Was it fair for the movie to go as hard shitting on the 80's turtle as they did?
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Was it fair for the movie to go as hard shitting on the 80's turtle as they did?
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Nah. I love 03 and even I agree they were too harsh on the 87 turtles.
The 2012 crossover was even worse since they made the ‘12 turtles have to teach the ‘87 ones how to use their weapons
I feel like the "hate" Turtles Forever had for the 80s was way overblown. Sure, they're goofy and mostly OOC, but the movie also makes a point that even if the 80s Turtles are seen as goofy by the 03 Turtles, they still need to be shown respect for the legacy they've left. Splinter outright says as such, and the Prime universe ended up liking them over the 03 Tutles.
It felt more like a critique against 03 fans that had an issue with the 80s cartoon, rather than vice-versa.
Also what said is correct, the 2012 crossover was awful.
Did you forget the part where the 87 turtles got scared and ran away?
These were two crossovers with the 2012 turtles, tho.
The first one was cool, the 80's turtles were in character and blending well with the 2012 team. Despite the problems and the 2012 trying to tutor the 80's one, it wasn't that bad.
Probably because the second crossover was moreabout Beebop and Rocksteady.
>Was it fair for the movie to go as hard shitting on the 80's turtle as they did?
Yes. The 80s turtles show get REALLY dumb at times. And in the end what saved the day was the 87 turtles' sheer dumbassery (exploding throwing stars and Bebop & Rocksteady), so it balanced out.
I just wish they also featured 80s Casey Jones, but then they would be straight up shitting on them instead of parodying them.
>they made the ‘12 turtles have to teach the ‘87 ones how to use their weapons
I might be wrong but I recall reading something about the 87 turtles not even using their weapons in the last few seasons so as to make the show less violent. I think it was Mikey who got a grappling hook or something like that instead of his nunchucks.
>>The 80s turtles show get REALLY dumb at times.
Crooked Ninja Turtle Gang.
>I think it was Mikey who got a grappling hook or something like that instead of his nunchucks.
I thought that was just a UK thing.
They didn't make the entire cartoon have entirely different episodes for a different region, so I doubt.
What the UK definitely changed was making them Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles, so as to cut down the whole ninja aspect.
Also there was a rash of toilets getting clogged by dead turtles because everyone wanted to buy turtle pets but kids never took care of them.
> I think it was Mikey who got a grappling hook or something like that instead of his nunchucks.
That is correct. The others still use their weapons, but not for actually hitting flesh and blood bad guys, I think.
The Foot Soldiers were robots weren't they?
Yeah, from the first episode.
Yeah
Yeah, but as the series went on it feels like the Foot Soldiers weren't used as much as Bebop and Rocksteady, so most of the time the Turtles just used their weapons to cut ropes or hit the environment.
I don't recall them appearing much after the first couple episodes. It was almost always shredder Bebop and Rocksteady doing everything.
I recall a lot of early episodes where Krang refused to send Shredder any Foot Soldiers because he hadn't earned them, leaving him with just Baxter and later the hench-mutants to boss around.
The Rock Soldiers appeared nearly as much, and they barely ever showed up.
The bigger crime was how they intentionally portrayed the 87 Turtles as being way more goofy than they actually are. The 87 Turtles embodied many different tones, from reasonably serious to mostly comical, but they were pretty much never on the level that the crossover depicted them as.
>I recall reading something about the 87 turtles not even using their weapons in the last few seasons so as to make the show less violent.
This. It was in reference to that. The turtles didn't even use their weapons all that much after the first season. Parents complained it was making their kids hit eachother with sticks or some crap.
>there was a rash of toilets getting clogged by dead turtles because everyone wanted to buy turtle pets but kids never took care of them.
This always baffles me and I'm curious how often it actually happened. Why would your first thought be to flush it down the toilet instead of just taking it to a pond or a river and releasing it? Humans are so fricking stupid and lazy it's astounding.
>This always baffles me and I'm curious how often it actually happened. Why would your first thought be to flush it down the toilet instead of just taking it to a pond or a river and releasing it? Humans are so fricking stupid and lazy it's astounding.
