saved in the other.
So collectively i have ~224 images that either solely contain Alastor or in which Alastor is a primary subject within the image.
may your alastor collection be grand and hearty
I want an excuse to see a shirtless, Scarred Alastor in the show, I want Charlie to walk into his room or the wrong bathroom un-announced and he's got his shirt off looking himself over in the mirror or smth.
>he's trying on one of Charlie's bras.
Yeah this is cool and all but when does this hunk show up?
He's Black Alastor
like how Charlie's ex is Green Alastor
or how Lucifer is White Alastor
or how Vox is Blue Alastor
or how Pentious is Snake Alastor
I want to marry Emily and make adorable nephilim offspring!
I want a kiss too bros
More incest yuri please
where does adam fits on the power heriarchy?
Right here.
He answers to Sera directly and runs his own private army. He's likely very high in heavens power structure
He's stronger than a ant, if the ant was... THIS BIG
My fricking sides
First, Adam is awesome and vivi is a moron.
Second, did they really make yet ANOTHER female pairing into dyke pandering thing? We already had this exact pairing with Harley quieen show, I think it's enough for one year hmm?
Easier to convince both (teenage) girls and men to watch a show when it's lesbians over homos, plus having your main character be "acceptable gay" looks good on paper.
Shut the frick up, you yaoi dick-riding homos have 90% of Vivzie's fujoshi attention.
>Stolas/Blitzo
>Moxxi/Chaz
>Husk/dusk
>Teasing Alastor and fricking Lucifier
Let have this one thing.
>They're canon I'll give you that one
>Broken up, Chaz is dead and Moxxie is married to Millie
>Platonic friendship
>Debateable, seems like they despise each other
Doesn't change the fact that Vivzie has fujobrainrot and only likes writing and focusing on m/m, but her female characters are garbage and get scraps for screentime.
>Alastor/Lucifer
They clearly fricking hate each other anon, what the actual frick?
Do you even horny fangirl?
When has that ever stopped uwu gayshipping before? It's pure fuel for these wangsty ships.
>They clearly fricking hate each other
that is the whole appeal
>The white part under Charlie's blazer is the tucked in shirt with suspenders but for some reason the suspenders disappear when she has the blazer on
What?
people like Charlie because of subconscious affection for eugenia cooney
yep
mmm skeleton woman very good
This b***h could actually do a relatively accurate cosplay version of New Charlie, while the outfit would cover up most of the grosser aspects of her anorexia. So win-win I guess.
Verbalise vid made me miss Charlies original design
i can't even see a difference
How did she make Adam and Lute so likeable by accident?
Adam is just beetle juice and Lute is a more foul mouthed and enabling Susie.
What do angels actually do?
Stuff
The way they pronounced koala was weird
t. oztrayan
Yeah, noticed that, Ausgay here too. But what do you expect of anyone unfamiliar enough with those lazy little bastards to actually believe they're soft and cuddly?
PROTIP for Americ**ts: You'd find koalas in Hell's petting zoo, not Heaven's.
Brother used to work in a wildlife park and always fun seeing women not have the actual experience live up to the expectation.
It's always fun to queue up a video of koalas fighting for people who know nothing beyond "small fuzzy thing that eats leaves".
These are Heaven koalas, they are soft and cuddly teddy bears with big ears.
Oh, like this is a Hell puppy?
>took me a while to notice there was even anything different about this puppy.
But Koalas are still little c**ts. Are they going to take away their literal demon talons in Heaven? How are they going to hold onto anything then? Frick koalas.
Alastor! You must dress up as koala!
Isn't there a third sister seraphim we haven't met yet? I remember there being 3 of them in the leaks.
The Exorcists can't exterminate Sinners anymore if they get rapped.
You can say rape here, anon. This isn't fricking tiktok.
Angelic porn would certainly catch every sinner in hell's attention. But we don't know how much they can fight back yet. Would be amusing if Vox can mess with their LED helmets, but I doubt it, and those might only be outward displays, not like an Iron-Man hud.
