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Was Megatronus an incel?
That would be Starscream
Not really, wouldint you get mad if someone tricked you into killing your lover?
Yes
Yes
yes and into incest since he loved his sister
How to stop schizo head version of shows that have not even come out yet?
What are you talking about?
Name 1 (one) Transformer
Just found this, looks cool.
SFII anime reference?
Maybe?
Chaser!
>Life imitates art
What the frick was his problem?
Hmmm. Let's see.
>His entire species has been in a civil war for millions of years with zero perspective of it ending
>His side is losing
>He is stuck on a planet profoundly different from home
>He has no means to GET home
>Even if he did, it would still be war
>He doesn't have much social skills and is not very popular
EVEN SO, Gears deliberately leans into his persona as a grouch to cheer everybody else up as they try to raise his spirits
Gears was one of my first Transformers and I still have him
Secret base
Decepticons have many bases of varying levels of secrecy. Even if the Autobots located and raided one, no issue.
And than Megatron said "Slag it" and made this.
It looks impressive even if it didn't pan out.
And it didn't even transform
Where did they get the Purple rocks?
Normal rocks, they just air brushed them purple
Who painted it tho?
Skywarp
Either Skywarp or Rumble, Megatron would never trust Starscream with it.
I love their main underwater base.
Secret monument
Would you trust him?
He likely will charge more than should, but products might work.
OY VEY HOW ANTISEMITICON
>OY
>THE AUTOGOYIM KNOW
>SHUT IT DOWN
With both IDW and Takara doing a "Last Transformers Story," rate my pitch
>THE TRANSFORMERS ARE ALL DEAD
>the war never ended, it just kept changing
>millions of years in the future there's an never-ending war between the Optimi (who all look like version of Optimus Prime) and Megatrons (who all look like versions of Megatron)
>it's essentially a Russian Civil War scenario with two armies massacring and pillaging civilians
>the last ancient veteran of the first Autobot/Decepticon war steals bits of Unicron and tries to reformat himself into Galvatron
>instead he becomes (a) Nemesis Prime
>murder hijinks, flashbacks, and meditations on the destructive nature of bot ensue
Could be cool, what's Takara's "Last Transformers Story"?
So far?
>unknown wasteland planet
>last point in the G1 timeline
>Blue BW2 Skywarp finds a dying Lio Convoy
>uses 13 primes magic to turn him into Dark Amber Lio Convoy
>fights a Necromancer Jawbreaker
It's very magic-y
Tie in webmanga to the Black Amber Leo Prime Masterpiece.
Here's the manga
>tf.takaratomy.co.jp/products/tf_mp/mp-48plus-web-comic
And here tfwiki's potentially shaky translation if you don't read nip
>tfwiki.net/wiki/Source:Dark_Amber_Leo_Prime_(First)_translation
Why is Skye Byte so lovable?
Bot knows how to haiku.
True.
He could have made it as an Autobot if he could just get over enjoying doing acts of evil.
It never made sense to me where the whole tehcno organic shit came from, in beast Machines it just felt so weird that suddenly Cybertron needed to be techno organic when it was fine and had golden ages with being pure machine, Am I missing something? It has been a while since I watched Beast Machines.
In beast machines they discovered that long time ago cybertron was organic.But I also didn't undestand why Optimus should trust Oracle and fight for organic life. I dislike that in beast machines Optimus behave more like religious fanatic rathen that a leader of the group. But suprisingly Cheetor started acted as a leader.
Anyway, looks like they needed to become techno organic because basically a supreme being asked them to do so.
Quintessons experimental lifeforms included organic materials
But they werent Cybertronians. Cyertronians in G1 were pure mechanical
Trans-Organics. Buried even father in the past of the planet.
Its a retcon, but the idea was that being technoorganic would be more versatile. The BW era was already more energy efficient, and the BM Maximals presumably more so since they could heal and keep going without CR chambers and able to eat organic material for energy. Plus there's the idea that the cybertron in BM isn't the original, but the second one after the original's destruction in Headmasters(though this is fan speculation, and has since been retconned as it being the same cybertron rebuilt)
If you look at late G1-BM, there's a growing trend of organic life influencing the Transformers. first imitating animal lifeforms. Then binding organic components(the ___masters) Then using organic shells.(Pretenders) Then downsizing to human size(micromasters.) Beast Wars takes Micromasters with Pretender shells build in at first; Then flips them inside out with Transmetal. Then TM2 blends the two sides, an BM does it more evenly.
