I haven't finished it yet, still 2 more episodes left but I genuinely don't understand what the frick is being shown on the screen/what the frick the characters are even talking about like 1/3 of the time. I've obviously watched the original show + FWWM (the regular version not the fan edit) and it doesn't help at all. For some reason I'm still enjoying the show a lot though. Did you guys have the same experience?
The Return is shit.
It's good but different
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I got like 3 episodes in, couldn't do it anymore
Because you got filtered, nothing to do with the show.
dont even remember this but I remember lot of things tying into each other when rewatching it
quality of the show*
Those woodsmen remind me of that Mulholland Drive hobo
I'm ESL and I've always thought of it as a comforting phrase that doesn't necessarily mean literal home. For me it's more of a 'you're safe with me' kind of thing
Not really, it is not that complicated although it helps if you watch it in more compact timeframe rather than one episode per week how it was released. Maybe rewatching it will help. I found it pretty easy like that.
I'm binging it, watched 16 episodes in 3 days. I mean, the general plot is straightforward. But there are moments like pic related and there are many of them
It's not spoonfed, and maybe some of it is not that "meaningful", it's just ideas perhaps. But once in a while, you connect some dots and you find yourself thinking "oh that makes sense somehow".
What was this thing?
it was a box to receive whatever outcome Lorraine had to executing Dougie (she failed). she sent the number then it sent an execution order on her to Duncan
the show wasn't made any better by not explaining this
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Give it time. When you rewatch it all over again later, you will see it differently. The point of the Return is that there is no going back, there is no "oh the old Twin Peaks that i loved". The characters have aged and are...in a different place now.
First watch of it all I half understood it, but there were a lot of threads and events that I couldn't explain, especially in the last few episodes, enough to say I had no grasp.
Then a long break, then S1/2 again (where it clicked that the show is a kaleidoscope of trauma, with Laura Palmer in the center), FWWM, then some reading about the shows production, and Frost's role and influence, watched Blue Velvet and Eraserhead again, then started the Return over.
And found it really pretty straightforward? Some curveballs still, but the core of the show felt appearant by the end. The ending itself is probably Lynch's best IMO.
Does anyone else feel The Return's ending feels like the Soprano's ending? It's hard to say how but there's a texture that the last scene of the Return and the last in Sopranos share to me. Which would be an interesting fold, if Lynch took a cue from it, seeing as David Chase has talked openly about Twin Peak's influence on the Soprano's (especially the dreams and surreal moments)
The ending is like the Sopranos in the sense that it doesn't flat out tell you what happened but leaves you enough breadcrumbs you can kind of fill in the blanks yourself. The difference is the Sopranos ending really only has two variations: either Tony dies or he doesn't. The TP ending has a lot more possibilities.
And I think most people would have an easier time processing the show after stopping, thinking about it for a while and then watching it again. It's almost like training. The more you think about a complex subject the better you get at it. Just like you might not have to put any effort into basic arithmetic but a complex formula might not make complete sense at first. Most tv is basic arithmetic, Twin Peaks is a complex formula. The fact that it doesn't all make sense right away doesn't mean it's nonsensical, just that more thought is required. A lot of people don't want to make the effort, which is fine because this is all recreational and to each his own, but that's not a fault with the show.
Half the fun in TP is the ambiguity, it leaves so many potential interpretations open and you actually have to come to your own conclusions instead of being force-fed one definitive version via exposition dumps like 90% of tv shows would do. Among the ways you could interpret it:
>everything is more or less what it appears to be. The supernatural elements are "real" in the same way magic is real in the Harry Potter universe or Aliens and black goo are real in the X-Files. It's just another self-contained fictional universe with it's own rules and internal logic and the confusion is just because Lynch doesn't do as much explaining as a typical series does
>it's a metafictional series where the highest-level characters become self-aware, realize they're fictional, and ultimately break the 4th wall cross over into the real world
>it's a commentary on the state of television and many of the narrative elements are symbolic and metaphorical (Lynch and/or the audience is the dreamer)
>It's a visual representation of the internal alternate reality constructed by Laura after she ultimately went schizo due to years abuse from her father and dissociated form reality (Laura is the dreamer)
>It's a visual representation of the internal alternate reality constructed by Cooper after he ultimately went schizo due to the trauma of Caroline's murder or his attempt to repress the fact that *he* killed Laura Palmer (Cooper is the dreamer)
All of these put a different spin on the ending but I don't want to talk about it if you haven't got there yet
You make very good points there...never quite put them that way, but i felt there were moments like that.