>epic rap battles of history
>adam the first man versus serial rapist moth man
I can't take Val threatening in the slightest anymore after the reveal that his contract with Angel is so fricking stupid. Why can't a single villain that Viv makes be threatening? He's such a cuck that Angel could choose not to go to the studio and he'd have no power over him.
I am also disappointed in Val, as someone who was hoping he would be a cool villain, but I kind of like Vox and Velvette so I can't complain too much. At the very least the 3 have a good team vibe.
We haven't seen him go nuclear yet. Angel clearly returns to the studio in fear of SOMETHING, but we don't know what that is yet.
they dropped this absolute banger on youtube so now i dont have to rewatch the scene to hear it
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LIKE THOSE wienerS IN HIS MOUTH
She's a petty b***h but she's not wrong.
I feel like that's why Vivzie had to add the "oh uh btw they're all invariably evil and just really like killing shit" part to Adam and the exterminators, because otherwise they're completely in the right for wanting to reduce demonic numbers
those two carried this song (and frankly the episode) so hard
Agreed, although Emily and Charlie in the Hell is Forever reprisal was pretty awesome
Someone draw embarrassed Lute in a girly dress pls
>distant angry Lute noises
I liked that part a lot too yeah, effectively if it's a heaven centric episode we can at least confirm that the songs will be good
Part of the reason the duet with them works in the songs is because of how confident their movements are. The fist bumps and high fives and in your face attitude works.
Obviously that's a visual thing but it helps sell it in a way them just dancing around or standing still wouldn't.
That and their singing voices compliment well.
100% agree, the visual stuff between them was great in Hell is Forever too. I especially love how it's Lute backing up Adam's choreography in Hell is Forever, and then Adam backs up Lute's verse in You Didn't Know. they honestly have such a great dynamic, I'm gonna be genuinely sad when they're inevitably unceremoniously killed off
>dat choreography
>dat harmonization
>they way they just compliment each other so well
wish we could all be so lucky to have a partner like Adam or Lute
this is the most I've ever been invested in a relationship in one of Vivzie's shows, platonic or otherwise, and I think that says a lot since we're totally meant to just hate them on principle
It's hard to hate the best, but I get it. With so many relationships to choose from it can be difficult to choose. Ngl, I'm only in it for the smart, sexy, confident monochrome goth gf and wasn't on board till this latest episode. But they just work well together, they have chemistry
Imagine if the ending of season 1 is Adam and Lute going back to Eden-style.
Okay someone with more brain cells than me explain what exactly does Adam's periodic purges accomplish?
If the whole reason Sera is letting them happen is to prevent an uprising of hell why not just go Old Testament on everyone's asses? Why do this yearly "oh were gonna randomly kill civilians" schtick?
From what's been shown the real heavy hitters in hell dont even get caught in the purges. The head demons are still the same like Mammon, frick sake Lucifer had a kid. How is that not a problem?
Why not go full SMT and stop fricking around?
Because it's pretty obvious that deep down Sera thinks what they are doing is morally wrong and distasteful. She isn't jerking off to the genocide like Adam and Lute are. She just thinks it's necessary to cull them.
Plus overlords are only powerful so far as they have contracts with alive sinners. Alastor is something of an exception in strength, and that's implied to not even be his own. The other overlords haven't displayed the same power level and are respected because they "represent" sinners through their controlling bargains.
The actual demons themselves know not to frick with hell. Just look at Lucifer, he doesn't even contemplate a war because he knows it would be useless. The other sins are likely the same.
But that's just the thing though, you'd think heaven of all places would know the standard operating procedure of the Big G. He literally treated Noah like a USB stick and hit earth with a factory reset because some Angels got horny.
If hell is a problem they you stop it from being a problem. Either it's a jail situation so those who are truly remorseful can get parole or it's the end result in which case your solution to the problem is rather obvious.
The head of Heaven shouldn't be acting like a middle aged head of the HOA worried about the projects.
Adam surely has an ulterior motive we just haven't heard yet, probably getting back at Lilith or some such with wanton killing. To get support, though, he lies to Sera about there being an uprising plot in Hell, and she simply believes her morally-dubious subordinate wholeheartedly because she's dumb.