Beast Machines followed the G1 cartoon directly (compared to Beast Wars, which was more vague about it) where Cybertron was a giant robot factory built by the Quintessons, and posited that it was once a normal, rocky planet.
The problem is that rest of the franchise pretty much rejected that origin, so BM's twist seems weird and confusing now.
>G1 starts by showing an energy crisis
>BM ends by showing a sustainable energy solution
When you look it from that perspective is quite poetic.
But at what cost?
And a little war here and there
I never got the point of his mid form
dude never did anything with it
His main jet body? I remember that in the begining of the series he used it more oftenly. His brainmster gimmick is actually never even used in the show.
Deathsaurus really doesn't get treated right for how much of a based character he is.
>Deathsaurus
>shown in the series as an uncaring overlord who starts destroying Earth while his minions are still on it
>Western media makes him an LE honorabu daimyo
>Star Saber
>shown as a more down-to-earth leader (he even flirts) than previous ones but full of righteous anger when evil appears
>Western media turns him into religious fanatic
Press F for Victory
I remember how one time in the show Deathsaurus escaped the fight with Starsaber because his minions asked for help so at least there was something to work with.
>Western media makes him an LE honorabu daimyo
He'd been the honorabu daimyoin Japan too, in the Victory manga. Which is apparently closer to his original toy bio.
Though I suspect that's just a coincidence, no way James Roberts even knew the manga existed.
in the series as an uncaring overlord who starts destroying Earth while his minions are still on it
to be fair, the Dinoforce' kinda had it coming with all their incompetence
tbf Deathsaurus did care for his troops up until this point. So it's plot related incompetence like in God Masterforce when the Decepticons forgot they left Clouder at the Autobot base despite the Overlord couple being excellent and even loving leaders to the human Decepticons.
I mean he had to be contrasted with Megatron, who has never given a real frick about his soldiers.
Roberts's need to make every religious transformer deluded or a sociopath was just Furman level autism.
more like Roberts kept making Autobot villains for whatever reason.
because they decided the decepticons were communists at some point. god.
And comunists aren’t “evil” either.
I think thats have to do with the Cold War thing with the deception's being at first a faction/ party that wanted equality and rights but lost its way with being filled with evil people.(still tho commies are still cringe)
What I mean is that in focusing on Megatron's origions as an oppressed laborer, they focused too much on the Decepticons as victims and not as a military junta that was ridiculously corrupt from almost the beginning.
Like a lot of comics they took a good idea of shading some nuance between the factions and hit it too hard, until the Autobots were totally unlikable and the Deceptions where somehow both almost comically psychotic and also Secret Correct.
>Optimus Prime you must have a nice day because the Primes were corrupt and we will shit on you during your funeral.
Absolute state of IDW1.
He could have just stayed as Orion Pax
IDW fell for the typical trap of "nuance = heroes are buttholes".
>Robert's StarSaber
The most infuriating part is that the other 2(ocs) had more development than SS. There's also the fact that Tyrest and Pharma had more interactions with the cast, while SS was just "Muh Primus".
>Pharma
God, I love him. Pharma was a lot of fun.
I feel like this is fresh content and I thank you
Lmao
Alt version
media makes him an LE honorabu daimyo
Based western media
Still need that Isekai King Grimlock.
Was the comic cancelled or something?
Comic was finished, this was something that spawned from another thread.
>trying to rewatch Beast Machines
>want to give it an honest second chance
>5 episodes in and already sick of the constant techno loop and the Maximals b***hing with each other
All that and you can't see shit because of how dark everything is? What a pile of shit.
It was the 90s going into the 2000s, everything was more grim dark.
Then Pokemon came and we entered that era for the next decade with Armada/Energon/Cybertron before that burned out
>the Maximals b***hing with each other
They wanted the viewer to actually question if Megatron was right to turn everyone into his mindless slaves, because that's "deep" or some shit.
Please remind me because I haven;t watched BM since it was airing on YTV, what was BM Megatron's end game? I
Turn everyone on Cybertron into his vehicon slaves. The series itself was his endgame, presumably he would have gone after other worlds later on.
That's another way BM shits on BW. It makes the previous series pointless because Megatron's back-up plan was so much better than the first.
It's also never really explained how he did it beyond 'he made a virus' and his hatred for organics is never really explained
I think he time traveled ahead of the rest of them during the jump back to Cybertron then made the virus in some garage somewhere using what he learned on Earth?
He blames his loss in the Beast Wars on organics.
Was that ever referenced in either show?
