Ultimate Spider-Man

I swear I've seen this exact line repeated in previous posts on this board

I never said responsibility, but rather that the loss is the event that makes him decide to keep doing it for good.
You're treating Peter like a child despite him being a grown up
"Having kids" is not inherently responsible if the parent is not the most stable

But what you’re talking about is a peter who is Spider-Man while young NEEDING a kick in the ass to stay on the straight and narrow. Here he’s a full grown man with a life, he has a family and has respect at work, I hope we get to see a bit more of his personal life since I’d like to see flash or Liz, but in all honesty I’m fine with what’s being portrayed because it’s different enough while capturing the essence of Pete as a character. I don’t doubt Hickman will let us down, but I’m not teeing him up to frankly.

I like this start more than I liked life stories so I’m buying this at the very least. So it’s looking like it’ll start as a 6 issue mini series and go from there once we catch up to Tony

Yeah, so far it's not just better than Wells, but it's also better than Slott or even Spencer.

Peter's not some fragile flower who needs to be protected from every hardship in the universe. I don't care how sexually attracted to Hickman you may be, but "Spiderman is a hero because he's... just le good!" is a laughable alternative to the norm.

>needs to be protected from every hardship in the universe
No one ever said that was the case. People are rightly pointing out that a young man who gets arrogant from his powers needs a kick in the ass that a fully matured man would not. It's a difference of wisdom and experience.

And if this Peter isn't as sticktuitive and self destructive as main Peter, that's fine. We already KNOW how that story goes.

May died in the attack on New York, Ben is still alive and running the Bugle. Did you not read the thread at all?

Stop lying and just admit you posted before actually reading.

>Peter needs a big loss to be Spider-Man
>May just died
>NO THAT DOESN'T COUNT BECAUSE COMPANY POLITICS

Are you kidding?

Unless it's a fakeout and that's Jonah, Ben, or Robbie in the goblin outfit is already doing the whole 'extrajudicial murder of people who annoy me.' Norman would be proud.

>the Normanchads have won... >we are getting cucked in ASM and in HickULT
Sins Past is forever non-canon however that's where you lose.

Norman was never a hero in fact he is back to being a villain real soon there is that "Return of the Goblin" which will kick off in ASM# 50 coming up. Oh yes there will be blood and death and who knows maybe the Green Goblin will do Peter a favour and kill a cetain redhead girl and her boyfriend Paul in this story.

And norman osborn will soon dead for good otherwise why would they call the story "Return of the Goblin" with him starring in it. Think this bait? I suggest you think again.

616 Gwen is dead, you fricking necrophiliac.

You sick frick. You horrible shit. Why would based Norman waste time with a corpse when there's fresh Gwenussy for the taking? He's not Miles Warren, you creep. There's a better replacement already.

>Mfw Spider-Gwen steals away even Miles Warren's obsession with 616 Gwen.

Can't wait to give that a read! I'm sure Zeb Wells and Nick Lowe will be able to handle these things tastefully :^)

>616 Gwen is going to end up raped by Norman Osborn and Miles Warren instead of Spider-Gwen.

Okay, weird. But you're the Gwenschizo. You know best.

But the thought *does* get your dick hard, right?

I want Wells and Lowe and every BNDhomosexual off ASM, because I know they won't do SNIFF 2: ELECTRIC BOOGALOO any justice and will just have Spider-Gwen be a #girlboss standing in the background instead of getting sexually harassed into being Norman's new waifu

He is gonna henshin?

tbh just leave it without any explanation. Like remove the dialogue and be confident in your art.

That's more of a Zeb Wells move than a Johnathan Hickman move.

And that's it folks. If you enjoyed it remember to show it and support your local comic shop tomorrow.

Just report him for off topic

>I wonder if Peter will scout for more people to be potential Spider men
There is definitly something in that department, with the Symbiote, Miguel, Ben variants.
As for his love of science, that depend if Hickman decide to make them organic or not. Tbh, Peter loving science is more of a consequence of Stan Lee's love for science hero more than anything.