Just finished episode 17, what a great fricking episode it was
>We're going home
Man
Good post. I like the ambiguity but it always makes me feel like a brainlet because I think I'm constantly misinterpreting stuff
>We're going home
As many others before me have pointed out, although this phrase is usually very comforting it's kind of odd that he uses it in this context because for Laura "home" is literally the worst place in the world. It's really debatable whether Cooper was saving Laua or just using her
cooper is always trying to save people, even when he can't and shouldn't. this is his undoing.
as contrasted with Mr. C, who is always trying to do harm, even when he can't and shouldn't. this is his undoing.
only dougie, who first and foremost listens and observes the world around him comes out okay.
But would Cooper sacrifice Laua (and himself in the process) if it meant saving the entire world from Judy and the woodsmen? It's kind of implied that that's her purpose and a lot of the theories about ep. 18 look at it as kind of a suicide mission for both of them. His confusion in the end may not be indicative that the plan isn't working, just that the reality shift is finally catching up to him. In that case it's less an undoing than a pyrrhic victory (assuming any of it is "real" at all).
>doesn't necessarily mean literal home
But he does end up literally taking her to her house. It seems like that was always the plan
he would do anything to save both, no matter whether such a thing is possible
Cooper is the personification of the idea that there are things in your control and things out of your control, and that when you try to change things out of control the only outcome is suffering
he doesn't plan on sacrificing her, saving her is part of "two birds with one stone"
>But would Cooper sacrifice Laua (and himself in the process) if it meant saving the entire world from Judy and the woodsmen?
Like this anon said
he would try to do both. Cooper is the Magician, as they call him in the 'fire walk with me' poem. The Magician in tarot is symbolic of a young man. He's an initiate who, upon getting the first taste of deeper secrets, gets it into his head that he already understands everything. But he ultimately understands nothing and if he follows his arrogance then it will be his undoing.
The show didn't get any of this across, it just looked like he walked her through a portal to the real world out of the TV show. I liked the very last 10 minutes of The Return where it's in the boring real world and Cooper is like a real FBI agent, an butthole.
God you morons only get something if it spoon fed to you
To be fair to OP, Twin Peaks is the exact opposite of spoon-feeding and anybody who says it just made perfect sense the first time out and they got it all is full of shit. Nobody actually knows for sure what it all means besides Lynch and maybe Frost.
OP has the right idea. Be confused, but keep going, start asking the right questions and then put the pieces together. It's the people who reject the show because of their initial confusion that are doing it wrong. Don't be a dick.
It made perfect sense for me the first time I watched it but I've always had an interest in the occult so the symbolism came naturally.
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Hulk hands ftw
Lynch likes leaving his works open to interpretation, some more than others.
The key to understanding the ending is the scene when Laura tells Cooper she saw him in her dream even though she couldn't have known him by the time she tells him that. When you take that into consideration it's literally obvious what happens in the last episodes and in the ending.
Just watched episode 8 today, I'm pretty sure the 2nd half was the visually best kino I've ever seen.
Apart from that, twin peaks is highly overrated. It's 80% filler episodes.
Means you're an npc chud
Well, I finished the show. Don't know what to think of it honestly. It was great but not like the first two seasons at all. Honestly felt like Inland Empire: the TV show. Didn't understand the last scene but I felt it
It's David Lynch self indulging in his exalted status as a true artist, you're supposed to collectively oooh and ahhh and awww at every single small thing he does, this is what happens when you praise geniuses while they're still alive and they get wind of it, it's why Van Gogh never had a shit painting.
>Didn't understand the last scene but I felt it
That's the idea.
>Didn't understand the last scene but I felt it
The true Lynch experience. You have to come to your own conclusion about what you watched. Most of his work is trying to capture dreams, that bizarre and disjointed fantasy land our minds slip into but can't recall fully.
Think of it as a sort of amalgam of all of Lynch's work in the meta sense.
He's just playing around with his budget and concepts in his usual way.
It doesn't necessarily need to "make sense" but it is consistent with his usual dream logic and the internal logic of the Twin Peaks setting where there's a soap opera like "front" and a kind of a theater-like "back stage".
Think of it as a character from a stage play becoming aware he's a character, moving back behind the curtains to explore what's there and then being ushered into a completely different play which is tonally different from where he originates.
The interplay between these "layers" is what the overall meta narrative of Twin Peaks is all about.