No, but it was in a story written by the original writer.
proof?
probably the transformers legends anthology
>defending the IDW1 ending
This guy is such an ass-kisser it hurts to read.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Vangelus/status/1552332692196319233
I get it, like or hate the overall ending the Shockwave twist was a cool moment if you're not super invested in the comics. For those of us who were just sort of occasionally reading them smd not super invested its a fun twist in one of many universes.
It's a cool moment...right in the moment, you hold that to scrutiny and from a storytelling standpoint it's dreadful and Barber loved doing this. I can imagine long readers being mega pissed.
Such is the end of when you have over a decade of stories compounding on each other.
Exactly
>you know how these stories barely make sense with one another?
>now they make even less sense!
Yeah. IDW1 became disjointed as soon as Furman wasn't leading it and AHM happened. Then Roberts's dreck was like something else entirely.
I'm still pissed IDW wasted an opportunity to make Onyx Prime, or indeed any of the primes, into an actual character all for the sake of more Shockwave wank.
And IDWgays will tell me the comic was great at giving personalities to characters that needed it.
Onyx Prime was just the "token beast ancestor" character. Thirteen only get fleshed out when they are alone.
>turn Blast Off gay
>double down with IDW2
Sad how the best incarnation of Bruticus and the Combaticons still comes from the FoC game.
Blast Off is pretty much a girl outside of pronouns.
Everyone is.
Blast Off's whole thing is loneliness hidden from a smug aloof facade at least based on the original bio, honestly pairing him and Cosmos the other most lonely space traveling vehicle made perfect sense. i like that ship way the frick more than Blast Off and Onslaught with all that mindraping. Besides you could always make Cosmos a girl like Cyberverse did if you ever adapted Cosmos X Blast Off.
>Blast off and his lonely shortstack GF
If any drawgay is in here please draw this
>Blast Off's whole thing is loneliness hidden from a smug aloof facade
He's just like me fr. I still don't get why the introduced the mindrape plotline. Couldn't they have just given him a normal gf instead of making another bot from the original series gay? I would have preferred to see the Combaticons go on an adventure and Blast Off see that he's a valued member of the team who does have close friends. But I guess that would be too simple and generic so they went with another romance plot.
I'm glad that they kept them evil and kind of maladjusted and fricked up. Wish it had been done in a different way then lol!rape though.
Thank you. I had to tolerate the guy above telling me "the Shockwave twist was a good thing".
It fricking wasn't and Barber is an idiot. exRID was fricking meandering and every time it did a twist it was baffling.
I'm not saying it was good, and if you were super invested I can see why you'd be disappointed, but Vangelus is a boomer like me who's mostly in it for the toys these days. I've become sort of numb to bad TF fiction so an entire universe being nuked for the sake of a twist isn't phasing me anymore. I mean it sucks for you guys but Shockwave being a magnificent bastard is amusing.
Fair, tho it's a good thing we get decent fiction that is succesful so we get better toys. There was a period of time when the toys were quite poor and people didn't really care about the fiction. It was around the Prime era and Age of Extinction.
The Dinobot Rangers were cool, even if they weren't actually in the movie much.
>promote movie with Dinosaurs
>the dinosaurs only show up when the movie is about to be over
I'm pretty sure there is a whole hierarchy of Hollywood people to blame for this. But GODDAMN.
> And IDWgays will tell me the comic was great at giving personalities to characters that needed it.
As a Beastgay I hate how many characters I wanted to see more of were just used for cannon fodder . Really sucks how between the gathering, IDW 1, and the ongoing almost none of the toy characters get any attention. Meanwhile you have random late G1 European only characters getting a spotlight because the writer owned them as a kid.
At least the IDW2 ongoing was getting to it, but it got cancelled.
>Get it? Maximals because Liege Maximo, I'm so fricking clever.
Go frick yourself, Barber.
So the Liege Centurio has Centurions?
by that logic.
>Meanwhile you have random late G1 European only characters getting a spotlight because the writer owned them as a kid.
Hardly, aside from Thunderclash late G1 stuff is treated as fodder too. IDW2 killing off G2 characters was practically a running gag. So beastgays aren't alone there.
Truth is IDW was only really good to a handful of a characters that actually needed attention and towards the end they seemed more interested in pushing their OCs than anything.
At least the G2 characters in IDW2 got to do something, IDW1 was kill on sight.
You can't say this in a world where Pyro is now a known name in the fandom. Or Thunderclash. Or Rotorstorm. Or Ironfist. IDW put characters like that over and got them new toys, both official and 3P. Yes there's still countless other characters from those eras that got screwed over, but non-show BW characters existed almost entirely to get screwed over.