Do you guys feel like there was missed opportunity for making Lure Eve, she's already Adam right hand man you can even add that she feels responsible for them falling from grace and blaming Lucifer and demons adding more reason why she wants to kill demons and even adding a rift between her and Charlie, you also have a fun villainous married duo
I like her as-is. If she was Eve her role in the story would be a lot different, and while that could be interesting, we wouldn't have the same Lute which is just like a sidekick for Adam (and that's how it should be)
It's even implied he created the exorcists himself, which is why they all have his horns and wear masks, so them being entirely 'Adam' is good.
I mean wouldn't Eve being his second in command be better than just her being name dropped in the first episode and then never being mentioned again I mean you already villainizing the first man and she was specifically created to be his partner
I see it as making the audience question her absence so we'll hopefully get some reveal of what she's doing later on. I don't keep up with everything, so only taking her name drop in the first episode, we can assume that *something* *might* be going on, but we just don't know. I don't normally try to question an artist's choice, especially when there's nothing we can do to change what has been created. Better to simply enjoy the raid and wait patiently for what we get
My smug angel wife is so cute
Just imagining Verbalase watching and feeling the same way:
>be Verbalse
>literally blow your $50k load too early on Charlie
>see Lute
>tfw no $50k to spend on her
>poor, sad Verbalase
I can't identify with the $50k waifu shit, but I could relate to the mental switch.
There's no way that wasn't part 1 of 3 where the porn happens
Then you see lighting strike the sign and change it to the HAPPY ENDING HOTEL.
Also if there are other parts that haven't been leaked I'm really going to lose faith in my fellow anon. Back in my day, the Internet used to stand for something.
Nah, Lute being Adam's loyal Lieutenant fits her role. I couldn't see Eve and Adam fist bumping. Not that they wouldn't or couldn't, but it's easier to see a second-in-command following her bosses orders with how Adam's character has been shown to us
I think it's interesting that the blood on her uniform only appears when the helmet is on.
It's not blood! She just enjoys having a little strawberry jam snack during important meetings!
Perhaps the blood is a holographic projection intended as a psychological weapon
Or maybe she's using her angelic power to make it seem pristine, and when she puts on the helmet it's because she's pissed and thus gets too distracted?
it's an animation error.
Your mom is an animation error and I came inside her yesterday. Boom.
anons i think think this show is changing us
Anons as a breed are always pretty tasteless and prone to using immature humor. It's more like convergent evolution.
Fricking gottem
unlikely, the red splots appear literally on-screen, not during a cut, i'd argue it was an intentional choice to make the blood re-appear at this exact time when she put back on her exorcist helmet
The red blood, anon!
What does it mean?
>Lute without her mask loses her bloodthirsty murdererous qualities, so she needed to put it on to regain them.
>Lute, as Adam’s new other half, reveals Adam’s biggest and true weakness.
>Adam without the mask loses his ability to be the unstable terrorfying sex-obsessed monster.
you shush
One might suspect that the blood showing up with mask is like a divine stain judging them for their murders like the mark of cain but Viv isn't that deep
Considering you just end up the building blocks of hell when you "die" it's not even murder, just a very violent cheer pyramid or an eternal game of twister.
Adam and Lute need the suits and the mask to access the worst aspects of themselves and to overshadow the original personalities. Aka, Lute and Adam are practically unable to enforce their roles as exterminators without them.
Knowing Viv, couples like Adam and Lute are given plot armor because.”I like them and their romance” (Fizz and Ozzie) while Val and Vox are in her “I hate this guy so much” box (Stella and her brother). It doesn’t help that Vox (the symbol and authority of escapism that brainwashes you) is hevaiiy connected to the exterminations with how heavily technology based he is, in opposed to Adam, whom is treated to be more of primitive animal.
I wonder if the joke outcome is Adam breaking free into the wilderness of Heaven with Lute begrudgingly joining him. To show him finally moving on from losing Eve and fully embracing his new “an help”.
