sure, modern ones use wifi and lossless audio.
they dont sound great, but their surround sound is good.
you are better off getting some KRKs or HS6, and some mid rear channel speakers.
a stereo soundbar should be considered a required expense when buying a new TV just as a basic step up from built-in speakers
but a 5.1 soundbar set up from Costco will legitimately cover the bases for 90% of the general public - meaning a soundbar that has a Center and front L+R speakers integrated, and syncs wirelessly with a subwoofer that has rear L+R speakers hooked to it
I have a Vizio 5.1 soundbar system I bought refurbed off eBay. The bar is mounted to the bottom of the TV and the rear speakers are on poles behind both corners of my sofa. Having it on their "movie" preset which boosts the center channel while keeping surround works great for almost every movie, and having the "mirror" preset on which mirrors the front L+R channels to the rear L+R channels for non-surround content works great for regular TV and live sports
there's a full GAME preset but to be honest I don't game enough from the couch to know how it is. Been thinking about screen mirroring to the TV one of these days, might have to dick with it this weekend.
>wireless
ngmi
for 90% of the public it's more than enough. I didn't want to dick with wires running across the floor so having a set up where the rear speakers have wires that hide behind the couch and hook to the sub which then talks to the soundbar wirelessly across the room was very appealing.
I've been thinking about it. I've got a surround system with a bass box and it's pretty good. But the wires are always a hassle and difficult to get around.
My buddy's soundbar has a pretty good woofer and sound quality. It's not a bad option for poorgays who want better sound quality. The ideal of course would be to have a home theater. But choices have to be made and I don't think a soundbar is a bad option.
Vizio V51-H6 is the set up I have, bog standard stuff you can find at Costco but having no wires running across the floor was perfect for me. My space is too small to dick with runners or cable management along base boards.
>it still doesn't place speakers behind or above you
This may be surprising, but you don't have an ear on the back of your head. There is an area called a soundstage which is the optimal calibrated position for listening to a speaker. All a surround setup does is make the soundstage larger.
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I'm still nog changing my 5.1 setup for one soundbar.
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no one is going to buy your homosexual soundbar
I don't have a soundbar, I use a traditional stereo setup with tower speakers. Your 5.1 is still a gimmick.
last girl I brought over to my place noticed I did not have a soundbar, literally asked >no soundbar?
this was on our second date, and there never was a third. so there's that.
I can tell you (and not just you but others itt are new to girls) as soon as a girl sees you spent more on something else that isn't for her, she makes you get rid of it.
t married a few times
Built in speakers are terrible. If you have a small space a soundbar is a good idea (versus surround sound.) Make sure you get a model that supports HDMI ARC and don't cheap out. I tried a Vizio and had to return it.
I bought a soundbar at a discount from an open box seller. I forget its name though.
I've been thinking about it. I've got a surround system with a bass box and it's pretty good. But the wires are always a hassle and difficult to get around.
My buddy's soundbar has a pretty good woofer and sound quality. It's not a bad option for poorgays who want better sound quality. The ideal of course would be to have a home theater. But choices have to be made and I don't think a soundbar is a bad option.
>But the wires are always a hassle and difficult to get around.
If your system is set up why are you worried about wires? Unless you literally have wired it so the wires are in your way, surely though, you could not be that moronic
>If your system is set up
It's not. I have to get it out and put the boxes in place every time I want to watch a movie. I have them labelled: LB,LR, FL, FR, FC.
I haven't integrated them into my house. So I have to get them out and put them back again each time. Like getting out a console with videogames and having to put them away after you're done playing. So that's one of the reasons I'm thinking about a soundbar. This is 2024, I shouldn't be hassled with wires anymore.
That's sounds like a huge fricking hassle, i hate setting up audio gear.
get a soundbar or better just 2 good fronts and solid subwoofer. Surround is mostly useless bullshit, especially if it is set up haphazardly like you are doing it.
If you want a basic decent kino station then get at least a 3.1 sound system (two stereo speakers, one center channel, one sub). Bravo, you automatically have a better setup than 99% of people without even going full surround sound. No more "why dialogue so low explosions so loud" problems.
Yes soundbars are better than integrated TV speakers, but in most cases it's still just shitty chink garbage. Almost like playing a movie through a bluetooth speaker and pretending it's good because it's louder than your TV speakers.
I've been using these for over 4 years now almost exclusively, no dent whatsoever. Maybe your cranial bones didn't develop properly.
Why risk hearing damage when I could be surrounded by sound instead?
Just don't blast the audio at unsafe levels. Even with very dynamic audio track it's still fine and the loudest parts aren't too loud. You need downmixing for that though.
I know the decibel outpout of the headphones and mostly leave my DAC/AMP at -10db. And how is it any different from blasting your speakers, this can damage your ears as well.
The pressure exerted on your ear drums by headphones can be more than from household level speakers, especially earbuds
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What pressure? The DT880 have an open back.
Headphones are way closer to your ear than a speaker is.
If a speaker can damage your hearing, imagine what a speaker inside your ear will do.
db is the same, doesn't matter where it comes from. I do agree that it's way easier to damage your hearing with headphones because most people won't turn up their speakers as loud because of their environment but you can turn the volume way down on headphones and still have a great experience.
The only time I blast my headphones full volume is when I listen to stuff like piano music, everything else can be turned way down. And once again I've been using those headphones for over 4 years now daily, sometimes for over 10 hours and while I haven't had a checkup for my hearing in a while I haven't noticed it degrading at all i.e. not understanding people around me or stuff like that.
I still can't sleep when my TV is on standby 10 meters away from me because I can hear the shitty PSU chirping and I bet most people wouldn't even notice that.
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>I do agree that it's way easier to damage your hearing with headphones
Good, that's what both posts were saying you argumentative c**t
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>What pressure? The DT880 have an open back.