Or just sell it to a more responsible owner.
It's a turtle. A pet store is not gonna care that much.
I meant sell it to someone wanting to keep it as a pet.
>Why would your first thought be to flush it down the toilet instead of just taking it to a pond or a river and releasing it?
Because people flush all sorts of things down the toilet, such as tampons.
>Flush turtle down toilet
>It comes in contact with the mutagen
>Last thing it touched was the blood on mother's tampoin
>tfw turtle finds its way back home with a striking resemblance to mother
>tfw it was a boy
>THE GOVERNMENT IS PUTTING CHEMICALS IN THE WATER THAT ARE TURNING THE TURTLES GAY
>Why would your first thought be to flush it down the toilet instead of just taking it to a pond or a river and releasing it? Humans are so fricking stupid and lazy it's astounding.
Because in the cartoon they live in the sewers, duh.
The 87' Turtles pretty much immediately defaulted to flipping their charging villains over or slicing bits of the environment off to crush their opponents under piles of taffy or whatever moronic shit was going on that week.
They were characters with weapons made for a kids show in an era where violence was usually not allowed and they could not actually hurt anybody for FCC regulations. They HAD to defeat all villains with taffy or banana peels.
The real problem is attempting to make a show about ninjas for kids, on network tv in 1987. There is too damn much going against it.
WTF I didn't even know there was one.
Yeah, the 80s TMNT show up in 2012 five times.
First as a cameo at the end of an episode where they fight a giant worm.
Second as a cameo in another episode where it's implied that they got murdered by Tiger Claw.
Third as another cameo when looking through a portal to another dimension Donnie lusts over 80s April.
Fourth in the crossover special, where 80s Kraang is revealed to be so much of a dumbass that he got exiled by the rest of the Kraangs to a goofy dumb world, the 80s cartoon, to punish him for being a dumbass.
And fitch when 80s Shredder and Kraang go to the 2012 universe and recruits Bebop and Rocksteady. They were amazed at how much better the 2012 Bebop and Rocksteady were compared to the 80s versions.
No. I haven't seen it in a while but I remember all the 80s turtles were dumbasses.
They were basically treated cartoon characters tossed into the "real" world, I think it worked and it was justified by the 80's toon turtle tech and Mirage comics all having their strengths over the 03 TMNT universe
It was, that boomer show was fricking lame
It was actually pretty good until I wanna say season 3 or so.
Do you know how many fricking seasons that show had?
10. More than enough to jump the shark.
Season 3, being longer than 1 and 2 has many stinkers but also has some of my favorite episodes of the entire series. Casey Jones, Lotus and Usagi episodes come to mind.
Yes
Although they sorta made up for it when the comic turtles treated the 03 turtles even worse.
>80s cartoon is LAME even though it's more popular and memorable than we will ever be
What the shell?
The 80s TMNT were a product of its time,. It was also pretty much Teen Titans Go before Teen Titans Go.
And like Teen Titans Go the only people who take it seriously are those who watched it as a kid.
Didn't Rocksteady and Bebop start on the 80s cartoon?
How was/were the bay movies?
I never watched a live action TMNT movie apart from the first 3 (and the third was a travesty, even to kid me)
Hamato Yoshi doesn't exist
I have no why they bothered to make that Eric guy and Shredder separate characters, not like any kind of accuracy mattered to the first movie.
I mean, Karai is still a generic henchgirl who's barely anything like any of the other versions of Karai so why not?
It's clear they were supposed to be the same person at one point and it's very jarring how Eric just loses any plot relevance and the movie pretends Shredder is well set-up.
They got spooked by fans getting rightfully angry over their white guy in mech suit Shredder and hastily reshot to add a Japanese guy. Whether leaks or common sense, fans sniffed them out
Then they didn't even fix the main issue this causes, no Oroku Saki because no Hamato Yoshi and thus no reason for these sewer mutants to become ninjas, Splinter learns ninja shit from a fricking book he randomly finds
The movie really fricked up to the point that Shredder felt like just a giant armored mook and not a proper main villain. Hamato Yoshi not existing is a big part of it.
