You guys enjoying the reboot/crossover comics? I'm really liking the world they're establishing with both. Do you think any of the Transformers character deaths will stick? JOES/COBRA characters you're anticipating? Thoughts on Void Rivals?
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Couple issues behind on everything but enjoying it for the most part. Wonder if the GI Joe/Transformers crossover movie will take any inspiration from it but probs not
Probably not, and at this point I dont care what movies do anymore.
Which by the way, how the frick is GI JOE struggling to make a decent movie? All the material is there.
>Which by the way, how the frick is GI JOE struggling to make a decent movie? All the material is there.
They're not spending tentpole blockbuster money on making GI Joe movies, so they're not making tentpole blockbuster money from them either. The first one was an adequately-performing lower-budget action movie, the second one made more money on a lower budget, but since then GI Joe movies have been insanely mismanaged. They delayed making a third movie for years because they wanted to use it as a launchpad for a Hasbro Cinematic Universe instead of just doing GI Joe 3. By the time they finally dropped that plan it was more than six years since Retaliation, so they just rebooted, and released the Snake Eyes movie during Covid lockdowns, sending it out to die. Then Transformers Rise of the Beasts ended on a GI Joe teaser that contained zero recognizable elements or characters of GI Joe, just the name being dropped. They just have no idea what they're doing.
I found the second movie better but incredibly frustrating. You finally get a decent Cobra Commander, yet axe Baroness and Destro? Zartan is just in disguise the whole time? Frick that
"Destro, you're out of the band" was a cool line, but writing him out like that was one of the sequel's mistakes. Zartan staying in his disguise was at least for plot reasons, but they should've had him revert to his true form for the fight at the end. But after the first movie, I'm not sure how they'd even bring back the Baroness and make her part of Cobra.
They should have just rebooted and moved on. For some reason the films can't seem to find the right balance of absurd and edgy. CGI wasn't great either
Baroness was fricked over by the first movie making her Duke's brainwashed ex. I agree about Destro though.
Guy playing Zartan was great, though.
Which guy?
The president. Phenomenal performance.
>that contained zero recognizable elements or characters of GI Joe,
It showed the origin of the Delta-6 Accelerator Suit. The guy even yelled "Yo [whatever character]" when he put it on.
It's so long since I've seen Rise of Cobra I didn't even notice the resemblance, and let's keep in mind that those things were very controversial and unpopular with the GI Joe fanbase, not really something that would be anyone's "first thing you think of when you think of GI Joe", and not something they'd be able to make more of without a lot of dead Transformers.
But I was talking about the secret base scene at the end of the movie. That scene introduces GI Joe into the Transformers movie universe, but does it without showing us any recognizable GI Joe characters or vehicles that would get people hyped, it's just a name drop and a logo.
Seems like a hassle since Rise of the Beasts is set in the 90s. Also might be doing another reboot because of Snake Eye's poor sales.
I get what you are saying, but also, it's the film universe's logo in the movie. So people who have seen the films, and the other fan of them who isn't me, recognized the exo-suit and the "yo Scourge" line.
Rise of the Beasts was a weird movie. Also the only recognizable JOEs are Scarlet, Snake Eyes, and Shipwreck
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>ow the frick is GI JOE struggling to make a decent movie?
Because exces are moronic and it's even worse now that they will try to cater to gen z sensibilities
I want to see something like Slipstream, Stalker, and Roadblock among the Decepticons in the movie so the GI Joe members do a double take hearing their names.
These comics provide a good template for a shared universe but given the track record of the producers of these movies it will be a half-assed attempt to combine the two properties.
The tacked on ending of Rise of the Beasts was laughably bad, probably the lamest way you could set it up and makes sense that they added it just weeks before release.
They already attempted a Joes reboot with Snake Eyes and it fell flat, so not sure what they think will happen here.
>They already attempted a Joes reboot with Snake Eyes and it fell flat
They released it while lockdowns were still happening, it never had a chance.