Open-back earphones create zero pressure? Then where does the sound come from?
It's still user error if you damage your hearing, not the fault of the audio device you're using. And yeah I'm an argumentative c**t.
I just love headphones because you can get an amazing listening experience for $100-200 while you have to spent a shitload of money on decent speakers assuming you even have a perfect room layout.
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Okay, fair enough. I like a good pair of headphones too, but my preferred setup would be a 2.1 system with a great subwoofer
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>What pressure? The DT880 have an open back.
Open-back earphones create zero pressure? Then where does the sound come from?
A while back I got an inexpensive (but not cheapskate) 3.1 soundbar and it's probably the most cost efficient meaningful upgrade around since TV audio is 100% unacceptable
Maybe it's only a 6.5/10 solution, but 6.5 is better than 1/10, and I don't have the space/money/inclination to put together a 10/10 true 5.1 setup
Can you link or give me the name of the soundbar you bought? I'm trying to get my mom off of her TV speakers but obviously I'm not going to make her get some autistic system set up.
I'm actually debating that thing. How do you like it?
Yeah you need to do something most of the time. Even say my pic is a huge improvement over TV speakers. I gave them to my brother, his Roku TCL TV was intolerable to me. How do people watch TV like that. Or maybe it's once you start going decent you can't go back.
Now my LG OLED I think actually sounds okay with the TV speakers. But I have this thing that came with it that's awesome. I'll post that next.
Buy a secent setup. These cheap logitech 5.1 systems are garbage. I'm not even an audiophile autist, but they do just sound terrible, no dynamics or clarity what so ever.
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These things sound so shitty. Their main selling point is a subwoofer which can rattle the dishes in your kitchen, but in every other aspect they sound godawful. You're better off buying cheap Sony monitors and a tripath amp.
Damn really. I mean I know it's not top of the line but I'm Z4 guy and those seem good for games and movies so I'm figuring good middle of road brand. I guess it is model or even brands go down hill.
You'll get loud sounds and rumble bass, sure. But compared to a modest bookshelf speaker setup or even leftover car stereo speakers, music can sound completely different because the frequency response and dynamics on logitechs are really poor. If you can get a used set for cheap (like $25) then it's better than nothing. Anything more is a waste of money IMO.
But okay I have this LG Eclair. It's 3.1.2 yeah sure it's not the real deal but I think it sounds awesome. Watching movies on drugs yeah the cinema mode is awesome. I did turn off Atmos, maybe I'll try it again, sounds weird to me but with a new movie mixed and mastered that way it would be better. (Audio and video I really think you're better trying to match as much as possible vs have devices do upgrades or approximations).
Idk, how do they toss in speakers with a TV that's already on sale. How much is the shit really worth.
I'm actually debating that thing. How do you like it?
Yeah you need to do something most of the time. Even say my pic is a huge improvement over TV speakers. I gave them to my brother, his Roku TCL TV was intolerable to me. How do people watch TV like that. Or maybe it's once you start going decent you can't go back.
Now my LG OLED I think actually sounds okay with the TV speakers. But I have this thing that came with it that's awesome. I'll post that next.
These things sound so shitty. Their main selling point is a subwoofer which can rattle the dishes in your kitchen, but in every other aspect they sound godawful. You're better off buying cheap Sony monitors and a tripath amp.
the sub will massage your chest and let you feel those deep rumbles through your sofa or couch and thats on half gain. when you crank this system up your living room will turn into a theater obviosly depending on the sound design of the movie itself
i had high end systems in the past costing thousands of euros with big wooden standing speakers but i dont think i can recommend someone spending 2000-3000 euros because at the end of the day audiophiles are just mentally ill consoomers
>5.1
literally a meme
5.1 was designed for theaters which seat over a hundred people. Your tiny studio apartment does not need this. Logitech systems are essentially $5 speakers with a shaker woofer hooked up to a low quality amp. >wow I can hear background noises behind me on my 5.1
a good stereo setup accomplishes the same thing. You only have two ears. You only need 2 speakers.
I have the Sonos model before the Beam came out with the full-sized sub, and it actually sounds good. The sub has a surprising amount of bass and weighs a fricking ton
Yeah I'm really happy with my sub mini, it's very deep but not a cheap, rattly kind of bass so many other brands of sub has. It's just a nice, clean, deep sound.
even the most basic soundbar is an upgrade from the internal speakers. I got my parents the roku streambar pro for like 200 ish bucks and it's a night and day difference. Especially with voices, a lot of tv shows have the music mixed so poorly you can barely hear what someone is saying.
We have a full-wall projector with built in speakers and i got the walmart onn brand speaker bar trying to improve audio. it is a little clearer but it's actually much quieter so it's useless for what I wanted. I use it to watch movies or games on the pc instead and it's nice.
Bought a 50 inch VA + 2.1 Soundbar in 2019. Really good for a lonecel.
I'd burn 2-3 OLEDs if I started buying them in 2019. Now they look ready for mass use.
I've had an LG C8 since 2019 and it's completely fine. I have a C1 that is use for a third monitor for gaming and zero burn-in as well. Pretty sure LG's burn-in issue was solved on any model past B6.
The burn-in meme was on 2017 or prior models. If you're considering one, it's worth the membership price to buy one through Costco. I think my C1 has a 5 year burn in warranty or something moronic like that. I've even got an old VT60 Panny plasma that still going strong 14 years later.
But the main thing is, I don't go full room rattling tier audio outside of special occasions and only when it's a time of day where nobody could pull some bullshit sound complaint on me
used to live in a super solid steel and brick apt tower and crank my speakers and woofer up and no one could hear it outside my apt. It was built either in the 50s or 70s, i forget, but I loved it. My other apartment was more upscale but it was shit construction and my downstairs neighbor could hear everything so I had to wear headphones, he said he could hear those too, fricking c**t
it's a basement so it's usually dark all the time, it's more of a "fire escape window" with a well. I might get a projector in the future, so it will be completely covered.
