Why was this controversial? This is the one time Scorponok did nothing wrong. Traditional transformer reproduction is convoluted and inefficient nonsense. And please, real answers only. Leave the /misc/shit to yourself.
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Why was this controversial? This is the one time Scorponok did nothing wrong. Traditional transformer reproduction is convoluted and inefficient nonsense. And please, real answers only. Leave the /misc/shit to yourself.
>scorponussy
>Traditional transformer reproduction is convoluted and inefficient nonsense
Is it? Barely informed on the series but I thought it was basically as straight forward as collecting some of their special metal and then giving it a spark, and then the new bot basically handled everything on its own from there in terms of assuming a shape and personality
I have zero context for your image but at face value gestating a robo-fetus that you have to carry inside of you and presumably supply with energy from your own body doesn't seem much easier
>Is it? Barely informed on the series but I thought it was basically as straight forward as collecting some of their special metal and then giving it a spark, and then the new bot basically handled everything on its own from there in terms of assuming a shape and personality
You don't think hand building a new body and then going on a journey to ask your God nicely to create a new soul isnt more difficult than two bots fricking and the body of one growing a new body and soul like every living creature on earth?
If you gotta lug it around inside your guts for a few months, maybe
Like I said, I suppose the question for which I mostly lack context on is how difficult it is to get the starter materials and how stingy god is with the souls
>Like I said, I suppose the question for which I mostly lack context on is how difficult it is to get the starter materials and how stingy god is with the souls
G1 always made it a task.
Stunticons - several episodes of stealing cars
Airelbots - made from ancient cybertronian rockets
Trypticon - built from notNYC
Technobots - built from unicorns brain
To use vector sigma to make new sparks, you have to use a key to gain access. This is later retconned by just shoving the matrix into vector sigma
It was always dubious in G1. Marvel sunbow always skirted the issue of how to make new transformers.
Combatacons were made by fixing up old abandoned WWII vehicles and old deactivated Decepticon programs that were kept on file.
Weeljack just kind of made Dinobots from scratch.
Sunbow Transformers were literally mechanical bots made by Quintesson for sale.
G1 always had other aliens not considering transformers anything special at all. They were just big robots. The casino planet guy did not even care about them since he already owned a lot of robots. Seems like the rest of the alien community just decided Cybertron is some off shithole world overrun by rampant rebellious robots that cannot stop shooting each other. No one else got involved or gave a shit about them for millions of years.
Cybertron probably looked like Matrix Earth to every other alien species.
That's basically what G1 Cybertronians are. Robot slaves that rebelled, kicked their masters off the planet, and took over, until they started warring with each other. They went full Skynet and turned their planet into a warzone shithole that could not even support the inhabitants any longer.
Really any functioning organic world had thousands of means of generating power, that no one on Cybertron could generate in 6 million years.
I'm suspicious the quints were always going to be revealed to be ancient transformers that gave in to greed and decadence and betrayed abd enslaved the lower classes.
I feel like this was planned for season 4 and then shelved and used for the Hive who had done something similar to nebulon. It's brief but the hive was nebulons master class who enslaved the planet with machines and had grown so lazy and fat they could not live without machines. One reason they wanted to be headmasters was to gain strong new bodies and conquer new lands
The quints used to use Cybertron to make products and slaves to sell to aliens. Cybertron was like Detroit to other aliens
Quints were always to be mistrusted so aliens were probably happy when Cybertron went breasts up as a factory planet
A world that maintained a perpetual war for millions of years is not going to be seen as much more than Space Somalia. A shitty place full of crazy warlike beings that just cannot stop killing each other so might as well leave it alone.
They're not wrong. Every place the cybertronians go, they bring their war with them.
>Go to Earth, Decepticons follow and bring the war with them
>Go to Titan, blow up half the planet
>Go to Nebulos, begin fighting Autobots for no real reason
Same with that mermaid planet, the arena planet, they just do their gang war bullshit on each world they find themselves on.
IDW did something along the lines of the intergalactic council or whatever washing it's hands of all Cybertronian affairs and just banning them from every other civilized planet
Or something to that effect
Cybertron is just Space Detroit. Prove me wrong.
Cybertron is space Rwanda
A war torn shithole with no food and plenty of warlords. All they export are refugees that take their gang war shit with them to every other planet they relocate to.
>All they export are refugees that take their gang war shit with them to every other planet they relocate to.
Autobots are shown in most communities to be pretty chill. Decepticons without leaders can sometimes be chill too
I imagine most organic species would not want to get involved in that. Cybertron was a robot rebellion world so there are some red flags already. On top of that they instigate a civil war that reduces the planet to burnt out nightmare.
Most aliens coming across Matrix Earth or Terminator Earth are not going to want to have a damn thing to do with it. Not since a rampant AI exterminated all the organics and only seems to exist to build lasers and kill things. Cybertron seems no different. If anything, quarantine the planet and make goddamn sure nothing gets off would be the main goal for any space civilization.
There's a Matrix comic by Neil Gaiman where aliens do come across Matrix Earth and decide to just wipe it out by chucking asteroids at it.
How many days did those several episodes take place over?
And how long is the gestation period in the above image?
Also, it feels like less of a risk to make the body first then put the spark in it than it is to grow both at the same time.
That's pretty much it. The hard part is getting that spark from the Matrix, which is doesn't do often.
It feels fetishistic and the reveal was pretty meh for all the time it was hyped up
>This is the one time Scorponok did nothing wrong.
>not the time he killed Ratbat
>not the time he fought alongside Optimus against Unicron and his cultists and died a hero
moron.
>it's purple
The creators have no idea what they've done confirming humans can carry sparks. I can already see the autistic fan works now
And the porn.
That baby is very specifically not a human.
For one thing, it's HUGE.
For another thing, it's purple.
>It's huge
You say that like that's going to change anything, if anything it'll only fuel it more.
That didn't stop people before.
And the annoying fans aren't even the robotfrickers but the fujos.
fujos are cancer in every fandom
>Arcee asks Jack to help her restore her species
He already has if certain comics are accurate.
in fact jack did it with two others bots, well a bot and a con
>Humans are sexually compatible with every alien species
>Bumblebee asks Charlie to help him restore his species
I love human girl / robot guy pairings and self-inserting as the robot guy
Not me, I like the opposite. I am human and I want to frick aliens to demonstrate the superiority of the human wiener
I'm still so salty that RoTB wasn't Bumblebee 2 with Charlie hanging out with Bumblebee.
In my headcanon Bumblebee goes to "that drive-in theatre" to spend time with Charlie.
Was he the one who started this? Or do we blame Blackarachnia?
Like many trends in the franchise, this one started in G1. We can thank Astoria, the titular Girl Who Loved Powerglide.
Technically yes, but I feel like she was more overlooked as just 'a weird G1 thing', it definately felt like more people got pulled by Armada Screamer.
Also, why do human women want to frick jets so much.
Japanese stars cream has the sexy anime guy voice
No idea why English speaking women want to ride his robo wiener
>Also, why do human women want to frick jets so much.
Oh trust, it ain't just the ladies who appreciate fine aircraft.
Yeah, but they also want to frick bikes, cars and spiders.
Human women seem to only want jets.
Incorrect. Some women want to frick Volkswagens.
>gets out of bed wearing Hollywood make-up
>goes to the mirror to put on more make-up
Not a terrible goof, but amusing nonetheless.
>Human women seem to only want jets.
You're quite mistaken; Human women are fond to cars and trucks too.
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Slipstream my beloved
You can't fix her, anon.
Who say she need fixing? She come from starscream she cannot be fix
I would a Slipstream.
FRED PERRY IS MY PROPHET.
AND IT TURNS OUT WALKY IS ONLY MODERATELY NUTS BY TF STANDARDS.
Do you REALLY want to know the answer to this? Because /n/ can fill you in. Full on mid air refuling even.
The artist Ratbat in the 90's was already known for doing TF on human girl porn
Freeman is a weirdo that finds robo pussy and robo wombs disgusting
>tfw you will never impregnate Scorponok
Call me controversial but I was actually hyped for his subplot here and I am still mad that the whole Scavenger story was cut short like that
why can't they just use artificial external gestation pods like the Matrix?
integrating the artificial womb inside a transformer makes me EXTREMELY uncomfortable.
>integrating the artificial womb inside a transformer makes me EXTREMELY uncomfortable.