>Viv liking a heterosexual romance, let alone one between villains
I think you're missing her priorities here
Adam and Lute is given more love by Viv and her crew than AngelHusk, CharlieVag, and SerCherri. With implications that Adam is still depressed on losing Eve and Eve being possessed by Evil, having him finally move on, break free from the digital chains (the mask), and revealing his true face/personality will be the grand finale moment.
What if, like Sinners/Demons, Angels have alternate forms? We already see Sera and Emily morph, who's to say that Adam and Lute don't morph as well? Lute just so happens to get blood back on her for whatever reason. The "blood she's spilled" or some other metaphor.
Viv better not kill Adam and Lute.
Adam almost confirmed dead.
Vagger-Chaggers on suicide watch.
... or they would be if anyone actually gave a frick about them. Fricking lost hard.
Any good fanfics?
why do i want him
I'm sure you can find someone to bully you into sex, beat you and take your lunch money if you try.
Great question, considering he has zero redeeming qualities.
Making dozens of Nephilim/Titans with Lute after she gets thrown to earth for being an evil chuddie exterminator. And helping her plot her revenge.
>She does this to (You) while Vaggie watches.
Need an episode of Hazbin/Helluva Boss where some occult club nerd does the meme and accidentally summons a main character by sheer luck.
What if I want to frick her musical backup goats instead?
Go to sleep, verbalase
Did Viv realize that Alastor would come off as Char's sugar daddy
>Everyone in hell is gay
>Everyone in hell believes in more than 2 genders
What did they mean by this?
Viz knows where she's going so she's trying to make hell look like a b***hin place.
Sadly her like most all moronic heathens are misguided.
>she's trying to make hell look like a b***hin place.
Don't worry. She'll be proven wrong in about 30 or 40 years, assuming she lives that long
Much sooner than that. Jesus is coming within a few years.
Don't spout out heresy. Nobody knows the hour of judgement day, not even Jesus
Sir, we are dealing the beasts of revelation right now.
But what we do know is her and others are spouting lies in an attempt to sway the weak willed down the path of evil.
Souls don't have time to think in hell from all the eternal pain they'll be in. Yet for some reason you can just walk around as if you owned the place.
>Two more weeks until everyone i dislike is thrown into magic lava.
>This time i promise.
Magic lava is a bit too prosaic for my taste. I would much rather they be unequivocally erased from existence, rather than still being and theoretically capable of continuing to make things worse for all eternity.
>magic lava
It's fire.
Also I don't want people I dislike to be thrown into hell but I would appreciate it if they realize they are writing shitty stories that make them look moronic and that hell isn't "yo it's so fricking lit down here we get to frick and suck and do drugs and murder and kill all the time. All those prudes in heaven are lame lol they're just hypocrites."
That literally what moronic internet atheists say.
The Lucifer/Alastor duet is absolutely exploding on Amazon Primes channel, I won't be surprised if soars past 2Million views by the end of the day.
Nah, i'd win.
Reminded of anons post from the other day about how you can literally colour-correct every single character with this mouth template in the show and turn them into SmileDog.jpg
So is "You didn't know"
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>loving the duet
>instantly ruined by Mimsy
I'm not sure how they could've ended it another way though. Maybe having the two lose the rhythm and drop the instrumentals but holy shit Mimsy fricking sucks. I guess that fits her character, but I hope we don't see much of her, or I hope she heavily changes her intros to not frick up great songs
I am 100+10% certain that THIS is the inspiration for Mimsy!
I could see that, never watched whatever that play is but yeah that seems 110% inspired
The play in question is the musical adaptation of Mel Brook's "Young Frankenstein". Megan Mullaly -mostly known for playing Karen in Will an Grace- plays in that show the "harpy" of a fiancee for Viktor Frankenstein.
Oh well, As it rightly should, It's the best Charlastor fuel we've received since the pilot after all
it'd be funny if Hitler manifested in hell literally indistinguishable from his human appearance, and has just been meandering around hell un harmed all that time.
And he gets hired on to head up the arts and crafts activities at the hotel.