Just get a cheap second hand 5.1 system on ebay/facebook marketplace. You can literally just frankenstein them together piece by piece if you want to. Buy the receiver first, buy speakers that are equal to or higher than the receiver's Ω impedance. Doesnt matter if they're old. Speakers arent like TVs that get increasingly better as time goes on. Audio technology is basically the same now as it was in 1980. So you could buy some vintage speakers from 90s/2000s and as long as they arent moldy or destroyed they will sound fine.
It will sound better and be cheaper than a soundbar.
Exactly. You could do a really solid setup for about a grand, and have 8k, atmos, 7 speaker surround, etc. You'd also have bigger, more dynamic front speakers that would play music well.
you could have a better setup than a soundbar for under $100 including the receiver. Even two vintage bookshelf speakers, a centre channel and a sub are better than a soundbar.
Samsung Q800b literally changed my life. One of the best purchases I've made in a long time, that boasts gaming and movies effortlessly. I can only connect it wirelessly to my audio-technica turn table which was an added bonus.
That doesn't help when there's no way to know which ones are bad and which are good because every frick is going to shill their favorite manufacturer and say "werx 4 me lololool"
The thing with speakers is that your room layout has to fit them as well. $5000 speakers may sound mediocre if your room has shit acoustics.
Best way to know if something really fits your needs is buying different speakers, trying them out and sending the ones back that are shit with your setup.
If you want stereo budget speakers, get Edifiers. They are generally decent all round. I have them before I upgraded to a full on Sonos home theatre setup.
it's a basement so it's usually dark all the time, it's more of a "fire escape window" with a well. I might get a projector in the future, so it will be completely covered.
I bought these like 7 years ago. Very decent quality and loudness for the price as I was a a poor student at the time. Still works perfect after having seen heavy use all that time, dropped them a few times moving too. I use them on my PC though, don't own a TV.
I have a cheap as frick 5.1 yamaha reciever with second hand yamaha 5.1 speakers i found online.
I have this for 6 years now, all for less then 500eurodollars, meanwhile my brother has spend thousands on sonos speakers all over his living room, and it sounds like shit compared to my setup.
Even the Sonos Sub Mini is excellent, let alone the bigger version. It has clean, deep bass. That's all that's needed. Who needs a 1000W sub in an enclosed space?
I remember when my brother first got surround sound for our TV and cd player. We played puff daddy's "come with me" from the then new godzilla movie and it gave me chills. Proper surround sound is fricking crazy.
It's like when I got glasses for the first time when I was 18. It was absolutely mind blowing seeing the world for the first time. I just stared at my GFs hair for like an hour in amazement.
>pic related >better than LG (cheap shit), Samsung (constant connectivity issues), Sennheiser (too much mids), JBL (boxy sounding) >engrages the amplifier, reciever, scruffy cables everywhere autists >trueplay technology to calibrate sound depending on your setup >Clean sound, good clarity in lows, mids and highs, with very good bass when needed, doesn't sound 'mushy'
Yeah, I'm thinking this is the best setup I've had. And I've had a lot.
No. Any soundbar that claims to have 'built in sub' the whole thing will just sound shit and mushy when any action happens. Also DTS:X or Atmos in a soundbar without upfiring speakers is a meme (and even that is a bit of a meme).
Atmos is a fricking meme. The only time it was good was in mission impossible fallout and van helsing cause those are the only movies that have extended sequences of people flying
only for brokegay, ghetto apartment dwellers and congested, brokegay wanabe suburb villagers who when they reach out their window can reach their neighbor's window LMAO
me on the other hand have a based yamaha receiver, polk subwoofer and two vintage 12" cerwin vega floor speakers contained in red maplewood boxes that also come with fuses. i can crank that shit almost all the way up and my neighbors can barely hear shit
>i can crank that shit almost all the way up and my neighbors can barely hear shit
So they're either deaf or your speakers are as loud as the one from a shitphone? kekerino
lol it must be true. i live right between two boomer couples and they never complain about me. i'm practically living the dream until they die and 10 cars full of moronic PRIME-drinkiing zoomers move in to rent those houses out
Sound bars are obsolete. I tried one and while it was a marked improvement over my TV's default speakers, the AI audio setting for my TV was better than the sound bar.
Are vintage/old/used speakers a good idea? I have a pair old kenwoods sitting in my garage with red and black wires coming out. I'd like to put together a decent stereo and surround sound system in my living room soon. Tips?
Depending on the quality and condition, some older speakers still compete with modern speakers. Most of the improvements around speakers are in materials and construction (a newer speaker can be made cheaper and last longer for ex), but the core principles around reproducing audio are still the same.
Pro >sounds far superior to the tinny TV speakers >I can Bluetooth music to it from my phone >I can turn in-game music off for vidya, keep SFX on, play game audio through TV, play actual good music through soundbar for a curated experience
Con >My 1 year old is obsessed with grabbing at the soundbar and constantly touches the controls on top. I don't have anywhere out of reach to put it.
Soundbars are an improvement over tv speakers, but better to just get a good stereo setup. People like soundbars because they are easy and less intrusive. Many valid reasons to settle for a soundbar.
My wife has been fricking our neighbor behind my back for over two years now. When I found out, she told be that it's because I can only afford a sound bar but our neighbor has "big boy" speakers.
They're a good compromise if you don't have a lot of space. Especially ones that consolidate multiple functions like the Roku Streambar Pro™. If you're passionate about sound you should have proper center + L/R speakers minimum. No low profile shit.
Because you're an out of touch boomer trying to downmix surround to stereo without a measurement pass, and of course it comes out like shit. Sound on new content is ternary plus gimmick rear and upper channels that almost nothing uses.