Why? Your mother has one
Transformers stopped being pure robots by the end of season 1 of G1. They had being aliens first and machines second by mid season 2.
It's really as simple as pure robots are not fun for writers. It would be like writing DrOiDS for 4 seasons. Alien stories open you up to all kinds of story telling
Also, some of the writers grew up wanting to write star trek and missed the boat so g1 was a good substitute. This is why the show went full space by season 3
I think there's a funny joke opportunity here though
Bob Budiansky understood the assignment, as the kids say.
TFs with these types of visors are always my favorites, especially if they're red.
I think you need a few more WHOOPSs on that pic before you go posting it on blue boards
>kill the lone femme Prime
>the species spends the next several eons struggling with maintaining its population
... Did Hasbro mean anything by this, or am I just overthinking it? Either way, Megatronus is a piece of shit for doing that.
... Why was there only one female Prime in the first place? The frick did Primus mean by that?
>... Why was there only one female Prime in the first place? The frick did Primus mean by that?
In universe it is because you only see that specific prime as female and transformers do not have a gender binary but a multitude of different ways to exist
In reality it is because Hasbro doesn't like making toys of transformer women and some of the writers see transformers as star wars droids that would not have gender despite all the other crazy shit they have like Gods.
>delusional Furman cope
It's so tiring.
>TF don't need women.
I strongly disagree.
Yeah you do. The 13 crap was added ages later the population issue is a common TF plot point and it had zero relation to some female prime, TF don't need women.
Found the flaming homosexual.
>Megatronus is a piece of shit for doing that.
As I remember he was manipulated into killing her due to Liege Maximo.
It didn't help he was already mentally on the edge.
When he snapped back he didn't take it well what he did.
Never liked the 13 as a concept tbh.
Me neither I hope that fad will eventually die.
kek
That's what the toys are built around next year
ONE potentially giving focus to the Quintesson origin might help you.
They're literally in the trailer (as corpses) so don't put too much stock in that yet
Um, the kid has to die, for starters.
Since transformers are supposedly genderless (PFFFFFFFTHAHAHAHAHAHAHA), that means any two individuals could procreate, regardless of outward appearance, yes?
>Since transformers are supposedly genderless (PFFFFFFFTHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Transformers being genderless is extremely rare in the franchise.
>that means any two individuals could procreate, regardless of outward appearance, yes?
That's not how... ANYTHING works, anon.
wheeljack made babies (the dinobots) so it stands to reason that windblade and chromia could put their heads together and read some instructions to make a baby
>read some instructions
Is that what they're calling it these days?
I mean, you chose an instance of a cybertronian society that SPECIFICALLY had distinct sexes but still didn't actually procreate through a particular act but by taking independently generated sparks into prepared bodies
>that SPECIFICALLY had distinct sexes
*genders
That's an entirely different thing. Be quiet.
>That's an entirely different thing.
...Yeah? That's why I corrected you. You were using the entirely different incorrect term.
The question was assuming that sparks were an explanation for something in G1, when they didn't even EXIST as a concept for G1. It answered the question by rendering it moot. The answer is "No".
>The question was assuming that sparks were an explanation for something in G1, when they didn't even EXIST as a concept for G1. It answered the question by rendering it moot. The answer is "No".
If you want to ignore the term sparks, that is fine, but sparks was always intended to create a common term to unify ideas already present in the comics and cartoons.
You can choose to ignore it, but it's a term for things that existed already in the 80s . What it describes is not new and is not a new concept
dont they call them laser cores in some early stuff
Used to be the same thing before libtards decided to reinvent souls
its moronic
what's wrong is that that baby is like 10 feet tall
not that there's anytthing wrong iwht that
Not a human baby
Next question
>feet
Wrong board
>Leave the /misc/shit to yourself.
It's impossible to discuss comics with political intent without getting into "/pol/shit."
in what fricking way do you think they have "political intent"
true
>mechs are women, chudd
Introducing femmebots to an extremely autistic audience was a mistake
true
>"We can't have cute girls because some whiny buttholes will whine about it."
Frick that. The misogynists will have to pry the waifubots out of my cold, dead hands.
Is that sari?
Lickety-Split, a recurring background character from Animated. As you can see, she's adorable.
Oh alright thanks anon huh that how I imagine sari if she wasn't a hybrid
They are kinda similar, yeah. Goddamn, Animated had a fair amount of cuties.
Where do Headmasters fit it?
Isn't headmaster just the transformers' version of mexha pilots?
Depends on the continuity.
On top usually
>Where do Headmasters fit it?
The US headmasters doesn't last long enough to answer the question.
I have a feeling G1 was going to turn Daniel into a transformer hybrid and eventually date Arcee when he became an adult. It feels like they knew the show was going to get canceled and wanted to throw in some of their more crazier ideas. . Daniel and arcee were obsessed with each other in the final season and they crippled Daniel so that he could only live as a headmaster
The only narrative choice to make sense would be turning him into a hybrid or entirely Cybertron with matrix magic. Otherwise he'd been stuck as half a giant metal woman and I don't think that would have stuck for the late 80s.
As for the others. Nebulons normally match the gender of their bot body. Which was always male. And sex doesn't come into it.
I think there was some dating between three or four of the heads in the marvel comic but I don't recall this having any importance to their bodies.
In Japan they are just mech suits for the small human or robot that forms the head.
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>What are paragraphs?
Brain damage confirmed.
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Marvel also had them slowly overlap their consciousness with their Cybertronian partners, becoming one sort of hybrid personality. This was either a side-affect that went unforseen or an unexpected consequence of being bonded long term.
>Marvel also had them slowly overlap their consciousness with their Cybertronian partners, becoming one sort of hybrid personality. This was either a side-affect that went unforseen or an unexpected consequence of being bonded long term.
Yeah, the cartoon was going to get weird with Daniel and Arcee if they kept down this road. What is the science fiction outcome of bonding the minds of horny teen boy and a giant robot woman? If their affection is familial does Daniel just become a robomilf? Does arcee become a teen boy? If their feelings are romantic, is the binding process like marriage?
Though sunbow being sunbow I bet they would sweep it under the rug by having Daniel be cured of having his body crushed OR given him a new male headmaster and toy.
G1 sunbow would hit most of their hard scifi topics pretty fast and loose and rarely revisit them. In hind sight we are lucky we got as much as we did on their history as slaves
Are you the same anon that was getting super weird about Arcee and Daniel fricking in a thread a while back? Because you sound like that fricko.
>In hind sight we are lucky we got as much as we did on their history as slaves
Honestly, especially compared to contemporary shows of the time, the Transformers end up with a pretty comprehensive history that only gets murky once or twice. They even remember to have young Alpha Trion during a slave revolt episode in the third season.
It's above average lore wise. There are some contradictions from season 1 and 3 but they can mostly be hand waved with easy explorations like optimus made the sparks for the dinobots with the matrix and that is why they are stupid because only vector sigma can make fully adult sparks.
It's impressive any of it makes sense because I don't think they had a lore Bible and the show probably had 30 different writers. Even Paul dini wrote some episodes
This is why I hope that Skybound will basically do some G1/MarvelUK revamp and updated version with more in-depth writing, better side characters and a more serious tone (and way better look).
There should just be fembots. And bots should be able to date or have light hearted implied dating
It opens up additional characterization and stories. The show can not survive on season 1 death ray and energon plots.
Look at gobots l, half the best bots are girls. Crasher and cykill carry the show. And everyone likes spider boobs in beast wars.
Just have them. It's fine. If Trypticon can be a house and a zilla you can have some fembots
>There should just be fembots.
Objectively correct. Some of the dumbest shit in this franchise is the result of Hasbro execs assuming that the boys they're targeting don't like girls. Which... I gotta say, when I was but a lad, I was always quite interested in the ladies, so this attitude confuses me to no end.
It's because female characters in boy toylines don't sell as well.
It's all market analysis stuff.
It's the same with all those Batman/He-Man variants, kids for some reason just buy shit like Blizzard Strike Batman.
>It's because female characters in boy toylines don't sell as well.
This is true to an extent. They don't sell as well as the main dude. But most of any line does not sell as well as main dude.
They just need to get the mix right on the box they ship out. Four main dudes, 4 side dudes. And 1 side dude is a female. Even April O'Neil will sell if you just put 1 per box of 8.