No. 616 Peter gave up a perfect life to become Spider-Man again in the recent Slott series
Also 616 Peter changed Wanda's new reality where he had a perfect life to return to the real world
Peter does this a lot.

This seems like a guy who has suddenly been given great power, but has yet to learn that with great power must also come great responsibility.

So the variant cover is a tease of him getting the powers Amazing, Symbiote, 2099 and Clone?

Did you not read Ultimate Invasion?

Teen Tony was around in comics for a while, it's just nobody remembers him.

This is seriously ham handed.

what the frick even is that armor?

Cuties

Make it happen is gonna be the new with great powers?

That's my point, having a big evil guy prevent Peter from becoming Spidey means that Peter can't make his big mistake that drives him forward. There's always an underlying guilt to Spider-Man "I should have done more, I should have been more" He carries the whole weight of the world upon his shoulders. Making his drive to do good be for a simple enjoyment of righteousness and a wish to become more than himself flattens the character to be less complex than the original made in the 60s.

this is a "completely" new take on peter parker that's under no obligation to have the same motivation as the original peter - it's not even a what if, so there's no obligation to 616 peter whatsoever

it's clear from the new uncle ben motivational speech and the overall thrust of the issue that the exploration wants to do here is a peter parker who willingly takes the responsibility of being spider-man without any other motivation - yes, there's the little bit of doubt from stark saying "you were supposed to be", but it didn't happen and peter made the choice because he felt like he was meant to do more

instead of a guilt ridden spider-man, this universe has a superman style spider-man where he gets powers and decides to be a superhero because it's the right thing to do. that's definitely a new and interesting take on peter parker's spider-man, especially if they manage to avoid killing any of his loved ones and really commit to it

He did lose someone though. Aunt May died, and the ones responsible for it are out there.

But people dying because he's Spider-man is fun!

Understandable but you must admit that being given the powers and being a straight forward from the book Spider-Man who doesn't hate himself is uhhh how do you say it. The origin is less dynamic than Lee and Dikto's with his baptism into Spider-Man feeling uhhh unearned I suppose? Tony literally gives him his powers on a silver platter and he immediately hops into his webs ready to stop the Goblin and Kingpin. And while yes this is an alt continuity this is a severe and fundamental change to the character by his motivations. Essentially it be like making it so Batman's parents were never shot in crime alley but he becomes Batman anyway because the Legion of Superheroes give him his cape and cowl. It's uh different but I don't think it's for the better

And I though Across the Spider-verse didn't have a point.
TRAMY

It does have a point. I just hate how they turned Miguel into a stand in for fans who hate Miles while also changing him to the point hes practically an OC wearing a Spider-Man 2099 costume, altering Ben Riley's characterization, and implying that Peter Parker would ever think Uncle Ben's death is a good thing and Miles "should let his dad die okay :)" that while might work in the moment it feels incredibly distasteful to anybody who's a fan of Ben, Miguel or Peter.

You misunderstand, Peter never goes through any hardship to become Spider-Man. He had to watch Ben die to fully grasp with great power comes great responsibility. In this continuity is portrayed more like starting a new life, moving to a new state, taking a new job. The peril of the unknown. As you said, it's closer to Superman than Spider-Man at this point. It's not so much as change le bad but more this isn't Spidey, every frickinnng adaption of the character grasps the crux of the character is the same even if the circumstances are different. Its more uh, this Spidey has more in common with Miles or Mayday tbh.

Lmao, midlife crisisman.

Nah, Peter here is more like Terry McGinnis.