Nobody is "downmixing" anything, people just want to be able to turn on the TV and hear the dialogue, which was not a problem for 70 years but is now. The audio output from streaming services should be for the average consumer.
You're quite literally downmixing 3 channels into 2 and splitting the center voice channel between them, which is why it's so awful. If you don't understand how surround downmixing works and do it yourself, it's not going to come out the way you want.
I make my own custom audio track for any film I really care about. I scrub out all the dialogue and then print out scripts. I hire 3-4 hookers and make them act out the movie for me while the rest of the audio plays from a bluetooth speaker taped to my neck.
So, before you used to get separate speakers that go on the left and right of your tv/music station... now they've just combined it into one. Is that the gist
Soundbars are garbage. Only in demand because flat screen tvs don't have good sound. Don't get one unless you live in a small apartment. It's basically a phone speaker but louder.
Ideally, get a home theater system. Bigger the better
>normie neighbors upstairs are having a Taylor Swift listen party >Don't want to listen to that shit >Put on DUNC2 and crank the sound all the way up >My 5.1 speakers and huge subwoofer makes the entire building shake as Paul mounts shaihulud >they turn off the music
You could probably just get by with a Vizio M-Series (5.1 or 5.1.2) for like $400.
Could always max out the $1k budget but for me I figure depreciating returns.
Might as well put $600 to maybe something like a really comfy recliner for the kinostation.
I guess. They’re just a necessary TV accessoriy since TV speakers are intentionally made shitty. That said soundbars are the lowest and cheapest form of sound, surround speakers are definitely better but those are expensive and a sound bar is like $100
>Sonys Acoustic Surface tech...the whole screen is a speaker
Sony OLED TV's have pretty decent speakers and the screen emits sound and acts as a center channel.
sure, modern ones use wifi and lossless audio.
they dont sound great, but their surround sound is good.
you are better off getting some KRKs or HS6, and some mid rear channel speakers.
>modern ones use wifi
that's not a good selling point...
waste of money
why
They sound like shit. I bought one and returned it the next day. Zero improvement over the TV built in speakers.
which one did you buy? im currently debating buying one
>Zero improvement over the TV built in speakers
this is bullshit
you're a liar and a homosexual
Someone’s mad their youngest daughter got abducted by ghosts through the closet, 😉
Your ears are fricked.
a stereo soundbar should be considered a required expense when buying a new TV just as a basic step up from built-in speakers
but a 5.1 soundbar set up from Costco will legitimately cover the bases for 90% of the general public - meaning a soundbar that has a Center and front L+R speakers integrated, and syncs wirelessly with a subwoofer that has rear L+R speakers hooked to it
I have a Vizio 5.1 soundbar system I bought refurbed off eBay. The bar is mounted to the bottom of the TV and the rear speakers are on poles behind both corners of my sofa. Having it on their "movie" preset which boosts the center channel while keeping surround works great for almost every movie, and having the "mirror" preset on which mirrors the front L+R channels to the rear L+R channels for non-surround content works great for regular TV and live sports
What setting is good for video games?
there's a full GAME preset but to be honest I don't game enough from the couch to know how it is. Been thinking about screen mirroring to the TV one of these days, might have to dick with it this weekend.
for 90% of the public it's more than enough. I didn't want to dick with wires running across the floor so having a set up where the rear speakers have wires that hide behind the couch and hook to the sub which then talks to the soundbar wirelessly across the room was very appealing.
Vizio V51-H6 is the set up I have, bog standard stuff you can find at Costco but having no wires running across the floor was perfect for me. My space is too small to dick with runners or cable management along base boards.
>wireless
ngmi
>5.1 soundbar set up from Costco
Better off with a 2ch receiver.
costco sells macbooks, homosexual. go buy one.
Recommend a good, relatively inexpensive 5.1 system from costco that isn't vizio.
They are a cheap way for normies who don’t have the brains or the cash to get a proper stereo to pretend that they have “surround sound”
ok boomer
is right. How can one speaker give you genuine surround sound?
AI
>AI
But it still doesn't place speakers behind or above you. It's not real surround.
>it still doesn't place speakers behind or above you
This may be surprising, but you don't have an ear on the back of your head. There is an area called a soundstage which is the optimal calibrated position for listening to a speaker. All a surround setup does is make the soundstage larger.
I'm still nog changing my 5.1 setup for one soundbar.
I don't have a soundbar, I use a traditional stereo setup with tower speakers. Your 5.1 is still a gimmick.
poorgay cope
no one is going to buy your homosexual soundbar
They aren't wrong shithead.
last girl I brought over to my place noticed I did not have a soundbar, literally asked
>no soundbar?
this was on our second date, and there never was a third. so there's that.
This happened inside your mind broken head didn’t it?
no she literally wanted to hook her iphone into it (if I had one) via bluetooth.
Soundbar? HAHAHA, finish your drink honey.
I can tell you (and not just you but others itt are new to girls) as soon as a girl sees you spent more on something else that isn't for her, she makes you get rid of it.
t married a few times
Built in speakers are terrible. If you have a small space a soundbar is a good idea (versus surround sound.) Make sure you get a model that supports HDMI ARC and don't cheap out. I tried a Vizio and had to return it.
I bought a soundbar at a discount from an open box seller. I forget its name though.
I've been thinking about it. I've got a surround system with a bass box and it's pretty good. But the wires are always a hassle and difficult to get around.
My buddy's soundbar has a pretty good woofer and sound quality. It's not a bad option for poorgays who want better sound quality. The ideal of course would be to have a home theater. But choices have to be made and I don't think a soundbar is a bad option.
>But the wires are always a hassle and difficult to get around.
If your system is set up why are you worried about wires? Unless you literally have wired it so the wires are in your way, surely though, you could not be that moronic
>If your system is set up
It's not. I have to get it out and put the boxes in place every time I want to watch a movie. I have them labelled: LB,LR, FL, FR, FC.