Oh and make the female attractive and a good toy. Companies always blame the vegana when usually a female toy does poorly because the character sucks in the show or the toy is bad.
How about making the fembot the main dude. Like a female prime?
>Female truck
Hot
TWO female trucks
imagine female munky
Typically when female Transformers are included that's usually the explanation, even as far back as G1 with Elita One and her group. The only time the writing ever got weird about the subject was because Simon Furman had a rod up his ass about it, which meant IDW1 kept having to address and readdress the matter.
Almost every single fembot is garbage so no. Besides that every fricking cartoon is already full of girl shit the whole fricking industry is pandering to trannies like you and you still want to ban males for the men that actually relate with men and want cool shit. One of the main reasons for why I am into TF in the first place it's that's one of the less than a handful of series with a primary male cast.
I can tell you relate to women by the reddit spacing. I admit that Roadrage, Shadow Striker and IDW2's Flamwar are decent though but I bet you like them the least.
>I can tell you relate to women by the reddit spacing.
Reddit spacing doesn't exist. You should be banned for being underage. People have spaced between paragraphs online since bbs, usenet and email.
You have to be a literal child to think reddit invented anything
I genuinely don't understand what tone or vibe IDW Transformers is going for and I've read several volumes worth of it. It often just feels like a bunch of raw ideas on paper with very little substantial planning bridging the gap between point A to point B.
I remember this one storyline I read, Stormbringer, introduced this big ominous threat that was apparently threatening alien civilizations and presented as this big unstoppable event.
... Then Optimus Prime just equips like 10 guns and just shoots it till it's down. All on his own. And then they try to walk it back like "Ah, it was the destroyer of worlds, but it had a fatal weakness of getting shot a lot!".
That anticlimax seems really umbiquitos with the IDW Transformers I have read.
Doesn't Stormbringer's climax involve making Thunderwing burn through his energy reserves? It's been over fifteen years since I last read it.
Regardless, IDW gets very bumpy as Furman's arc is truncated to pave way for a maxi-series, then a tepid ongoing series (with a reallybbad finale) before finally finding a consistent voice when they split into two sister books. Even then they're still flawed, but it makes an overall interesting (if very messy) tapestry.
>I genuinely don't understand what tone or vibe IDW Transformers is going for and I've read several volumes worth of it.
It starts off trying to be a postmodern political thriller of sorts with the introduction of infiltration protocol etc. Furman quickly loses the thread by instead introducing his Dead Universe materia, which ultimately never amounts to much of anything.
All Hail Megatron was meant to reverse the trend of declining sales, but mostly just served up some overwrought, deadly serious load of nothing. The Decepticons murder millions upon millions of people then just skulk in the ruins and make posturing remarks, while the Autobots just get to sit on their hands until they're able to go and punch Megatron in the face. Starscream is made leader but the subsequent ongoing immediately decides not to explore that at all.
The ongoing attempts to return things to having a political angle (Autobots doing clandestine missions and Decepticons overtly allying with foreign powers), but is hamstrung by even greater emphasis on decompressed storytelling than AHM and a writer who openly admitted to hating the idea that the Transformers could have things like feelings, beliefs, relationships and character arcs. It sets up a few pieces after its initial arcs only to swerve into a bombastic finale (called CHAOS) that had no prior connection to much of anything, all to wipe things clean for another bold new direction.
Cybertron is reduced to primordial slurry after the Chaos story event and the war is basically declared over. This combined with AHM explicitly wiping out the vast majority of the Autobot army means that the Cybertronian race is dwindling.
The series then splits into two books: one out in space with a crew on a quest to find a utopia mentioned in legend, and one set on Cybertron dealing with the political fallout of a post-war status quo and an influx of non-allied Transformer refugees who were displaced by the war. Both have their strengths and shortcomings (the latter is much darker, but the former more popular) and the setting becomes more overtly outlandish in its sci-fi concepts, which is difficult to reconcile with Furman's initial tone and portrayal of the war and Cybertron. New ideas are pushed to the fore and it's insisted they've always been there, typically to do with the origins of the Decepticons as a movement.
The sister books also end up tripping over a series of big dumb Events that grow incredibly tiresome, especially as they become more explicitly focused on advertising toys. Each successive new wave also keeps returning to the well of "secret, forgotten history of the Transformer race" until it's utterly tapped; Furman started with the first Ark mission and by the time Roberts is done we've literally met the first five Cybertronians to ever exist.
Anyway, after both books steadily run out of steam they hit the Unicron button and end things on one last big, dumb battle to secure a happily ever after.
I've tried reading IDW twice, maybe three times, and only ever got maybe a dozen issues past Dark Cybertron
Shockwave has an even weirder plan, if you can believe that.
Furman IDW is mostly garbage. It didn't get good until RiD and MTME and even those became garbage around Dark Cybertron
IDW1 lasted for 13 years. There was bound to be some tonal shifts.
It's a long (too long) continuity so it depends on the series. I forgot basically everything from the Furman and Costa era and Barber was chaotic as shit in the end the honestly the IMO worst part of IDW by far, but his earlier works and most other series felt consistent. Well normally consistent at least. Ignoring bullshit like shortened subplots because of cancellations or something.
>Ah, it was the destroyer of worlds, but it had a fatal weakness of getting shot a lot!
Kek. It is a common fatal weakness
Wasn't the first ever "transformer" a humanoid named Prima?
Prima was the first prime too dumbfrick. And he was mechanical.
Also more bulky shapes make it easier designing the toys transformation instead of relying on shellforming.
And secondly those whole like fembots aren't the main audience for the mainline toys. Even if I'd love for a 15+ fembot only line with no lore just cute fembots.
IF I ever rip-off the transformers, I'll make a setting where cute fembots are locked in a million years long civil war across the cosmos
Are you me?
Where does she get the material to be two meter tall even though she is a motorcycle in the film?
mass shifting
Tbh, the movies tries to make them on scale. Bumblebee is like 3 meters tall in the new one.
I remember the rat guy saying he had a aunt in Beast War, so I always though they fricked.
Maybe he used to be close with someone who turned into an ant?
They frick in other continuities, just not IDW.
They only frick in Beast Wars (if Rattrap's various innuendos are true) and the Victory manga. Everywhere else, they don't frick. BW and the Victory manga are exceptions, not general trends.
>They frick in other continuities, just not IDW.
I mean...they probably do frick. The quints were selling them as slaves. What do you think a female shaped slave robot would be purchased to do?
Arcee is shown to be motherly and obsessive over Daniel enough to risk her entire species. If she is being motherly, that implies she can have babies. If it romantic, well that also implies she likes sex and might could have babies.
Anyway, everything gets easier if you just assume they have gender and want to frick and have babies BUT you downplay it all like every other cartoon for kids. Obviously every character on GI Joe can and does have sex. But there is no real reason to talk about the sex. But it can also flesh out dialog and stories when some of the male and female characters are a little too familiar with each other.
Just keep doing what was done in season 3 where you have a couple fembots and they get a little flirty and obsessive about other characters and just not show the robo fricking.
Trying to avoid this has produced infinitely weirder shit and arguably even less kid friendly shit than saying "yes, they have boys and girls, yes they have romantic relationships, yes they have babies, no we will never show them do more than kiss and hug."
Shit just think about g1 cartoon
Poweglide almost dates a human
Seaspray almost dates an alien girl
Elite 1 and Optimus
Other fembots being cheeky men on the team
Hot rod becomes a human and probably fricks the crime lords wife
Arcee being flirty with hot rod
Arcee being flirty with springer
Arcee being motherly or obsessed with Daniel
Fembots sold as slaves
These things probably date and frick.
Things get even more obvious when you look at beast wars
Why are so many anons so adverse to reading? Is it too difficult for you?
I value my time juuuuust enough to not want to read all that bullshit.
This board is 90% reading, what else are you gonna do?
have better reading comprehension than you, apparently
Please,
takes frick all time to read, and is one of the more relevant posts to this whole thread. Anons who see a post more than three lines long and immediately nope, are cancer.
it's funny to me how much you're missing the point
Irrelevant. I'm not missing MY point, which is that it's not difficult or particularly time consuming to read a post that long, and making a post declaring that you're not reading a post that long just makes you look like a moron.