Personally, just to make that STUPID origin fun, I would have had Splinter find that same issue of Black Belt that inspired Barry in Sidekicks.
They were okay. Action’s pretty alright but they function more like mini Hulks half the time than ninjas
First one is kind of 90s edgy.
Second one cannot make up it's damn mind if it wants to be a wacky goofy comedy, or over the top bad-ass action adventure. It keeps bouncing back and forth badly.
How popular were the Ninja Turtles as a brand back when the 03 show was airing?
The first five seasons were acclaimed both critically and by fans and the franchise was as bg as it always was.
Until seasons 6 and 7 happened and almost killed the franchise until Nickelodeon brought the franchise back to new heights of popularity.
The 80s cartoon established their entire backstory. Also color coded masks and different personalities.
>The 80s cartoon established their entire backstory.
TMNT existed and had a backstory already before the 80s cartoon. The cartoon just created *a* backstory, and every subsequent new show just makes their backstory more and more of an amalgam of the existing stories.
For example sometimes Splinter is Hamato Yoshi's pet who tried copying his moves, sometimes he is Hamato Yoshi himself, sometimes he is dead from the beginning of the story, in the current comic he is the REINCARNATION of Hamato Yoshi and the Turtles are his REINCARNATED SONS.
That was hilarious. Especially with how much Waltz constantly tweets about redemption and etc.
And the solution to Krang is literally just “shoot him in the fricking face”, something anyone could have done this entire series. Why didn’t anyone think of that before!
Every time IDW does one of these, "main characters are drifting apart" stories that they've done like 20 times over by now, they always reunite only a few issues later that it makes the whole thing pointless. I swear, how many times have we seen Alopex go off on her own by now? Or Raphael? Or Casey Jones? Or the Turtles just drift from each other and Splinter?
I feel like IDW has repeated this story 20 times already.
No matter who is in charge, the IDW run is just obsessed with the idea that this team of closely knit brothers who would die for each other don't really get along and want to go their separate ways and can never really agree on what they're supposed to do. And then the story hurries ahead anyways, because the latest split up wasn't a natural outcome of the character's personalities and decisions, it was all just a convenient excuse to put them in certain places so the plot could contrive itself forwards.
They have some cool idea that are quickly wasted sloppily, or poorly executed. Like Dark Leonardo or ninja magic.
They also have forgotten or ignored some unexplained foreshadowing. Until now, we still don't know why Krang want Hamato family's DNA?
Well, Krang is fricking dead now, so it doesn't matter anyways. So are most of the Utroms, or they were supposed to be. Somehow the Utroms replenished their population when no one was looking, despite being almost entirely dead after several genocides and near starvation.
It also introduced what otherwise would've been a niche cult comic to the world and made it a worldwide phenomenon.
I was never really a fan of them fusing Shredder and Krang into one character.
Thanks for the info. Sounds like I'd rather rewatch the 3rd movie than bay movies.
Though I'm not in a position where I have to do either so I'll stick to the first two.
2nd Bay movie is worth a watch if you're in the mood for a dumb move.
Did someone just get really banned?
Posted turtle porn in the mod's DMs
Do you think this movie made a good use of the multiverse premise or not?
03 Turtles is overrated. They're just another loser ninja turtles. Just like IDW turtles.
It really felt like the 03 writers had a grudge against the 80s turtles.
When the show was still on air a lot of normies keep asking why they were so serious and dark like the"original" 80s turtles, so i guess that contributed a bit.
*Unlike
The original creator had a major part in the '03 series and created it to be more in tune with the original, so shitting on the 80's series for what they turned his work into must have felt highly cathartic.
And Laird made 03 Leo a lame simp for Karai. Ruined 03 Casey's character development. In the Mirage v4 book, April is a living drawing.
That was the impression i got.
>Was it fair for the movie to go as hard shitting on the 80's turtle as they did?
No. They should have shat on it harder.
Whenever a modern reboot references its roots, the writers are always taking a big fat shit on it, instead of mocking it in a good-natured way.