I haven't integrated them into my house. So I have to get them out and put them back again each time. Like getting out a console with videogames and having to put them away after you're done playing. So that's one of the reasons I'm thinking about a soundbar. This is 2024, I shouldn't be hassled with wires anymore.
ah, ok. so you're acoustic and guitarded. just do like the anon says and get a 5.1 soundbar kit from a big-box store
That's sounds like a huge fricking hassle, i hate setting up audio gear.
get a soundbar or better just 2 good fronts and solid subwoofer. Surround is mostly useless bullshit, especially if it is set up haphazardly like you are doing it.
if your only other option is the tv itself then ok, that's as far as this shit goes.
Get two, one on each side, for a fake surround sound that is actually just as good as normal surround sound
test
If you want a basic decent kino station then get at least a 3.1 sound system (two stereo speakers, one center channel, one sub). Bravo, you automatically have a better setup than 99% of people without even going full surround sound. No more "why dialogue so low explosions so loud" problems.
Yes soundbars are better than integrated TV speakers, but in most cases it's still just shitty chink garbage. Almost like playing a movie through a bluetooth speaker and pretending it's good because it's louder than your TV speakers.
I have 5.1 and dialog is still too low most of the time without tweaks
a receiver doesn't magically fix shit sound design
Soundbars /center channels are lame-o. Just go back to mono recording/speakers so you can actually hear dailog again.
Pic rel works just fine, don't tell me you guys aren't watching your kino alone.
i'm not doing this and getting your gamer dent.
nice try and some people might get fooled. not me though.
I've been using these for over 4 years now almost exclusively, no dent whatsoever. Maybe your cranial bones didn't develop properly.
Just don't blast the audio at unsafe levels. Even with very dynamic audio track it's still fine and the loudest parts aren't too loud. You need downmixing for that though.
How do you know when the volume level is unsafe?
What?
I know the decibel outpout of the headphones and mostly leave my DAC/AMP at -10db. And how is it any different from blasting your speakers, this can damage your ears as well.
The pressure exerted on your ear drums by headphones can be more than from household level speakers, especially earbuds
What pressure? The DT880 have an open back.
db is the same, doesn't matter where it comes from. I do agree that it's way easier to damage your hearing with headphones because most people won't turn up their speakers as loud because of their environment but you can turn the volume way down on headphones and still have a great experience.
The only time I blast my headphones full volume is when I listen to stuff like piano music, everything else can be turned way down. And once again I've been using those headphones for over 4 years now daily, sometimes for over 10 hours and while I haven't had a checkup for my hearing in a while I haven't noticed it degrading at all i.e. not understanding people around me or stuff like that.
I still can't sleep when my TV is on standby 10 meters away from me because I can hear the shitty PSU chirping and I bet most people wouldn't even notice that.
>I do agree that it's way easier to damage your hearing with headphones
Good, that's what both posts were saying you argumentative c**t
It's still user error if you damage your hearing, not the fault of the audio device you're using. And yeah I'm an argumentative c**t.
I just love headphones because you can get an amazing listening experience for $100-200 while you have to spent a shitload of money on decent speakers assuming you even have a perfect room layout.
Okay, fair enough. I like a good pair of headphones too, but my preferred setup would be a 2.1 system with a great subwoofer
>What pressure? The DT880 have an open back.
Open-back earphones create zero pressure? Then where does the sound come from?
>PSU chirping
What's that?
Headphones are way closer to your ear than a speaker is.
If a speaker can damage your hearing, imagine what a speaker inside your ear will do.
Why risk hearing damage when I could be surrounded by sound instead?
this but hurr durr 600s
Also a great choice.
We are watching alone. With nobody else around
I'm not trying to develop tinnitus
What if I want to lie down while I watch tv? Headphones just aren't comfortable to wear for a long time.
A while back I got an inexpensive (but not cheapskate) 3.1 soundbar and it's probably the most cost efficient meaningful upgrade around since TV audio is 100% unacceptable
Maybe it's only a 6.5/10 solution, but 6.5 is better than 1/10, and I don't have the space/money/inclination to put together a 10/10 true 5.1 setup
Can you link or give me the name of the soundbar you bought? I'm trying to get my mom off of her TV speakers but obviously I'm not going to make her get some autistic system set up.
i wouldnt waste my money. just get the poorgay kino starter pack. you wont need more trust me
I'm actually debating that thing. How do you like it?
Yeah you need to do something most of the time. Even say my pic is a huge improvement over TV speakers. I gave them to my brother, his Roku TCL TV was intolerable to me. How do people watch TV like that. Or maybe it's once you start going decent you can't go back.
Now my LG OLED I think actually sounds okay with the TV speakers. But I have this thing that came with it that's awesome. I'll post that next.
Buy a secent setup. These cheap logitech 5.1 systems are garbage. I'm not even an audiophile autist, but they do just sound terrible, no dynamics or clarity what so ever.
*decent
Damn really. I mean I know it's not top of the line but I'm Z4 guy and those seem good for games and movies so I'm figuring good middle of road brand. I guess it is model or even brands go down hill.
You'll get loud sounds and rumble bass, sure. But compared to a modest bookshelf speaker setup or even leftover car stereo speakers, music can sound completely different because the frequency response and dynamics on logitechs are really poor. If you can get a used set for cheap (like $25) then it's better than nothing. Anything more is a waste of money IMO.
This is the Logitech Z4.
But okay I have this LG Eclair. It's 3.1.2 yeah sure it's not the real deal but I think it sounds awesome. Watching movies on drugs yeah the cinema mode is awesome. I did turn off Atmos, maybe I'll try it again, sounds weird to me but with a new movie mixed and mastered that way it would be better. (Audio and video I really think you're better trying to match as much as possible vs have devices do upgrades or approximations).