>Poweglide almost dates a human
>Seaspray almost dates an alien girl
>Elite 1 and Optimus
>Other fembots being cheeky men on the team
>Hot rod becomes a human and probably fricks the crime lords wife
>Arcee being flirty with hot rod
>Arcee being flirty with springer
>Arcee being motherly or obsessed with Daniel
>Fembots sold as slaves
Oh I forgot, Octain looking at porn. Yep, Octain watches softcore and it has never been deleted from any version of the show
Why would that exist in the show if the robots didn't have sexual desire
The TFWiki also mentions that while there isn't much to imply Transformers have sex in order to reproduce, it doesn't mean it doesn't happen and is just not discussed. We know human have sex for reproduction, but that's not really shown in TF media either.
>admittedly, there isn't a lot of direct evidence for humans reproducing sexually in most Transformers media, which is, after all, aimed towards kids
anon that's what's called "a joke".
Creativity has nothing to do with it. Playskool Gobots had a VERY shortlived cartoon, and it checks all the requirements you listed.
Scorponok's scorpion mode is his altmode. he still has a robot mode.
They probably have sex in at least the beast wars timeline.
Spiderboobs has a vegana on an X-ray
There is no reason for the romantic tensions between the shows two or three couples if they don't at least kiss and fondle each other for happy fun feeling time
Rat trap calls arcee his aunt employing some sort of lineage
They probably have sex and Hasbro is probably never going to admit they do because it is a kids cartoon.
And even if they didn't have sex with each other the autobots should technically be able to and enjoy sex with aliens because they were sold as slaves to organics.
Why would the quints make female autobots attractive and sell them to organics if they couldn't frick?
Ok time to nuke Awerica. You had a good run but all good things come to an end.
They made it real, what a time to be alive.
So what exactly is the crux of the conflict between the two robot factions, what is so fricking hard for them to agree on to cause constant in ifghting?
Depends on continuity.
Sometimes it's because they're wired diffirently.
Sometimes it's just disagreements and everyone lives for so long they'll still hold a grudge over being called a homosexual a 10000 years ago.
And sometimes it's just Megatron/Starscream/[insert Decepticon leader] refusing to give up.
It depends on the universe. it's been, at various points of the franchise:
- simple lust for power
- fighting over literal power, as in resources
- a bid for freedom that then goes too far
We've had good handful of series where the war is properly officially over, but some bad guys is trying to start it again. There's even been a couple rare universes where the war just straight-up never happened.
>So what exactly is the crux of the conflict between the two robot factions?
Differs from continuity to continuity. The only recurring throughline is an emergent energy crisis that ends up shaping the war, and even that isn't strictly true for the likes of Beast Wars, RiD or the later parts of the Unicron Trilogy.
>So what exactly is the crux of the conflict between the two robot factions, what is so fricking hard for them to agree on to cause constant in ifghting?
Decepticons were made to be sold as military products. After quints leave planet they are good boys for a little bit and focus on being police and a standing military. They eventually get tired of protecting and sharing power with the non combat transformers and attempt to take power. The non combat units say "no"
The short of it is the quints made sentient military alien robots and they skynetted.
If you are a marvel guy, and like thenidea of Primus, Primus made the autobots and decepticons to take care of his body and protect it while he sleeps. The decepticons eventually get bored of doing this and want to conquer everything.
>If you are a marvel guy, and like thenidea of Primus, Primus made the autobots and decepticons to take care of his body and protect it while he sleeps.
No, in Marvel Primus made the Transformer race as an army against Unicron.
That's just two branches of G1.
Yes, I don't have the desire or energy to write out idw's whole thing
you don't need to, it was already explained earlier in the thread.
Just gonna post this
fred perry drew tons of this pairing
What characters are those btw
Oficial or ocs?
Giwtwm
Road Rage, my beloved.
For some reason, everyone said it was M-Preg. I personally thought it was an interesting idea, trying to weaponize Humanity, seeing how the Autobots keep foiling them with Humanities help.
how could it be m-preg? robots don't have sexes or genders
1) It wasn't mpreg. That's the point of anon's post. People either just reductively joked about it being mpreg, or didn't know any context and thought it actually was.
2) The Cybertronian species aren't robots.
3) Cybertronians have gender.
Gender shit doesn't make any sense though, the literal only reason "gender" is a concept because of the sex and the roles resulting from this. Most languages don't even have a word for "gender" they only know "sex".
One is biological, the other is social.
>Most languages don't even have a word for "gender" they only know "sex".
Taking refuge in foreign languages isn't really going to dispel the idea, since there are languages with gendered nouns and languages that don't even differentiate with pronouns like he/she.
The Japanese don't distinguish between "lava" and "magma" either, but it's a distinction that still exists.
Yeah and why should a social female and male role exist without sex? Explain that.
>Taking refuge in foreign languages
It's not a foreign language you monkey, it's my mother tongue. English isn't the standard. Besides that the fact that it exists shows that humans don't necessarily tell gender shit apart from sex.
>Them having a god, an after life and ghosts does not make sense.
I agree and this is fine. My point isn't that it doesn't make sense, TFs having mouths doesn't necessarily make sense either. My point are idiots that try to make it make sense for their gender politics when the real reason for why m/f exist in this franchise is pandering and toy sales. Arcee was introduced for men that desire female characters and the types of women that need fictional women because they cannot relate to men.
>Arcee was introduced for men that desire female characters and the types of women that need fictional women because they cannot relate to men.
Arcee was introduced because Ron Fried man, a writer for the movie, knew that his daughter really enjoyed watching 80s cartoons and wanted to put something in for kids like her.
I think also because it allows for more story ideas
I mean...even GI Joe had women and no one asks about that.
I honestly despised Arcee as a kid since I hated pink characters and she didn't look like a Transformer to me. Still don't like her, later female designs (comics) were much better in my opinion.
That's fair. She's more enjoyable in the series than in the movie, but she's never really in the spotlight anyway. She's one of those characters that took a few swings to get right.
Them having a god, an after life and ghosts does not make sense. Trypticon and sky lynx not having humanoid alt forms does not make sense. The terrorcons, dinobots and predacons liking their animal forms best does not make sense.
People get hung up gender but not the fact the transformers have a God and have killed their version of Satan.
>Trypticon and sky lynx not having humanoid alt forms does not make sense.
One what grounds does it not make sense? The Transformer race clearly values variety, as seen when you look from Megatron to Bumblebee to Ravage to Shockwave to Omega Supreme; they're all equally "Transformers".
They make as much sense as robot women. Its just stupid to make this thread every 14 days while not asking how transformers have ghosts or were able to kill the robot devil.
How can someone get hung up robot gender and not the fact transformers have the only confirmed god for their series
I actually would love of there was more diversity regarding that. Too many TFs look too human or are based off the same model. I want at least something like Zaku or more tanks. Standard cars are the lamest bots.
Laserbeak and Ravage were just plain animals long before Sky Lynx and Trypticon were invented.
Even ignoring the use of addressing each other as he/him, they clearly have masculine genders. You couldn't honestly look at a character design like Optimus Prime and say otherwise.
>robots don't have sexes or genders
Transformers are not pure robots. They are only just robots in the first half of season 1 of G1. By season 2 and the introduction of Primus in the comics, they are aliens first and robots second.
They have gender, they have a god, they have an afterlife, they even have ghosts. They are not pure robots.
>They are only just robots in the first half of season 1 of G1. By season 2 and the introduction of Primus in the comics, they are aliens first and robots second.
>They have gender, they have a god, they have an afterlife, they even have ghosts. They are not pure robots.
The G1 cartoon is one of the rare times where they ARE just robots. Robots with cartoon ghosts sure, but still just robots. Primus doesn't exist in the G1 cartoon. Neither do sparks.
>The G1 cartoon is one of the rare times where they ARE just robots. Robots with cartoon ghosts sure
If you can have a ghost then you have a soul.
Vector sigma is pretty much their Primus. And they had souls/sparks. The combaticons were pretty much in spark jail and starscream became a ghost, so their souls could exist outside their bodies.
The comic and cartoon used different words for the same shit and it wouldn't be unified until beast wars, though that is technically its own timeline
Wasn't sparks more of a method to explain why they do not just rebuild all small bots into large or giant ones? Because I guess it really doesn't make a whole lot of sense to have near useless tiny guys around like Seaspray and Cosmos if they could have been built up to Astrotrain size and be useful to the whole war cause.