>Pyro
>Rotorstorm
>Ironfist
How does that contradict my point? They all fricking died in their first story. They were fodder, Roche picked them precisely because they were fodder.
Last stand was still a great comic which kept them on people's minds, but all they're remembered for is dying.
They were given characterization before dying, which is more than what most beast fodder gets. I don't want these characters to be untouchable and perfect, I just want them given personalities and screen time. Which also has the benefit of getting them updated toys.
Did we ever get a reason why the beast cast got treated so dirty in the comics?
Well my real one guess is boomers. John Warden, the guy in charge of the brand from around 2013 up to about 2020 famously thought nobody liked Beast Wars and added Optimus Primal to a poll as a joke candidate, he was shocked to his core when Primal won by a noticeable margin. They had to make the Optimus Primal figure even though he really didn't fit the theme of the toyline, shit was hilarious.
>famously thought nobody liked Beast Wars
How? likes thats so stupid and yo had to be living under a rock so secure and tight to a point you think nobody likes something that blew up in the US and Japan.
You missed the thread we had yesterday. Every single "I had a 2 foot tall diecast Optimus Prime in 1984" boomer came out the woodwork
John Wardens is a G1 fan. He famously added Whirl/Roadbuster to Thrilling 30 because they were his favorite characters. And he remade Sky-Lynx TWICE for the same reason after Aaron Archer denounced the original toy/character.
Yes that’s nice though I’d argue that his Rodbuster feels a bit lacking.
I get why Warden is disliked but the archer era had so many weird decisions and claims while Warden basically changed the direction of 3rd party because they stopped having characters to fill in for.
Warden oversaw some duds but he was also in charge when a lot of cool shit was made. I'd go so far as to say that 2017 to 2021 was one of the best times to be into Transformers toys overall, though not the fiction.
Archer had a more momentous tenure for obvious reasons, but a lot of that kind of shit is beyond their control.
Archer had that golden era from Cybertron up until before Dark of the Moon. RotF and it’s two sequel lines had probably some of the best figures ever made.
Yeah I'd say 2006-2011 was a very strong period too. I was playing with the deluxe WFC Bumblebee the other day and it's still a kickass toy. We'll probably never get deluxes like that ever again.
All I'm saying is their tenures are hard to compare because the big picture state of Hasbro and Transformers specifically was very different. They didn't singlehandedly dictate the brand.
>I'm still pissed IDW wasted an opportunity to make Onyx Prime, or indeed any of the primes, into an actual character all for the sake of more Shockwave wank.
Probably because orignally it was suppose to tie into POTP when Warden and Hasbro had thought about making some of the 12 Primes (like Megatronus/Prima/Solus/Liege/Vector and maybe Nexus/Micronus/Onyx). That later got changed and considered too "obscure" when POTP was retooled into Combiner Wars 2.0.
That fricking sucks, I wanted to see a new Nexus Prime toy without clear plastic.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, PETER!
Do we know who is getting the rights to the comics after IDW?
How do I get into Transformers? I watched 2 seasons of the original cartoon and Prime. Could I get into IDW immediately or do I need to read prior material?
You can just dive into IDW
Whatever you do, don't read IDW.
But I want to see the other cool bots in the universe that everyone has been posting about. I heard that it's bad with relationships but is the plot also bad?
Okay, thanks
IDW1 lasted a long time and didn't end the same kind of comic it finished as. Even Roberts's output ended very differently than it began. It's a single continuity but it's not particularly cohesive. Furman's original run feels like a completely different thing.
If I do get into IDW then could I ignore IDW2? I'm guessing it's a meh sequel
IDW2 is a brand new continuity with no connections.
Thanks for the clarification bros, I'm gonna look online for the comic
It's not a sequel; IDW2 is a different continuity. I actually liked IDW2 a lot more than the latter parts of IDW1, but it was awkwardly curtailed because IDW lost the license. It was all the more damaging in this case because IDW2 consisted of a lot of build-up and it couldn't get the kind of payoff that build-up needed.
At least they had the good sense to make it a stopgap kind of ending instead of rushing everything into a Unicron tier clusterfrick.
Roche was the only author willing to write something that meshed with Furman’style. Roberts devolved into Doctor Who fanfiction and Barber was very much out of his depth. Scott might have done a good job following after Furman come to think of it.
>I heard that it's bad with relationships but is the plot also bad?
I feel like it's easier to get through in regards to character relationships now that you aren't waiting a month between issues. Whether or not individual plots are good or bad is personal preference but there is shit that I don't particularly care for like Dark Cybertron.