Idk, how do they toss in speakers with a TV that's already on sale. How much is the shit really worth.
These things sound so shitty. Their main selling point is a subwoofer which can rattle the dishes in your kitchen, but in every other aspect they sound godawful. You're better off buying cheap Sony monitors and a tripath amp.
shitty compared to what? more expensive speakers? show me a better sounding 5.1 system for 200 euros on sale. i will wait
>muh rattling dishes
lmao
the sub will massage your chest and let you feel those deep rumbles through your sofa or couch and thats on half gain. when you crank this system up your living room will turn into a theater obviosly depending on the sound design of the movie itself
i had high end systems in the past costing thousands of euros with big wooden standing speakers but i dont think i can recommend someone spending 2000-3000 euros because at the end of the day audiophiles are just mentally ill consoomers
>5.1
literally a meme
5.1 was designed for theaters which seat over a hundred people. Your tiny studio apartment does not need this. Logitech systems are essentially $5 speakers with a shaker woofer hooked up to a low quality amp.
>wow I can hear background noises behind me on my 5.1
a good stereo setup accomplishes the same thing. You only have two ears. You only need 2 speakers.
it scales you dumb Black person, a theater has their surrounds split 5 ways each channel because of the amount of rows.
and when they use pic rel?
I didn't realize you had a full theater row in front of your tv.
A nice home theater receiver and hi-fi speakers will do you much better, last forever, and are great for music too.
it's a meme, wife always wants it turned down.
>listening to women
My setup is;
>Sonos Beam Gen 2 (down from the arc, as the Beam somehow just sounds better and fuller)
>2x Sonos One's SL for rears
>Sub Mini
All in all I'm very happy with it, the clarity, seperate between lows mids and highs, and the overal sound is very good.
I have the Sonos model before the Beam came out with the full-sized sub, and it actually sounds good. The sub has a surprising amount of bass and weighs a fricking ton
Yeah I'm really happy with my sub mini, it's very deep but not a cheap, rattly kind of bass so many other brands of sub has. It's just a nice, clean, deep sound.
even the most basic soundbar is an upgrade from the internal speakers. I got my parents the roku streambar pro for like 200 ish bucks and it's a night and day difference. Especially with voices, a lot of tv shows have the music mixed so poorly you can barely hear what someone is saying.
We have a full-wall projector with built in speakers and i got the walmart onn brand speaker bar trying to improve audio. it is a little clearer but it's actually much quieter so it's useless for what I wanted. I use it to watch movies or games on the pc instead and it's nice.
Bought a 50 inch VA + 2.1 Soundbar in 2019. Really good for a lonecel.
I'd burn 2-3 OLEDs if I started buying them in 2019. Now they look ready for mass use.
I've had an LG C8 since 2019 and it's completely fine. I have a C1 that is use for a third monitor for gaming and zero burn-in as well. Pretty sure LG's burn-in issue was solved on any model past B6.
Damn, that's good
The burn-in meme was on 2017 or prior models. If you're considering one, it's worth the membership price to buy one through Costco. I think my C1 has a 5 year burn in warranty or something moronic like that. I've even got an old VT60 Panny plasma that still going strong 14 years later.
Costco warranty doesn't cover burn in. Best Buy's does but you have to pay for the warranty.
do you guys have soundproof apartments?
serious question.
They all live in the same orphanage.
Majority of anons live alone in houses
I see, don't the neighbors complain?
yeah, just like Norman Bates
I don't but I don't like my neighbors anyway
But the main thing is, I don't go full room rattling tier audio outside of special occasions and only when it's a time of day where nobody could pull some bullshit sound complaint on me
used to live in a super solid steel and brick apt tower and crank my speakers and woofer up and no one could hear it outside my apt. It was built either in the 50s or 70s, i forget, but I loved it. My other apartment was more upscale but it was shit construction and my downstairs neighbor could hear everything so I had to wear headphones, he said he could hear those too, fricking c**t
They are a cope for those who dont wanna drop 5 grand on a hifi setup
Only Dan Bilzerians need that. You're a Cinemaphilener with no friends, homie.
>spends 5k
>doesn't address the install/room setup
>this sounds really good r-right anon?
>Ummm it’s calibrated to be perfect if you sit in the middle of the sofa, if you move a few cms away it desyncs
that isn't a sofa, it's a loveseat
And tonight I’m feelin romantical
I spent about 8k, still have a bit to go.
>dual mammoth subwoofers
Nice
please tell me you have a curtain for that window
it's a basement so it's usually dark all the time, it's more of a "fire escape window" with a well. I might get a projector in the future, so it will be completely covered.
>subwoofers
Ruins every movie
your laptop speakers are loud enough, am I right?
You gay son?
not him but the only reason to ever switch on a woofer is if there is gunfire/explosions or absolute muscle car exhaust systems in the kino.
So you had to skimp on the carpet?
not him but wood floors are absolute comfy, nice pair of sheepskin moccasins for ultra comfy
>two single seats.
>not just one big couch so you can lay down and chill
Bad decision.
It's 4 actually and they recline fully
Nice, what amps are you running?
don't have one yet, still looking at the options, Dirac Live + Bass control does a decent job in the interim.
get a bigger tv
It's 77 inches. Looking at getting a projector or if OLED 100" TV's ever become affordable.
Is that a window or a picture frame hideously off centre above the TV and when the frick are you going to sort your life out and address it?
It's a basement window well, take your meds.
I did, they don't work which is why I'm here with you, now sort that shit out anon
a big black set of curtains over that entire ugly ass wall would really set that thing off
watch out for getting a case of audiophilia. You’ll have that carpet crawling with cable snakes in no time
I am not an audiophile. I've been accused of it, and I've been to arbitration and I've paid a large settlement.
Nice. Can you frick my wife while I film it? It seems like you have enough floorspace.