It was a parody dimension, not the same 1987 dimension. Just having the turtles act like they would've authentically behaved in the 1987 show would've played off well with their counterparts. But no, you gotta exaggerate and rip it apart, instead of treating it with sincerity.
I have no idea what you were talking about, the 03 TMNT was great.
Only S1-S3.
80 also has best incarnation of Casey. The only best Casey Jones are those who focus on revenge and crime fighting. And doesn't try to save the villains life. No stupid love drama or daddy issues.
Coulda done without his shitty Dirty Harry impersonation. 2003 was closer to the comic, and thus better.
>Saved the man who killed his father.
> 2003 was closer to the comic
No.
comic Casey freaked out the first time he actually killed somebody so much he traveled cross country and got a wife's daughter
I got into franchise after first show and only things I liked since it was original two movies and Rise.
>If your heroes allow every single fricking villain to survive
But they didn't. There were plenty of villains they eradicated permanently. The most persistent were Shredder, Stockman, and Bishop, the first of which borderline cheats death as hard as possible, the second was never a direct threat anyway, and the third was literally impossible to kill.
Karai is still alive.
>some anon gets posts deleted AGAIN
what's going on ITT
That's just deletegay, TMNT thread fixture, don't worry about it.
Identifying features
>Barging into the thread with lengthy rants about the series
>Usually directed towards specific characters like Jennika being shit, the writers being shit, or most importantly, the turtles being pussified woke pizza turtles who don't kill their villains anymore
>I'm pretty sure he loves Venus De Milo which is weird considering everything else
>Suddenly deletes all of his posts after you've replied to him
2003 April O'Neil the best.
80s is so good that despite being a bit character in a mediocre at best show she still lives on because artists just love her design THAT much.
Red Sky Turtles or Shredder Revenge Turtles will make 2k3 Turtles look embarrassed.
Yes. The 80s show was trash and no amount of popularity or succees will change how much of a shameless bastardization it is. Even any of the weird Nickelodeon versions are better shows.
I would have loved to see 2003 shredder interact with 2012.
the first season of TMNT 80s is what a movie about them should be, it has all.
They made raph a big coward trying to pick on the small turtles to suck up to the edgy comic turtle's. He should of told the edgy turtles to frick off.
Donnie and Mikey both have better potential. Both of them can easily surpass Leo and Raph if they are serious. I really don't care if that make Leo and Raph pointless. These two need more spotlight.
It was bullshit. The ‘80s Turtles were not a bunch of wacky goofballs. Raphael is the only one who was really different.
Who’s more popular: Raph or Mikey?
Raph.
This was settled in a Splatoon 2 Splatfest.
Raph, bad boy always inspires motherhood in women. Their nature to gravitate toward more aggressive males.
The 80s turtles cowering behind the 03 turtles at the end was too much. They're goofy and barely used their weapons but they weren't cowards.
>That time Donatello tore a van apart
To this day, I always wonder if this was just them being weird/lazy and not wanting to draw him cutting it with a blowtorch, or if they were legitimately trying to illustrate that the turtles had some crazy level of super-strength.
I remember the box for one of the playmates toys I had as a kid detailed them as actually being crazy strong and superintelligent, so I never really questioned it.
No
I didn't think '87 Turtles had so many pop culture references.
80s turtle universe is canonically is weakest universe.
80s kids are gonna have to deal with it.
>weakest turtles
IDW turtles.
I meant in terms of the cartoons.
I didn't read the IDW so i'll just take your word for it.
That's the opposite of Turtles Forever says, though. 87 Universe has tech capable of destroying the multiverse.
80s Donnie is definetly the angriest of the 80s turtles. There was an episode where Donatello turned into Batman but edgier. He intentionally threw Shredder into an exploding machine with the intention of having the explosion kill him. Of course Shredder didn't die, but Donnie has a hell of a dark side.
>I’d say he’s gone batty!
>Careful, dude, could be copyright infringement.
Yet the characters from that universe are weaker.
80s Shredder in particular gets knocked down easily by 03 Shredder..
>80s Shredder in particular gets knocked down easily by 03 Shredder..
Everybody gets knocked down from the sheer edge of 03 Shredder, both metaphorically and literally.