It's so sad we can't have historical figures because they were apparently so bad that they faded away into nothing. Imagine if like Misc Pot was like the comedic relief and whenever he does something silly, the person next to him chides and says. "Oh Misc Pot." while wagging their finger.
this
according to Viv, racists get instantly zapped out of existance before even reaching hell... which ironically is better than even going to heaven in the hasbin universe given what a shitshow it is. So all the coolest people in history are neither in heaven or hell
>Anons coping hard that Adam won't die
Search your feelings
The issues are
>What can kill Adam?
>Why would they try to kill Adam if they know it makes everything worse?
>Only an angel could kill an angel in this setting.
>What’s the point of establishing need for Lute and Vaggie to put on the mask to be killers
>What’s the point of establishing Vox’s full on control over Hell’s residence using the exterminations against them and his power to brainwash others to his bidding via technology? Meaning, his plans to “war against heaven” are a trick and he could be supplying the maks to the exterminators, making profits on both sides.
>It makes more sense for Alastor’s assistant to kill the weakest V, Vox, instead of the strongest man, Adam.
>Lute, Charlie, and Lucifer would absolutely care if Adam died. They wouldn’t care if Vox died.
>Vox’s death would completely change exterminations as a whole. Adam’s death would enforce them more frequently and violently.
>What can kill Adam?
Lucifer.
>Why would they try to kill Adam if they know it makes everything worse?
Lucifer's clearly very motivated by keeping his daughter safe, enough so to disregard consequences, and it's not like he cares any about his kingdom. It exists to punish him - if Hell comes down to take revenge, all they'd do is make his punishment easier.
>Only an angel could kill an angel in this setting.
Angelic weapons, not angel. Those weapons are all over the place in Hell, they're just very pricy.
Imo Lucifer being functionally a loose cannon with overwhelming angelic might at his fingertips is the way Adam dies, if he dies. It just makes sense - especially if this all is Lilith's plan to drag her husband out of his malaise, and manipulating both Heaven and Hell into clashing so he'd be forced to act could be it.
If Adam dies, this show becomes utterly unsalvagable. And conflict-wise, it’s better if Adam and the angels are more like the time-limit and obstacles rather than the main deal for Lucifer to easily deal with.
Since the masks are clearly shown to be influencing Adam and the angels to act this mercilessly violent, it makes more sense if they try to turn them off by destroying the source their power/signal.
Adam dying makes a lot of sense from a Doylist perspective - he's a pushover antagonist who's crass, basic and offensive. He's not some sort of a mastermind who's got where he got because of wits, he's basically Heaven royalty by virtue of being the absentee King's beloved creation.
The main Heaven antagonist seems to be the thus-far missing Speaker of God, who'd probably be that overarching antagonist. Adam's basic, Sera is understandable and redeemable, humanly weak, so there's still the spot for somebody who isn't redeemable, yet more graceful in villainy.
Killing Adam is like getting all of his sons and daughters to instantly go world war game over on Hell. Vivzie is a moron. What makes her think that if Abraham or Noah is killed by sinners, israelites, Christians, and angels won’t make hell absolutely dead?
It’s better if Adam is forcefully removed from his unnatural techno mask (which Lute also needs to be violent) and it’s used to foreshadow Eve being possessed by her own Roo.
If I had to guess, Adam dies, then Speaker of God finally shows up, steps in, stops the war and goes 'you've got a year to prove your hotel thing actually works while I do my job and try to speak to God about this'. It'd let the show go back to redemption antics while keeping the whole war plot as something that can fire anytime, but isn't front and center.
The biggest issue here is that in the trailer, Vox is screaming “You all will &@&&&& die” over and over, when the extermination is happening.
And by looking at Adam and the angels, they all have digital Vox-like masks on. (No angels in heaven have techno themes and Adam lived and died without technology)
It is also confirmed that Vox will be in the last two episodes. Meaning he is either a minor character or he’s secretly the true main antagonist of the season and that tries to use this extermination to kill off Alastor and the other overlords once and for all.
Waitwaitwait
Vox used to be a televangelist, yeah? So that kinda makes sense that he eventually was able to form ties to the Exterminators
Oh shit. He is the true season 1 villain the leaker was talking about.
It’s no wonder Sir Pentious (the who wants to beat overlords) and the antagonist was killed by Nifty.