>audio cables allowed to touch the floor
ooof
I don't have 30k for the cable stands
There's so much wrong with this setup that I'm not going to bother.
by all means, George Lucas, go on. it's about 3/4 done. still need sound treatment, paint, an amplifier and misc things.
running wire in the walls was way easier than routing and hiding shit outside the wall.
Just get a cheap second hand 5.1 system on ebay/facebook marketplace. You can literally just frankenstein them together piece by piece if you want to. Buy the receiver first, buy speakers that are equal to or higher than the receiver's Ω impedance. Doesnt matter if they're old. Speakers arent like TVs that get increasingly better as time goes on. Audio technology is basically the same now as it was in 1980. So you could buy some vintage speakers from 90s/2000s and as long as they arent moldy or destroyed they will sound fine.
It will sound better and be cheaper than a soundbar.
Exactly. You could do a really solid setup for about a grand, and have 8k, atmos, 7 speaker surround, etc. You'd also have bigger, more dynamic front speakers that would play music well.
you could have a better setup than a soundbar for under $100 including the receiver. Even two vintage bookshelf speakers, a centre channel and a sub are better than a soundbar.
Samsung Q800b literally changed my life. One of the best purchases I've made in a long time, that boasts gaming and movies effortlessly. I can only connect it wirelessly to my audio-technica turn table which was an added bonus.
*also
not only
if you're poor, sure.
show your setup.
My parents have one and it's always disconnecting and the audio lags. They're a meme for dumb boomers
tell them to look for the secret button presses/holds to disable the energy saver. yes, it's a real thing.
Bad cheap soundbars are bad. Does not mean all soundbars are bad.
All soundbars are bad, though.
That doesn't help when there's no way to know which ones are bad and which are good because every frick is going to shill their favorite manufacturer and say "werx 4 me lololool"
The thing with speakers is that your room layout has to fit them as well. $5000 speakers may sound mediocre if your room has shit acoustics.
Best way to know if something really fits your needs is buying different speakers, trying them out and sending the ones back that are shit with your setup.
I prefer wireless noise cancelling headphones
i'm not cooking my ears off with something like that and those fake leather ear things
For me it's Sennheiser
monika
I felt the same when I lived in an apartment or lived with roommates. I didn't want to bother other people with my loud-ass TV.
Now that I have a house I don't care.
Bros, should I get this ($50) for my TV? Or...
..this ($100)? It's Creative T20 in the first pic and presonus eres 3.5 second pic.
If you want stereo budget speakers, get Edifiers. They are generally decent all round. I have them before I upgraded to a full on Sonos home theatre setup.
is there a remote control version?
ahh nice
I bought these like 7 years ago. Very decent quality and loudness for the price as I was a a poor student at the time. Still works perfect after having seen heavy use all that time, dropped them a few times moving too. I use them on my PC though, don't own a TV.
I have a cheap as frick 5.1 yamaha reciever with second hand yamaha 5.1 speakers i found online.
I have this for 6 years now, all for less then 500eurodollars, meanwhile my brother has spend thousands on sonos speakers all over his living room, and it sounds like shit compared to my setup.
Lmao no, an old yamaha system does not sound better than a sonos system. stop lying.
>yeah this little sonos speaker totaly has a better bass sound then a actual speaker setup.
Get real.
Even the Sonos Sub Mini is excellent, let alone the bigger version. It has clean, deep bass. That's all that's needed. Who needs a 1000W sub in an enclosed space?
You a bot or a sonos salesman?
it probably does, they can push more wattage through a receiver and wire than some gay as proprietary wireless shit.
It's not so much the wattage, it's a class D amp vs class AB.
that's cute, my receiver and class d amp still shits all over Sonos.
when did it ship?
did you really post an image of something you don't own?
I'm at work, so clearly I'm posting a screenshot. I've had for 6 months and it took about a month to ship
I paid $5.00 for my 7.1 Yamaha at the thrift shop. No HDMI though, I have to get old disc players with the optical out.
Not really a problem because all tv's these days have more then enough HDMI ports.
are soundbars good for music on tv?
I remember when my brother first got surround sound for our TV and cd player. We played puff daddy's "come with me" from the then new godzilla movie and it gave me chills. Proper surround sound is fricking crazy.
It's like when I got glasses for the first time when I was 18. It was absolutely mind blowing seeing the world for the first time. I just stared at my GFs hair for like an hour in amazement.
A soundbar is a must. I recommend one with a big, punchy subwoofer like mine. I don't have any neighbors, so I can crank my shit UP.
>pic related
>better than LG (cheap shit), Samsung (constant connectivity issues), Sennheiser (too much mids), JBL (boxy sounding)
>engrages the amplifier, reciever, scruffy cables everywhere autists
>trueplay technology to calibrate sound depending on your setup
>Clean sound, good clarity in lows, mids and highs, with very good bass when needed, doesn't sound 'mushy'
Yeah, I'm thinking this is the best setup I've had. And I've had a lot.
Posts all this gay shit
Doesn't give a link or name
Moron
>Sonos Immersive Set with Beam
just reverse search the image anon
Samsung 3.1Ch Wireless Soundbar with Dolby Digital/DTS Virtual:X In Built Subwoofer Bluetooth Connectivity - HW-B650/ZN
is this one any good
No. Any soundbar that claims to have 'built in sub' the whole thing will just sound shit and mushy when any action happens. Also DTS:X or Atmos in a soundbar without upfiring speakers is a meme (and even that is a bit of a meme).
Just get a Beam. Then you can add to it overtime.
>upfiring
in english, doc
upfiring Atmos is a meme in itself
Atmos is a fricking meme. The only time it was good was in mission impossible fallout and van helsing cause those are the only movies that have extended sequences of people flying
also downpours in blade runner films
To each their own.