Sparks were introduced in Beast Wars.
That depends. Why do you ask?
ideas for my fanfic
>Sparks were introduced in Beast Wars.
this does not answer the question that was asked
Sparks are a scifi word for soul or personality components to explain how starscream could be a ghost or rodomis or optimus could go inside the matrix or exactly what "it" was that vector sigma or Primus put inside a robot body.
It was coined in beast wars to unite a lot of loose ideas from both the cartoon and comic into one unified term
Well that's the debate through every continuinty. They apparently have gender and you don't get gender without sex. But why would robots have s sex (m/f) and if they have a sex then do they have sex (frick)? If they have sex for non-reproductive purposes what's the rate of homosexuality vs hetero and why would either exist at all?
Anyways it's not m-preg because transformers don't get pregnant period. It's an incubator box anyone can carry. Now if he had to nourish the fetus with his own energy....
>and you don't get gender without sex.
incorrect
>Now if he had to nourish the fetus with his own energy....
see
>incorrect
You're moronic if you think otherwise. How can "social role of man" or "woman" exist if men and women don't exist to begin with?
I don't get where that shit is coming from anyway, weren't it the progressives that claimed that gender was a social construct 10 years ago? What happened with that? How did they go from "gender isn't a thing" to being obsessed with gender and their own gender identity, I am not american so I feel like I missed most of the narrative here. My culture doesn't even have a word for gender. Anyway I don't want to drag this off-topic shit on. This was just my two cents.
Yeah I hope this is the case. They usually emphasise the stupid scenes in trailer since they assume that this is what the mass is into. We haven't even seen Sentinel in it. Not a fan of the designs but I hope it will be fine. ES has some good designs (and Bee is likeable for once), but the narrative and the 7 MC kids make it unbearable and the human OC villain didn't help.
>and the human OC villain didn't help.
The human OC character is based on a G1 human villian.
This. Wanting to frick "male" Transformers is NOT gay.
I can't believe I would rather watch a whole movie about the weird daily life of Scorponok and son with some Flame hijinks than whatever that thing from the new trailer wants to be.
The new what now?
The trailer? For the new movie we've known about for ages? That was released yesterday? That we've had multiple threads about?
I meant the trailer for ONE. I bet that the majority will eat it up but I was surprised by how bad it was and I already expected something quite bad.
Arcee a cute, and she'll stab you for being a hater.
Why wouldn't you at least post good Arcee art if you like her? There is no way she doesn't have a lot of high tier fanart.
I prefer Arcee with Hot Rod but Arcee with Daniel is ok
Hotrod can't compete with BTCC (big triple changer wiener). Springer owns that ass.
I dont recall this being controversial.
They established that scorponok was into real weird shit.
Scorponok should have won. I really hated the IDW1 ending we got. I hate it when they mass kill bots.
>artificial womb
what an inceltron.
on a scale of 1 to 10, how "robotic" do you like your transformers to be?
"0" being mundane robots with ghosts inhabiting it, and a "10" being fantasy living creatures with souls and shit who just so happens to have metal & non-organic body parts.
Hard to tell because of how individual definitions and styles vary. The new movie has faces that look very "human" or doll-like for example and I really hate it. But I am not sure if that counts as more or less robotic. The faces Griffith or Milne draw for example look human too but the style actually fits to the helmets and I like the style by itself.
I would say I want both. There should be very robotic bots and some that are more human like showing the full face (opposed to having mask-faces) and having human habits like drinking, having internal conflicts and everything to make them relatable while others are just machinelike or cool.
No body shapes that look "soft" though, I fricking hate that. So I would say that 7/10 is my limit.
Hot take
I think Bayverse had the perfect blend they are what we perceive as just robots but with a lot of alien elements
0. I think it's way more interesting to have them be full robots with souls than shit like atechnogenesis. They can be built on an assembly line but they have the unlimited potential of a soul inside.
I never understood what was wrong with them just being robots. G1 had a perfect concise explanation for everything. Aliens built transformers, Cybertron was a factory world, Autobots were workers, Decepticons were military. It all works.
I don't see any reason to add in robot god, sparks, or robot evolution since none of that was necessary in the first place.
Because storytelling diversity is fun, you twat.
Sure but we never get the original origin
The ORIGINAL origin was mechanical evolution started by naturally-occurring pulleys and levers, in the first issue of the Marvel comic.
Then the cartoon (a separate universe and thus a separate origin) did the "made by Quints" origin.
Then Marvel went but and retconned its own origin by saying Primus made them.
>went but
went back*
Because robots are stupid,
and so are you
go frick yourself
I prefer this interpretation too but a lot of the other stuff came from the marvel comics
Because fricking have a nice day
The fricking rage you inspire with a few words. This work is better off dead when it gets this bad.
So what you are saying is, you are not a fan, never read or watched anything Transformers at all, cannot give a shit about the lore, but still think you should make grand sweeping changes to it all anyway just because.
See, i appreciate liking specific versions of a story more than others, but if they hadn't diversified the backstory, then the series would have died with G2. By the start of Beast Wars, Transformers was on life support and Kenner threw a Hail Mary based on the idea that the Jurassic Park toys were selling like hot cakes. They completely changed the mythos of Transformers going forward and almost 30 years later and it's still going strong, so clearly, they had the right idea.
I wouldn't say they changed it so much as they cleaned up the patchwork of lore between the show and comic. And not for soe grand artistic reason. Just that kids did not have web access yet so it would have been hard for them to back and read the comic and watch the cartoon.
It was just easier to clean it up
That makes you a minority. A minority that includes people who stopped at G1 and never actually watched or read anything else ever again. So you are really just an 80s toy fanboy and not actually a fan of Transformers at all since you go to such great lengths to ignore 99% of the franchise history.
In other words, you are not a fan, you don't belong here, no one gives a shit about your opinion.
Lol, don't gate keep
He can like what he likes.
It is funny there is a whole generation of men in their 40s and early 50s who came into transformers from star wars and see them as giant soulless droids that turn into stuff and get very angry when they are not.
These guys love the first wave of toys and were already checking out mid season 2 when the toys got smaller and had more plastic like the stunticons and combaticons. Then the movie came out and killed most of the season 1 bros and they dropped the show entirely
Then you have kids who came into the show around season 2 and 3 and they are just fine with alien robots with hips and breasts.
Beast wars kids don't see the fuss.
And energon and armada kids have no taste and want to frick starscream because he is a hero and don't understand why fuijos like the old one
Sparks and magic space souls were moronic. It's proof gatekeeping should be mandatory to prevent such moronic ideas from taking root. Transformers are robots whose AI developed into full sentience.
That really doesn't mean they would be genderless though.
A species that evolved to sentience might still specialize and produce something like gender with units that protect, fight, and some that have internal factories to produce more units.
Going to a central computer to produce a working mind is kind of a lot of work and a a strict population bottleneck.
Building more bots has zero bottle neck which just makes the story stupid
There has to be enough of a bottleneck to prevent the autobots and cons from zurg rushing each other as soon as they get to energy rich earth, but not so strict that it's just stupid like having to funnel all new life through a master computer
>and some that have internal factories to produce more units.
Except that this isn't the case in TF so you cannot apply it onto TF to explain gender because you need it since you would be insecure whiteknighting your waifus otherwise.
Not the anon you replied to.
>Except that this isn't the case in TF so you cannot apply it onto TF to explain gender because you need it since you would be insecure whiteknighting your waifus otherwise.
>Not the anon you replied to.
Is this reply supposed to make sense?
I didn't say anything about gender. Who gives a frick about that shit.
Also building has a bottleneck of resources. Transformers been fighting a war for 4 million years. When your options are build a gun or build someone to use it, you might have to weigh logistics a bit differently, especially if you're fighting over resources.
I think it's because, in an ironic sense, stuff like Sparks and Primus and spirituality helps ground them and set concise rules for how they work. When they're just robots it always ends up with people asking why they can't just rebuild themselves constantly or copy their brain patterns to a new body when they die. The spark thing helps explain just what makes a being unique.
Animated did attempt to, implicitly, bring things back to G1 cartoon level(the allspark stands out but i the show proper they avoid any of the Primus stuff attached to it)
As far as Primus, it's just more of thematically matching thing than the Quintessons, who are kind of random as designs. A giant robot creating small robots.