I'd say Miguel or Mayday is closer to Terry. Superman is the most apt. The desire to live a normal life vs the incredible power he has been in trusted with

it's the first issue senpai, give it a few issues for one the Kingpin's goons to kill off Ben

>Peter never goes through any hardship to become Spider-Man. He had to watch Ben die to fully grasp with great power comes great responsibility
We're still very early on but even then Peter as a teenager is not the same as he is as an adult. Teenage Peter was in a very "frick you, got mine" state of mind which is why he had to learn that lesson, but here Peter has a wife and kids, and although Aunt May is dead it had nothing to do with him. He's mellowed out and responsible, so unless the first thing he does as Spider-Man is irresponsible and gets someone killed he may not need to learn this lesson.
It's a different dynamic that I'm interested to see explored. You are right that it is similar to Mayday in the sense that Peter's responsibility comes from being raised correctly as opposed to having some terrible thing happen to him though

Back when Aaron was good

He never was

Miguel isnt loved because he isnt brown enough. I dont get dragging him in the mud just to prop up Miles at all. The good thing to come out of spider verse was Miguel getting more mini series'. The true successor of Pete, in brains and brawn. Miles has his webs made by chinese labor like a loser.

I do think it's funny that the Miguelsimps that were created by the movie have slowly started to turn against the movie once they realized the comic version of Miggy is much better and how butchered he was by the ATSV writers. It's not so widespread yet and some still are coping by saying the second half will fix him, but it is an interesting development.

It also had the hidden layer of people realizing, but not admitting, that comic Miguel>comic Miles

I was interested in Miguel since I played Edge of Time, and ATSV inspired me to read the original 2099 run.

Yeah the movie's fricking trash lmao

Batman can’t be Batman without dead parents!

Not him but having somebody purposefully create Spider-Man misses the point that Peter Parker was given an opportunity and for a while squandered it for money and fame only to realize he should have been fighting for something else. It was random chance that gave Peter Parker powers but Spider-Man himself was born out of a single mistake and a lifetime trying to redefine himself into somebody he should have been. In this somebody telling him what he could have been loses the power of Peter figuring out his mistake on his own while rendering him entirely blameless instead of giving him direction. A slight edit to the story could have been that Peter had the spider bite all along but hid it for fear of his family and the Maker coming for them. He believes himself responsible for May's death as he had the power to save people from the Cabal satellite but refuses to act due to his worry that the NGO would kill him and his family. No Stark, no nothing happens. Peter creates his red and blues (possibly with help from Mary Jane) and decides his inaction is the wrong choice and swings out to stop a mugging or the Kingpin or whatever. Putting half the onus on Stark renders Parker a lesser character as he needs to be entirely in control of his choice to become Spider-Man. I still have high hopes for this series but they need to understand this detail of Peter needing to be in control of himself if nothing else.

Understandable but you must admit that being given the powers and being a straight forward from the book Spider-Man who doesn't hate himself is uhhh how do you say it. The origin is less dynamic than Lee and Dikto's with his baptism into Spider-Man feeling uhhh unearned I suppose? Tony literally gives him his powers on a silver platter and he immediately hops into his webs ready to stop the Goblin and Kingpin. And while yes this is an alt continuity this is a severe and fundamental change to the character by his motivations. Essentially it be like making it so Batman's parents were never shot in crime alley but he becomes Batman anyway because the Legion of Superheroes give him his cape and cowl. It's uh different but I don't think it's for the better
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It does have a point. I just hate how they turned Miguel into a stand in for fans who hate Miles while also changing him to the point hes practically an OC wearing a Spider-Man 2099 costume, altering Ben Riley's characterization, and implying that Peter Parker would ever think Uncle Ben's death is a good thing and Miles "should let his dad die okay :)" that while might work in the moment it feels incredibly distasteful to anybody who's a fan of Ben, Miguel or Peter.

Frick off Slott, you'll never be Hickman.

I agree, Gwenschizo. We didn't have Peter and MJ together for the last 17 years, and I for one am tired of 'will-they or won't-they' incessantly.

I'm glad Hickman made the bold choice and tossed out One More Day as if it were rancid shit-water. Sure, it's getting you to seethe and constantly melt down, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make in exchange for a better book.

Doesn't matter. He can't make it worse than Wells or Slott.

hahaha, do we want to pretend how?

What's he even going to do? Bring Paul into Ultimate? Why would he even do that? He's Zeb's self-insert, not Hickman's. Is he going to have Peter turn into a spider monster and eat his son? Is he going to introduce Venom as a wise-cracking comedy relief moron? Is he going to skip Clone Saga entirely and just introduce Ben Reilly as Chasm?