It was a weird movie though, seemed like they were trying to do something more grounded and realistic but then there's giant snakes and a magic crystal.
True. But yeah has a bit of an identity crisis.
I do wonder if it was some existing ninja movie script that got GI Joe characters grafted onto it, that would explain a lot.
>Snake Eyes is known for being mute, so an origin movie about him has to explain why he's mute
....only they never actually get to that point in the origin story.
It's a shame, the comic origin is a good story that could have made a good movie.
Really? Never watched Snake Eyes, seems like a waste not to do it.
It sucks dude. The Entire movie is Snake Eyes betraying the people who took him in and getting rewarded for it while Storm Shadow is basically excommunicated from the Arashikage because of one mistake that wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for Snake Eyes betraying everyone in the first place
>wonder if it was some existing ninja movie script that got GI Joe characters grafted onto it
Very possible Id say. Most of the GI Joe elements (namely the inclusion of Scarlet and Baroness) could easily be removed. The rest of the movie is not really accurate to Snake Eye's story/origin so it really could be its on thing.
Yup. At the end, like very last shot, he gets his costume but is still not mute. And even tho it was billed as 'GI Joe Origins' the Joes/Cobra stuff factor very little into the plot
>Bumblebee talks normally in the original cartoon, and Snake Eyes is a mute
>Movie Bumblebee relies on radio to communicate and Snake Eyes talks normally
What did Paramount mean by this?
Movie Bumblebee was probably just a cute gimmick that Hasbro kept going back to because it seemed to work.
With Snake Eyes, I assume it went something like 'Snake Eyes is known for being mute, so an origin movie about him has to explain why he's mute'.
>Do you think any of the Transformers character deaths will stick?
It's really not looking good for Reflector, but most of the others could probably be brought back if and when they want to. While he's technically still alive, Skywarp's situation is looking even worse than some of the dead characters.
>JOES/COBRA characters you're anticipating?
I'd like to see things last long enough to get to Serpentor, but it's way too early. Original, classic Serpentor, not the IDW version.
For characters who have a chance of showing up sooner, Shipwreck and Firefly.
>Thoughts on Void Rivals?
I've fallen behind on it, how's it been?
>It's really not looking good for Reflector, but most of the others could probably be brought back if and when they want to. While he's technically still alive, Skywarp's situation is looking even worse than some of the dead characters.
Given the nature of Cybertronian biology and the tech/mystical stuff at their disposal, I'm not counting any of the deaths being permanent. Energon is a hell of a power source that can bring back bots from extreme circumstances, and even if their spark is extinguished, for all we know theyll bring them all back with Vector Sigma
>Given the nature of Cybertronian biology and the tech/mystical stuff at their disposal, I'm not counting any of the deaths being permanent.
It looked like they were teasing Jetfire coming back already, and Bumblebee is probably just a matter of time, even if it takes a later change of writer before it happens, though they may rebuild him as Goldbug. The most recent issue killed off a lot of popular Autobots as soon as they were introduced, so hopefully we are getting them back eventually.
Reflector might be a different case just because of how little is left of him, while the last issue made a point of telling us only part of Skywarp's brain is left, and it's broken. He really would need a magic plot device to bring him back.
>He really would need a magic plot device to bring him back.
Well like I said, Vector Sigma. Energon is the lifeblood of Primus, and the spark itself is mystical. Would really sell the endless stalemate war if they've established a means to keep bringing back bots.
>a lot of popular Autobots
Is Huffer popular?
Didn’t Kup and Ultra Magnus bite it?
I'm not sure if Magnus is dead or just really injured.
Kup is the only really popular one who bit it.
From memory: Bumblebee, Kup, Warpath, Jetfire, Beachcomber, Huffer and Reflector got killed. We don't actually know if Ultra Magnus can be repaired.
Blaster was shown getting shot in a flashback too.
I thought his name was Seaspray?
Seaspray's a different guy.
In terms of onscreen confirmed kills there's those guys and Starscream as of issue 7, Frenzy iirc got shot but is possibly repairable.