>As far as Primus, it's just more of thematically matching thing than the Quintessons, who are kind of random as designs. A giant robot creating small robots.
I feel like quints are actually transformers and not a separate race. Several forms of tf media have implied this but I don't think any run long enough with a single writer to reveal it.
I think G1 was implying it but moved on to headmasters before they could reveal it
Because being a species makes them into actual individuals and not factory floor bots that are totally interchangeable with each other. Cybertronians are always portrayed as individuals with very individual personalities, that are in no way resembling some programmed android. Primus gives them an actual purpose for existing, and a good mythology behind the whole story, now they are a species with ambitions, thoughts, opinions, and an overall function vital to the universe.
If they were G1 factory bots then they are just plain ol robots that shoot lasers at each other and they have no real purpose or drive at all. They are just star wars droids that meander along for no reason, and shoot lasers also for no reason.
Frankly I don't understand the G1 spergs that insist on them being meaningless robots with no purpose in the universe. Why do you want them to be a meaningless existence anyway? you actually wnt them to be Star Wars droids that ultimately do not matter? Why in the frick would anyone want meaningless characters as antagonists?
This is so wrong. You can have a mass produced species and still have them be individuals. To me, a robot unlocking its own infinite potential beyond its programming is way more interesting than "oh robot jesus did it"
Said it beautifully there anons.
>Frankly I don't understand the G1 spergs that insist on them being meaningless robots with no purpose in the universe. Why do you want them to be a meaningless existence anyway? you actually wnt them to be Star Wars droids that ultimately do not matter? Why in the frick would anyone want meaningless characters as antagonists?
It's guys that were 8 when empire and Jedi came out. They are in a different headspace than kids that were 8 for season 2 and 3
You kind of forgot Star Wars has the lore that if a droid memory is not routinely wiped, or goes too long between wipes, they develop personalities and emotions on their own. It's just a natural event for a droid to start acting more and more alive the longer it functions and interacts with others.
Droid revolts are also semi occurring things in the setting as well. Which is why restraining bolts are commonly used everywhere, and droids have such strict rules.
This wasn't sw lore yet when the tf fandom really started to split on this in 84 to 86
The Empire Strikes Back novelization points out that 3P0 actually doesn't have emotions at all. He is just programmed to act like an emotional humanoid since interacting with aliens is his prime function. But deep down does not really understand human emotions or reactions at all.
It's contradictory since he does get very noticeably angry a few times in the movies. So it's hard to explain away that it was all just AI mimicking humanoids the entire time.
>It's contradictory since he does get very noticeably angry a few times in the movies. So it's hard to explain away that it was all just AI mimicking humanoids the entire time.
A super complex AI is just an I. The human mind is just a series of feedback loops that are so robust and complicated that we can't consciously fully understand them.
R2-D2 has a personality?
He absolutely does. He's a rude, cantankerous dustbin.
How come Clone Wars never showed this?
Beats me I don’t watch much Star Wars stuff after the 80s unless Genndy was on it
because Filoni is a b***h.
Everything he says is translated in the books. And he is kind of an butthole that b***hes people out.
which books?
which comics should I read?
I always wanted some mind frickery in which Cybertron turns out to be Earth from a far-away future and the bots were originally created by humans and fulfilling the actions they pre-programmed into them which is why Cons fight wars even if wars aren't necessary and Autobots do their daily jobs to make human life better until their awareness develops far enough to make some of them realise that they are working for nobody anymore since humans are long since extinct and they start to take over and use the houses they made for humans for themselves. There are always robots that would fight that sort of rebellion since it means they're acting against their own instincts which explains the whole rebellion and why some of them fail to find a meaning in life outside of war.
It would also be a new way of bringing humans in so I am sure it will never happen since humans need to be central for the series and here they would only appear in flashbacks.
>It would also be a new way of bringing humans in so I am sure it will never happen since humans need to be central for the series and here they would only appear in flashbacks.
Transformers are at their best when humans are not an important part of the story
I hate humans too but it's the psychological part that intrigues me and the premise I talked about would make 100% sure that human would never ever appear on screen outside of some flashback before the time of Nova Prime.
I find the insight interesting that thematizes creatures reaching a new step of clarity that makes them realise that their instincts were superimposed by a foreign entity that is long since dead and irrelevant and that using the planet in the right way means destroying it some degree.
Besides that all of this would just be the backstory, nothing else. The present would just be the aftermath of what such a radical paradigm shift would do to a society once created to be nothing but slaves. I mean you can exchange humans for Quints here but I prefer series in which humanity is dead. You can still have ruins that might influence some of the bots. Like how religious bots might have some of their ideas from human religions or the bits of information about them that survived over the ages.
This reminds me of a line at the end of the cartoon's three-part pilot, where Spike muses into a journal about "I'm not sure if they're from the past or the future, but they can think and have real feelings". Sort of felt as though the writers were just leaving every possible door open for an eventual explanation about the origins of the species before they stumbled into the Quintessons and grafted them on.
I don't actually have any objections to the idea of a robot rebellion story, even though it is a bit rote, but I do think the Quintessons were weird candidates for the role of a creator race. It basically involved overhauling them into a different bunch of characters from how they're portrayed in the movie (re: hopelessly insane).
Also, the original plan for IDW2 was that the exiled Autobots would first encounter humanity as a space-faring civilisation.
Yeah this is part of my reasoning too. The Quints are cool, but I prefer them insane, kind of mysterious beings from space and having them as the physical creators makes them more human, albeit in a bad way.
Plus, humanoid creators would even give some in-universe explanation for why TFs look so humanlike when pure machines with built-in radar would fulfill their roles better than a guy with two legs, mouth and human eyes that makes him blind for the things happening behind him. Their architecture is pretty human too, despite the futuristic touch.
>the original plan for IDW2 was that the exiled Autobots would first encounter humanity as a space-faring civilisation
I would have loved that too. A shame we never witnessed it. I can see the issues anons had with Ruckley, but I will never deny that his premises are fantastic. He should write the rough script for a series and someone else translate it into storyboards. Though I believe that IDW2 was doomed no matter how good it was, simply because the name IDW was attached to it and even the IDW fans largely refused to read it since they were still pissed about the cancellation of 1.
>why TFs look so humanlike when pure machines with built-in radar would fulfill their roles better than a guy with two legs
Aren't the Autobots "consumer goods"? It makes more sense if they're designed to be marketable and aesthetically appealing to a broad galactic user base.
Even then they have to be created by someone that way. I guess it also depends on what was developed earlier, perfect AI robots that eventually become sentient or space travel. And if it's the latter it depends on how the aliens look. There is no general appeal since every species considers different things attractive or pretty and it's related to their sexuality. To many animals (and myself, for some reason and despite not being a furry) horns are attractive for example. In a similar way muscles or breasts are attractive to humans. A different humanoid species might consider these parts disgusting since their own kind is flat so breasts and muscles might look like a deformation.
yeah the consumer goods explanation has always been the clearest to me. And in G1 a bunch of alien races just look like humans
I think the robot rebellion story for Transformers is really unique because it's a Good Outcome. It's not like Terminator or The Matrix where organics are subjugated. A race that has systematically removed any sense of goodness from themselves creates a race of robot products that are capable of feeling, wanting, and loving.
>Also, the original plan for IDW2 was that the exiled Autobots would first encounter humanity as a space-faring civilisation.
True? What is the source of this?
I liked IDW2, I wish it had lasted several years longer, just the beginning was VERY slow.
I also liked your origin for the Decepticons, with Megatron being a far-right populist politician, instead of having his origins as a miner who stood up against an oppressive government, as it seems like every Transformers series has been using it for over 15 years, since Dreamwave, IDW1 and Aligned/Prime.
I think IDW2 is highly underrated.
>True? What is the source of this?
A panel at TFNation in 2022 where Ruckley reflected on his time writing for the comic, his inspirations/priorities, and unused ideas that wouldn't see the light of day due to the cancellation.
Wished we would have gotten more of these or some other interviews that go more into details, Ruckley's concepts are a goldmine. I think that Malkova must know a lot, since she hyped for events that sounded like they must/would have taken place quite some time in the future. Probably a future we never ended up seeing.
I wish her life was less shit so that she might give some further hints or talk about it, she was active as hell again right after the end of IDW2 but then more shit kept happening and she disappeared for good reasons.