The antagonist they are against isn’t Adam. It’s Vox. The infamous overlord who wants to trample over Alastor.
Since Vivzie thought she only had one season, it makes the most sense if resolving the Vox vs Alaster rivalry was on top of her list as well as getting Sir Pentious into heaven. And, freeing Adam from his own Roo (Vox’s mask).
interesting. i'm going to keep this in mind for next week, to see if Vox theory becomes true or not. there was a lot of time spent on him in episode 2, it'd be weird if it was for nothing
Yeah. Especially since Viv assumed she wouldn’t get a second season.
This means that she had very few scenes to establish Vox, Adam, and Lute. Meaning, it’s important to notice that Lute acts differently when she puts on the mask, and Adam never ever takes it off.
Or how in the background details, exterminations gotten far worse as Vox became more powerful and was the one who best exploited them for profit.
>getting Sir Pentious into heaven
As much as I like Pentious and am bummed by the extremely likely leak it never stated that he goes to heaven and I think he will simply be the final casualty of the extermination and his soul will be destroyed and what energy remains will probably end up as an eye on a piece of the hotels wall. Of course depending on the reaction to his death we might get Viv to force her team to expand upon the ideas of purgatory and we might see Pentious again but that's wild speculation.
the song was too fun
> Lucifer singing "thanks dad!" to himself
>Alastor being a b***h about not being the center of the universe
> The clog was, as a matter of fact, Nifty
> The dramatic golden fiddle solo
Is this the lighting? Or does she blush when she gets mad?
She's being lit from below.
it's a shadow
She's got no nose
I don't like the Welcome to Heaven song. Every uu ooh sounds like Peter is cumming in the middle of the song
Does anyone have a gif of that point during the Lucifer+Alastor song when Alastor is at the top of the stairs with Charlie and the giant Neon heads of them are bobbing back and forth? [picrel]
Yelp exists in Hell?
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It's an evil business, so that checks out.
LMAO somone is seething
considering Alastor is leashed to Lilith, I wonder what his thoughts on Lucifer are considering their relationship, I guess he is projecting some of his distaste of his entrapment onto Lucifer
Alastor impersonator, Funny video.
I didn't expect Lucifer to be that short.
Neither did Alastor.
In fairness, Alastor is apparently meant to be a lanklet even by Hell's standards.
This pic just reminds me they took away the only pink/red feature that wasn't overdoing it. Charlies eyeshadow. Her eyelids were only dark sometimes for effect, and don't need to be in that scene.
Why Viv? What were you thinking? Take away another good aspect, and mode/range of expression.
Go look up Viv's decription of Lilith, she outright says that Lilith "wears the pants in the relationship" and "behind every great man is a greater woman" or in otherwords Lucifer is beta male she kicks around and steps out on.
This show is written by a fat California spinster, there is not going to be a postive portral of a straight male leader.
Who the hell's this guy?
I forgor his name but he's the dad of the Von Eldritch family, supposed to be overlords but who knows anymore.
Also you guys think Lucifer will become more of a regular, making more appearances ?
There are only 2 episodes left this season, and I don't get the impression that Lucifer is going to fight the exterminators. Won't really know what to expect for season 2 without knowing what the new status quo is. If the exterminations are toned down or stopped then it'll be more personal stories of people working towards and probably failing redemption. Doesn't really sound like a job for this Lucifer.
Lucifer is coming to fight in the finale.
He seems rather overpowered for it I think. But it would be interesting if he has something to say to Adam perhaps.
It would be interesting if Lucifer had something interesting to say to Adam. That is, it's not just a pissing match with "frick you"s or "muh dick" without some substance behind their words
Would you see a live action Hazbin Hotel?
https://movieweb.com/hazbin-hotel-creator-wants-broadway/
>"Oh my gosh, I would literally die if anything I was involved in made it to Broadway or was in a Broadway anything. So yes, absolutely. And it's fun, it's been mentioned so many times about what a live-action adaption would be like, and I'm like, 'Oh my gosh, that's such a big idea and concept.' I mean someday it would be incredible, but you know, I have no idea. It really does, every song feels like it could be onstage. The songwriters killed it with that."