>Kup, Warpath, Jetfire, Beachcomber, Huffer and Reflector got killed. We don't actually know if Ultra Magnus can be repaired.
Oh man, Kreonanon won't be happy about this if he's still here.
Brawn's pretty much confirmed dead, Megatron vaporises his torso point blank.
>and Bumblebee is probably just a matter of time, even if it takes a later change of writer before it happens, though they may rebuild him as Goldbug.
Goldbug might happen, since they killed him mostly because of Bumblebee's overexposure.
Reflector is honestly more fricked by the fact that nobody really gives a shit about him?
With Reflector the issue is really what a wasted opportunity this was. He's one of the few really early G1 characters who's still largely a blank slate, in the cartoon his powers and his having three bodies was all vague and undefined. This could have been his chance to shine but instead he got killed immediately. As fun as the comic is, and as much of a "safe" kill as he is because he doesn't have many fans, this just seems like a waste.
We're told Ultra Magnus is dead, and we're led to believe the dead body we saw was him. I just hope they don't copy IDW1 and have someone else impersonating him again.
The writer isn't interested in exploring blank slates. Few writers are in favor of working with ones they like. If one seems to happen, it likely is a result of either the character they wanted to use originally being unavailable or having a concept first and sticking an identity to it.
I dunno, aren't several popular IDW characters just randos who never did anything of note before IDW?
The two standout examples are Swerve (originally planned to be Bluestreak, and adapted his personality to being Bluestreak-like) and Tailgate (Nothing is informed from Tailgate's original characterization. Works from being an ancient guy who missed his original job and works as an audience surrogate). You could probably claim Whirl as an example of rando being intentional at least.
New Baroness is hot
Enjoying more than I expected, the comic book store guys said I'd like and I indeed do
They cooked so hard with that redesign
>Do you think any of the Transformers character deaths will stick?
I hope not. Well, Reflector can stay dead. The rest is a waste, though.
>Well, Reflector can stay dead.
I've never felt the need to do this before, but shut up, Boco.
>Do you think any of the Transformers character deaths will stick?
I don't really think so. It'll probably stick for longer than usual, but there's so many ways to change/bring back
Like Bumblebee is damaged in a way that could lead to him looking like his G1 toy or the Bayverse Bee, and maybe even talking like the latter
>Bayverse Bee, and maybe even talking like the latter
Can we just take a minute and say "FRICK YOU" to Michael Bay for forever branding Bumblebee a mute?
But... he didn't.
When the Bay movies came out and got traction among larger audiences, the "Bee is a mute" thing caught on in cartoons, games, etc.
Except all the times it didn't.
Ask any casual on the street to describe Bumblebee, what are they going to say? Also examples
>Bumblebee movie (Not done by Bay)
>Fall of Cybertron game
>Transformers Prime
The only times Bumblebee was mute outside of the movies was in Prime, seasons 1-3 of Rescue Bots, and season 1 of Cyberverse. And for that season of Cyberverse, he was only mute in the real world, he talked normally while mind linked with Windblade.
It's my first time really reading any comics of either and I'm having a blast.
While TF has already blown up a few characters that I like, but I'm mostly just happy that I don't actively dislike any of the main cast. The Autobots are all good, the Decepticons are all evil, but there's still enough variation in their personalities without having to turn any of them into something insufferable.
As far as Joes go, I mostly liked the funnier ones form the 80's cartoon, so I'm not sure how I'll feel if/when guys like Shipwreck or Quick Kick make it into the book. I may be alone on this one, but I'd like to see the rivalry between Storm Shadow and Spirit from the old show rather than the usual thing with Snake Eyes.
I'm still liking Void Rivals, but it really needs to pick up the pace ASAP. I don't know if it's because they need the other comics to catch up before it can go farther plot-wise, but it needs to do something or it may end up being one of those books that I only occasionally skim online just to see if anything important to the other books happened.