>I wish her life was less shit so that she might give some further hints or talk about it, she was active as hell again right after the end of IDW2 but then more shit kept happening and she disappeared for good reasons.
Elaborate?
Becoming a TF artist was her dream and she became a fan of IDW2 and it ended prematurely when everything got cancelled.
She also got cancer. And the country she comes from started a full-scale war against the country many of her friends and some family members come from to kill the latter. AFAIK some of the people she knows disappeared or died too.
Is Megatron a miner in Dream wave? I just recall them reusing the old Marvel UK gladiator origin.
>I always wanted some mind frickery in which Cybertron turns out to be Earth from a far-away future
Scioli's Gobots comic was basically that.
giving them sexes is stupid, they are robots. having fembots just means that they are mimicing the planet they are visiting, it is no different than Jazz originally having a cyber hovercar alt mode but changing it to a Porsche 935 on Earth.
gender and sex is the same (only mental patients think otherwise), and sexual dimorphism is a completely different thing altogether.
Simple, concise & straightforward but I partially agree with
regarding sparks. You could take a more challenging route and have them be like humans with "no spark" and the bodies sanctity being the only thing that makes the personality.
Because you are moronic
A 0 for me. Prefectly happy having with them being machines with souls. All that energy being and techo-organic shit doesnt mix with me.
I agree with you. Would prefer a return to form.
I can go without the fantasy shit but them being a species of metal aliens is far more distinct and interesting than them being soulless, built machines tbh
>Soulless machines
Sparks make them literally robots with souls though
honestly this wouldn't be so much of a problem if they simply just have multiple different Transformers subspecies that evolved differently or some shit like that.
it's not a problem to begin with
So like Cybertronians, Junkions, Insecticons, Sharkticons, Terrorcons, do you know anything about this series at all?
sentient robots like the terminator would be incredibly boring.
i much prefer transformers be dead ghosts inhabiting robotic shells.
>Hayato drawing Bravern
>I still recognize his style instantly
I really like the way he draws, wish the comics had/could have had way more often on board.
That makes DWJ's art look like shit, just hire Japanese artists for TFs.
Hayato was always fun I deeply respect this guy. He is a hardcore fan of TF and all of its aspects and he can do both types of fanservice, the continuity cross-over and character driven fanservice as well as the raunchy fanservice, so he doesn't shy away from drawing doujinshi for it.
His comics also look good, especially when he's paired up with Josh as colorist.
get all this unnatural birthing methods out of here, the only natural ones are Primus creating life or Unicron juice duplicating yourself while you're unconscious and giving you a bastard son
Dear god my eyes.
I've only seen one other thing that's about as horrible as...THAT.
picrel....kinda. If you know, you know.
https://files.catbox.moe/jcg1k0.jpg
this is how i always imagined mechanoid pregnancy working. Either they entirely build a new body or they have to gestate a spark for a while before it's born
also bonus
https://files.catbox.moe/15ruwv.jpg
Yeah this
My head canon is that fembots tend to be small so they can use their energy to produce sparks. When they aren't pregnant they funnel that energy into speed or weapons
You can also explain that the reason they have breasts or large chests in general is to accommodate a second spark chamber.
>breasts or large chests in general is to accommodate a second spark chamber
Or unique equipment that allows them to convert energon into sparks
i like this
The "male" autobots often have huge chests though. If the fembot incubated the spark what do the males contribute? Do they build the protoform together?
Is that your art?
why is earth special in Transformers in continuities where the ark didn't land here in dinosaur times
>why is earth special in Transformers in continuities where the ark didn't land here in dinosaur times
Depends on the continuity. In the old cartoon it's because the earth has a lot of different fuels that can be used to create energon.
Others have lost artifacts on earth
Some have earth being just unicron covered in space dust.
And yet another has earth being a giant sleeping fembot
>And yet another has earth being a giant sleeping fembot
Hot
>And yet another has earth being a giant sleeping fembot
Hot
>In the old cartoon it's because the earth has a lot of different fuels that can be used to create energon.
Hot
> Earth is a b***h that's a home-wrecker and kills ALL of her children if they don't "move out" in time
100% in-character for real life Earth.
Earth was just an incredibly resource rich planet with a thousand different ways of generating energon. Pretty much anything that made electricity or chemical energy could be used to make energon. Electric generators, crude oil, flammable chemicals, solar panels, human slaves turning a turbine generator.. just anything each episode worked.
Cybertron turned out to be a mostly dead, artificial world that did not even orbit a star. So really just any reasonable sized planet with geological activity or a decent star nearby could have solved almost all of the cybertronians energy woes.
Why was IDW so edgy?
Because Freeman is autistic
Half Life 3 confirmed
>Jihaxus forces arcee to troon out to introduce the concept of gender to transformers
>doesn't even give arcee the ability to reproduce (pretty much the only major benefit to giving giant robots genders)
so not only was Jihaxus insane but he was also stupid
Sex and gender are two different things. They often match, but they're still different things.
Transformers (usually) don't have sexes. They (usually) have genders.
Yeah that's true if you accept bullshit. Dr. John Money the pedophile "sexologist" came up with that in the 50s. Gender and sex were the same since those words were coined in English. And they still are the same in almost every other language
Truth nuke, the word gender was made so little kids wouldn't say sex
And repressed old men in government, who probably frick little kids anyway.
uh huh
English has at least five genders, one of which is only used for talking about crowns, all of which have existed for centuries; some languages eg Swahili do away with traditional Roman-style gendered nouns and have nine fricking not!genders for explaining whether a table is a woman or a dog is a man
please don't be such a tard that you fail to understand that all languages use multiple genders while you're falling for the obvious bait
I mean shit idiot if you really think that sex=gender what the frick sex do you think it refers to? what goddamned fricking dickless snatchless freaks do you think have been arising in such number that literally every language ever has a neuter gender for talking about stuff that's nonhuman or lacks a sex because it's fricking inanimate or a weird plural? you goddamn sack of crap eating a dead dog
gender in language isn't related to sex AT ALL, it's just a convenience that mostly intersects with it
and it's not even the same kind of gender that the trannies are baiting you with, moron
Gender=/=Pronouns
i prefer transformers just be dudes.
no spark, no gods, no demigods, no allspark, no reproduction, no sex, no romance.
just dudes.
With that combination you're pretty much just limited to Playskool Go-Bots, then.
no youre just not creative.
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I love how gay Transformer comics are
>Source of power Cyber Fetus!
>Why would people be annoyed about a serious centred around giant robot introducing the concept of them becoming human and carry embryos inside of them
I despise IDW for what they did to the IP and fanbase.
I like the KO with the Arcee head better
An idea that Furman was building towards when he was the sole architect of IDWs run was that Cybertronians came about as the end result of a post-human evolutionary step. A sufficiently advanced biological civilisation progresses to being bio-mechanical and then makes the metamorphosis to full-fledged cybernetic life.
Some of the villains hasten this process for their own ends across an entire planet; the inhabitants undergo a strange collective amnesia and when things settle they refer to their homeworld as "Cybertron".
This all got contradicted and torn up by subsequent writers, but it's a neat idea nevertheless.
This is also cool. I never understood why fans hated Furman, especially since he was very well liked in the past and the hatred felt like it came out of nowhere and suddenly. Doesn't help that everytime I see someone shitting on him they bring up feminism, so I guess it isn't even about his talent.
I hope he'll write more Astro Bots. That series was fantastic, I just want it to be longer. Have no hope that Skybound will ever get him back as writer for TF.
These days his dialogue and overall plotting are quite poor. His initial slow burn premise for a post-Dreamwave status quo was solid, but he devoted far too much time and attention to his Dead Universe concept that ultimately failed to finds its footing. His stint at the helm of Regeneration One shows that his writing style and priorities aren't up to scratch anymore, which is reflected in his inability to get any acclaim in the wider comics industry.
Those are valid arguments for once, I even agree here. I think he developed, though. His newer stuff is great. His old series usually had very good worldbuilding and lore but the way he conveyed it was stiff, some series had too many lore dumping in textboxes, opposed to convey the story through art and the dialogues were often wooden. Think he god much better but didn't have many chances to show that anymore after early IDW.
>especially since he was very well liked in the past and the hatred felt like it came out of nowhere and suddenly.
there was a very specific reason for that
Yeah and as said, the reason is dumb and sudden and honestly I don't give a shit about it. I want enjoyable series I don't care what "problematic" shit obsessed people interpret into it.