In the Red Sky arc, 80s turtles and their enemies become get more seriously. Even Splinter said that he has nothing more to teach them, because the Turtles were his equals.
OK. So now tell me how 80s Splinter's power matches with that of the other versions of the turtles?
Are we sure the red sky series was just one big 20 somthing episode season just split into 3 parts across 3 years because the show was cancelled in 93?
They seemed to be different. The first red sky season still focused on Shredder and Krang and the second one introduced Dregg and Carter. I never watched the third red sky season.
>I never watched the third red sky season.
Lord Dregg was still around for Season 10, but his attempt to fool the people into accepting him as a benevolent ruler was exposed and now he was just trying to conquer Earth through force. If I recall, Carter was gone and the whole "Hulk-Turtles" sub-plot was resolved, Shredder and Krang got one last appearance as Dregg turned to them for help on how to deal with the Turtles, and the series concluded with the Turtles salvaging Krang's android from the Technodrome's ruins for a final attack on Dregg.
Thanks. Sounds like each season was written independently. Most of the seasons had one loose plot, like the gigantic third season having the Technodrome stuck at the earth’s core for the whole time.
yeah
The 80s Turtles in Forever were less the 1987 Cartoon Turtles and more of the general concept of the Turtles from 87 to the early 90s. It was just pent up resentment of the pizza eating, toy slinging, Christmas album singing, PSA lecturing, no violence allowed, catchphrase spewing ethos surrounding the franchise until 03
Might be a bit off topic but from what i'm reading in this thread it seems like the 80s TMNT was the least fitting for NASB.
I'm convinced the people who think the 87' Turtles were 'cool' are solely remembering the Arcade game and Turtles in Time on the SNES. The 87' Turtles were funny but they were massive goobers whose villains were thwarted by quick drying wet cement 98% of the time.
Yeah, pretty much. Leo's and Mikey's movesets are based on the arcade games.
Although oddly enough it feels like their movesets has some 2012 inspiration in them too. IIRC one of Leo's renders is even based on 2012.
I think it would have been cool to have the turtles from across the four cartoons.
Honestly find it funny how they pretty much alienated TMNT by not only just using the 80s but also not including all four turtles.
Pretty much. The are pretty biased towards the 80s TMNT seeing as how they have the most characters, even more than SpongeBob and the fact that the devs rewatched every episode of the 80s cartoon just so they can get April right. They didn't do the same for any other show, even for highly requested characters like Jenny. One fan pointed out that Jenny's entire moveset is based on what she does in the very first episode, no other episode is referenced in her moveset.
Well it shouldn’t have been 87 Turtles but solely because 12 and Rise were the Nick shows. I would have picked 2012, I liked Rise well enough but still
The devs picked those ones because they were fans of that era. Supposedly Nick wanted them to use 2012 like the other recent crossover games.
I was disappointed best girl was only in as a cameo.
The 80s turtles did get pretty dumb in their later seasons but the movie unfairly ignores their earlier seasons less goofy at times appearances.
Its still fun. The comics turtles won easily anyway.
How can she be best girl when April is based on an already popular woman but without the baggage?
You can feel free to disagree you know, I'm not changing my opinion.
Someone knows if Don Turtelli is considered a MLP character? every time I post him I get banned for pony posting
>Someone knows if Don Turtelli is considered a MLP character? every time I post him I get banned for pony posting
hmm let's test this. also what the frick were the writers thinking?
I just started watching the 2000s series, why is Raph the only one who got his voice totally fricked up
>I just started watching the 2000s series, why is Raph the only one who got his voice totally fricked up
Because he's based on HARDCORE Mirage Raph, not '80s Chandler Bing Raph.
Well they aren't incorrect by saying that 87 turtles are basically all Michelangelo
No, Raphael is the only really different one. Leonardo is the straight man in both and Donatello is similar but physics itself is much sillier in ‘80sverse so he can do stuff on Reed Richards’s level.
>No, Raphael is the only really different one.
He's literally just Rob Paulson in a turtle costume.
Not entirely but damned if that joke about wondering who the hell Raph is quipping to doesn't put the biggest smile on my face.