I'm trying to figure out how Void Rivals is supposed to tie-in more outside of one or two alien references from G1 TF. Really digging Cobra Commander's book. Do you think the last issue's betrayal will force CC to go completely rogue?
He's got a ways to go before he can really do anything about it, but the character in the book doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who would just throw up his hands after what Bat Boy told him. He may still tell others and himself that he's still loyal and devoted to his original cause, but it would just be classic bad guy self-gaslighting.
Next issue of VR is advertising Springer so presumably we're getting back on the train there
See I took is as the Commander lying to save face with Nemesis and not get killed, since Issue 1 pretty clearly established his general contempt for Golobulus.
Do we think Nemesis Enforcer is dead? Seeing him talking has been weird.
Is the Dreadnoks' captive scientist going to be Mindbender?
I think Nemesis will survive and report back empty handed. Golobulus will try to use Megatron to beat Cobra Commander to the arms race, but unfortunately release him and doom Cobra-La. Upon hearing Cobra-La's destruction, Cobra Commander will then conquer the planet and hope to use science to bring back the snake people he likes
I think destroying Cobra-La outright and killing them all would be a mistake, if we're going to have things like this in the comics let's spend some more time exploring it and doing more with those characters.
I think it would give pathos for Cobra Commander and a goal beyond world domination. Breeding a race of snake people to rule above and below. What we're exploring now is the start of COBRA and how MARS gets roped into the organization
>I think it would give pathos for Cobra Commander and a goal beyond world domination.
You can have something similar if he's exiled and just can't come home unless he conquers Earth for them or manages to overthrow Golobulus. Play it right and like in the movie, you can have Cobra-La covertly meddling in Cobra's affairs.
I just don't see Cobra Commander bowing to Golobulus anymore
Nemesis is probably still alive, since we didn't see his body after all. I think
is onto something in that he'll lead to Megatron getting free but I don't think Cobra-La will be outright destroyed (at least not this early).
And the scientist is too drastic a change from Mindbender's old look compared to how close everyone else's looks have stayed so he's probably just some guy.
>I may be alone on this one, but I'd like to see the rivalry between Storm Shadow and Spirit from the old show rather than the usual thing with Snake Eyes.
We know Snake Eyes and Storm Shadow are on their way, it sounds like they're probably getting introduced in the Scarlett mini, but I think a new GI Joe continuity needs to walk the line between keeping them recognizable as the characters people know, while also doing something new and interesting with them so it's not just a retread of the things Hama's already done with them in his book. Working in Storm Shadow's Sunbow cartoon feuds with Spirit and Quick Kick could be a start, at least.
>already read issue 8 of Transformers and the FCBD book
You guys aren't ready for where this ride is going.
Either storytime them, or stop jerking yourself off that you read it. You sound pathetic.
Post and mark spoilers. I'll read what you have to say, and the validity is up to opinion
Personal opinion, but I think Cobra Commander will realize that with Gobulus in power he can never return home. So the answer is to not only beat him to the arms race, but to return home victorious after conquering the surface world. Or maybe Megatron wipes out Cobra-La upon escape, and Commander decides to make a new race of snake people via science after conquering the planet
Let's just say that Jetfire's suffering is only beginning. As for your theory, Megatron gets FRICKED UP in his escape. He gets his other arm back, but trades his good eye for it. Also a good character moment showing his sense of honor.
On the Joe side, Baroness is part of the team.
>He gets his other arm back, but trades his good eye for it. Also a good character moment showing his sense of honor.
How the hell does that work considering Prime has it, and they have yet to meet. That wouldn't happen in FCBD issue
> Baroness is part of the team.
You got that from the last issue of Duke, and we know its temporary
You're not really good at lying
Wasn't he missing both arms back in Cobra Commander 1? When I said "other" I was talking about the one without the gun. I guess Cobra-la removed it sometime between.
>You got that from the last issue of Duke, and we know its temporary
She's working with him now but will leave before Duke starts forming the Joes. When he does he tracks her down to recruit her. Also the boss guy Duke works for whose name I forget is secretly forming a second team that seems a bit more black-ops.