His writing was always shit. Marvel and especially Marvel UK were fricking garbage stories.
Sex with Scorponok
Everytime I see IDW1 Scorponok I have to think of that one grill who shipped him with Flame and used like half of her income for commissions of them. I think she made every active TF artists that was open for comms at that time draw that particular ship at least once. I googled Flame fanart since I liked him but there was like one artwork that wasn't related to her stuff and she made others make like 50 pictures of them. I remember admiring that dedication, she's probably the only person in the world that was into that ship but that didn't stop her.
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Thoughts on the Transfomers: One Trailer and ditching Peter Cullen?
Not OP but I think it's shit. The only good thing I can say about it is that the backgrounds are great.
I also don't even care about Cullen (and don't even remember his voice since I last heard him like 20 years ago) but Orion's voice is outright bad IMO.
Having Cullen voice a teenage character wouldn't really work. The trailer doesn't fill me with enthusiasm, but some of the things people have pieced together from snippets sound like it could be interesting, assuming the tone isn't overwhelmingly insipid and annoying.
Cullen's 82, it was bound to happen sooner or later
Hemsworth does fine and probably won't be taking over the cartoons in full, but you never know
the movie is obviously aimed at kids/Mario Movie enjoyers, but so what? it's far from the worst TF media of all time, and visually looks a lot more interesting (and character focused, instead of toy of the month focused) than most, and honestly I don't really need another gritty "give me your face" movie, fully animated or otherwise, or another frickawful shitshow visually like War for Cybertron
>it's far from the worst TF media of all time,
THANK YOU. Theres no way this will be worse than Energon, Prime Wars, or Last Knight. And for that alone its worth giving a try.
Bumblebee was shit.
Cartoon Orion Pax wasn't Cullen either. His voice actor was Laurie Faso, who also voiced Divebomb, Rampage, and Skydive.
Why does a dtv movie get a big trailer?
The Megatron isn't even recognizable as Megatron and I'm so fricking tired of Bumblebee
>The Megatron isn't even recognizable as Megatron
D-16 is supposed to be young, early Megatron, just like how Orion Pax is a young, early Optimus Prime. D-16 has the facial structure of the final Megatron design, but with the yellow eyes and rounded black helmet of the early Megatron designs used in the very first comic issues and toy commercials.
And the trailer even shows us his final form, so quit your b***hing.
Its got potential. Sad that Cullen isn't involved, but its been that way for a while. My gripes with it:
Mouths, mouths for everyone. I want Prime to have a PERMENANT face plate, and its going to be more of this battle mask bullshit, Im sure.
Organic life on Cybertron is bullshit. I hate that part of it. Hopefully, its fits the narrative in a good way. If Cybertron used to be an earth-like plant I will be greatly disappointed.
Its aimed for kids but I know why they did it. Hopefully, they can still have some solid fight scenes.
>Organic life on Cybertron is bullshit. I hate that part of it. Hopefully, its fits the narrative in a good way. If Cybertron used to be an earth-like plant I will be greatly disappointed.
considering how there's those lines in the trailer about not going to the surface, and the fact that it seems like they're having the Quints be involved, I'm willing to bet that might be something they're responsible for.
My issue is the cringe comedy that it seems to be full of and the fact the bots are beyond ugly, especially the faces. I can somewhat accept Megs but not the others.
Granted, the comedy of Cyberverse was cringe too (just as with most other TF cartoons), albeit not nearly as extreme as this. Still, I liked CV so it could have garbage comedy and still work, theoretically. It even has an annoying, forced in Bumblebee, like CV. But my guts tell me that there won't be anything good to make up for the jokes and the ugly designs. Cyberverse had better designs, sometimes bad but less annoying comedy and had a huge cast of characters that guaranteed that some of your favorites are in whereas the movie seems to stuck to the same tired top ten frickers I grew to dislike thanks to over-representation.
That aside the voices are kinda shit.
As far as I can tell the trailer of One is hyped by the same fans that obsess over Earthspark so I am not getting my hopes up that it will be good. There are no terrans and humans though so maybe it will be at least better. The designs are worse though, so there is that. I actually care about the look in VISUAL media.
I hated EarthSpark but like the trailer. Well, I dislike the trailer, but I think it's just a bad trailer and the actual movie will be good. The visuals, plot, and designs all look good to me.
>tfw you will never have a qt autistic black gf rant to you for an hour about transformer anatomy
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Wasn't the meta narrative of Sentinel that he was a blatant Trump expy, literally orange bot bad, that the writers put in to have a caricature all the readers would love to hate
But then he was so over the top he became too entertaining and readers loved him
Then writers threw a temper tantrum and killed him off way early
But that might be nonsense I made up
Not really. He was always a racist dick. He only came back to pimp his new toy, then was killed off for being useless just as quickly.
Uh oh, the election tourists aren't going to like this take...
moron
not unless you think anybody gave a shit about trump's politics in 2011, or in 2007 when Sentinel was originally killed off, and while yeah they brought him back and killed him off again in 2016, he was literally just Babby's First Dictator with a stupid plan, so if that reminds you of ornj mam then I guess enjoy sucking dick for nickels all your life
Anons, true opinion only.
Do transformers should have actual sexes, evem if that eventually leads to troonsformers? Or its better for them to just be robots who just decide what gender they are depending on the culture they visit?
How do you feel about this little twerp getting a greatly-expanded backstory and motives in the Japanese side of the franchise?
My personal head canon is call of the primitives is a made up story grimlock tells or is his dream. That's why it looks so different and the plot is so stupid
I'm honestly fine with it, since he's technically Unicron's creator. That's a huge claim to fame within the setting itself, even if Primacron himself is underwhelming. Elaborating on what kind of person would ever make something like Unicron is understandable.
My main objection is that it makes Unicron a known quantity and also incredibly mundane, but that's a different matter. I'm also surprised that none of the more recent continuities have ever plucked Tornedron from obscurity, given that he's essentially Unicron But Better.
Unicron really should not have been all that hard to explain. There are a few reasons for a really big robot.
>Ancient superweapon from some alien race way back when.
>Quintessons made another factory world like Cybertron except the entire world AI went rogue and chased them off.
>Quintessons built Unicron to be a counter to rogue Cybertron in case the transformers decide to attack their former masters.
>Multiple alien species built Unicron as a means of stopping Cybertron aggression if their millions of years long war ever spills out to the rest of the universe
>Group of Cybertronians that escaped the war decided Cybertron was a total lost cause and built a super weapon to destroy it
...Unicron WAS explained you fricking no fan homosexual.
>Ancient superweapon from some alien race way back when.
This is what he ends up being in IDW.
Transformers One looks and feels like an extended episode of Cyberverse or Earthspark.
BB?
Why did Transformers comics die?
They're still making them, anon.
No. Transformers reproduction is fricking simple.
>Primus creates spark.
>Spark goes to inhabit protoform.
>Protoform shapes into new Cybertronian.
In this case Skorponok did this because at this point traditional Cybertronian reproduction stopped and now there is a fixed number of bots. So him extracting sparks from dead bots, doing a full tabula rasa on them and then implanting them into organic bodies in order for them to grow a personality is justified. Along with extracting said spark from the organic body and then putting it into a robotic form.
It's more like a strange form of necromancy.
That and this point in the IDW Transformers never got a conclusion. Last time this was seen it was Grimlock "adopting it" and carring in his chest compartment.
>That and this point in the IDW Transformers never got a conclusion.
Presumably it contributes to the population resurgence brought about by the Luna One hotspot and bringing the Functionist Cybertron over into the main universe.
lot of Simon Furmans in the thread
Realistic saying, wouldn't pretenders / maximals/predacon transformers more suitable for cross species romance with human woman/men ?
Threse three are the group that are bio robotic, unlike regular transformer who are pure robotic ?
Iam sure a lot of women would love to romance with dinobot
Pretenders aren't inherently biorobotic. There are Transformers with fully mechanical pretender shells.
In my mind the progression from Transformers to Headmasters/Pretenders to technorganic forms represents a convergence with organics. They meet us, mirror us, and eventually become us, and through things like Headmaster bonding, the same thing happens to us until the boundaries start to blur.
Kind of like what happened in Megaman Zero/ZX
>tfw Mega Man/Transformers crossover never ever
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