I'll stick to my big dumb Latvia SSR speakers because it's FUN
only for brokegay, ghetto apartment dwellers and congested, brokegay wanabe suburb villagers who when they reach out their window can reach their neighbor's window LMAO
me on the other hand have a based yamaha receiver, polk subwoofer and two vintage 12" cerwin vega floor speakers contained in red maplewood boxes that also come with fuses. i can crank that shit almost all the way up and my neighbors can barely hear shit
>i can crank that shit almost all the way up and my neighbors can barely hear shit
So they're either deaf or your speakers are as loud as the one from a shitphone? kekerino
lol it must be true. i live right between two boomer couples and they never complain about me. i'm practically living the dream until they die and 10 cars full of moronic PRIME-drinkiing zoomers move in to rent those houses out
I hear Prime contains illegal amounts of forever chemicals .
Maybe they'll be dead soon?
Sound bars are obsolete. I tried one and while it was a marked improvement over my TV's default speakers, the AI audio setting for my TV was better than the sound bar.
Are vintage/old/used speakers a good idea? I have a pair old kenwoods sitting in my garage with red and black wires coming out. I'd like to put together a decent stereo and surround sound system in my living room soon. Tips?
Depending on the quality and condition, some older speakers still compete with modern speakers. Most of the improvements around speakers are in materials and construction (a newer speaker can be made cheaper and last longer for ex), but the core principles around reproducing audio are still the same.
>He doesn't have a 5.2.1 Atmos set-up in 2024.
Why even live?
normies don't know what they are missing
I like my old 5.1 with wires and I ain’t changing it.
You could probably get that n eBay for $100 or less.
Frick Wi-Fi soundbars.
Pro
>sounds far superior to the tinny TV speakers
>I can Bluetooth music to it from my phone
>I can turn in-game music off for vidya, keep SFX on, play game audio through TV, play actual good music through soundbar for a curated experience
Con
>My 1 year old is obsessed with grabbing at the soundbar and constantly touches the controls on top. I don't have anywhere out of reach to put it.
TVs can never be kino.
Soundbars are an improvement over tv speakers, but better to just get a good stereo setup. People like soundbars because they are easy and less intrusive. Many valid reasons to settle for a soundbar.
No. Just use real speakers n' woofers. It's not hard.
My wife has been fricking our neighbor behind my back for over two years now. When I found out, she told be that it's because I can only afford a sound bar but our neighbor has "big boy" speakers.
she has a valid point
I just mismatched a logitech sub with a pair of pose companions as tweeters
it honestly sounds pretty great and I probably spent $60 total
*bose
Samsung makes such shitty soundbars just stay away from those t. random anon on the internet with shitty soundbar
I just use my TV speakers
Rather tinny though, Cletus.
I don’t know anything about audio but these always seemed to be targeted at morons.
all in one solutions usually are
Doesn't matter what you do because sound mixing is so ass.
They're a good compromise if you don't have a lot of space. Especially ones that consolidate multiple functions like the Roku Streambar Pro™. If you're passionate about sound you should have proper center + L/R speakers minimum. No low profile shit.
Because you're an out of touch boomer trying to downmix surround to stereo without a measurement pass, and of course it comes out like shit. Sound on new content is ternary plus gimmick rear and upper channels that almost nothing uses.
>audio autist shilling in every thread about this
Nobody is "downmixing" anything, people just want to be able to turn on the TV and hear the dialogue, which was not a problem for 70 years but is now. The audio output from streaming services should be for the average consumer.
You're quite literally downmixing 3 channels into 2 and splitting the center voice channel between them, which is why it's so awful. If you don't understand how surround downmixing works and do it yourself, it's not going to come out the way you want.
If you're too stupid to know how to set up speakers, sure.
If you're not watching your kino on a 2010 laptop you're not doing it right
I make my own custom audio track for any film I really care about. I scrub out all the dialogue and then print out scripts. I hire 3-4 hookers and make them act out the movie for me while the rest of the audio plays from a bluetooth speaker taped to my neck.
So, before you used to get separate speakers that go on the left and right of your tv/music station... now they've just combined it into one. Is that the gist
yeah, so there's like less speakers to deal with, man, you know like half as many
Having a soundbar always means you're moronic and usually means you're poor.
Soundbars are garbage. Only in demand because flat screen tvs don't have good sound. Don't get one unless you live in a small apartment. It's basically a phone speaker but louder.
Ideally, get a home theater system. Bigger the better
>normie neighbors upstairs are having a Taylor Swift listen party
>Don't want to listen to that shit
>Put on DUNC2 and crank the sound all the way up
>My 5.1 speakers and huge subwoofer makes the entire building shake as Paul mounts shaihulud
>they turn off the music
Am I based or what?
You're a white traitor scum
if you don't have at least a 5.1 setup you don't actually like movies
a soundbar is the bare fricking minimum, if you watch on TV speakers kys
you're talking to a board that plugs their laptops into a decade old LCD tv or watches movies in a gayming chair.
What's the best setup under $1000 where I don't have to run a bunch of fricking wire
You could probably just get by with a Vizio M-Series (5.1 or 5.1.2) for like $400.
Could always max out the $1k budget but for me I figure depreciating returns.
Might as well put $600 to maybe something like a really comfy recliner for the kinostation.
You man up and buy a proper receiver and some bookshelves. Skip Atmos and DTS:X if you're not putting 4 speakers on the ceiling.
I guess. They’re just a necessary TV accessoriy since TV speakers are intentionally made shitty. That said soundbars are the lowest and cheapest form of sound, surround speakers are definitely better but those are expensive and a sound bar is like $100
>Sonys Acoustic Surface tech...the whole screen is a speaker
Sony OLED TV's have pretty decent speakers and the screen emits sound and acts as a center channel.
Soundbars are pure cope for destitute brownoids who lack the living arrangements for proper 7.1 setups