Storytime it or you're a shitter.
Everytime someone says this it's a letdown. Big if actual twist or unexpected bot appearance.
Void Rivals is boring as frick and I hope it gets canned. Everything else is good.
I feel like the reason Void Rivals has been so dull is because this is Kirkman's first time playing in a shared universe sandbox again since Marvel and his writing style having become so decompressed while having to compete with DWJ and Williamson who both have a lot more experience in writing in shared universes and because they're writing GI Joe and Transformers while he's doing a weird OC comic that is mostly there be a framework for the universe
>Kirkman's first time playing in a shared universe sandbox again
>what is invincible
The Transformers book is probably my favorite Transformers comic of them all so far. A lot of it is familiar, but it's been near-perfectly handled. I'm not a huge fan of G.I. Joe so I've never really cared for the crossover stuff.
>Do you think any of the Transformers character deaths will stick?
I hope most of them do. I expect Bumblebee to come back and it would perhaps be a shame for Ultra Magnus to be dead, but otherwise it's fine for characters to die. Transformers has a lot of characters.
The universe is so good it got me reading GI Joe books, a franchise that I had zero interest in ever getting into.
COBRA was always cool, and I don’t care if it is a HYDRA knockoff. You got Cobra Commander, Destro, Baroness, and a dozen other lackeys part of a b***hing criminal empire
Yeah I'm actually enjoying the Cobra series a lot more than Duke right now. Even tho I hear that the whole "hollowed earth snakepeople" thing seems to make Joe fans seethe.
Unlike most series, GI Joe's comics were the more popular arm of the mixed media.
Cobra-La just has a hard time working in series that try to make G.I.Joe more of a serious millitary thing.
It works well enough in the bonkers world of Sunbow G.I.Joe.
They’re acknowledging the snake people but I’m glad Commander is an outcast building his empire from nothing. COBRA itself thematically is a perverse twist on the American dream
>I don’t care if it is a HYDRA knockoff
HYDRA isn't all that original either.
Cobra and Hydra don't really have much in common beyond being evil organizations that want to rule the world. Cobra's group of high command characters and their internal rivalries is a big distinct difference from Hydra usually having just one leader. And neither of them are all-caps, Cobra and Hydra are not acronyms.
The cartoon was seen by a much wider audience, but the hardcore fanbase that's kept GI Joe on life support through the years has indeed been predominantly fans of the original comic.
is right that Cobra-La isn't really that weird by the standards of the Sunbow cartoon, but it wouldn't have fit into the comic at all.
>COBRA itself thematically is a perverse twist on the American dream
That's specifically what Larry Hama was going for in the comics, but it's not really universal across all iterations of GI Joe. A lot of the time they have no real defined ideology at all beyond wanting to rule the world, and intentionally so by the writers, so nobody can accuse them of representing any IRL individuals or groups.
No storytimes?
What the frick are you on about? Every single issue has had a story time.
>TRANSFORMERS #10
(W) Daniel Warren Johnson (A) Jorge Corona, Mike Spicer (CA) Daniel Warren Johnson, Mike Spicer
**Shockwave’s plan revealed! **
Can the Autobots recover from their latest loss in time to save everyone?
>VOID RIVALS #11
(W) Robert Kirkman (A) Lorenzo De Felici, Patricio Delpeche (CA) Lorenzo De Felici
**War in the wasteland. **
Zertonian forces have caught up to Darak and Solila, but thankfully, they have a little Cybertronian help!
Springer to the rescue!
>DESTRO #2 (OF 5)
(W) Dan Watters (A) Andrei Bressan, Adriano Lucas (CA) Andrei Bressan
The world is changing—and Destro means to come out on top! But with Cobra Commander breathing down his neck and mercenaries Xamot and Tomax seeking to dethrone him as the world’s premier weapons manufacturer, he’ll have to survive the future in order to build it.