Would be cool but I don't usually go see musicals. If it made it to a streaming service, like Hamilton on Disney+ I'd probably watch it
frick, no!
I like the show, but I am mostly trying to forgive the fact that they are rushing the plot.
With how they are pacing things along here, I am scared to even imagine how rushed a genuine stage adaptation would be.
Why is Alastor acting as if he is a father figure to Charlie if they just meet a few days ago and she already was a grown ass adult
He is most probably owned by Lilith, absolutely super-hates the fact, and since Lilith is still Lucifer's husband and wishes the best for him, he's trying to get back at her by way of irritating Charlie's somewhat absentee father.
He's also egotistical and clearly enjoys being the center of everybody's attention. You really can't do that when the literal King of Hell is in the room.
He's clearly fricking with Lucifer, not entirely sure why. Mostly for laughs I guess, but maybe if he's on Lilith's leash she wants him to do it either because they're separated or to spur him into action.
>if they just meet a few days ago
Oh... anon... remember when, in the first episode, Adam said they'd return in 6 months? In this last episode Adam says he'll see them in 1 month. So about 5 months have passed since Charlie and Alastor met. Plenty of time for them to develop a Daddy Dom/little girl dynamic
>time skip in the first season
what the frick is Viv smoking.
Five months doesn't really count as a time skip
Yeah... yeah... this pacing is fricking lightning fast. I wish it slowed down as well
Other anon here, but to paraphrase something I said yesterday...
gosh. I wish I had seen any of that dynamic develop!
Angel dust is experiencing the world through his boob fluff
https://australian.museum/learn/animals/spiders/the-hairy-spider/
>Sight is our most important sense. However, most spiders have very poor eyesight and many are active during the dark night hours. With a few notable exceptions, their sense of the world is obtained through specialised sensory hairs and pit-like sense organs in the cuticle. These hair and pit sensillae are especially associated with the spider's limbs and mouthparts. Connected at their bases to sensory nerves, they provide spiders with the sensory experience and feedback needed to survive and function in their world.
What the hell is this? Vaggie regrows her wings, flies into heaven, and leaves Charlie single? Long distance relationship?
They stitched wings on her? (her halo isn't there)
She regrows wings, but doesn't leave Charlie?
The wings seem pretty demonic, so I'd guess it could be some sort of a very physical confirmation that she's stuck in Hell for good. Could be a boon from Charlie's parents or some shit.
Probably the last option, Husk has wings so it's not anything exclusive. Lucifer also still has his.
>"Welcome back to Heaven! Here are your new wings" *picks up a stapler*
>stapler wings
hey thats from fairly odd parents
lol at least that would explain how Lute could rip off Vaggie's so easily
if vaggie can regrow things, can she regrow her eye? how much of her body can vaggie regenerate?
Why doesn't anyone in hell with flying powers simply fly to heaven?
No air to breathe, there's probably some defense or even other supernatural barrier between the spaces, and it doesn't seem like anyone in hell is too interested in trying to get in heaven since that's kind of the point of the Hotel.
doesn't work god will just melt then
Anti air turrets will smoke them out of the sky.
Family time
how come Angel Dust or any of the others didn't care when Sir Pentious got dragged into that sex room and he was clawing at the floor? They walked right by it happening
He asked for it. Also they're still in hell.
>Also they're still in hell.
Angel D is a dummy then. he can't have that sort of attitude when he's trying to redeem himself into Heaven!
Isn't he just staying at the hotel for a bit of self-improvement and a place to stay? Maybe he doesn't really care about the heaven component
To start, yes, but now he seems to really want to try bettering himself. When Sir Pentious arrived and everyone was praising him for him trying Angel got visibly upset
Yea he's still a sinner, but not completely hopeless.
He said he was going to have sex with everyone. They figured he'd be fine cause the club is called "Consent". He didn't call a Safeword either, so it's not like Pentious even believed he was in danger. He was just getting cold feet
I can't figure out if he got raped or not. He had all his clothes on when he came back, but he doesn't exactly have pants either. And he was panting a bit too. Was he running away and fighting people in that room?