Zeb's a real tough act to follow, anon. Hickman can't out-Zeb him, even if he's inclined to. Wells set out to deliberately make the worst book possible, with the goal of pissing people off. Hickman isn't going into this with deliberate malice and forethought in mind. It's hopeless. There's no topping Zeb Wells right now, even Clone Saga, Spider-Verse, and Brand New Day weren't as bad as Zeb's run. We've hit a new low.

I know but I just don’t want people to think I’m him, I hate him in the majority of threads. I dislike him thinking me being fine with gwen being dead means I dislike her as a character or plot point.

I mean, didn't Gwen originally die because of shiphomosexualry?

Clark's had one of the most popular comic love triangles out there anon...and lana was his first. Lois is just the cemented one, much like MJ

No? Im saying the opposite, that lois got cemented by time like MJ, at some point you cant rally change it.

Ah true.

We've had some aus were they are each with other people. Peter has like three with gwen, one with betty, one with sable. Clark had one with maxima, lana and a few with diana.

It's possible it's Reed, but I kind of twigged on to the same thing that anon did. We never saw Doom!Reed unmasked, and I thought that was an unusual and suspicious choice. Also his eye color apparently changes from gray to blue between Ultimate Invasion and Ultimate Universe, which I found interesting.

you seem like you're kind of an insufferable prick if you're this hung up on something like this

Unique? It makes zero sense & for a dumb origin story. Anything but some hologram mansplaining stuff & giving you the 'magic object' without any struggle to get the 'excalibur' or a bite that could be a product of an accident/fate (via Straczynski's run) would've been preferable.

Just for the sake of it, let's say this new Pete breaks into Kingpin's biolab, doing undercover investigation for the Bugle after he fricks over Ben & Jonah, gets spotted by the guards, you get a chase, some blood being lost & involve a container with a genetically-modified spider. At least that makes some sort of logical narrative sense & has actual stakes in it (i.e. will he get killed as a journalist for exposing the truth).

Plus, are people like Stark or Doom!Reed really going to give the slightest shit about contriving a 1:1 repeat of what Peter's origins are supposed to be? How does that help them? How does that benefit anybody instead of becoming a massive waste of time?

I think that ship has done sailed man. They've had plenty of hints about it and never followed though. I don't see a permanent relationship happening anytime soon in the 616.

Lowe isn't making that call or nixing it, he's just the man that gets the blame. That call is being made higher than him.

Yeah, because the guys in charge are still trying to make BND a thing long after it’s clear it’s a narrative dead end.

Whether they like it or not, MJ is still THE love interest for Peter and vice versa. Nothing will change that, not even the Paul Saga.
USM just hurts their case even more.

>implying X-Men hasn't been ruined just as long as Spider-Man has, if not longer

I know, but he's just one more of Marvel's BNDhomosexual zeitgeist.

> We just had that two years ago anon. And that lasted 3 years.

4 years if you include Beyond. Meaning MJ is STILL his biggest and longest lasting love interest even if you only count the post-OMD continuity. Absolutely no reason a writer without a stick up his ass can’t bring PeterMJ back.

I bet Superman threads don't have to deal with mentally ill schizophrenics who are hellbent on promoting Lana Lang as the canon love interest. But you never know.

Superman threads are just filled with gay jon shit or the one russian rape panel.

True

Actually OMD/BND started out as a Superman story..

Well didio also left, tho unlike quesada no one liked him that much.

You're not wrong, but id also say that dc was less homogenous with these pushes.

And to be fair, its not as if paul will stay past this run in any way, the thing they're doing is pretty obvious just drawn out.

No, you are tripping. I know GREATNESS when I see it: Busiek & Stern are true GOATS when it comes to making the Avengers amazing. Hickmann is a boring, pretentious, self-masturbatory hack, plain & simple. Only deals in stupid schemes & plans but cannot construct a proper house. Frick revisionism!