>DESTRO
When's the primary GI Joe book going to happen? The miniseries are okay, but part of what worked for the classic Hama book was giving Joe drama and Cobra drama equal space in each issue.
I think after Destro's and Scarlett's minis are done.
Does ANYONE care about Void? It's so boring and hackneyed.
It is the one I look forward to the most each month.
Why? So far the comic has been so by the numbers you could sell it as a dollar store paint craft.
It's a cool 70s throwback with characters I like.
Joe is a bit generic so far but a decent action comic, could get even cooler (or boring) in the future, too early to tell (barely know anything about GI Joe).
Void Rivals has flat characters and suffers from the forced in TF subplots, but I like the setting and I am intrigued by the political conspiracies since I dig that shit.
Cobra feels moronic to me and I cannot take it seriously so I ignore it for now.
TF is the best series so far. Great action and one of the best Optimuses. I have yet to see decent dynamics between any of the characters and robot side characters are basically cardboard cut-outs so far. Can't judge the lore yet.
>Do you think any of the Transformers character deaths will stick?
Surely and sadly the tertiary deaths like Reflector and Warpath. Hope that Bee's death will have consequences at least (like Bee only returning as altered self or Goldbug) and hope that Magnus isn't dead, that would be huge blunder so early on.
I am enjoying it
so far all the series are good
I wonder how Void Rivals ties into the rest of the series
I'll probably keep on buying the series until it just falls apart under its own weight.
I have no connection to these franchises. I never watched the cartoons or had the toys or saw the movies, but I got the Void Rivals trade and I enjoyed it, so I'm caught up on that series, and I'm going to get caught up on the rest because I'm really interested in what they're doing here.
You ever think about how if not for the 2007 movie every Bumblebee appearance from Animated onwards might have used Hot Shot instead? Or that Red Alert would be the default Autobot medic instead of Ratchet?
Not really. Animated used Bumblebee and Ratchet because DJ Wyatt wanted to use those instead of Hot Shot and Red Alert for the "kid" and "medic" roles. Just made it easier so they wouldn't end up being called Autobot Bumblebee or Autobot Ratchet on the boxes.
>Animated used Bumblebee and Ratchet because DJ Wyatt wanted to use those instead of Hot Shot and Red Alert for the "kid" and "medic" roles.
Wyatt did that because Hasbro asked them to use them, the original plan was Hot Shot. But Wyatt preferred Bumblebee and Ratchet anyway so he didn't mind.
2007 in general brought back the idea of the core G1 cast for new series. The UT/Aaron Archer era wasn't really set on keeping the G1 names on similar archetypes. We got lots of Prowls and Ironhides
they had also just about given up on "Jazz" and "Ratchet" as names/characters because they were harder to trademark. The movie using them sort of forced them to
At least Prowl kept being used as the default 'Police Vehicle Autobot'.
>Exists in Animated as a minor character
>Shows up in the toyline of Prime and to a much lesser extent Cyberverse, not the show
>Only as a drawn image in Earthspark
Ironhide never recovered from the live-action one being killed off.
Outside of Prime (where he was swapped out for Bulkhead due to DotM), I think Ironhide just got hurt by the fact that he and Ratchet share body designs and every writer just seems to like Ratchet more.
Love what i'm reading so far. Just worried that all the momentum building up in the books is going to be lost once the inevitable big cross-over event happens. Curious what the plot for one would be though
As a reminder Scarlet and Destro are getting books too.
You know what drives me nuts? Why aren't Snake Eyes and Storm Shadow's names inversed? You would think the guy with "snake" in his name would belong to COBRA
Going by the real life origins of how 80s Joe came about, it's possible Snake Eyes had his name before Cobra was developed as a villain faction, it was in a Hasbro/Marvel meeting for the comic that the idea of even having a villain faction first came up.
Snake Eyes' first figure was a commando, with no mention of being a ninja, Storm Shadow wasn't inherently linked to him at all. Then the comic introduced the idea of Snake Eyes being a ninja who was in the same clan, and his second figure incorporated him being a ninja.