>husk can't say shit to Alastor
>But Alastor is on Liliths leash
>if Husk dies Angel&Charlie get upset
>ergo Lilith also gets upset
>Alastor will also die
Why is he so scared?
'Charlie is upset over Hell being Hell' is an everyday occurrence. If Alastor really wanted to, he could bullshit together an excuse or two and replace Husk.
last song is a banger
>hey so we only have 8 episodes should we cut down the story to fit
>nah just throw the resolution of every single thread we thought of in there with absolutely no buildup, whatever
The conclusions of madmen
You realise this is the first season of 2 right? And that Vivzie has already said she will need / intends for there to be 4 seasons?
That's even worse, why are they rushing the everloving frick out of season 1 then?
I'll just repost what i said last thread.
I think its simple, She's using season 1 to frontload literally ALL of the worldbuilding and introduce ALL of the characters who need at least an episode to be introduced. And leave whatever BIG SHIT she wants to do with all these introduced elements and characters for later seasons.
I think its basically confirmed at this point that Season 1 will end with them somehow defeating/killing/fending off Lute and Adam and getting over the baby's first antagonist/foil to the main cast, And the Hotel and Charlie's 'redemption project' being accepted and formalised by heaven because Emily intervenes - Or something to that effect.
So then Season 2 and potentially onwards will open with them actually trying to get people 'redeemed, And during that process 'whatever' faux-Lilith/Root/Eve/something-not-spoiled-yet/etc ACTUAL threat which is 'worse then Adam and Lute' will be revealed and then the actual BIG SHIT will start happening. Along with closing other plot-lines which were introduced in season one like the V.V.V.'s and so forth.
I don't necessarily 'agree' with this logic of constructing and pacing the show, but a method is there nonetheless.
Yeah, if. Helluva Boss being exactly the same rushed, incoherent mess doesn't give me any faith in that idea whatsoever.
Speaker of God is the probable big bad, betting zero dollars on it showing up in some capacity in the season finale
>Actress of color
Speaker of God, is close to Messager of God so Gabriel?
4 seasons minimum* she can keep on going with this and hopes for a 3 V's spin off
They're not going to do that, on account of not even trying to touch Angel's backstory shit, which is apparently pretty vast. You just now got to see a peek at his Heaven-dwelling sister.
Most probably outcome is, they'll off Adam here, have a new Heaven big bad show up and that'll be the theme for the next seasons, but this time you get a nice little story that's halfway complete.
Made for Charlie
But anon, that's Incest!
And?
I hope full demon powers Charlie appears next week? Are we ready for it? Is her demon form just the red eyes and flaring hair, or is there going to be so much more? If Alastor can grow giant, how big can Charlie get?
Kaiju Charlie!
Her pet goats Razzle and Dazzle are actually a disguised pair of dragons, so she can probably go sicko mode too. Fingers crossed.
we won't get it.
She's too gentle
Why are hazbin fans so obsessed with powerlevelhomosexualry
because it's fun.
we keep seeing glimpses of demon charlie, and we want to see the whole thing!
Cinemaphile on the whole loves powerwank.
Who would win?
Is the fat clow boss really above Stolas and Alastor?
Even the bee sparkle dog?
TOTAL SINNER DEATH
All sinners must die!
>maskless
its shit
She's way hotter without the mask
Ah, I see you are a man of culture as well
Why people in animation insist on making Black folks skin tone sickly ashy grey? If they're gonna draw a Black person just draw a Black person
Maybe Viv shouldn't have bothered with Charlie and Vaggie so she could ship her with Emily.
Frick, just noticed that Adam was eating ribs
duh
If season 1 ends in Heaven vs Hell and Viv didn't think she would get a season 2. What do we make season 2 about?
I know Viv wants 3 season of Hazbin Hotel. They're planning a 4th season of Helluva Boss.
>Vox dies in season 1.
>Season 2 has the V girl take over.
Anyone checking the dubs?
Any good song?
Some outstanding voices ?
Are those noses ?
>SAY IT!!!
>My name is Alastor...AND I AM YOUR b***h!!!